Fw: vaccine injury conference

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately I have not seen it, but will forward to my list/s.

Kathy

vaccine injury conference

>Kathy, did you see this one? It's next weekend, unfortunately. Debbie R

>

>National Vaccine Information Center: Top Scientists Will Highlight Vaccine

>Risks, Present New Research, and Question Vaccine Policies at Conference

>

>WASHINGTON, Aug. 30 /PRNewswire/ -- At the Second International Public

>Conference on Vaccination to be held September 8-10, 2000 at the Sheraton

>National Hotel, Arlington, Virginia (near Washington, D.C.'s Reagan

National

>Airport), scientists and physicians from leading universities, hospitals

and

>organizations in the U.S., Canada and Great Britain will challenge the

>quality and quantity of scientific research on vaccine adverse events and

>will question the actions of pharmaceutical companies marketing vaccines

and

>federal health agencies making vaccine policy. The conference is being

>sponsored by the National Vaccine Information Center, a non-profit,

>educational organization founded in 1982.

>

>Prominent pediatric neurologists, microbiologists, molecular and cell

>biologists, epidemiologists, gastroenterologists, immunologists, and

>pediatricians will present new research into the biological mechanisms of

>vaccine injury and death and the relationship of vaccines to chronic

illness

>such as learning disabilities, ADHD, autism, mental retardation, epilepsy,

>arthritis, asthma and diabetes. Clinicians will discuss innovative

therapies

>to treat the vaccine injured and legal experts will discuss vaccine

>licensing

>and safety standards, product liability, conflict of interest and informed

>consent issues concerning vaccines for DPT, MMR, hepatitis B, HIB, polio,

>Lyme disease, pneumococcal disease, and anthrax.

>

>Among the 30 speakers presenting at the three-day conference are Bonnie

>Dunbar, Ph.D., Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology, Baylor College of

>Medicine; Kennedy, Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology and Immunology,

>University of Oklahoma; Menkes, M.D., Professor Emeritus of Neurology

>and Pediatrics, UCLA; Megson, M.D., Clinical Professor of Pediatrics,

>Medical College of Virginia; Candace Pert, Ph.D., Research Professor,

>town University; Schell, Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology and

>Immunology, University of Wisconsin; Vijendra Singh, Ph.D., Research

>Professor of Immunology, Utah State University; Walter Spitzer, M.D.,

>M.P.H.,

>Professor Emeritus of Epidemiology, McGill University, Montreal; and

>Wakefield, M.D., Royal Free Hospital School of Medicine, London.

>

>Congressman Dan Burton, Chairman of the House Government Reform Committee

>will be the dinner speaker on Saturday night. On Friday night, a special

>benefit dinner to launch the Children's Fund for Hope and Healing will

raise

>funds for scientific research into the causes and cures for vaccine-induced

>neuroimmune dysfunction.

>

>For a complete agenda and to register on-line, go to www.909shot.com.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately I have not seen it, but will forward to my list/s.

Kathy

vaccine injury conference

>Kathy, did you see this one? It's next weekend, unfortunately. Debbie R

>

>National Vaccine Information Center: Top Scientists Will Highlight Vaccine

>Risks, Present New Research, and Question Vaccine Policies at Conference

>

>WASHINGTON, Aug. 30 /PRNewswire/ -- At the Second International Public

>Conference on Vaccination to be held September 8-10, 2000 at the Sheraton

>National Hotel, Arlington, Virginia (near Washington, D.C.'s Reagan

National

>Airport), scientists and physicians from leading universities, hospitals

and

>organizations in the U.S., Canada and Great Britain will challenge the

>quality and quantity of scientific research on vaccine adverse events and

>will question the actions of pharmaceutical companies marketing vaccines

and

>federal health agencies making vaccine policy. The conference is being

>sponsored by the National Vaccine Information Center, a non-profit,

>educational organization founded in 1982.

>

>Prominent pediatric neurologists, microbiologists, molecular and cell

>biologists, epidemiologists, gastroenterologists, immunologists, and

>pediatricians will present new research into the biological mechanisms of

>vaccine injury and death and the relationship of vaccines to chronic

illness

>such as learning disabilities, ADHD, autism, mental retardation, epilepsy,

>arthritis, asthma and diabetes. Clinicians will discuss innovative

therapies

>to treat the vaccine injured and legal experts will discuss vaccine

>licensing

>and safety standards, product liability, conflict of interest and informed

>consent issues concerning vaccines for DPT, MMR, hepatitis B, HIB, polio,

>Lyme disease, pneumococcal disease, and anthrax.

>

>Among the 30 speakers presenting at the three-day conference are Bonnie

>Dunbar, Ph.D., Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology, Baylor College of

>Medicine; Kennedy, Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology and Immunology,

>University of Oklahoma; Menkes, M.D., Professor Emeritus of Neurology

>and Pediatrics, UCLA; Megson, M.D., Clinical Professor of Pediatrics,

>Medical College of Virginia; Candace Pert, Ph.D., Research Professor,

>town University; Schell, Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology and

>Immunology, University of Wisconsin; Vijendra Singh, Ph.D., Research

>Professor of Immunology, Utah State University; Walter Spitzer, M.D.,

>M.P.H.,

>Professor Emeritus of Epidemiology, McGill University, Montreal; and

>Wakefield, M.D., Royal Free Hospital School of Medicine, London.

>

>Congressman Dan Burton, Chairman of the House Government Reform Committee

>will be the dinner speaker on Saturday night. On Friday night, a special

>benefit dinner to launch the Children's Fund for Hope and Healing will

raise

>funds for scientific research into the causes and cures for vaccine-induced

>neuroimmune dysfunction.

>

>For a complete agenda and to register on-line, go to www.909shot.com.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kathy (or anyone who may know),

Every year my family tries to pressure me to get a flu vaccination. I have

had the flu twice in my life and it was pretty bad, but no seizure activity,

luckily. Is getting a flu vaccination safe if you have epilepsy? Has anyone

experienced problems after the vaccination? I am just curious.

Thanks,

Tricia

vaccine injury conference

>

>

>>Kathy, did you see this one? It's next weekend, unfortunately. Debbie R

>>

>>National Vaccine Information Center: Top Scientists Will Highlight Vaccine

>>Risks, Present New Research, and Question Vaccine Policies at Conference

>>

>>WASHINGTON, Aug. 30 /PRNewswire/ -- At the Second International Public

>>Conference on Vaccination to be held September 8-10, 2000 at the Sheraton

>>National Hotel, Arlington, Virginia (near Washington, D.C.'s Reagan

>National

>>Airport), scientists and physicians from leading universities, hospitals

>and

>>organizations in the U.S., Canada and Great Britain will challenge the

>>quality and quantity of scientific research on vaccine adverse events and

>>will question the actions of pharmaceutical companies marketing vaccines

>and

>>federal health agencies making vaccine policy. The conference is being

>>sponsored by the National Vaccine Information Center, a non-profit,

>>educational organization founded in 1982.

>>

>>Prominent pediatric neurologists, microbiologists, molecular and cell

>>biologists, epidemiologists, gastroenterologists, immunologists, and

>>pediatricians will present new research into the biological mechanisms of

>>vaccine injury and death and the relationship of vaccines to chronic

>illness

>>such as learning disabilities, ADHD, autism, mental retardation, epilepsy,

>>arthritis, asthma and diabetes. Clinicians will discuss innovative

>therapies

>>to treat the vaccine injured and legal experts will discuss vaccine

>>licensing

>>and safety standards, product liability, conflict of interest and informed

>>consent issues concerning vaccines for DPT, MMR, hepatitis B, HIB, polio,

>>Lyme disease, pneumococcal disease, and anthrax.

>>

>>Among the 30 speakers presenting at the three-day conference are Bonnie

>>Dunbar, Ph.D., Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology, Baylor College of

>>Medicine; Kennedy, Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology and Immunology,

>>University of Oklahoma; Menkes, M.D., Professor Emeritus of Neurology

>>and Pediatrics, UCLA; Megson, M.D., Clinical Professor of Pediatrics,

>>Medical College of Virginia; Candace Pert, Ph.D., Research Professor,

>>town University; Schell, Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology and

>>Immunology, University of Wisconsin; Vijendra Singh, Ph.D., Research

>>Professor of Immunology, Utah State University; Walter Spitzer, M.D.,

>>M.P.H.,

>>Professor Emeritus of Epidemiology, McGill University, Montreal; and

>>Wakefield, M.D., Royal Free Hospital School of Medicine, London.

>>

>>Congressman Dan Burton, Chairman of the House Government Reform Committee

>>will be the dinner speaker on Saturday night. On Friday night, a special

>>benefit dinner to launch the Children's Fund for Hope and Healing will

>raise

>>funds for scientific research into the causes and cures for

vaccine-induced

>>neuroimmune dysfunction.

>>

>>For a complete agenda and to register on-line, go to www.909shot.com.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>_

>

>

[Guest guest]

Flu vaccines contain thimersol, or ethymercury, if it were me, I would NEVER

give it to someone with a known epilepsy disorder. You can have insidious

things happen after this, immune function goes down so you get the flu

anyways, increase in seizures, cold hands and feet, headaches, candida

overgrowths, numbing sensations, no sense of wellbeing (hard to describe),

depression, anxiety, stupor, tingling in hands and tongue, things like that.

I recommend personally no one on this list to get it, that based upon the

tables I have seen and people who seem to already have neurotransmitter

problems.

Kathy

vaccine injury conference

>>

>>

>>>Kathy, did you see this one? It's next weekend, unfortunately. Debbie R

>>>

>>>National Vaccine Information Center: Top Scientists Will Highlight

Vaccine

>>>Risks, Present New Research, and Question Vaccine Policies at Conference

>>>

>>>WASHINGTON, Aug. 30 /PRNewswire/ -- At the Second International Public

>>>Conference on Vaccination to be held September 8-10, 2000 at the Sheraton

>>>National Hotel, Arlington, Virginia (near Washington, D.C.'s Reagan

>>National

>>>Airport), scientists and physicians from leading universities, hospitals

>>and

>>>organizations in the U.S., Canada and Great Britain will challenge the

>>>quality and quantity of scientific research on vaccine adverse events and

>>>will question the actions of pharmaceutical companies marketing vaccines

>>and

>>>federal health agencies making vaccine policy. The conference is being

>>>sponsored by the National Vaccine Information Center, a non-profit,

>>>educational organization founded in 1982.

