Re: Pre-school for a no vacc child (HELP)

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In a message dated 4/26/02 4:38:37 AM GTB Daylight Time, stamp_bug@...

writes:

<< Can they tell me to hit the

road? Or, since we live in a state with an exemption,

can I just sign something?

Thanks, in advance, for any and all help you may have

>>

Just attach a copy of your affidavit,and if they ask anything show a copy of

the exemption law.If they are following the state law mandates for vaccine

requirments then they must also acknowldege the exemptions(right guys???)They

will either take the affidavit or have their own exemption form to sign. I

would not even bring up vax status like it's some sort of *problem*,just hand

in the papers and let them say what they will.

sara

[Guest guest]

can you explain what the affadavit thing is, or where you get one?

stacy

[Guest guest]

I would think you can get an affidavit, or whatever it is you may need to

file your exemption, from your local Public Health Department. Simply ask

for the Immunization Director (or title similar to this) and they should be

able to help.

Kim

Re: Pre-school for a no vacc child (HELP)

> can you explain what the affadavit thing is, or where you get one?

> stacy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

WHO is requesting an affidavit? What state are you in? Not sure who you

are...

I'm assuming you are allowed the philosophical exemption-simply tell them

you are using it. Sign a copy of the applicable State Rule, date it and

that should be it. Let THEM figure out what it is they need to do.

I cannot believe so many people are having trouble with this! If you're in

a state which allows all three exemptions, they shouldn't even be hassling

you over this!

Kim

Re: Pre-school for a no vacc child (HELP)

> In a message dated 4/26/02 4:38:37 AM GTB Daylight Time,

stamp_bug@...

> writes:

>

> << Can they tell me to hit the

> road? Or, since we live in a state with an exemption,

> can I just sign something?

> Thanks, in advance, for any and all help you may have

> >>

>

> Just attach a copy of your affidavit,and if they ask anything show a copy

of

> the exemption law.If they are following the state law mandates for vaccine

> requirments then they must also acknowldege the exemptions(right

guys???)They

> will either take the affidavit or have their own exemption form to sign. I

> would not even bring up vax status like it's some sort of *problem*,just

hand

> in the papers and let them say what they will.

> sara

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Laney,

You are entitled to your philosophical exemption, USE IT. This co-op should

have something for you to sign regarding your philosophical exemption. Do

NOT let them bully you. Make sure you have a copy of your State's Code and

show it to them. Then ask where it is you sign regarding your philosophical

exemption. If they try to tell you you can't do this, KINDLY explain to

them they are breaking your state's laws regarding your exemption.

You should not have any problems, but if you do, I'd be happy to help out.

Kim

Pre-school for a no vacc child (HELP)

> HI all,

> This topic may have been covered recently or in the

> past so I apologize in advance for the duplication of

> topics, but I am in need of some help urgently

> My 4 1/2 yo son is ready for pre-school. He has had

> NO vaccines due to our philosophical views (and we are

> in a state that has a philosophical exemption). I

> have a registration form for a co-op preschool in my

> hands, and stated on that form is a " requirement " for

> proof of up to date vaccination records to enroll in

> the co-op preschool. What can I expect to come up

> against if I tell the director of the pre-school my

> son's vaccine status? Can they tell me to hit the

> road? Or, since we live in a state with an exemption,

> can I just sign something?

> Thanks, in advance, for any and all help you may have

>

> Laney

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

My state has exemption rules that apply to children attending public schools,

elementary thru high school. Then there's a separate set of

rules/guidelines--laws? that apply to preschools and daycares (not preschools

that are part of the public school systems) that will not allow unimmunized

children to attend, and exemptions are not allowed.

If your state allows the phil. exemption or any other for preschool/daycare as

well as elementary on up, that is wonderful! (and I am jealous!)

