Re: Intro - baby on the way

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Perhaps one of your first purchases should be Viera Scheibner's book

Vaccination-100 Years of Orthodox Research shows that Vaccines Represent a

Medical Assault on the Immune System

It will save you time and angst in the long run. Why bother to learn disease

rates when you can learn from the orthodoxy's own research studies that

vaccines are a dismal failure?

Kathleen

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In a message dated 3/12/02 10:08:27 PM GTB Standard Time,

stacyandbill@... writes:

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(how bad carpeting and mattresses are) >>

Oh don't get me started on nasty ol' carpeting! lol

Welcome to the list and congrats on the pregnancy. My first was a UC birth so

it certainly IS possible to go that route,but it all comes down to you 2 and

the pregnancy in general.Best wishes whatever you choose.

So no problems ever with not vaxing or licensing your dogs? We may get a dog

tomorrow who will have some vaxes,but I definately don't want to continue

with those vaccines(not even the yearly/3 yr rabies). I don't think you can

get a license without one though. Was hopnig to find someone who would just

give me the license for a little extra $$$.

Lotta vaccine(human) info in the archives and files.

And again welcome

Sara in ohio

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In a message dated 3/12/02 10:33:06 PM GTB Standard Time,

HolisticMomma@... writes:

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Perhaps one of your first purchases should be Viera Scheibner's book

Vaccination-100 Years of Orthodox Research >>

Personally I don't recommend buying to many vaccine related books. Better to

save that money for natural healing books, and find the vax related books

through your libraries inter-loan program. I even get the herbal/homeo books

that way first so I can make sure it is worth the purchase.The most

useful(but I have not had to much need for it) book I have gotten was Smart

Medicine for a healthier child by Zand et al. I just wish they would get a

new edition out!

I found that book at a wholesale book outlet store for $7(after I had gotten

mine for $20 at the hfs),so I bought 3 to give out as gifts.

Sara

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Welcome !

I live near Milwaukee too. There are many of us on this list from WI. You

can get the disease rates for your county from the Wisconsin health and

family services website:

http://www.dhfs.state.wi.us/

This will take you right to the health report for the different counties:

http://www.dhfs.state.wi.us/localdata/index.htm

Jodi

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I encourage you buy the book 'how to rise a healthy child inspite of

your doctor (robert S. Mendelsohn, MD)

There are alternative choices for childbirth. Many women and babies

are damaged in hospital birth.. 1 in 4 women gets C section. That

makes 25 in 100...

you can visit http://www.unhinderedliving.com

and http://www.bestfed.com

and http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com

you can join the group Cbirth - these women are learning about

UC - unassisted childbirth

and if u commiteed to unassisted childbirth, you can join

group 'commiteed to unassisted childbirth

go ahead, you will love these websites! you will save yourself great

alot of suffering and trauma to your body and your baby!

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oooh! Thanks! You guys have some great info - I am a book

buyer/reader and will definitely check out your recommendations.

Thanks again, I'm really enjoying reading the archives too.

> I encourage you buy the book 'how to rise a healthy child inspite

of

> your doctor (robert S. Mendelsohn, MD)

> There are alternative choices for childbirth. Many women and babies

> are damaged in hospital birth.. 1 in 4 women gets C section. That

> makes 25 in 100...

> you can visit http://www.unhinderedliving.com

> and http://www.bestfed.com

> and http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com

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I usually just delete all the intro's since this list is so high volume ( i

know--shame on me) but I'm glad I didn't. I'm in Milwaukee as well. I also

have an attachment parenting list for the area milwaukeeAPmomsgroups (DOT) ...

if you'd like to talk to more like minded moms in the area.

I don't know much about the disease rates for the area but we've been on the

look out for chicken poxs to expose the girls to! We just got a new puppy and

I've been wondering about not vaxing him as well so I'd love to chat with you

about that. Welcome and congrats on the pregnancy.

L.

Proud mom to Autumn 1-13-97 & Zoe 8-8-00

Intro - baby on the way

Hi All,

I told Sheri I wasn't planning on posting but started

reading the messages and saw some posts that made me

want to introduce myself. I am 8 weeks pregnant,

still very early, I know. My husband and I are very

excited, this is our first. However, I haven't even

scraped the surface of natural home health products

(how bad carpeting and mattresses are), cloth

diapering (how bad disposables are)and birthing

options (how bad drugs can be)and my fear is already

building about the pressure to vaccinate my baby. I

don't want to do it. We don't vaccinate our dogs so

we can't board them, take them on our Canadian

vacations or license them so they are illegal pups but

that seems easy compared to dealing with doctors,

schools and other parents pressuring/belittling us for

not wanting to vaccinate our child. Right now it is a

little overwhelming and I will continue to read the

messages and look for bits of advice and knowledge

about this topic. Does anyone know where can I find

out what the disease rates are in my area (Milwaukee,

WI)? As you can see, my signature is taylored for all

the pet lists I'm on which revolve around natural pet

care. Thanks in advance for any response.

=====

and Jade (GSD w/'s since 3/00)

Natural Raw Meat-Based Pet Food

http://www.companionnaturalpetfood.com/

K9 Natural Diets List Owner:

http://www./group/k9_natural_diets/

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I also wanted to add that I've found Milwaukee to be a pretty Non vaccine

friendly place. We found 2 " natural " type pediatricians that have no problems

with us not vaccinating. We are near 2 good classical homeopaths. The school

system has philosopohical exemptions so it's no problem. The two daycares I

used didn't blink an eye! We have several great midwives in the area that do

homebirths as well as many hospitals with midwifery. It's a lot to take in,

start reading Mothering Magazine. They are a great source of info too.

www.mothering.com

L.

Proud mom to Autumn 1-13-97 & Zoe 8-8-00

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Hi ,

I'm in the UK, but was recently recommended to this book, which I located on

BOL.com. They are UK-based but ship all over the world. I've included

below the review that a member of my parenting group did on it for you. The

link *should* take you to the title if it doesn't get too severely split. I

haven't read this one myself - my preference is The Vaccination Bible,

published by What Doctors Don't Tell You, www.wddty.co.uk. Only small

paperback but full of useful information and updated and revised regularly.

http://www.uk.bol.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/gb/-/GBP/BOL_Displ

ayProductInformation-Start;sid=5tdYg8iRz9taJfQfciqbxLqkNUlSxWU8u4c=?BOL_OWNE

R_ID=1001002000834577 & Section=BOOK

" ...the first book I bought about vaxing or not vaxing was: An Educated

Decision by Head ... she is a homeopath who treats both vaxed and

unvaxed children. The viewpoint of the book is very non judgemental .. the

back says: " Head is a professional homoepath with 15 years

exprince of working with children. This book is written from her

observations of vaccinated and unvaccinated children of all ages and

presents the why's and wherefore's of whether or not to vaccinate ... Aimed

at parents and health practitioners it gives a good explanation of what

homoepathy is and how it works and includes remedies that can be used during

an infection " (I didn't really notice this myself whn I read it though!)

.... " The childhood diseases are covered in detail with a look at the side

effects of each vaccination, including more information about the MMR and

the new C Strain Menigitis vaccine, and lots of case histories. There is

also a chapter on the immune system and finally the stories of 10 completely

unvaccinated children and how they have fared over the years. "

" The reason I would particularly recommend it....is the last part - the 10

case histories, which is written as informal interviews from parents of

unvaccinated children.

" Both dh and I found the book very reassuring when making our decision not

to vaccinate. It comes across like not vaccinating is the most ordinary

thing in the world. It totally convinced us that we were doing the right

thing. "

Congratulatoins on the pregnancy - hope all goes well for you.

HTH.

Love, light and peace,

Sue

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> oooh! Thanks! You guys have some great info - I am a book

> buyer/reader and will definitely check out your recommendations.

> Thanks again, I'm really enjoying reading the archives too.

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> > I encourage you buy the book 'how to rise a healthy child inspite

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> > your doctor (robert S. Mendelsohn, MD)

> > There are alternative choices for childbirth. Many women and babies

> > are damaged in hospital birth.. 1 in 4 women gets C section. That

> > makes 25 in 100...

> > you can visit http://www.unhinderedliving.com

> > and http://www.bestfed.com

> > and http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com

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joel,

we have two dogs and two cats. i've always tried to " selectively " vaccinate

our pets, as i didn't think there was any other way to get around it. i've

tried to find a more holistic vet practitioner, but wasn't able to in our

area (Bay Area, Ca). Also, our current vets have told us that if we chose

NOT to vaccinate our dogs with the rabies (and cats), and one of them bit

someone, the offending animal could be carted away by animal control.

I guess my question would be twofold, a) is this true, and if we chose

NOT to vaccinate any further, what would I need to do in case something like

this happened.

Kim

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