>>>

>>>Prominent pediatric neurologists, microbiologists, molecular and cell

>>>biologists, epidemiologists, gastroenterologists, immunologists, and

>>>pediatricians will present new research into the biological mechanisms of

>>>vaccine injury and death and the relationship of vaccines to chronic

>>illness

>>>such as learning disabilities, ADHD, autism, mental retardation,

epilepsy,

>>>arthritis, asthma and diabetes. Clinicians will discuss innovative

>>therapies

>>>to treat the vaccine injured and legal experts will discuss vaccine

>>>licensing

>>>and safety standards, product liability, conflict of interest and

informed

>>>consent issues concerning vaccines for DPT, MMR, hepatitis B, HIB, polio,

>>>Lyme disease, pneumococcal disease, and anthrax.

>>>

>>>Among the 30 speakers presenting at the three-day conference are Bonnie

>>>Dunbar, Ph.D., Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology, Baylor College of

>>>Medicine; Kennedy, Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology and

Immunology,

>>>University of Oklahoma; Menkes, M.D., Professor Emeritus of

Neurology

>>>and Pediatrics, UCLA; Megson, M.D., Clinical Professor of

Pediatrics,

>>>Medical College of Virginia; Candace Pert, Ph.D., Research Professor,

>>>town University; Schell, Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology

and

>>>Immunology, University of Wisconsin; Vijendra Singh, Ph.D., Research

>>>Professor of Immunology, Utah State University; Walter Spitzer, M.D.,

>>>M.P.H.,

>>>Professor Emeritus of Epidemiology, McGill University, Montreal; and

>

>>>Wakefield, M.D., Royal Free Hospital School of Medicine, London.

>>>

>>>Congressman Dan Burton, Chairman of the House Government Reform Committee

>>>will be the dinner speaker on Saturday night. On Friday night, a special

>>>benefit dinner to launch the Children's Fund for Hope and Healing will

>>raise

>>>funds for scientific research into the causes and cures for

>vaccine-induced

>>>neuroimmune dysfunction.

>>>

>>>For a complete agenda and to register on-line, go to www.909shot.com.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>_

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kathy,

I can't thank you enough for that valuable information!! I was always afraid

of getting the flu anyway which is why I have never had the vaccine. I

thought I knew so much about epilepsy, but being a part of this group has

taught me so much.

Thanks!!!

Tricia

vaccine injury conference

>>>

>>>

>>>>Kathy, did you see this one? It's next weekend, unfortunately. Debbie

R

>>>>

>>>>National Vaccine Information Center: Top Scientists Will Highlight

>Vaccine

>>>>Risks, Present New Research, and Question Vaccine Policies at Conference

>>>>

>>>>WASHINGTON, Aug. 30 /PRNewswire/ -- At the Second International Public

>>>>Conference on Vaccination to be held September 8-10, 2000 at the

Sheraton

>>>>National Hotel, Arlington, Virginia (near Washington, D.C.'s Reagan

>>>National

>>>>Airport), scientists and physicians from leading universities, hospitals

>>>and

>>>>organizations in the U.S., Canada and Great Britain will challenge the

>>>>quality and quantity of scientific research on vaccine adverse events

and

>>>>will question the actions of pharmaceutical companies marketing vaccines

>>>and

>>>>federal health agencies making vaccine policy. The conference is being

>>>>sponsored by the National Vaccine Information Center, a non-profit,

>>>>educational organization founded in 1982.

>>>>

>>>>Prominent pediatric neurologists, microbiologists, molecular and cell

>>>>biologists, epidemiologists, gastroenterologists, immunologists, and

>>>>pediatricians will present new research into the biological mechanisms

of

>>>>vaccine injury and death and the relationship of vaccines to chronic

>>>illness

>>>>such as learning disabilities, ADHD, autism, mental retardation,

>epilepsy,

>>>>arthritis, asthma and diabetes. Clinicians will discuss innovative

>>>therapies

>>>>to treat the vaccine injured and legal experts will discuss vaccine

>>>>licensing

>>>>and safety standards, product liability, conflict of interest and

>informed

>>>>consent issues concerning vaccines for DPT, MMR, hepatitis B, HIB,

polio,

>>>>Lyme disease, pneumococcal disease, and anthrax.

>>>>

>>>>Among the 30 speakers presenting at the three-day conference are Bonnie

>>>>Dunbar, Ph.D., Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology, Baylor College

of

>>>>Medicine; Kennedy, Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology and

>Immunology,

>>>>University of Oklahoma; Menkes, M.D., Professor Emeritus of

>Neurology

>>>>and Pediatrics, UCLA; Megson, M.D., Clinical Professor of

>Pediatrics,

>>>>Medical College of Virginia; Candace Pert, Ph.D., Research Professor,

>>>>town University; Schell, Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology

>and

>>>>Immunology, University of Wisconsin; Vijendra Singh, Ph.D., Research

>>>>Professor of Immunology, Utah State University; Walter Spitzer, M.D.,

>>>>M.P.H.,

>>>>Professor Emeritus of Epidemiology, McGill University, Montreal; and

>>

>>>>Wakefield, M.D., Royal Free Hospital School of Medicine, London.

>>>>

>>>>Congressman Dan Burton, Chairman of the House Government Reform

Committee

>>>>will be the dinner speaker on Saturday night. On Friday night, a special

>>>>benefit dinner to launch the Children's Fund for Hope and Healing will

>>>raise

>>>>funds for scientific research into the causes and cures for

>>vaccine-induced

>>>>neuroimmune dysfunction.

>>>>

>>>>For a complete agenda and to register on-line, go to www.909shot.com.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>_

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

conflict. figures doesnt it, seeing as its me.

i am told on no uncertain terms to get a flu shot

every year because i'm already immune compromised.

but because of a seizure disorder its contraindicated.

oops.

one big walking error thats me.

=====

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Now I'll follow my own way and I'll live on to another damn day.

Freedom carries sacrifice. Remember when this was my life? "

Three Doors Down

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I have started getting the vaccination every year because I get seizures

around flu-like and bronchitis-like illnesses.

Jeanne

vaccine injury conference

>>

>>

>>>Kathy, did you see this one? It's next weekend, unfortunately. Debbie R

>>>

>>>National Vaccine Information Center: Top Scientists Will Highlight

Vaccine

>>>Risks, Present New Research, and Question Vaccine Policies at Conference

>>>

>>>WASHINGTON, Aug. 30 /PRNewswire/ -- At the Second International Public

>>>Conference on Vaccination to be held September 8-10, 2000 at the Sheraton

>>>National Hotel, Arlington, Virginia (near Washington, D.C.'s Reagan

>>National

>>>Airport), scientists and physicians from leading universities, hospitals

>>and

>>>organizations in the U.S., Canada and Great Britain will challenge the

>>>quality and quantity of scientific research on vaccine adverse events and

>>>will question the actions of pharmaceutical companies marketing vaccines

>>and

>>>federal health agencies making vaccine policy. The conference is being

>>>sponsored by the National Vaccine Information Center, a non-profit,

>>>educational organization founded in 1982.

>>>

>>>Prominent pediatric neurologists, microbiologists, molecular and cell

>>>biologists, epidemiologists, gastroenterologists, immunologists, and

>>>pediatricians will present new research into the biological mechanisms of

>>>vaccine injury and death and the relationship of vaccines to chronic

>>illness

>>>such as learning disabilities, ADHD, autism, mental retardation,

epilepsy,

>>>arthritis, asthma and diabetes. Clinicians will discuss innovative

>>therapies

>>>to treat the vaccine injured and legal experts will discuss vaccine

>>>licensing

>>>and safety standards, product liability, conflict of interest and

informed

>>>consent issues concerning vaccines for DPT, MMR, hepatitis B, HIB, polio,

>>>Lyme disease, pneumococcal disease, and anthrax.

>>>

>>>Among the 30 speakers presenting at the three-day conference are Bonnie

>>>Dunbar, Ph.D., Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology, Baylor College of

>>>Medicine; Kennedy, Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology and

Immunology,

>>>University of Oklahoma; Menkes, M.D., Professor Emeritus of

Neurology

>>>and Pediatrics, UCLA; Megson, M.D., Clinical Professor of

Pediatrics,

>>>Medical College of Virginia; Candace Pert, Ph.D., Research Professor,

>>>town University; Schell, Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology

and

>>>Immunology, University of Wisconsin; Vijendra Singh, Ph.D., Research

>>>Professor of Immunology, Utah State University; Walter Spitzer, M.D.,

>>>M.P.H.,

>>>Professor Emeritus of Epidemiology, McGill University, Montreal; and

>

>>>Wakefield, M.D., Royal Free Hospital School of Medicine, London.

>>>

>>>Congressman Dan Burton, Chairman of the House Government Reform Committee

>>>will be the dinner speaker on Saturday night. On Friday night, a special

>>>benefit dinner to launch the Children's Fund for Hope and Healing will

>>raise

>>>funds for scientific research into the causes and cures for

>vaccine-induced

>>>neuroimmune dysfunction.

>>>

>>>For a complete agenda and to register on-line, go to www.909shot.com.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>_

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

It can also give you seizures per the shot! Thimersol is in all flu

vaccines (mercury). Mercury is an endotoxin.

Kathy

vaccine injury conference

>>>

>>>

>>>>Kathy, did you see this one? It's next weekend, unfortunately. Debbie

R

>>>>

>>>>National Vaccine Information Center: Top Scientists Will Highlight

>Vaccine

>>>>Risks, Present New Research, and Question Vaccine Policies at Conference

>>>>

>>>>WASHINGTON, Aug. 30 /PRNewswire/ -- At the Second International Public

>>>>Conference on Vaccination to be held September 8-10, 2000 at the

Sheraton

>>>>National Hotel, Arlington, Virginia (near Washington, D.C.'s Reagan

>>>National

>>>>Airport), scientists and physicians from leading universities, hospitals

>>>and

>>>>organizations in the U.S., Canada and Great Britain will challenge the

>>>>quality and quantity of scientific research on vaccine adverse events

and

>>>>will question the actions of pharmaceutical companies marketing vaccines

>>>and

>>>>federal health agencies making vaccine policy. The conference is being

>>>>sponsored by the National Vaccine Information Center, a non-profit,

>>>>educational organization founded in 1982.