Pre-school for a no vacc child (HELP)

HI all,

This topic may have been covered recently or in the

past so I apologize in advance for the duplication of

topics, but I am in need of some help urgently

My 4 1/2 yo son is ready for pre-school. He has had

NO vaccines due to our philosophical views (and we are

in a state that has a philosophical exemption). I

have a registration form for a co-op preschool in my

hands, and stated on that form is a " requirement " for

proof of up to date vaccination records to enroll in

the co-op preschool. What can I expect to come up

against if I tell the director of the pre-school my

son's vaccine status? Can they tell me to hit the

road? Or, since we live in a state with an exemption,

can I just sign something?

Thanks, in advance, for any and all help you may have

Laney

__________________________________________________

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In a message dated 4/26/02 7:52:17 AM GTB Daylight Time, dfansler@...

writes:

<<

If your state allows the phil. exemption or any other for preschool/daycare

as well as elementary on up, that is wonderful! (and I am jealous!)

>>

Ohio does,and it should be on file here or at Sandy's site regarding

exemptions for daycare/preschool.

[Guest guest]

You have to tell us what state you live in

At 06:34 PM 04/25/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>HI all,

>This topic may have been covered recently or in the

>past so I apologize in advance for the duplication of

>topics, but I am in need of some help urgently

>My 4 1/2 yo son is ready for pre-school. He has had

>NO vaccines due to our philosophical views (and we are

>in a state that has a philosophical exemption). I

>have a registration form for a co-op preschool in my

>hands, and stated on that form is a " requirement " for

>proof of up to date vaccination records to enroll in

>the co-op preschool. What can I expect to come up

>against if I tell the director of the pre-school my

>son's vaccine status? Can they tell me to hit the

>road? Or, since we live in a state with an exemption,

>can I just sign something?

>Thanks, in advance, for any and all help you may have

>

>Laney

>

>__________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

FIRST we need the state she is in before we can tell her anything

At 08:49 PM 04/25/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>Laney,

>

>You are entitled to your philosophical exemption, USE IT. This co-op should

>have something for you to sign regarding your philosophical exemption. Do

>NOT let them bully you. Make sure you have a copy of your State's Code and

>show it to them. Then ask where it is you sign regarding your philosophical

>exemption. If they try to tell you you can't do this, KINDLY explain to

>them they are breaking your state's laws regarding your exemption.

>

>You should not have any problems, but if you do, I'd be happy to help out.

>

>Kim

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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How do I find out about Michigan? Affadavit? Copy of exemption? Can anyone

tellme where to look for these things?

My daughter's only 4 months, but it never hurts to be prepared. Also, the

varicella vax will be 'mandatory' this next fall for my son (who will not be

vaxxed again).

H.

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From: nnu29@...

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: Pre-school for a no vacc child (HELP)

Date: Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 10:19 AM

In a message dated 4/26/02 7:52:17 AM GTB Daylight Time, dfansler@...

writes:

<<

If your state allows the phil. exemption or any other for preschool/daycare

as well as elementary on up, that is wonderful! (and I am jealous!)

>>

Ohio does,and it should be on file here or at Sandy's site regarding

exemptions for daycare/preschool.

[Guest guest]

At 10:33 AM 04/26/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>How do I find out about Michigan? Affadavit? Copy of exemption? Can anyone

>tellme where to look for these things?

>

>My daughter's only 4 months, but it never hurts to be prepared. Also, the

>varicella vax will be 'mandatory' this next fall for my son (who will not be

>vaxxed again).

>

> H.

Michigan has a philosophical exemption

All states exemption info is at

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/exemptions.htm

Use the exact wording of the law to make your statement

But many places you just sign the form the school gives you. I will look

in my files in Michigan

Where are you from there - I was born in Kalamazoo!

Sheri

maybe we already talked about this

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

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[Guest guest]

She indicated her state had a philosophical exemption, as I recall.

Therefore, I was just telling her how to go about using it. She shouldn't

be hassled at all if she's allowed the phil. exemption!