>>>>

>>>>Prominent pediatric neurologists, microbiologists, molecular and cell

>>>>biologists, epidemiologists, gastroenterologists, immunologists, and

>>>>pediatricians will present new research into the biological mechanisms

of

>>>>vaccine injury and death and the relationship of vaccines to chronic

>>>illness

>>>>such as learning disabilities, ADHD, autism, mental retardation,

>epilepsy,

>>>>arthritis, asthma and diabetes. Clinicians will discuss innovative

>>>therapies

>>>>to treat the vaccine injured and legal experts will discuss vaccine

>>>>licensing

>>>>and safety standards, product liability, conflict of interest and

>informed

>>>>consent issues concerning vaccines for DPT, MMR, hepatitis B, HIB,

polio,

>>>>Lyme disease, pneumococcal disease, and anthrax.

>>>>

>>>>Among the 30 speakers presenting at the three-day conference are Bonnie

>>>>Dunbar, Ph.D., Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology, Baylor College

of

>>>>Medicine; Kennedy, Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology and

>Immunology,

>>>>University of Oklahoma; Menkes, M.D., Professor Emeritus of

>Neurology

>>>>and Pediatrics, UCLA; Megson, M.D., Clinical Professor of

>Pediatrics,

>>>>Medical College of Virginia; Candace Pert, Ph.D., Research Professor,

>>>>town University; Schell, Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology

>and

>>>>Immunology, University of Wisconsin; Vijendra Singh, Ph.D., Research

>>>>Professor of Immunology, Utah State University; Walter Spitzer, M.D.,

>>>>M.P.H.,

>>>>Professor Emeritus of Epidemiology, McGill University, Montreal; and

>>

>>>>Wakefield, M.D., Royal Free Hospital School of Medicine, London.

>>>>

>>>>Congressman Dan Burton, Chairman of the House Government Reform

Committee

>>>>will be the dinner speaker on Saturday night. On Friday night, a special

>>>>benefit dinner to launch the Children's Fund for Hope and Healing will

>>>raise

>>>>funds for scientific research into the causes and cures for

>>vaccine-induced

>>>>neuroimmune dysfunction.

>>>>

>>>>For a complete agenda and to register on-line, go to www.909shot.com.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>_

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

I guess I never thought much about it because my seizures were

so well controlled for the last 11 years. I even spent a year

and a half off medications...got pregnant...had my baby and

didn't have any problems until after she was born. I had a flu

shot during my pregnancy as recommended by my OBGYN and had no

problems with seizures, even though I was on no medication. But

of course, everone is different. I suppose I would also get the

big thumbs down from folks here when I mention that I have

chosen to vaccinate my daughter.

Jeanne

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> It can also give you seizures per the shot! Thimersol is in

all flu

> vaccines (mercury). Mercury is an endotoxin.

> Kathy

> vaccine injury conference

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>Kathy, did you see this one? It's next weekend,

unfortunately. Debbie

> R

> >>>>

> >>>>National Vaccine Information Center: Top Scientists Will

Highlight

> >Vaccine

> >>>>Risks, Present New Research, and Question Vaccine Policies

at Conference

> >>>>

> >>>>WASHINGTON, Aug. 30 /PRNewswire/ -- At the Second

International Public

> >>>>Conference on Vaccination to be held September 8-10, 2000

at the

> Sheraton

> >>>>National Hotel, Arlington, Virginia (near Washington,

D.C.'s Reagan

> >>>National

> >>>>Airport), scientists and physicians from leading

universities, hospitals

> >>>and

> >>>>organizations in the U.S., Canada and Great Britain will

challenge the

> >>>>quality and quantity of scientific research on vaccine

adverse events

> and

> >>>>will question the actions of pharmaceutical companies

marketing vaccines

> >>>and

> >>>>federal health agencies making vaccine policy. The

conference is being

> >>>>sponsored by the National Vaccine Information Center, a

non-profit,

> >>>>educational organization founded in 1982.

> >>>>

> >>>>Prominent pediatric neurologists, microbiologists,

molecular and cell

> >>>>biologists, epidemiologists, gastroenterologists,

immunologists, and

> >>>>pediatricians will present new research into the

biological mechanisms

> of

> >>>>vaccine injury and death and the relationship of vaccines

to chronic

> >>>illness

> >>>>such as learning disabilities, ADHD, autism, mental

retardation,

> >epilepsy,

> >>>>arthritis, asthma and diabetes. Clinicians will discuss

innovative

> >>>therapies

> >>>>to treat the vaccine injured and legal experts will

discuss vaccine

> >>>>licensing

> >>>>and safety standards, product liability, conflict of

interest and

> >informed

> >>>>consent issues concerning vaccines for DPT, MMR, hepatitis

B, HIB,

> polio,

> >>>>Lyme disease, pneumococcal disease, and anthrax.

> >>>>

> >>>>Among the 30 speakers presenting at the three-day

conference are Bonnie

> >>>>Dunbar, Ph.D., Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology,

Baylor College

> of

> >>>>Medicine; Kennedy, Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology

and

> >Immunology,

> >>>>University of Oklahoma; Menkes, M.D., Professor

Emeritus of

> >Neurology

> >>>>and Pediatrics, UCLA; Megson, M.D., Clinical

Professor of

> >Pediatrics,

> >>>>Medical College of Virginia; Candace Pert, Ph.D., Research

Professor,

> >>>>town University; Schell, Ph.D., Professor of

Microbiology

> >and

> >>>>Immunology, University of Wisconsin; Vijendra Singh,

Ph.D., Research

> >>>>Professor of Immunology, Utah State University; Walter

Spitzer, M.D.,

> >>>>M.P.H.,

> >>>>Professor Emeritus of Epidemiology, McGill University,

Montreal; and

> >>

> >>>>Wakefield, M.D., Royal Free Hospital School of Medicine,

London.

> >>>>

> >>>>Congressman Dan Burton, Chairman of the House Government

Reform

> Committee

> >>>>will be the dinner speaker on Saturday night. On Friday

night, a special

> >>>>benefit dinner to launch the Children's Fund for Hope and

Healing will

> >>>raise

> >>>>funds for scientific research into the causes and cures for

> >>vaccine-induced

> >>>>neuroimmune dysfunction.

> >>>>

> >>>>For a complete agenda and to register on-line, go to

www.909shot.com.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>_

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

I knew I'd get flack for vaccinating, but like you said, it IS

my choice. Of course, before you get completely excited and

upset with me because it's " never happened to me " and I don't

have any experience with it, you should really check into my

profession of choice.

Jeanne

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> The thought process is this...some can, some can't. And if

you can't, why?

> Some people are completely susceptible to mercury, aluminum,

aborted fetal

> tissues, animal viruses and stealths and immune comprimise

becuase of them

> and antibody production against tissues becuase of delayed

carcinogenic

> lipids. Becuase vaccines are proven to have caused my kids

and untold

> millions suffering. As they say, vaccines have saved million

of lives and

> prevented untold suffering that could have been caused by

polio,

> diphtheria, whooping cough (pertussis), measles and mumps.

While previous

> generations kept their children home during outbreaks of

common childhood

> illnesses, parents today have no such fears. >> (and as a

good friend

> stated below with additional comments)

>

> No - parents today have NEW fears - autism, learning

disabilities, diabetes,

> multiple sclerosis, SIDS, allergies, asthma, and a multitude

of baffling

> cancers and neurological disorders! Sure glad they banished

those scary

> measles from my life! I'd much rather have an AUTISTIC

KID!!! Idiots!!!

> (now my comment) And yes, childhood brain tumours are said to

be caused by

> the multiple carcinogens in vaccines, so I would venture to

guess, we are

> still not out of the woods, they are so called proported safe,

they are not

> proported to have long term safety studies EVER. (my friend

goes on to

> say...)

>

> I just love the way 'they' keep getting away with making these

groundless,

> and unsupported statements. It's like a mantra. They seem to

think if they

> keep saying it often enough we'll all believe it. We need to

go back to

> square one with these people and make them prove every bloody

one of these

> fantastic claims they make. I'm sick of the way they do this

'brainwashing

> by media'.

>

> " Repeat after me and you too will believe:

>

> Vaccines have saved million of lives and prevented untold

suffering

> NOT. (and my comment)...

> But if you choose to, this is your right to choose it, and I

will not

> question it, for me, I question anything coming from the AMA,

ADA and all

> bedfellows inbetween. Until it happens to you, you will never

know how it

> feels. I am glad you never had a problem, but I would

question whether or

> not some injury took place from them becuase of the seizures.

Of course, I

> may be totally whacko for saying so, but call me whacky.....

> Kathy

> vaccine injury conference

> >> >>>

> >> >>>

> >> >>>>Kathy, did you see this one? It's next weekend,

> >unfortunately. Debbie

> >> R

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>National Vaccine Information Center: Top Scientists Will

> >Highlight

> >> >Vaccine

> >> >>>>Risks, Present New Research, and Question Vaccine

Policies

> >at Conference

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>WASHINGTON, Aug. 30 /PRNewswire/ -- At the Second

> >International Public

> >> >>>>Conference on Vaccination to be held September 8-10,

2000

> >at the

> >> Sheraton

> >> >>>>National Hotel, Arlington, Virginia (near Washington,

> >D.C.'s Reagan

> >> >>>National

> >> >>>>Airport), scientists and physicians from leading

> >universities, hospitals

> >> >>>and

> >> >>>>organizations in the U.S., Canada and Great Britain will

> >challenge the

> >> >>>>quality and quantity of scientific research on vaccine

> >adverse events

> >> and

> >> >>>>will question the actions of pharmaceutical companies

> >marketing vaccines

> >> >>>and

> >> >>>>federal health agencies making vaccine policy. The

> >conference is being

> >> >>>>sponsored by the National Vaccine Information Center, a

> >non-profit,

> >> >>>>educational organization founded in 1982.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>Prominent pediatric neurologists, microbiologists,

> >molecular and cell

> >> >>>>biologists, epidemiologists, gastroenterologists,

> >immunologists, and

> >> >>>>pediatricians will present new research into the

> >biological mechanisms

> >> of

> >> >>>>vaccine injury and death and the relationship of

vaccines

> >to chronic

> >> >>>illness

> >> >>>>such as learning disabilities, ADHD, autism, mental

> >retardation,

> >> >epilepsy,

> >> >>>>arthritis, asthma and diabetes. Clinicians will discuss

> >innovative

> >> >>>therapies

> >> >>>>to treat the vaccine injured and legal experts will

> >discuss vaccine

> >> >>>>licensing

> >> >>>>and safety standards, product liability, conflict of

> >interest and

> >> >informed

> >> >>>>consent issues concerning vaccines for DPT, MMR,

hepatitis

> >B, HIB,

> >> polio,

> >> >>>>Lyme disease, pneumococcal disease, and anthrax.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>Among the 30 speakers presenting at the three-day