Kim

Re: Pre-school for a no vacc child (HELP)

> FIRST we need the state she is in before we can tell her anything

>

> At 08:49 PM 04/25/2002 -0700, you wrote:

> >Laney,

> >

> >You are entitled to your philosophical exemption, USE IT. This co-op

should

> >have something for you to sign regarding your philosophical exemption.

Do

> >NOT let them bully you. Make sure you have a copy of your State's Code

and

> >show it to them. Then ask where it is you sign regarding your

philosophical

> >exemption. If they try to tell you you can't do this, KINDLY explain to

> >them they are breaking your state's laws regarding your exemption.

> >

> >You should not have any problems, but if you do, I'd be happy to help

out.

> >

> >Kim

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> vaccineinfo@...

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

> International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

> Education, Homeopathic Education

> CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>

>

>

>

>

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states: " (and we are in a state that has a philosophical exemption)....

Did you miss that?

Kim

Re: Pre-school for a no vacc child (HELP)

> You have to tell us what state you live in

>

> At 06:34 PM 04/25/2002 -0700, you wrote:

> >HI all,

> >This topic may have been covered recently or in the

> >past so I apologize in advance for the duplication of

> >topics, but I am in need of some help urgently

> >My 4 1/2 yo son is ready for pre-school. He has had

> >NO vaccines due to our philosophical views (and we are

> >in a state that has a philosophical exemption). I

> >have a registration form for a co-op preschool in my

> >hands, and stated on that form is a " requirement " for

> >proof of up to date vaccination records to enroll in

> >the co-op preschool. What can I expect to come up

> >against if I tell the director of the pre-school my

> >son's vaccine status? Can they tell me to hit the

> >road? Or, since we live in a state with an exemption,

> >can I just sign something?

> >Thanks, in advance, for any and all help you may have

> >

> >Laney

> >

> >__________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

At 09:36 AM 04/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>She indicated her state had a philosophical exemption, as I recall.

>Therefore, I was just telling her how to go about using it. She shouldn't

>be hassled at all if she's allowed the phil. exemption!

>

No she shouldn't but that doesn't mean she isn't. And each state has

different procedures. Its easy in California to just turn over the form

given by the school and sign it. But each state is different.

It is very easy if she tells us which state and others can then speak up as

to their experience in that state and we can look at the law.

We shouldn't be guessing what she should do. It should be very clear. If

we are going to be helping people we have to get them to be clear and we

have to be clear and thorough and do everything by the book.

It doesn't help to guess

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

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Education, Homeopathic Education

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[Guest guest]

Sheri,

I just spoke with my husband regarding the exemptions. So far, he's not

found that when a state allows for all three exemptions, that does not mean

it excludes certain entities. In other words, if a state allows a

philosophical exemption, than that should hold forth for each and every

institution, facility, etc. in that given state.

So, if that's not correct, than let us know.

Kim

Re: Pre-school for a no vacc child (HELP)

> At 09:36 AM 04/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:

> >She indicated her state had a philosophical exemption, as I recall.

> >Therefore, I was just telling her how to go about using it. She

shouldn't

> >be hassled at all if she's allowed the phil. exemption!

> >

>

> No she shouldn't but that doesn't mean she isn't. And each state has

> different procedures. Its easy in California to just turn over the form

> given by the school and sign it. But each state is different.

>

> It is very easy if she tells us which state and others can then speak up

as

> to their experience in that state and we can look at the law.

>

> We shouldn't be guessing what she should do. It should be very clear. If

> we are going to be helping people we have to get them to be clear and we

> have to be clear and thorough and do everything by the book.

>

> It doesn't help to guess

> Sheri

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> vaccineinfo@...

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

> International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

> Education, Homeopathic Education

> CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I didn't say that it wouldn't apply to all institutions in the state.

I am saying the procedure for obtaining the exemption varies from state to

state and a person has to follow the procedure.

The idea is to do things properly according to the law, so that undue

attention is not drawn to them, and that no one is harrassed.

It is very simple. If she would share what state she is in we could advise

her better and more completely

At 10:01 AM 04/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>Sheri,

>

>I just spoke with my husband regarding the exemptions. So far, he's not

>found that when a state allows for all three exemptions, that does not mean

>it excludes certain entities. In other words, if a state allows a

>philosophical exemption, than that should hold forth for each and every

>institution, facility, etc. in that given state.

>

>So, if that's not correct, than let us know.

>

>Kim

>

> Re: Pre-school for a no vacc child (HELP)

>

>

>> At 09:36 AM 04/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>> >She indicated her state had a philosophical exemption, as I recall.

>> >Therefore, I was just telling her how to go about using it. She

>shouldn't

>> >be hassled at all if she's allowed the phil. exemption!

>> >

>>

>> No she shouldn't but that doesn't mean she isn't. And each state has

>> different procedures. Its easy in California to just turn over the form

>> given by the school and sign it. But each state is different.

>>

>> It is very easy if she tells us which state and others can then speak up

>as

>> to their experience in that state and we can look at the law.

>>

>> We shouldn't be guessing what she should do. It should be very clear. If

>> we are going to be helping people we have to get them to be clear and we

>> have to be clear and thorough and do everything by the book.

>>

>> It doesn't help to guess

>> Sheri

>>

>>

>> --------------------------------------------------------

>> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

>> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

>> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

>> vaccineinfo@...

>> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

>> PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

>> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

>> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

>> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

>> Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

>> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

>> International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

>> Education, Homeopathic Education

>> CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Okay, Sheri, help me here. What procedures are you speaking of? And if

this person in whatever state they're in, goes to their Health Department

for information regarding acquiring an affidavit or whatever it is they

might need, wouldn't that be a good start at finding out what procedures

they need to follow? I wouldn't think any official in the Health Department

could harass this person, given this state allows the philosophical

exemption.

Thanks!

Kim

Re: Pre-school for a no vacc child (HELP)

> >

> >

> >> At 09:36 AM 04/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:

> >> >She indicated her state had a philosophical exemption, as I recall.

> >> >Therefore, I was just telling her how to go about using it. She

> >shouldn't

> >> >be hassled at all if she's allowed the phil. exemption!

> >> >

> >>

> >> No she shouldn't but that doesn't mean she isn't. And each state has

> >> different procedures. Its easy in California to just turn over the

form

> >> given by the school and sign it. But each state is different.

> >>

> >> It is very easy if she tells us which state and others can then speak

up

> >as

> >> to their experience in that state and we can look at the law.

> >>

> >> We shouldn't be guessing what she should do. It should be very clear.

If

> >> we are going to be helping people we have to get them to be clear and

we

> >> have to be clear and thorough and do everything by the book.

> >>

> >> It doesn't help to guess

> >> Sheri

> >>

> >>

> >> --------------------------------------------------------

> >> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> >> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> >> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> >> vaccineinfo@...

> >> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> >> PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

> >> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> >> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE.

THE

> >> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> >> Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> >> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

> >> International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

> >> Education, Homeopathic Education

> >> CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim,

#1 If we are going to advise anyone, we need to know the state that they

live in and refer them to the law and if we know anyone in that state who

has gone through getting exemptions they can be helpful.

#2 People are harrassed all the time in every state including California

even though we have the philosophical exemption

Because a state has the exemption doesn't guarnatee non harrassment.

#3 Some states - you get a form from the health dept, some you sign the

back of the immunization form for school - I don't know how each state is

or I would advise people.

#4 The quietr everything is done and the lower key the better even in

states with philosophical exemptions

It doesn't help the person who just wants an exemption for their child to

get righteously indignant at the authorities. Find out the procedure and

follow it.