> >conference are Bonnie

> >> >>>>Dunbar, Ph.D., Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology,

> >Baylor College

> >> of

> >> >>>>Medicine; Kennedy, Ph.D., Professor of

Microbiology

> >and

> >> >Immunology,

> >> >>>>University of Oklahoma; Menkes, M.D., Professor

> >Emeritus of

> >> >Neurology

> >> >>>>and Pediatrics, UCLA; Megson, M.D., Clinical

> >Professor of

> >> >Pediatrics,

> >> >>>>Medical College of Virginia; Candace Pert, Ph.D.,

Research

> >Professor,

> >> >>>>town University; Schell, Ph.D., Professor

of

> >Microbiology

> >> >and

> >> >>>>Immunology, University of Wisconsin; Vijendra Singh,

> >Ph.D., Research

> >> >>>>Professor of Immunology, Utah State University; Walter

> >Spitzer, M.D.,

> >> >>>>M.P.H.,

> >> >>>>Professor Emeritus of Epidemiology, McGill University,

> >Montreal; and

> >> >>

> >> >>>>Wakefield, M.D., Royal Free Hospital School of Medicine,

> >London.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>Congressman Dan Burton, Chairman of the House Government

> >Reform

> >> Committee

> >> >>>>will be the dinner speaker on Saturday night. On Friday

> >night, a special

> >> >>>>benefit dinner to launch the Children's Fund for Hope

and

> >Healing will

> >> >>>raise

> >> >>>>funds for scientific research into the causes and cures

for

> >> >>vaccine-induced

> >> >>>>neuroimmune dysfunction.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>For a complete agenda and to register on-line, go to

> >www.909shot.com.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>

> >> >>>

> >> >>>_

> >> >>>

> >> >>>

[Guest guest]

The thought process is this...some can, some can't. And if you can't, why?

Some people are completely susceptible to mercury, aluminum, aborted fetal

tissues, animal viruses and stealths and immune comprimise becuase of them

and antibody production against tissues becuase of delayed carcinogenic

lipids. Becuase vaccines are proven to have caused my kids and untold

millions suffering. As they say, vaccines have saved million of lives and

prevented untold suffering that could have been caused by polio,

diphtheria, whooping cough (pertussis), measles and mumps. While previous

generations kept their children home during outbreaks of common childhood

illnesses, parents today have no such fears. >> (and as a good friend

stated below with additional comments)

No - parents today have NEW fears - autism, learning disabilities, diabetes,

multiple sclerosis, SIDS, allergies, asthma, and a multitude of baffling

cancers and neurological disorders! Sure glad they banished those scary

measles from my life! I'd much rather have an AUTISTIC KID!!! Idiots!!!

(now my comment) And yes, childhood brain tumours are said to be caused by

the multiple carcinogens in vaccines, so I would venture to guess, we are

still not out of the woods, they are so called proported safe, they are not

proported to have long term safety studies EVER. (my friend goes on to

say...)

I just love the way 'they' keep getting away with making these groundless,

and unsupported statements. It's like a mantra. They seem to think if they

keep saying it often enough we'll all believe it. We need to go back to

square one with these people and make them prove every bloody one of these

fantastic claims they make. I'm sick of the way they do this 'brainwashing

by media'.

" Repeat after me and you too will believe:

Vaccines have saved million of lives and prevented untold suffering

NOT. (and my comment)...

But if you choose to, this is your right to choose it, and I will not

question it, for me, I question anything coming from the AMA, ADA and all

bedfellows inbetween. Until it happens to you, you will never know how it

feels. I am glad you never had a problem, but I would question whether or

not some injury took place from them becuase of the seizures. Of course, I

may be totally whacko for saying so, but call me whacky.....

Kathy

vaccine injury conference

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>>Kathy, did you see this one? It's next weekend,

>unfortunately. Debbie

>> R

>> >>>>

>> >>>>National Vaccine Information Center: Top Scientists Will

>Highlight

>> >Vaccine

>> >>>>Risks, Present New Research, and Question Vaccine Policies

>at Conference

>> >>>>

>> >>>>WASHINGTON, Aug. 30 /PRNewswire/ -- At the Second

>International Public

>> >>>>Conference on Vaccination to be held September 8-10, 2000

>at the

>> Sheraton

>> >>>>National Hotel, Arlington, Virginia (near Washington,

>D.C.'s Reagan

>> >>>National

>> >>>>Airport), scientists and physicians from leading

>universities, hospitals

>> >>>and

>> >>>>organizations in the U.S., Canada and Great Britain will

>challenge the

>> >>>>quality and quantity of scientific research on vaccine

>adverse events

>> and

>> >>>>will question the actions of pharmaceutical companies

>marketing vaccines

>> >>>and

>> >>>>federal health agencies making vaccine policy. The

>conference is being

>> >>>>sponsored by the National Vaccine Information Center, a

>non-profit,

>> >>>>educational organization founded in 1982.

>> >>>>

>> >>>>Prominent pediatric neurologists, microbiologists,

>molecular and cell

>> >>>>biologists, epidemiologists, gastroenterologists,

>immunologists, and

>> >>>>pediatricians will present new research into the

>biological mechanisms

>> of

>> >>>>vaccine injury and death and the relationship of vaccines

>to chronic

>> >>>illness

>> >>>>such as learning disabilities, ADHD, autism, mental

>retardation,

>> >epilepsy,

>> >>>>arthritis, asthma and diabetes. Clinicians will discuss

>innovative

>> >>>therapies

>> >>>>to treat the vaccine injured and legal experts will

>discuss vaccine

>> >>>>licensing

>> >>>>and safety standards, product liability, conflict of

>interest and

>> >informed

>> >>>>consent issues concerning vaccines for DPT, MMR, hepatitis

>B, HIB,

>> polio,

>> >>>>Lyme disease, pneumococcal disease, and anthrax.

>> >>>>

>> >>>>Among the 30 speakers presenting at the three-day

>conference are Bonnie

>> >>>>Dunbar, Ph.D., Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology,

>Baylor College

>> of

>> >>>>Medicine; Kennedy, Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology

>and

>> >Immunology,

>> >>>>University of Oklahoma; Menkes, M.D., Professor

>Emeritus of

>> >Neurology

>> >>>>and Pediatrics, UCLA; Megson, M.D., Clinical

>Professor of

>> >Pediatrics,

>> >>>>Medical College of Virginia; Candace Pert, Ph.D., Research

>Professor,

>> >>>>town University; Schell, Ph.D., Professor of

>Microbiology

>> >and

>> >>>>Immunology, University of Wisconsin; Vijendra Singh,

>Ph.D., Research

>> >>>>Professor of Immunology, Utah State University; Walter

>Spitzer, M.D.,

>> >>>>M.P.H.,

>> >>>>Professor Emeritus of Epidemiology, McGill University,

>Montreal; and

>> >>

>> >>>>Wakefield, M.D., Royal Free Hospital School of Medicine,

>London.

>> >>>>

>> >>>>Congressman Dan Burton, Chairman of the House Government

>Reform

>> Committee

>> >>>>will be the dinner speaker on Saturday night. On Friday

>night, a special

>> >>>>benefit dinner to launch the Children's Fund for Hope and

>Healing will

>> >>>raise

>> >>>>funds for scientific research into the causes and cures for

>> >>vaccine-induced

>> >>>>neuroimmune dysfunction.

>> >>>>

>> >>>>For a complete agenda and to register on-line, go to

>www.909shot.com.

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>_

>> >>>

>> >>>

[Guest guest]

Oh pray tell, what is the profession? I will not bite We are entitled to

our opinions

Kathy

vaccine injury conference

>> >> >>>

>> >> >>>

>> >> >>>>Kathy, did you see this one? It's next weekend,

>> >unfortunately. Debbie

>> >> R

>> >> >>>>

>> >> >>>>National Vaccine Information Center: Top Scientists Will

>> >Highlight

>> >> >Vaccine

>> >> >>>>Risks, Present New Research, and Question Vaccine

>Policies

>> >at Conference

>> >> >>>>

>> >> >>>>WASHINGTON, Aug. 30 /PRNewswire/ -- At the Second

>> >International Public

>> >> >>>>Conference on Vaccination to be held September 8-10,

>2000

>> >at the

>> >> Sheraton

>> >> >>>>National Hotel, Arlington, Virginia (near Washington,

>> >D.C.'s Reagan

>> >> >>>National

>> >> >>>>Airport), scientists and physicians from leading

>> >universities, hospitals

>> >> >>>and

>> >> >>>>organizations in the U.S., Canada and Great Britain will

>> >challenge the

>> >> >>>>quality and quantity of scientific research on vaccine

>> >adverse events

>> >> and

>> >> >>>>will question the actions of pharmaceutical companies

>> >marketing vaccines

>> >> >>>and

>> >> >>>>federal health agencies making vaccine policy. The

>> >conference is being

>> >> >>>>sponsored by the National Vaccine Information Center, a

>> >non-profit,

>> >> >>>>educational organization founded in 1982.

>> >> >>>>

>> >> >>>>Prominent pediatric neurologists, microbiologists,

>> >molecular and cell

>> >> >>>>biologists, epidemiologists, gastroenterologists,

>> >immunologists, and

>> >> >>>>pediatricians will present new research into the

>> >biological mechanisms

>> >> of

>> >> >>>>vaccine injury and death and the relationship of

>vaccines

>> >to chronic

>> >> >>>illness

>> >> >>>>such as learning disabilities, ADHD, autism, mental

>> >retardation,

>> >> >epilepsy,

>> >> >>>>arthritis, asthma and diabetes. Clinicians will discuss

>> >innovative

>> >> >>>therapies

>> >> >>>>to treat the vaccine injured and legal experts will

>> >discuss vaccine

>> >> >>>>licensing

>> >> >>>>and safety standards, product liability, conflict of

>> >interest and

>> >> >informed

>> >> >>>>consent issues concerning vaccines for DPT, MMR,

>hepatitis

>> >B, HIB,

>> >> polio,

>> >> >>>>Lyme disease, pneumococcal disease, and anthrax.

>> >> >>>>

>> >> >>>>Among the 30 speakers presenting at the three-day

>> >conference are Bonnie

>> >> >>>>Dunbar, Ph.D., Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology,

>> >Baylor College

>> >> of

>> >> >>>>Medicine; Kennedy, Ph.D., Professor of

>Microbiology

>> >and

>> >> >Immunology,

>> >> >>>>University of Oklahoma; Menkes, M.D., Professor

>> >Emeritus of

>> >> >Neurology

>> >> >>>>and Pediatrics, UCLA; Megson, M.D., Clinical

>> >Professor of

>> >> >Pediatrics,

>> >> >>>>Medical College of Virginia; Candace Pert, Ph.D.,

>Research

>> >Professor,

>> >> >>>>town University; Schell, Ph.D., Professor

>of

>> >Microbiology

>> >> >and

>> >> >>>>Immunology, University of Wisconsin; Vijendra Singh,

>> >Ph.D., Research

>> >> >>>>Professor of Immunology, Utah State University; Walter

>> >Spitzer, M.D.,

>> >> >>>>M.P.H.,

>> >> >>>>Professor Emeritus of Epidemiology, McGill University,

>> >Montreal; and

>> >> >>

>> >> >>>>Wakefield, M.D., Royal Free Hospital School of Medicine,

>> >London.

>> >> >>>>

>> >> >>>>Congressman Dan Burton, Chairman of the House Government

>> >Reform

>> >> Committee

>> >> >>>>will be the dinner speaker on Saturday night. On Friday

>> >night, a special

>> >> >>>>benefit dinner to launch the Children's Fund for Hope

>and

>> >Healing will

>> >> >>>raise

>> >> >>>>funds for scientific research into the causes and cures

>for

>> >> >>vaccine-induced

>> >> >>>>neuroimmune dysfunction.

>> >> >>>>

>> >> >>>>For a complete agenda and to register on-line, go to

>> >www.909shot.com.

>> >> >>>>

>> >> >>>>

>> >> >>>>

>> >> >>>>

>> >> >>>

>> >> >>>

>> >> >>>_

>> >> >>>

>> >> >>>

[Guest guest]

y'know...i hate to take a chance on starting a

fight...although since i'm sure half of you delete my

posts unread anyway it probably doesnt matter..but

this IS an epilepsy list..for people with

epilepsy..who want to talk about it and troubleshoot

it and discuss it, and its frustrating as HELL to

constantly hear all this harping about mercury and

autism and vaccines and blah blah blah...this is not

the vaccine injury/autism/mercury poisoning list. its

for people with epilepsy who want to talk about it.

and some of us know where we got our epilepsy and it

has nothing to do with our dental work or our vaccines

or anything like that.

i can respect that you guys feel that those things

caused seizures in you or the people you love,and i

have nothing but admiration for the fact that you're

standing up and fighting for your kids, but can the

rest of us please talk about other things without

being railroaded?? please??

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> >>

> >>Honestly, I'm not looking for an argument on this

> issue. I came here

> >>because I have a seizure disorder and was looking

> for folks to discuss that

> >>with. Since I have been here, I have seen more

> information on autism. Is

> >>this an autism list? Should I look elsewhere for

> support with my epilepsy?

>

> Both words are synonyms for vaccine damage.

>

>

> _

>

>

[Guest guest]

but kathy...youre not the only one on the list. youre

not the only one who's kids are brain injured,

whatever the reason, and its not always " all about

kathy and her crusade " .

there are other people on this list and they have

other issues and other problems and other opinions,

and when they talk about them its really unfair to

have it all come back to kathy and mercury and autism

and vaccines.

yes i do understand that this particular thread is

about vaccine injury...but looking into archived

posts, it manages to make its way into virtually every

thing anyone mentions on this list. and personally i'd

like to hear other things too.

i have epilepsy. i dont have mercury poisoning. i dont

have vaccine injury. i dont have autism. i have

epilepsy. i have seizures. i have 40-60 a day, and for

me three grand mals in two days is really a great run

of low seizure activity. i would like some kind of

input on things that work for THAT, and on what other

people may have done that helped, and whatever. on

what its like to live with epilepsy and what kind of

challenges people face and what kind of things they do

to keep on living their lives. what makes them happy,

as someone on another list asked, what makes them

thrive?

rather than keep beating this whole mercury/vaccine

thing into the ground. if your kids have seizures,

they have seizures. if you think you know what caused

them, that's wonderful, but...so??? they have

seizures. deal with them. and maybe have a

conversation with someone once in a while that doesnt

swing back immediately to your cause.

killfile me if you want, i just wanted to say what was

on my mind. i already told someone else i wasnt going

to do that, and wow..did i blow it or what? yes i did.

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>

> I am angry at people who challenge that my kids are

> not autistic becuase of

> vaccines. You have questioned that, you are the one

> that brought it up, not

> me. I have a child with seizures, last weekend

> three total grand mals. I am also trying to find

> the cure to EPILEPSY, and

> yes, they were caused by vaccines. If I cannot

> enumerate on the cause, how

> are we suppose to cure it? I also take offence that

> you assume that I am angry at you. I am angry at

> the policies that made my

> kid this way. After awhile, you get over the anger

> I am sure, but for now,

> when my kid is suffering, it is at it's forefrunt.

> I use to be quite docile

> about the causation, I still believe that God knows

> best and he knows that

> I can withstand the pressure, but really, when you

> are empowered with this

> kind of knowledge, you would do everything in your

> power to dissiminate it.

> Just becuase you work with our kids does not make

> you our saviour. I am

> happy that you can help them, but do you know who

> has the task 24 7?

> Parents. Until you get that, you will never know

> the pain we feel. It

> would do you better to address parents with kindness

> and deference rather

> disdain for our belief systems and how our kids got

> to be this way. I don't

> even care if it is genetic, you must treat people

> with the benefit of the

> doubt, that they know what they are talking about.

> We are the ones that sit

> in the pediatricians, neurologist and

> gastroenterologist appointments, not

> you. We are the ones that investigate our hearts

> out as to why this

> happned. We are the ones that spend money and time

> and energies on our

> kids, not you. We are the ones that were there when

> we saw our kids

> screaming encephalitic screams after vaccines. We

> are the ones that held

> our kids in bathtubs for 24 hours after a vaccine.

> We are the ones that

> witnessed the loss of language, the loss of skills,

> the loss of immune

> function, the gritty sandy poopy diapers, the

> nightterrors, not you. It's

> not that I hold disdain for you personally, I hold

> disdain for anyone who

> questions what I saw and what was recorded on my

> sons medical

> charts...ie...VACCINE ENCEPHALITIS with VACCINE

> AQUIRED AUTISM. By the

> way, I have a daughter who also suffered, who I

> still gave vaccines too,

> becuase my pediatrician said, we'll take out the

> pertussis, that was the

> culprit.....really good mandate there. Get over the

> fact that I am not

> angry at you, you may be the angel for many a

> family. I thoroughly support

> your chosen profession. But, I not support folks

> who question me and why I

> am on the list.

> Kathy

> '

>

> ----Original Message-----

> From: jeashe <jeashe@...>

> egroups

> < egroups>

> Date: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 10:34 AM

> Subject: Re: [ ] Fw: vaccine injury

> conference

>

>

> >

> >No....and aparently this is not the list for me. I

> came here for support,

> >not more stress..........and not to get attacked.

> I spend every waking

> hour

> >of my time working to make life better for folks

> with disabilities. I am

> >the person who finds that much needed respite for

> the parents. I am the

> >person who hires much needed staffing for their

> home so that the parents

> >will have assistance in taking care of their

> children and adult children on

> >a daily basis, and so they won't have to place them

> in a group home or

> other

> >residential facility. I too have epilepsy and was

> looking for knowledge

> and

> >support. My question was merely to determine the

> purpose of this list. It

> >is obvious that you are very angry about the

> challenges life has given you

> >and that you are not open to allowing people to

> have differing opinions. I

> >will be happy to unsub so that you may continue to

> have control of the

> list.

> >

> >My regards,

> >Jeanne

> > Re: [ ] Fw: vaccine injury

> conference

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>>Kathy,

> >>>>

> >>>>I happen to be in agreement with you about

> vaccines. I also personally

> >>>would

> >>>>rather see death from smallpox than a liftetime

> of tragic suffering.

> >This

> >>>>country is so anti-death it's pathetic. We have

> lost touch with

> nature's

> >>>means

> >>>>of keeping a healthy stock of genes, which is

> survival of the fittest.

> >>>What's

> >>>>so bad about death? This planet is way

> overpopulated as it is, and as

> >>long

> >>>as

> >>>>the MDs spend all their efforts on preserving

> life at all costs rather

> >>than

> >>>>preserving the QUALITY of life, it's just going

> to get worse for all the

> >>>humans,

> >>>>animals and plants living here. Anyway, back to

> my point. I have a

> >>sister

> >>>who

> >>>>is pregnant for the second time and although she

> vaccinated her first

> >>child

> >>>(who

> >>>>almost died from asthma at age 2) despite my

> mother's protestations and

> >>>books of

> >>>>evidence sent to her, I have hopes that maybe

> she will do something

> >>>different

> >>>>this time around--if given the right materials.

> Since you know so much

> >>>about

> >>>>the subject, I thought you would be a good

> source for referrals. What I

> >>am

> >>>>looking for is a site or an article that is not

> overly long, and

> >>definitely

> >>>not

> >>>>pushy or dogmatic in its tone. Just a very

> concise, well written

> article

> >>>to

> >>>>alert her to recent research findings and the

> truth of mercury

> >>contaminants

> >>>in

> >>>>vaccinations. She also has a very skeptical

> husband whom she'll have to

> >>>>convince.

> >>>>

> >>>>Thanks,

> >>>>

> >>>>aa

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>_

> >>>>

> >>>>

[Guest guest]

--- jeashe <jeashe@...> wrote:

? Should I look elsewhere for

> support with my epilepsy?

>

> Jeanne

please dont.....

> Re: [ ] Fw: vaccine injury

> conference

>

>

> >

> >Kathy,

> >

> >I happen to be in agreement with you about

> vaccines. I also personally

> would

> >rather see death from smallpox than a liftetime of

> tragic suffering. This

> >country is so anti-death it's pathetic. We have

> lost touch with nature's

> means

> >of keeping a healthy stock of genes, which is

> survival of the fittest.

> What's

> >so bad about death? This planet is way

> overpopulated as it is, and as long

> as

> >the MDs spend all their efforts on preserving life

> at all costs rather than

> >preserving the QUALITY of life, it's just going to

> get worse for all the

> humans,

> >animals and plants living here. Anyway, back to my

> point. I have a sister

> who

> >is pregnant for the second time and although she

> vaccinated her first child

> (who

> >almost died from asthma at age 2) despite my

> mother's protestations and

> books of

> >evidence sent to her, I have hopes that maybe she

> will do something

> different

> >this time around--if given the right materials.

> Since you know so much

> about

> >the subject, I thought you would be a good source

> for referrals. What I am

> >looking for is a site or an article that is not

> overly long, and definitely

> not

> >pushy or dogmatic in its tone. Just a very

> concise, well written article

> to

> >alert her to recent research findings and the truth

> of mercury contaminants

> in

> >vaccinations. She also has a very skeptical

> husband whom she'll have to

> >convince.

> >

> >Thanks,

> >

> >aa

> >

> >

> >_

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

We have resolved this issue, as per our last communication.

Kathy

Re: [ ] Fw: vaccine injury conference

>

>y'know...i hate to take a chance on starting a

>fight...although since i'm sure half of you delete my

>posts unread anyway it probably doesnt matter..but

>this IS an epilepsy list..for people with

>epilepsy..who want to talk about it and troubleshoot

>it and discuss it, and its frustrating as HELL to

>constantly hear all this harping about mercury and

>autism and vaccines and blah blah blah...this is not

>the vaccine injury/autism/mercury poisoning list. its

>for people with epilepsy who want to talk about it.

>and some of us know where we got our epilepsy and it

>has nothing to do with our dental work or our vaccines

>or anything like that.

>

>i can respect that you guys feel that those things

>caused seizures in you or the people you love,and i

>have nothing but admiration for the fact that you're

>standing up and fighting for your kids, but can the

>rest of us please talk about other things without

>being railroaded?? please??

>

>

>

>--- <moira@...> wrote:

>> -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor

>>

>>

>> >>

>> >>Honestly, I'm not looking for an argument on this

>> issue. I came here

>> >>because I have a seizure disorder and was looking

>> for folks to discuss that

>> >>with. Since I have been here, I have seen more

>> information on autism. Is

>> >>this an autism list? Should I look elsewhere for

>> support with my epilepsy?

>>

>> Both words are synonyms for vaccine damage.

>>

>>

>> _

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

You are not feeling well, so I don't hold that against you?

My last communication to Jeannie was to help her see

what was her etiology. If we can pinpoint that, wouldn't

that be the first place to start? I pointed out that it can

be so numerous it is not even funny, we are not made

out of the same molds that it for sure! REad the communication

and you estimate in your opinion if I am of value to the list?

I think seizures are hell, I hate seeing them in my kid, so I worked

on what worked for him, many of the things detailed to her was

what I worked on in my son. I think I am susceptible to seizures

as well, as I have had fainting spells that mimic seizures, so

the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Notwithstanding, a lot

of info we must first derive is what are the insufficiencies and

weaknesses of the body, what are the imprints that left an indeliable

mark on the body, via the comprimises of the immune system, and

was that exogenous (outside sources) or internal genetic codings?

Having that information would give you very good hints on how to

control this crappy disorder. What are the things that you think

may have caused this whole mess?

KAthy

Re: [ ] Fw: vaccine injury

>> conference

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>>Kathy,

>> >>>>

>> >>>>I happen to be in agreement with you about

>> vaccines. I also personally

>> >>>would

>> >>>>rather see death from smallpox than a liftetime

>> of tragic suffering.

>> >This

>> >>>>country is so anti-death it's pathetic. We have

>> lost touch with

>> nature's

>> >>>means

>> >>>>of keeping a healthy stock of genes, which is

>> survival of the fittest.

>> >>>What's

>> >>>>so bad about death? This planet is way

>> overpopulated as it is, and as

>> >>long

>> >>>as

>> >>>>the MDs spend all their efforts on preserving

>> life at all costs rather

>> >>than

>> >>>>preserving the QUALITY of life, it's just going

>> to get worse for all the

>> >>>humans,

>> >>>>animals and plants living here. Anyway, back to

>> my point. I have a

>> >>sister

>> >>>who

>> >>>>is pregnant for the second time and although she

>> vaccinated her first

>> >>child

>> >>>(who

>> >>>>almost died from asthma at age 2) despite my

>> mother's protestations and

>> >>>books of

>> >>>>evidence sent to her, I have hopes that maybe

>> she will do something

>> >>>different

>> >>>>this time around--if given the right materials.

>> Since you know so much

>> >>>about

>> >>>>the subject, I thought you would be a good

>> source for referrals. What I

>> >>am

>> >>>>looking for is a site or an article that is not

>> overly long, and

>> >>definitely

>> >>>not

>> >>>>pushy or dogmatic in its tone. Just a very

>> concise, well written

>> article

>> >>>to

>> >>>>alert her to recent research findings and the

>> truth of mercury

>> >>contaminants

>> >>>in

>> >>>>vaccinations. She also has a very skeptical

>> husband whom she'll have to

>> >>>>convince.

>> >>>>

>> >>>>Thanks,

>> >>>>

>> >>>>aa

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>>_

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

[Guest guest]

" we " who? you and me? probably not. you and someone

else? whats that got to do with my saying what i feel?

and the last thing i saw was someone saying they were

going to leave the list so you could continue to

control it...so whatever resolution you're talking

about, im not aware of. and have not much to do with.

i stand by what i said, i didnt say it for someone

else, i said it for myself, and you and i have

resolved absolutely nothing.

--- Jim Blanco <kblanco@...> wrote:

> -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor

>

>

> We have resolved this issue, as per our last

> communication.

> Kathy

> Re: [ ] Fw: vaccine injury

> conference

>

>

> >

> >y'know...i hate to take a chance on starting a

> >fight...although since i'm sure half of you delete

> my

> >posts unread anyway it probably doesnt matter..but

> >this IS an epilepsy list..for people with

> >epilepsy..who want to talk about it and

> troubleshoot

> >it and discuss it, and its frustrating as HELL to

> >constantly hear all this harping about mercury and

> >autism and vaccines and blah blah blah...this is

> not

> >the vaccine injury/autism/mercury poisoning list.

> its

> >for people with epilepsy who want to talk about it.

> >and some of us know where we got our epilepsy and

> it

> >has nothing to do with our dental work or our

> vaccines

> >or anything like that.

> >

> >i can respect that you guys feel that those things

> >caused seizures in you or the people you love,and i

> >have nothing but admiration for the fact that

> you're

> >standing up and fighting for your kids, but can

> the

> >rest of us please talk about other things without

> >being railroaded?? please??

> >

> >

> >

> >--- <moira@...> wrote:

> >> -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor

> >>

> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>Honestly, I'm not looking for an argument on

> this

> >> issue. I came here

> >> >>because I have a seizure disorder and was

> looking

> >> for folks to discuss that

> >> >>with. Since I have been here, I have seen more

> >> information on autism. Is

> >> >>this an autism list? Should I look elsewhere

> for

> >> support with my epilepsy?

> >>

> >> Both words are synonyms for vaccine damage.

> >>

> >>

> >> _

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

kathy,

i think you are of value to the list...a lot of what

you say is dead on....but i also think i still stand

by what i said...you sound , not ALL of the time but

MOST of the time, as if you're on a mission regarding

the vaccine injury thing, and it overshadows what

other people are here for..to the point that a lot of

the time its very difficult to talk about anything

else.

maybe its only me, but i find you a very overpowering

personality.

and as for etiology...ok for people who dont know,

pinpointing that is the place to start...as long as it

doesnt HAVE to lead irrefuteably back to where someone

wants it to lead. as long as its investigated with a

willingness to find the real cause..no matter what it

may be. not with a predestination.

i already know why i have seizures.

and i also derailed so i'm going to shut up.

>

>

> You are not feeling well, so I don't hold that

> against you?

> My last communication to Jeannie was to help her see

> what was her etiology. If we can pinpoint that,

> wouldn't

> that be the first place to start? I pointed out

> that it can

> be so numerous it is not even funny, we are not made

> out of the same molds that it for sure! REad the

> communication

> and you estimate in your opinion if I am of value to

> the list?

> I think seizures are hell, I hate seeing them in my

> kid, so I worked

> on what worked for him, many of the things detailed

> to her was

> what I worked on in my son. I think I am

> susceptible to seizures

> as well, as I have had fainting spells that mimic

> seizures, so

> the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

> Notwithstanding, a lot

> of info we must first derive is what are the

> insufficiencies and

> weaknesses of the body, what are the imprints that

> left an indeliable

> mark on the body, via the comprimises of the immune

> system, and

> was that exogenous (outside sources) or internal

> genetic codings?

> Having that information would give you very good

> hints on how to

> control this crappy disorder. What are the things

> that you think

> may have caused this whole mess?

> KAthy

> Re: [ ] Fw: vaccine

> injury

> >> conference

> >> >>>

> >> >>>

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>Kathy,

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>I happen to be in agreement with you about

> >> vaccines. I also personally

> >> >>>would

> >> >>>>rather see death from smallpox than a

> liftetime

> >> of tragic suffering.

> >> >This

> >> >>>>country is so anti-death it's pathetic. We

> have

> >> lost touch with

> >> nature's

> >> >>>means

> >> >>>>of keeping a healthy stock of genes, which is

> >> survival of the fittest.

> >> >>>What's

> >> >>>>so bad about death? This planet is way

> >> overpopulated as it is, and as

> >> >>long

> >> >>>as

> >> >>>>the MDs spend all their efforts on preserving

> >> life at all costs rather

> >> >>than

> >> >>>>preserving the QUALITY of life, it's just

> going

> >> to get worse for all the

> >> >>>humans,

> >> >>>>animals and plants living here. Anyway, back

> to

> >> my point. I have a

> >> >>sister

> >> >>>who

> >> >>>>is pregnant for the second time and although

> she

> >> vaccinated her first

> >> >>child

> >> >>>(who

> >> >>>>almost died from asthma at age 2) despite my

> >> mother's protestations and

> >> >>>books of

> >> >>>>evidence sent to her, I have hopes that maybe

> >> she will do something

> >> >>>different

> >> >>>>this time around--if given the right

> materials.

> >> Since you know so much

> >> >>>about

> >> >>>>the subject, I thought you would be a good

> >> source for referrals. What I

> >> >>am

> >> >>>>looking for is a site or an article that is

> not

> >> overly long, and

> >> >>definitely

> >> >>>not

> >> >>>>pushy or dogmatic in its tone. Just a very

> >> concise, well written

> >> article

> >> >>>to

> >> >>>>alert her to recent research findings and the

> >> truth of mercury

> >> >>contaminants

> >> >>>in

> >> >>>>vaccinations. She also has a very skeptical

> >> husband whom she'll have to

> >> >>>>convince.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>Thanks,

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>aa

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>_

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>>

[Guest guest]

I didn't want to clog the list with this thread, so we communicated

(jeannie)

and I privately, if you want me to post it, I will It was about what her

etiologies were and what I felt should or could be looked at, she can

post it to the list if she wants. We are completely at peace with this

and have put it to rest. She is on the list and is a valuable member, as

is everyone. She was looking for some help in some areas. Are you

wanting something else from me? I regret your feelings towards me,

I thought we were on equal grounds here, but I guess not. What helps

epilepsy? Have loads of info on that. How to have a life with epilepsy,

not sure if you can have one, but let me know about that one! I wish

lists could " just get along " but emotions run high when people are ill.

Kathy

Re: [ ] Fw: vaccine injury

>> conference

>>

>>

>> >

>> >y'know...i hate to take a chance on starting a

>> >fight...although since i'm sure half of you delete

>> my

>> >posts unread anyway it probably doesnt matter..but

>> >this IS an epilepsy list..for people with

>> >epilepsy..who want to talk about it and

>> troubleshoot

>> >it and discuss it, and its frustrating as HELL to

>> >constantly hear all this harping about mercury and

>> >autism and vaccines and blah blah blah...this is

>> not

>> >the vaccine injury/autism/mercury poisoning list.

>> its

>> >for people with epilepsy who want to talk about it.

>> >and some of us know where we got our epilepsy and

>> it

>> >has nothing to do with our dental work or our

>> vaccines

>> >or anything like that.

>> >

>> >i can respect that you guys feel that those things

>> >caused seizures in you or the people you love,and i

>> >have nothing but admiration for the fact that

>> you're

>> >standing up and fighting for your kids, but can

>> the

>> >rest of us please talk about other things without

>> >being railroaded?? please??

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >--- <moira@...> wrote:

>> >> -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >>Honestly, I'm not looking for an argument on

>> this

>> >> issue. I came here

>> >> >>because I have a seizure disorder and was

>> looking

>> >> for folks to discuss that

>> >> >>with. Since I have been here, I have seen more

>> >> information on autism. Is

>> >> >>this an autism list? Should I look elsewhere

>> for

>> >> support with my epilepsy?

>> >>

>> >> Both words are synonyms for vaccine damage.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> _

>> >>

>> >>

[Guest guest]

I am willing to find the solution whatever the cause may be \

Predistination to what, what do you think my motives are?

I am not a trained physician or dietician or anything of the sort.

I am just a mom, witnessing the slow death of a brain in my child(ren).

I have just been through the mill and back and between, and

somehow in the journey I have learned and documented a

thing or two. I am a very inquisitous person, I don't let things

lye as what is told me, I have to go around it, investigate it.

Blame that on the " autism " in me I guess, but I have a very

(with no braggin) high IQ and I have probably not a lot of patience

(which I think is EQ, I hold in higher esteem than IQ). I tick

a lot of people off becuase I assume they are on my loop or thread,

so please forgive me for that up front. Do you want me to post my

suggestions to Jeannie, I think they are rather interesting? I sense

your EQ levels are much higher than mine and your sensitive nature

has gotten you far.

Kathy

Re: [ ] Fw: vaccine

>> injury

>> >> conference

>> >> >>>

>> >> >>>

>> >> >>>>

>> >> >>>>Kathy,

>> >> >>>>

>> >> >>>>I happen to be in agreement with you about

>> >> vaccines. I also personally

>> >> >>>would

>> >> >>>>rather see death from smallpox than a

>> liftetime

>> >> of tragic suffering.

>> >> >This

>> >> >>>>country is so anti-death it's pathetic. We

>> have

>> >> lost touch with

>> >> nature's

>> >> >>>means

>> >> >>>>of keeping a healthy stock of genes, which is

>> >> survival of the fittest.

>> >> >>>What's

>> >> >>>>so bad about death? This planet is way

>> >> overpopulated as it is, and as

>> >> >>long

>> >> >>>as

>> >> >>>>the MDs spend all their efforts on preserving

>> >> life at all costs rather

>> >> >>than

>> >> >>>>preserving the QUALITY of life, it's just

>> going

>> >> to get worse for all the

>> >> >>>humans,

>> >> >>>>animals and plants living here. Anyway, back

>> to

>> >> my point. I have a

>> >> >>sister

>> >> >>>who

>> >> >>>>is pregnant for the second time and although

>> she

>> >> vaccinated her first

>> >> >>child

>> >> >>>(who

>> >> >>>>almost died from asthma at age 2) despite my

>> >> mother's protestations and

>> >> >>>books of

>> >> >>>>evidence sent to her, I have hopes that maybe

>> >> she will do something

>> >> >>>different

>> >> >>>>this time around--if given the right

>> materials.

>> >> Since you know so much

>> >> >>>about

>> >> >>>>the subject, I thought you would be a good

>> >> source for referrals. What I

>> >> >>am

>> >> >>>>looking for is a site or an article that is

>> not

>> >> overly long, and

>> >> >>definitely

>> >> >>>not

>> >> >>>>pushy or dogmatic in its tone. Just a very

>> >> concise, well written

>> >> article

>> >> >>>to

>> >> >>>>alert her to recent research findings and the

>> >> truth of mercury

>> >> >>contaminants

>> >> >>>in

>> >> >>>>vaccinations. She also has a very skeptical

>> >> husband whom she'll have to

>> >> >>>>convince.

>> >> >>>>

>> >> >>>>Thanks,

>> >> >>>>

>> >> >>>>aa

>> >> >>>>

>> >> >>>>

>> >> >>>>_

>> >> >>>>

>> >> >>>>

[Guest guest]

--- Jim Blanco <kblanco@...> wrote:

> -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor

> -------------------------~-~>

> Tired of searching for an apartment?

no i'm really tired of these egroups ads.

>

>

> I am willing to find the solution whatever the cause

> may be \

> Predistination to what, what do you think my motives

> are?

my impression *only an impression* is that you've got

a predetermined cause already in your mind. anything

that seems to happen you seem to point the finger at

mercury/vaccines. i find that frustrating because

there are other reasons...other issues, other

ideas....that arent being talked about or explored

because you SEEM *note seem* to be very dogmatic about

this.

> I am not a trained physician or dietician or

> anything of the sort.

> I am just a mom, witnessing the slow death of a

> brain in my child(ren).

> I have just been through the mill and back and

> between, and

> somehow in the journey I have learned and documented

> a

> thing or two. I am a very inquisitous person, I

> don't let things

> lye as what is told me, I have to go around it,

> investigate it.

i investigate everything too..but i dont always come

back to the same outcome no matter what. you may come

to different conclusions as well, but all we see are

your words on ONE.

> Blame that on the " autism " in me I guess, but I have

> a very

> (with no braggin) high IQ and I have probably not a

> lot of patience

> (which I think is EQ, I hold in higher esteem than

> IQ). I tick

> a lot of people off becuase I assume they are on my

> loop or thread,

> so please forgive me for that up front.

i do the same thing, and its rather obvious i have no

patience whatsoever. my frustration threshold is very

very low and my tendency to just finally blurt things

out is very very high. i wont ask forgiveness for it,

that goes only so far. all i ask is that people please

hear what im saying, hear my words, and respond to

them, rather than respond to their own agenda. which

is why i get frustrated here. i have asked, earlier,

when i first started posting, for people to please

just TELL me what they were talking about. i got a lot

of " oh grow up " comments, and told by a couple of

people that they were " through with the conversation "

etc etc...which to me defies logic. if you have an

idea or something you strongly feel people should

know, why refuse to then help them understand? people

respond to their own agenda and dont answer the things

that are put to them. and again..it all goes back to

one topic, one subject, one idea, one crusade. and its

not the one i'm on the list for.

is that my problem? maybe.

Do you want

> me to post my

> suggestions to Jeannie, I think they are rather

> interesting?

i saw your post about questioning etiology, if thats

the one you mean. yes some of those were interesting.

I sense

> your EQ levels are much higher than mine and your

> sensitive nature

> has gotten you far.

i have no idea what EQ is...my IQ is high..probably

too high for me to have much common sense.

what i do know..because while i'm typing i'm losing

the thread of what im talking about...little bitty

constant seizures make it hard to hold a train of

thought...is that id like to know what you think about

things other than autism...i DO understand the

connection...but i'd like to go down a different path.

> Kathy

> Re: [ ] Fw: vaccine

> >> injury

> >> >> conference

> >> >> >>>

> >> >> >>>

> >> >> >>>>

> >> >> >>>>Kathy,

> >> >> >>>>

> >> >> >>>>I happen to be in agreement with you about

> >> >> vaccines. I also personally

> >> >> >>>would

> >> >> >>>>rather see death from smallpox than a

> >> liftetime

> >> >> of tragic suffering.

> >> >> >This

> >> >> >>>>country is so anti-death it's pathetic.

> We

> >> have

> >> >> lost touch with

> >> >> nature's

> >> >> >>>means

> >> >> >>>>of keeping a healthy stock of genes, which

> is

> >> >> survival of the fittest.

> >> >> >>>What's

> >> >> >>>>so bad about death? This planet is way

> >> >> overpopulated as it is, and as

> >> >> >>long

> >> >> >>>as

> >> >> >>>>the MDs spend all their efforts on

> preserving

> >> >> life at all costs rather

> >> >> >>than

> >> >> >>>>preserving the QUALITY of life, it's just

> >> going

> >> >> to get worse for all the

> >> >> >>>humans,

> >> >> >>>>animals and plants living here. Anyway,

> back

> >> to

> >> >> my point. I have a

> >> >> >>sister

> >> >> >>>who

> >> >> >>>>is pregnant for the second time and

> although

> >> she

> >> >> vaccinated her first

> >> >> >>child

> >> >> >>>(who

> >> >> >>>>almost died from asthma at age 2) despite

> my

> >> >> mother's protestations and

> >> >> >>>books of

> >> >> >>>>evidence sent to her, I have hopes that

> maybe

> >> >> she will do something

> >> >> >>>different

> >> >> >>>>this time around--if given the right

> >> materials.

> >> >> Since you know so much

> >> >> >>>about

> >> >> >>>>the subject, I thought you would be a good

> >> >> source for referrals. What I

> >> >> >>am

> >> >> >>>>looking for is a site or an article that

> is

> >> not

> >> >> overly long, and

> >> >> >>definitely

> >> >> >>>not

> >> >> >>>>pushy or dogmatic in its tone. Just a

> very

> >> >> concise, well written

> >> >> article

> >> >> >>>to

> >> >> >>>>alert her to recent research findings and

> the

> >> >> truth of mercury

> >> >> >>contaminants

> >> >> >>>in

> >> >> >>>>vaccinations. She also has a very

> skeptical

> >> >> husband whom she'll have to

> >> >> >>>>convince.

> >> >> >>>>

> >> >> >>>>Thanks,

> >> >> >>>>

> >> >> >>>>aa

> >> >> >>>>

> >> >> >>>>

> >> >> >>>>_

> >> >> >>>>

> >> >> >>>>

[Guest guest]

--- Jim Blanco <kblanco@...> wrote:

>

>

> I didn't want to clog the list with this thread, so

> we communicated

> (jeannie)

> and I privately, if you want me to post it, I will

> It was about what her

> etiologies were and what I felt should or could be

> looked at, she can

> post it to the list if she wants. We are completely

> at peace with this

> and have put it to rest. She is on the list and is

> a valuable member, as

> is everyone. She was looking for some help in some

> areas. Are you

> wanting something else from me? I regret your

> feelings towards me,

> I thought we were on equal grounds here, but I guess

> not.

i dont have any ill feelings toward you personally, i

dont KNOW you personally. i have a hard time with

being on a list i'm on because i'm looking for help

and looking for people who have the same issues i do,

and finding only ...well..extremely strongly worded

articles and posts and posts and posts about something

thats not really related to why i'm here. and i have a

hard time with the frustration around having

asked...as i said in another post, for some kind of

reasonable help in understanding and being told that

there's no time for that. i never liked the first

reply i got on this list, which was being told to grow

up, because i said that the things you were saying

scared me. and i dont like seeing a post by someone,

saying they're going to leave...because of all the

things that have been bugging ME that i've been

keeping quiet about. ive tried before to ask you

things..and always get answers back that hit me as

defensive and hostile..so i've stopped trying. my

feeling was that if i didnt want to hear it was

mercury/vaccine related, you didnt want to talk about

it. that unless it was about that, there was no

point.if i misread you, i apologize for that.

What helps

> epilepsy? Have loads of info on that. How to have

> a life with epilepsy,

> not sure if you can have one, but let me know about

> that one!

you can have one. i have one. most of the time im

tired, but i have one. i have a lot of issues besides

epilepsy that i deal with...other brain injury, other

health conditions...but i have a life and a lot of the

time my life is a whole lot of fun. not that it sounds

like it right now, i'm sick and i'm tired and my moods

not real great (can y'tell?).

I wish

> lists could " just get along " but emotions run high

> when people are ill.

> Kathy

lists can just get along. when people actually talk to

each other on some kind of human level...and this is

probably the first time i've talked to you on any kind

of human level.

i have to thank you for responding without any rote

exclamations, and without anything even remotely

dogmatic. maybe if id talked to you like this earlier

i wouldnt have yelled at you. my bad.

> Re: [ ] Fw: vaccine injury

> >> conference

> >>

> >>

> >> >

> >> >y'know...i hate to take a chance on starting a

> >> >fight...although since i'm sure half of you

> delete

> >> my

> >> >posts unread anyway it probably doesnt

> matter..but

> >> >this IS an epilepsy list..for people with

> >> >epilepsy..who want to talk about it and

> >> troubleshoot

> >> >it and discuss it, and its frustrating as HELL

> to

> >> >constantly hear all this harping about mercury

> and

> >> >autism and vaccines and blah blah blah...this is

> >> not

> >> >the vaccine injury/autism/mercury poisoning

> list.

> >> its

> >> >for people with epilepsy who want to talk about

> it.

> >> >and some of us know where we got our epilepsy

> and

> >> it

> >> >has nothing to do with our dental work or our

> >> vaccines

> >> >or anything like that.

> >> >

> >> >i can respect that you guys feel that those

> things

> >> >caused seizures in you or the people you

> love,and i

> >> >have nothing but admiration for the fact that

> >> you're

> >> >standing up and fighting for your kids, but can

> >> the

> >> >rest of us please talk about other things

> without

> >> >being railroaded?? please??

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >--- <moira@...> wrote:

> >> >> -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>Honestly, I'm not looking for an argument on

> >> this

> >> >> issue. I came here

> >> >> >>because I have a seizure disorder and was

> >> looking

> >> >> for folks to discuss that

> >> >> >>with. Since I have been here, I have seen

> more

> >> >> information on autism. Is

> >> >> >>this an autism list? Should I look

> elsewhere

> >> for

> >> >> support with my epilepsy?

> >> >>

> >> >> Both words are synonyms for vaccine damage.

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> _

> >> >>

> >> >>

[Guest guest]

>>>. How to have a life with epilepsy,

>>>not sure if you can have one, but let me know about that one!

You certainly can have a life with epilepsy!

Jeanne

Re: [ ] Fw: vaccine injury

>>> conference

>>>

>>>

>>> >

>>> >y'know...i hate to take a chance on starting a

>>> >fight...although since i'm sure half of you delete

>>> my

>>> >posts unread anyway it probably doesnt matter..but

>>> >this IS an epilepsy list..for people with

>>> >epilepsy..who want to talk about it and

>>> troubleshoot

>>> >it and discuss it, and its frustrating as HELL to

>>> >constantly hear all this harping about mercury and

>>> >autism and vaccines and blah blah blah...this is

>>> not

>>> >the vaccine injury/autism/mercury poisoning list.

>>> its

>>> >for people with epilepsy who want to talk about it.

>>> >and some of us know where we got our epilepsy and

>>> it

>>> >has nothing to do with our dental work or our

>>> vaccines

>>> >or anything like that.

>>> >

>>> >i can respect that you guys feel that those things

>>> >caused seizures in you or the people you love,and i

>>> >have nothing but admiration for the fact that

>>> you're

>>> >standing up and fighting for your kids, but can

>>> the

>>> >rest of us please talk about other things without

>>> >being railroaded?? please??

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >--- <moira@...> wrote:

>>> >> -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >>Honestly, I'm not looking for an argument on

>>> this

>>> >> issue. I came here

>>> >> >>because I have a seizure disorder and was

>>> looking

>>> >> for folks to discuss that

>>> >> >>with. Since I have been here, I have seen more

>>> >> information on autism. Is

>>> >> >>this an autism list? Should I look elsewhere

>>> for

>>> >> support with my epilepsy?

>>> >>

>>> >> Both words are synonyms for vaccine damage.

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >> _

>>> >>

>>> >>

[Guest guest]

I will try to remain on topic as best as I can

Like the other poster that witnessed B vitamins

as his cure, mine has been the revelation of

mercury in the brain, holding tighlty to synapsis.

I have gone down a lot of avenues, this makes

the most sense for ME, maybe not for others,

that is why I shared it. Other thoughts about

thyroid and all others I shared I also have

been enlightened by. Pray tell, what is the

injuries you talk of? Viral related?

Kathy

Re: [ ] Fw: vaccine

>> >> injury

>> >> >> conference

>> >> >> >>>

>> >> >> >>>

>> >> >> >>>>

>> >> >> >>>>Kathy,

>> >> >> >>>>

>> >> >> >>>>I happen to be in agreement with you about

>> >> >> vaccines. I also personally

>> >> >> >>>would

>> >> >> >>>>rather see death from smallpox than a

>> >> liftetime

>> >> >> of tragic suffering.

>> >> >> >This

>> >> >> >>>>country is so anti-death it's pathetic.

>> We

>> >> have

>> >> >> lost touch with

>> >> >> nature's

>> >> >> >>>means

>> >> >> >>>>of keeping a healthy stock of genes, which

>> is

>> >> >> survival of the fittest.

>> >> >> >>>What's

>> >> >> >>>>so bad about death? This planet is way

>> >> >> overpopulated as it is, and as

>> >> >> >>long

>> >> >> >>>as

>> >> >> >>>>the MDs spend all their efforts on

>> preserving

>> >> >> life at all costs rather

>> >> >> >>than

>> >> >> >>>>preserving the QUALITY of life, it's just

>> >> going

>> >> >> to get worse for all the

>> >> >> >>>humans,

>> >> >> >>>>animals and plants living here. Anyway,

>> back

>> >> to

>> >> >> my point. I have a

>> >> >> >>sister

>> >> >> >>>who

>> >> >> >>>>is pregnant for the second time and

>> although

>> >> she

>> >> >> vaccinated her first

>> >> >> >>child

>> >> >> >>>(who

>> >> >> >>>>almost died from asthma at age 2) despite

>> my

>> >> >> mother's protestations and

>> >> >> >>>books of

>> >> >> >>>>evidence sent to her, I have hopes that

>> maybe

>> >> >> she will do something

>> >> >> >>>different

>> >> >> >>>>this time around--if given the right

>> >> materials.

>> >> >> Since you know so much

>> >> >> >>>about

>> >> >> >>>>the subject, I thought you would be a good

>> >> >> source for referrals. What I

>> >> >> >>am

>> >> >> >>>>looking for is a site or an article that

>> is

>> >> not

>> >> >> overly long, and

>> >> >> >>definitely

>> >> >> >>>not

>> >> >> >>>>pushy or dogmatic in its tone. Just a

>> very

>> >> >> concise, well written

>> >> >> article

>> >> >> >>>to

>> >> >> >>>>alert her to recent research findings and

>> the

>> >> >> truth of mercury

>> >> >> >>contaminants

>> >> >> >>>in

>> >> >> >>>>vaccinations. She also has a very

>> skeptical

>> >> >> husband whom she'll have to

>> >> >> >>>>convince.

>> >> >> >>>>

>> >> >> >>>>Thanks,

>> >> >> >>>>

>> >> >> >>>>aa

>> >> >> >>>>

>> >> >> >>>>

>> >> >> >>>>_

>> >> >> >>>>

>> >> >> >>>>