To make it easy on yourself, find the law, and then talk to others who have

done it in that state who will KNOW rather than rely on someone who may not

tell the truth or not be informed at the health department.

All I'm saying is that everyone on this list has been guessing and telling

this person what to do and we don't know what state she even lives in. If

you or anyone or I are going to be advising people, we have to know of what

we speak - absolutely. Or find out absolutely and NOT guess or fly off the

handle or get upset. We need the facts and people need to follow the

procedure in their state or county

You are making this far harder than it is.

At 12:04 PM 04/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>Okay, Sheri, help me here. What procedures are you speaking of? And if

>this person in whatever state they're in, goes to their Health Department

>for information regarding acquiring an affidavit or whatever it is they

>might need, wouldn't that be a good start at finding out what procedures

>they need to follow? I wouldn't think any official in the Health Department

>could harass this person, given this state allows the philosophical

>exemption.

>

>Thanks!

>

>Kim

>

> Re: Pre-school for a no vacc child (HELP)

>> >

>> >

>> >> At 09:36 AM 04/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>> >> >She indicated her state had a philosophical exemption, as I recall.

>> >> >Therefore, I was just telling her how to go about using it. She

>> >shouldn't

>> >> >be hassled at all if she's allowed the phil. exemption!

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >> No she shouldn't but that doesn't mean she isn't. And each state has

>> >> different procedures. Its easy in California to just turn over the

>form

>> >> given by the school and sign it. But each state is different.

>> >>

>> >> It is very easy if she tells us which state and others can then speak

>up

>> >as

>> >> to their experience in that state and we can look at the law.

>> >>

>> >> We shouldn't be guessing what she should do. It should be very clear.

>If

>> >> we are going to be helping people we have to get them to be clear and

>we

>> >> have to be clear and thorough and do everything by the book.

>> >>

>> >> It doesn't help to guess

>> >> Sheri

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> --------------------------------------------------------

>> >> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

>> >> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

>> >> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

>> >> vaccineinfo@...

>> >> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

>> >> PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

>> >> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

>> >> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE.

>THE

>> >> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

>> >> Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

>> >> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

>> >> International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

>> >> Education, Homeopathic Education

>> >> CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheri,

You know, I'm NOT trying to make this a lot harder than it is; I'm trying to

understand! Don't forget, I'm running a vaccine support group; I HAVE to

know how to advise people myself. Thus far, from my husband's research

(don't forget, Sheri, he's partner in a lawfirm, he does know the law) and

my own research, coupled with information from a Director at a YMCA here

last week and two homeopaths, I still was not understanding where you were

coming from.

This is YOUR forum, no one is trying to usurp that. I joined because it's a

beacon of information for me and everyone else; so when I'm confused, I dig

for answers until I'm clear on an issue. That's all...

Kim

Re: Pre-school for a no vacc child (HELP)

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >> At 09:36 AM 04/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:

> >> >> >She indicated her state had a philosophical exemption, as I recall.

> >> >> >Therefore, I was just telling her how to go about using it. She

> >> >shouldn't

> >> >> >be hassled at all if she's allowed the phil. exemption!

> >> >> >

> >> >>

> >> >> No she shouldn't but that doesn't mean she isn't. And each state

has

> >> >> different procedures. Its easy in California to just turn over the

> >form

> >> >> given by the school and sign it. But each state is different.

> >> >>

> >> >> It is very easy if she tells us which state and others can then

speak

> >up

> >> >as

> >> >> to their experience in that state and we can look at the law.

> >> >>

> >> >> We shouldn't be guessing what she should do. It should be very

clear.

> >If

> >> >> we are going to be helping people we have to get them to be clear

and

> >we

> >> >> have to be clear and thorough and do everything by the book.

> >> >>

> >> >> It doesn't help to guess

> >> >> Sheri

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------

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> >THE

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[Guest guest]

I just dont know what else I can say. I just want everyone to know they

have to be very SURE of their information before giving advise. Nto

concerned about usurping. Just trying to show the pitfalls as I've been

through them all.

You know California. Not all the other states, right? I don't even know

all the other states.

That is all I'm saying. We need to be VERy clear about the advice that we

give. When it comes to other states that we don't live in, then we have to

be very careful and not assume they are just like our state.

Are you clear now. I thought I was being clear. Not trying to get in your

face. Just wanting to be sure all know when they are giving advice they

need to be very sure.

Sheri

At 12:37 PM 04/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi Sheri,

>

>You know, I'm NOT trying to make this a lot harder than it is; I'm trying to

>understand! Don't forget, I'm running a vaccine support group; I HAVE to

>know how to advise people myself. Thus far, from my husband's research

>(don't forget, Sheri, he's partner in a lawfirm, he does know the law) and

>my own research, coupled with information from a Director at a YMCA here

>last week and two homeopaths, I still was not understanding where you were

>coming from.

>

>This is YOUR forum, no one is trying to usurp that. I joined because it's a

>beacon of information for me and everyone else; so when I'm confused, I dig

>for answers until I'm clear on an issue. That's all...

>

>Kim

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

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Education, Homeopathic Education

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[Guest guest]

Ask to see the forms needed to apply for the center--make sure they give you the

medcal form and vaccination form. Then look on the vaccination form and see if

there is a spot to just check that you are declining vaccinations due to

medical, philosophical, or religious reasons. In WI it is written that way

right on the front.

L.

Proud mom to Autumn 1-13-97 & Zoe 8-8-00

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[Guest guest]

Oh boy, I did NOT mean to start a big who-ha! I am

sooo sorry that I didn't mention my state. I am in

Washington state. I was in such a " intense " space

writing my original email, I thought that I did

mention my state, but ended up not including that. All

of this makes me so on edge, not wanting to bring

attention to my family for our decisions, that I get

in a strange state of mind

Again, thanks for your help, and sorry that I didn't

give all the necessary information!

Laney

Washington State

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Sheri,

You just answered the reason I was so confused. Jeff DOES know the laws as

they would apply to the other states; they are all applied in the same

fashion as it is here in California.

Read my other post! WHEW.....

Kim

Re: Pre-school for a no vacc child (HELP)

> I just dont know what else I can say. I just want everyone to know they

> have to be very SURE of their information before giving advise. Nto

> concerned about usurping. Just trying to show the pitfalls as I've been

> through them all.

>

> You know California. Not all the other states, right? I don't even know

> all the other states.

> That is all I'm saying. We need to be VERy clear about the advice that we

> give. When it comes to other states that we don't live in, then we have to

> be very careful and not assume they are just like our state.

>

> Are you clear now. I thought I was being clear. Not trying to get in

your

> face. Just wanting to be sure all know when they are giving advice they

> need to be very sure.

> Sheri

>

> At 12:37 PM 04/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:

> >Hi Sheri,

> >

> >You know, I'm NOT trying to make this a lot harder than it is; I'm trying

to

> >understand! Don't forget, I'm running a vaccine support group; I HAVE to

> >know how to advise people myself. Thus far, from my husband's research

> >(don't forget, Sheri, he's partner in a lawfirm, he does know the law)

and

> >my own research, coupled with information from a Director at a YMCA here

> >last week and two homeopaths, I still was not understanding where you

were

> >coming from.

> >

> >This is YOUR forum, no one is trying to usurp that. I joined because

it's a

> >beacon of information for me and everyone else; so when I'm confused, I

dig

> >for answers until I'm clear on an issue. That's all...

> >

> >Kim

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> vaccineinfo@...

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

> International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

> Education, Homeopathic Education

> CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sheri (and everyone),

Now I am curious about something. I am in Montana....went to the web link for

Montana immunization laws...and it appears that the law allows for children

under 5 to attend preschool with an exemption. I assume this covers public

preschools, i.e. preschools within public school walls. There is a whole

different set of rules governing day care centers, and private (paid)

preschools. Unless something has changed for these younger kids in the past few

years, exemptions are NOT allowed in day cares and preschools. Does that seems

strange?

Dolly

Re: Pre-school for a no vacc child (HELP)

I just dont know what else I can say. I just want everyone to know they

have to be very SURE of their information before giving advise. Nto

concerned about usurping. Just trying to show the pitfalls as I've been

through them all.

You know California. Not all the other states, right? I don't even know

all the other states.

That is all I'm saying. We need to be VERy clear about the advice that we

give. When it comes to other states that we don't live in, then we have to

be very careful and not assume they are just like our state.

Are you clear now. I thought I was being clear. Not trying to get in your

face. Just wanting to be sure all know when they are giving advice they

need to be very sure.

Sheri

At 12:37 PM 04/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi Sheri,

>

>You know, I'm NOT trying to make this a lot harder than it is; I'm trying to

>understand! Don't forget, I'm running a vaccine support group; I HAVE to

>know how to advise people myself. Thus far, from my husband's research

>(don't forget, Sheri, he's partner in a lawfirm, he does know the law) and

>my own research, coupled with information from a Director at a YMCA here

>last week and two homeopaths, I still was not understanding where you were

>coming from.

>

>This is YOUR forum, no one is trying to usurp that. I joined because it's a

>beacon of information for me and everyone else; so when I'm confused, I dig

>for answers until I'm clear on an issue. That's all...

>

>Kim

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

[Guest guest]

At 02:52 PM 04/26/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>Oh boy, I did NOT mean to start a big who-ha! I am

>sooo sorry that I didn't mention my state. I am in

>Washington state. I was in such a " intense " space

>writing my original email, I thought that I did

>mention my state, but ended up not including that. All

>of this makes me so on edge, not wanting to bring

>attention to my family for our decisions, that I get

>in a strange state of mind

>Again, thanks for your help, and sorry that I didn't

>give all the necessary information!

>Laney

>Washington State

>

Any one else on this list in Washington...........do you have standard

forms that you get from the school or the health department

or have you just written it up as I suggest below?

Laney.....

Originially you asked........

>What can I expect to come up

> against if I tell the director of the pre-school my

> son's vaccine status? Can they tell me to hit the

> road? Or, since we live in a state with an exemption,

> can I just sign something? "

>

You are going to want to be working with this director of the preschool and

leaving your child there, so you don't want to alienate this person. But

you also want the law followed and your child there under the allowed

exemption. Not all schools, and especially pre-school directors know the

law.

I would print out the law and then write your own statement as indicated

below with the exact wording below that you are taking the philosophical

exemption.

Here is your state law

http://www.access1.net/via/STATES/req-wa.htm

exemptions.......

Exceptions: There are three: RCW & 28A.210.090.

1. A written certification signed by any physician, that a particular

vaccine required by rule of the state board of health is, in his or her

judgment, not advisable for the child: Provided, that when it is

determined that this particular vaccine is no longer contraindicated, the

child will be required to have the vaccine.

2. A written certification signed by any parent or legal guardian of the

child or any adult in loco parentis to the child that the religious beliefs

of the signatory are contrary to the required immunization measures.

3. A written certification signed by any parent or legal guardian of the

child or any adult in loco parent’s to the child that the signatory has

either a philosophical or personal objection to the immunization of the child.

The idea here is

1. To get the law followed

2. To inform people of the law if they don't know it

3. To have this done without a lot of hassle for you and anger between you

and who you are doing business with

4. To do it the way that it is done in your particular state

Yes, of course you have the law, but to stand there in front of the

director demanding yoru rights when she may not even know what you are

talking about doesn't get you what you want - a preschool for your child, a

good relationship with the people there, and your child's exemption filed

and peace of mind for all.

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters