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Kathy,

I think you have hit the nail on the head!! I spoke recently to

Bernie Rimland. The conversation (of course) eventually turned to

mercury. He asked me if I thought all autistic children with no

identifiable syndromes were all mercury-poisoned. I told him that

I really didn't want to sound like a major loon, but I thought they

were, at least based on my testing of about 200 autistic children

so far. There was a long silence on the other end, and then he

said that he had reviewed a lot of the data himself, and had come to

exactly the same conclusion.

It appears that there is no difference in children " born " autistic

and those who were developing normally and then had a regression.

The only real difference may be the timing of the poisoning and

maybe some individual susceptibility.

I can tell you what I did to my son:

1. had 21 amalgam fillings in my mouth while I was pregnant

2. ate tuna at least 3 times a week while pregnant

3. use thimerosal-containing contact lens solution while pregnant.

4. he got all vaccines " on time " , all the ones that could have

possibly contained mercury did contain it.

Amy

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Subject: [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the

question?

Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm

If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I

believe

they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind

that

those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but

lets

make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they

were born

poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just

my

opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological

insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions

and

other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to

vaccines as

source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think

about

this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was

aspergers, and

another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for

mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of

mercury

toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are

Virally and

Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that?

Kathy

Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL

ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and

In

Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury

Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May

Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of

brain

neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and

disassembly of

biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on

the

ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also

found

in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a

neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with

both

in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the

ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative

evidence

that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical

reactions

involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15]

The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal

brain:

studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and

high-affinity receptors.

Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995)

ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve

growth

factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were

exposed to

two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic

days

E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the

postnatal

concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g

tissue

(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this

exposure

in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at

postnatal

days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from

sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF,

the

low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk,

respectively)

and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats

were

exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic

development

there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at

P21

accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The

expression

of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The

expression

of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in

the

diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus

(MS)

whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were

detectable

in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and

MS,

significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels

of

prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its

receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic

regulations

during development. "

This research shows that mercury from a woman’s amalgam fillings

crosses the

placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child.

According

to Professor Drasch, “ Well, I think the implications are serious. It

is a

question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of

dental

amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for

instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in

her

mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If

this

girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the

brain

of the child. It’s really the question that is being discussed in

Germany

right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women

from,

let me say, 15 to 50 years.” Learning disabilities also seem to be

characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the

body.

The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the

number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the

cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in

areas

of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg

was

quoted as saying, “There are no permissible limits on this. It is

known that

mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist.” In other

words,

there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level

of

mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs

because of

it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., “Mercury in the

central

nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings” Lakartidningen Vol.83,

Issue

7:519-521,1986.]

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< I can tell you what I did to my son:

1. had 21 amalgam fillings in my mouth while I was pregnant

2. ate tuna at least 3 times a week while pregnant

3. use thimerosal-containing contact lens solution while pregnant.

4. he got all vaccines " on time " , all the ones that could have

possibly contained mercury did contain it>

I also had amalgam fillings while pregnant.

I ate tuna on a daily basis not to mention Walleye from Lake Erie.

Used thimerosal contact lens solution until I realized that was wht was

causing my eyes to burn.

I had a flu shot while pregnant.

prior to prgenancy I recived a number of immunizations because I was a nurse

and worked in the home health field.

I used chemicals to clean my house which I have since learned Is should have

avoided!

My son then received , within hours of his birth, a hep b vaccine and

continued to give him the " recommended vaccines on schedule "

afetr each immunization he would scream for weeks.

I didn't put it together until his DPT booster which caused him to regress

and then I learned it contained thimerosal.

I once thought my son was " born " autistic, NOW I truely beleive he is a

mercury/vaccine injured child.

Donna :-(

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Wow Amy,

I am honored you think along the same lines as I :) I really believe, and

can add to that list my personal malathion nuking as a child and while

pregnant as also a source and I just found out where I lived back then there

was a mercury mine up in the hills in Alameda California. I also have a

mouthful, had vaccines on time, one before our marriage, and my husband went

oversees many times with flu shots and the whole lot of them. To be

sysinct, we were SUNK from the get go. I faxed your protocol to my neuro

and he is highly interested in treating my kids with your protocol.

Although he will have to forward me off to a specialist who is an

environmental physician. Is this the BEST person to see, or do they have a

mindsetl already of what works? To reinterate, my kids fit ALL the tables,

absolutely ALL of them are problems for them, scarry heh? I am also

interested in our discussion today of the alleles, for both my kids have the

c4b nulle allele, and my husband and I have half an allele on c4b.

Kathy

[ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the

>question?

>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm

>

>

>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I

>believe

>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind

>that

>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but

>lets

>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they

>were born

>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just

>my

>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological

>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions

>and

>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to

>vaccines as

>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think

>about

>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was

>aspergers, and

>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for

>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of

>mercury

>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are

>Virally and

>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that?

>Kathy

>

>

>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL

>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and

>In

>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury

>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May

>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of

>brain

>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and

>disassembly of

>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on

>the

>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also

>found

>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a

>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with

>both

>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the

>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative

>evidence

>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical

>reactions

>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15]

>

>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal

>brain:

>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and

>high-affinity receptors.

>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995)

>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve

>growth

>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were

>exposed to

>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic

>days

>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the

>postnatal

>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g

>tissue

>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this

>exposure

>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at

>postnatal

>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from

>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF,

>the

>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk,

>respectively)

>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats

>were

>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic

>development

>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at

>P21

>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The

>expression

>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The

>expression

>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in

>the

>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus

>(MS)

>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were

>detectable

>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and

>MS,

>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels

>of

>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its

>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic

>regulations

>during development. "

>

>This research shows that mercury from a woman’s amalgam fillings

>crosses the

>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child.

>According

>to Professor Drasch, “ Well, I think the implications are serious. It

>is a

>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of

>dental

>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for

>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in

>her

>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If

>this

>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the

>brain

>of the child. It’s really the question that is being discussed in

>Germany

>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women

>from,

>let me say, 15 to 50 years.” Learning disabilities also seem to be

>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the

>body.

>

>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the

>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the

>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in

>areas

>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg

>was

>quoted as saying, “There are no permissible limits on this. It is

>known that

>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist.” In other

>words,

>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level

>of

>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs

>because of

>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., “Mercury in the

>central

>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings” Lakartidningen Vol.83,

>Issue

>7:519-521,1986.]

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Kathy,

I don't think there is necessarily a best specialist to see. It is

whoever will help you deotx your kid, do it right, and keep safety

first.

Amy

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Subject: Re: [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is

the question?

Date: 08/29/2000 06:24pm

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Wow Amy,

I am honored you think along the same lines as I :) I really

believe, and

can add to that list my personal malathion nuking as a child and while

pregnant as also a source and I just found out where I lived back then

there

was a mercury mine up in the hills in Alameda California. I also have

a

mouthful, had vaccines on time, one before our marriage, and my

husband went

oversees many times with flu shots and the whole lot of them. To be

sysinct, we were SUNK from the get go. I faxed your protocol to my

neuro

and he is highly interested in treating my kids with your protocol.

Although he will have to forward me off to a specialist who is an

environmental physician. Is this the BEST person to see, or do they

have a

mindsetl already of what works? To reinterate, my kids fit ALL the

tables,

absolutely ALL of them are problems for them, scarry heh? I am also

interested in our discussion today of the alleles, for both my kids

have the

c4b nulle allele, and my husband and I have half an allele on c4b.

Kathy

[ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the

>question?

>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm

>

>

>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I

>believe

>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind

>that

>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but

>lets

>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they

>were born

>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just

>my

>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other

toxological

>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions

>and

>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to

>vaccines as

>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please

think

>about

>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was

>aspergers, and

>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways

for

>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of

>mercury

>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are

>Virally and

>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that?

>Kathy

>

>

>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL

>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro

and

>In

>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury

>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May

>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism

of

>brain

>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and

>disassembly of

>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on

>the

>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins

also

>found

>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43),

a

>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with

>both

>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the

>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative

>evidence

>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical

>reactions

>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15]

>

>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal

>brain:

>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and

>high-affinity receptors.

>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995)

>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve

>growth

>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were

>exposed to

>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either

embryonic

>days

>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the

>postnatal

>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g

>tissue

>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this

>exposure

>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at

>postnatal

>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls

from

>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF,

>the

>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk,

>respectively)

>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats

>were

>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic

>development

>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at

>P21

>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The

>expression

>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The

>expression

>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in

>the

>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus

>(MS)

>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were

>detectable

>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB

and

>MS,

>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels

>of

>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its

>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic

>regulations

>during development. "

>

>This research shows that mercury from a woman’s amalgam fillings

>crosses the

>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child.

>According

>to Professor Drasch, “ Well, I think the implications are serious. It

>is a

>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of

>dental

>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for

>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in

>her

>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If

>this

>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the

>brain

>of the child. It’s really the question that is being discussed in

>Germany

>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women

>from,

>let me say, 15 to 50 years.” Learning disabilities also seem to be

>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the

>body.

>

>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between

the

>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the

>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in

>areas

>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg

>was

>quoted as saying, “There are no permissible limits on this. It is

>known that

>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist.” In other

>words,

>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level

>of

>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs

>because of

>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., “Mercury in the

>central

>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings” Lakartidningen

Vol.83,

>Issue

>7:519-521,1986.]

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Ok, so I'm ready and willing to be converted, and also share

a " mercury-rich " history -- lots of fillings, lots of

vaccinations myself -- but only one of my 3 children is autistic, and

this remains my big question: WHY ONLY ONE??? All my kids

were born at home, in completely uncomplicated, unmedicated births.

All of them had good birth weights. We lived in the same place when

kid #1 and kid #2 (one NT and one autistic) were born. I'm just

really pounding my brain to know, if this is indeed mercury poisoning,

WHY only some kids of a certain set of parents are affected, when the

mercury-history, if you will, is almost identical. I did vaccinate

the autistic kid more than the others, but not much more... is that the

only thing that makes the difference? The autistic one is a boy and

the others are girls. Is this the only thing that tips the

balance? Either of these possibilities seems hard to believe.

I'm sure I'm not the only parent looking at multiple children and

wondering why the one who got the 'bullet' was the only one

affected...?

Btw, my husband had all his mercury fillings replaced with white ones

years ago, a couple years before we had kids. As far as I know, his

dentist didn't take any special precautions in doing this. Does

anyone know how this would have affected my hubbie's mercury levels and

for how long? He feels like it improved his health significantly to

have them removed, by the way. He did this long before it was

popular to, because he's a physicist, and the minute he heard that there

was mercury in fillings, he knew from all his science background this

wasn't a good thing to have in your body.

Terri

mom to Zane, 7yo hfa, who just started 2nd grade today - yikes!

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Wow Amy,

I am honored you think along the same lines as I :) I really

believe, and

can add to that list my personal malathion nuking as a child and

while

pregnant as also a source and I just found out where I lived back then

there

was a mercury mine up in the hills in Alameda California. I also

have a

mouthful, had vaccines on time, one before our marriage, and my husband

went

oversees many times with flu shots and the whole lot of them. To

be

sysinct, we were SUNK from the get go. I faxed your protocol to my

neuro

and he is highly interested in treating my kids with your protocol.

Although he will have to forward me off to a specialist who is an

environmental physician. Is this the BEST person to see, or do they

have a

mindsetl already of what works? To reinterate, my kids fit ALL the

tables,

absolutely ALL of them are problems for them, scarry heh? I am

also

interested in our discussion today of the alleles, for both my kids have

the

c4b nulle allele, and my husband and I have half an allele on c4b.

Kathy

[ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is

the

>question?

>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm

>

>

>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider

this. I

>believe

>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my

mind

>that

>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were,

but

>lets

>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as

they

>were born

>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below,

Just

>my

>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other

toxological

>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine

disuruptions

>and

>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point

to

>vaccines as

>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please

think

>about

>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so

was

>aspergers, and

>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways

for

>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working.

Susceptibility of

>mercury

>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are

>Virally and

>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that?

>Kathy

>

>

>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL

>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro

and

>In

>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury

>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May

>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism

of

>brain

>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and

>disassembly of

>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure

on

>the

>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins

also

>found

>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43),

a

>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate,

with

>both

>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits

the

>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct

quantitative

>evidence

>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical

>reactions

>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15]

>

>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal

>brain:

>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low-

and

>high-affinity receptors.

>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995)

>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of

nerve

>growth

>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were

>exposed to

>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either

embryonic

>days

>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the

>postnatal

>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4

ng/g

>tissue

>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of

this

>exposure

>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration

at

>postnatal

>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls

from

>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding

NGF,

>the

>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk,

>respectively)

>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When

rats

>were

>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic

>development

>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels

at

>P21

>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The

>expression

>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The

>expression

>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels

in

>the

>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal

nucleus

>(MS)

>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were

>detectable

>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB

and

>MS,

>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low

levels

>of

>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and

its

>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic

>regulations

>during development. "

>

>This research shows that mercury from a woman’s amalgam fillings

>crosses the

>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn

child.

>According

>to Professor Drasch, “ Well, I think the implications are serious.

It

>is a

>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application

of

>dental

>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If

for

>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies

in

>her

>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury.

If

>this

>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to

the

>brain

>of the child. It’s really the question that is being discussed

in

>Germany

>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for

women

>from,

>let me say, 15 to 50 years.” Learning disabilities also seem to

be

>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in

the

>body.

>

>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between

the

>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in

the

>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years

in

>areas

>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr.

Friberg

>was

>quoted as saying, “There are no permissible limits on this. It

is

>known that

>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist.” In

other

>words,

>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the

level

>of

>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage

occurs

>because of

>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., “Mercury in

the

>central

>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings” Lakartidningen

Vol.83,

>Issue

>7:519-521,1986.]

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So if major people in the autism world are convinced, why can we not get

some kind of recourse?? Aren't there enough of us out here worldwide to

start a class action suit or some kind of major media blitz? Don't people

have enough connections? I cannot for the life of me figure out why we've

had two major articles (Newsweek and Redbook) and neither one has mentioned

the mercury issue! It makes me want to scream to think about another kid

going into the clinic and being injected with mercury! Should we stand

outside the vaccine company headquarters holding signs and tie ourselves to

the flagpoles too?

My husband and I feel we should chelate all our kids (4), but there's no way

we can afford that. Shouldn't every child that was given a vaccine

containing thimeresol have at least the opportunity to be chelated? What

's the difference between spending money on LD teachers, therapy etc. or

spending money on chelating? One way is just coping, the other, perhaps a

partial cure, if not total. Let's do what makes economic and humanitarian

sense here! They recall tires that may be faulty--why not vaccines?

Barb

[ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the

>>question?

>>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm

>>

>>

>>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I

>>believe

>>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind

>>that

>>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but

>>lets

>>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they

>>were born

>>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just

>>my

>>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological

>>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions

>>and

>>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to

>>vaccines as

>>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think

>>about

>>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was

>>aspergers, and

>>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for

>>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of

>>mercury

>>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are

>>Virally and

>>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that?

>>Kathy

>>

>>

>>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL

>>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and

>>In

>>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury

>>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May

>>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of

>>brain

>>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and

>>disassembly of

>>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on

>>the

>>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also

>>found

>>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a

>>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with

>>both

>>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the

>>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative

>>evidence

>>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical

>>reactions

>>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15]

>>

>>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal

>>brain:

>>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and

>>high-affinity receptors.

>>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995)

>>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve

>>growth

>>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were

>>exposed to

>>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic

>>days

>>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the

>>postnatal

>>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g

>>tissue

>>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this

>>exposure

>>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at

>>postnatal

>>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from

>>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF,

>>the

>>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk,

>>respectively)

>>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats

>>were

>>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic

>>development

>>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at

>>P21

>>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The

>>expression

>>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The

>>expression

>>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in

>>the

>>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus

>>(MS)

>>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were

>>detectable

>>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and

>>MS,

>>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels

>>of

>>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its

>>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic

>>regulations

>>during development. "

>>

>>This research shows that mercury from a woman’s amalgam fillings

>>crosses the

>>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child.

>>According

>>to Professor Drasch, “ Well, I think the implications are serious. It

>>is a

>>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of

>>dental

>>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for

>>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in

>>her

>>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If

>>this

>>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the

>>brain

>>of the child. It’s really the question that is being discussed in

>>Germany

>>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women

>>from,

>>let me say, 15 to 50 years.” Learning disabilities also seem to be

>>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the

>>body.

>>

>>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the

>>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the

>>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in

>>areas

>>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg

>>was

>>quoted as saying, “There are no permissible limits on this. It is

>>known that

>>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist.” In other

>>words,

>>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level

>>of

>>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs

>>because of

>>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., “Mercury in the

>>central

>>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings” Lakartidningen Vol.83,

>>Issue

>>7:519-521,1986.]

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I told my husband about a month ago that it wouldn't be long before people

started looking into a class action law suit on this topic.

I am very interested in this subject of a class action law suit. Before

having my daughter, I was a paralegal for 12 years, so the law is " my thing "

if you know what I mean :o). I am especially interested in it now, as in

the past I always thought by daughter's autism was something she was born

with and that thimerosol just exacerbated it. However, now that I've

learned that she probably got a vaccine in the hospital before we went home,

I AM FURIOUS!!! I did not know this. Our daughter didn't have a sudden

regression, and in looking back has always exhibited " classic " autistic

behavior.

I'm too angry to speak about this right now. But, seeking recourse is not

out of the question.

Missy

[ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the

>>question?

>>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm

>>

>>

>>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I

>>believe

>>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind

>>that

>>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but

>>lets

>>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they

>>were born

>>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just

>>my

>>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological

>>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions

>>and

>>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to

>>vaccines as

>>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think

>>about

>>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was

>>aspergers, and

>>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for

>>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of

>>mercury

>>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are

>>Virally and

>>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that?

>>Kathy

>>

>>

>>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL

>>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and

>>In

>>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury

>>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May

>>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of

>>brain

>>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and

>>disassembly of

>>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on

>>the

>>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also

>>found

>>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a

>>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with

>>both

>>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the

>>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative

>>evidence

>>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical

>>reactions

>>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15]

>>

>>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal

>>brain:

>>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and

>>high-affinity receptors.

>>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995)

>>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve

>>growth

>>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were

>>exposed to

>>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic

>>days

>>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the

>>postnatal

>>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g

>>tissue

>>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this

>>exposure

>>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at

>>postnatal

>>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from

>>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF,

>>the

>>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk,

>>respectively)

>>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats

>>were

>>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic

>>development

>>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at

>>P21

>>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The

>>expression

>>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The

>>expression

>>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in

>>the

>>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus

>>(MS)

>>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were

>>detectable

>>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and

>>MS,

>>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels

>>of

>>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its

>>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic

>>regulations

>>during development. "

>>

>>This research shows that mercury from a woman's amalgam fillings

>>crosses the

>>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child.

>>According

>>to Professor Drasch, " Well, I think the implications are serious. It

>>is a

>>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of

>>dental

>>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for

>>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in

>>her

>>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If

>>this

>>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the

>>brain

>>of the child. It's really the question that is being discussed in

>>Germany

>>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women

>>from,

>>let me say, 15 to 50 years. " Learning disabilities also seem to be

>>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the

>>body.

>>

>>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the

>>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the

>>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in

>>areas

>>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg

>>was

>>quoted as saying, " There are no permissible limits on this. It is

>>known that

>>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist. " In other

>>words,

>>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level

>>of

>>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs

>>because of

>>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., " Mercury in the

>>central

>>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings " Lakartidningen Vol.83,

>>Issue

>>7:519-521,1986.]

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Re: [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the question?

Ok, so I'm ready and willing to be converted, and also share a "mercury-rich" history -- lots of fillings, lots of vaccinations myself -- but only one of my 3 children is autistic, and this remains my big question: WHY ONLY ONE??? All my kids were born at home, in completely uncomplicated, unmedicated births. All of them had good birth weights. We lived in the same place when kid #1 and kid #2 (one NT and one autistic) were born. I'm just really pounding my brain to know, if this is indeed mercury poisoning, WHY only some kids of a certain set of parents are affected, when the mercury-history, if you will, is almost identical. I did vaccinate the autistic kid more than the others, but not much more... is that the only thing that makes the difference? The autistic one is a boy and the others are girls. Is this the only thing that tips the balance? Either of these possibilities seems hard to believe. I'm sure I'm not the only parent looking at multiple children and wondering why the one who got the 'bullet' was the only one affected...? Btw, my husband had all his mercury fillings replaced with white ones years ago, a couple years before we had kids. As far as I know, his dentist didn't take any special precautions in doing this. Does anyone know how this would have affected my hubbie's mercury levels and for how long? He feels like it improved his health significantly to have them removed, by the way. He did this long before it was popular to, because he's a physicist, and the minute he heard that there was mercury in fillings, he knew from all his science background this wasn't a good thing to have in your body.Terrimom to Zane, 7yo hfa, who just started 2nd grade today - yikes!

Dear Terri,

No, you are not the only parent wondering why one child gets affected, and the others don't. A lot of us feel that way too.

Nobody knows why girls are less affected by autism than boys. Three times as many boys develop autism as girls. It's the 64 million dollar question. We do know, however, that different people have very different reactions to the same amount of mercury. Binstock over on the abmd list has posted some excellent articles about the fact that the sensitivity to mercury is wildly different in different people.

As for you husband, getting the mercury out did help, so he must have some sensitivity, but he was able to function. Usually in that case, the body shows mercury for a while, from weeks to months, and then the levels go down in the blood. There may be some left, stored away in the organs. Most of us in this world have some Hg, but it doesn't bother us much, or we don't connect our health problems to mercury. Others with a larger amount, or with more sensitivity can feel really terrible.

I'm really looking forward to the time when we know all the answers about Hg and how to get rid of it safely, and well. So very many of us will feel so much better.

Regards, Becky, mom to 26 year old Mike

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Barb,

Ditto here, Just let me know when and where for the sit in, tie up or

whatever. I'll be there! I've done every rational thing I could think of

to do, even filing a petition with FDA for a class 1 recall of all remaining

infant vaccines containing thimerosal. See attached! But, still no

response!

Lyn

[ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the

> >>question?

> >>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm

> >>

> >>

> >>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I

> >>believe

> >>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind

> >>that

> >>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but

> >>lets

> >>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they

> >>were born

> >>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just

> >>my

> >>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological

> >>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions

> >>and

> >>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to

> >>vaccines as

> >>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think

> >>about

> >>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was

> >>aspergers, and

> >>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for

> >>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of

> >>mercury

> >>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are

> >>Virally and

> >>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that?

> >>Kathy

> >>

> >>

> >>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL

> >>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and

> >>In

> >>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury

> >>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May

> >>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of

> >>brain

> >>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and

> >>disassembly of

> >>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on

> >>the

> >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also

> >>found

> >>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a

> >>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with

> >>both

> >>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the

> >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative

> >>evidence

> >>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical

> >>reactions

> >>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15]

> >>

> >>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal

> >>brain:

> >>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and

> >>high-affinity receptors.

> >>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995)

> >>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve

> >>growth

> >>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were

> >>exposed to

> >>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic

> >>days

> >>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the

> >>postnatal

> >>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g

> >>tissue

> >>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this

> >>exposure

> >>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at

> >>postnatal

> >>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from

> >>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF,

> >>the

> >>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk,

> >>respectively)

> >>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats

> >>were

> >>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic

> >>development

> >>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at

> >>P21

> >>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The

> >>expression

> >>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The

> >>expression

> >>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in

> >>the

> >>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus

> >>(MS)

> >>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were

> >>detectable

> >>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and

> >>MS,

> >>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels

> >>of

> >>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its

> >>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic

> >>regulations

> >>during development. "

> >>

> >>This research shows that mercury from a woman's amalgam fillings

> >>crosses the

> >>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child.

> >>According

> >>to Professor Drasch, " Well, I think the implications are serious. It

> >>is a

> >>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of

> >>dental

> >>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for

> >>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in

> >>her

> >>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If

> >>this

> >>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the

> >>brain

> >>of the child. It's really the question that is being discussed in

> >>Germany

> >>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women

> >>from,

> >>let me say, 15 to 50 years. " Learning disabilities also seem to be

> >>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the

> >>body.

> >>

> >>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the

> >>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the

> >>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in

> >>areas

> >>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg

> >>was

> >>quoted as saying, " There are no permissible limits on this. It is

> >>known that

> >>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist. " In other

> >>words,

> >>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level

> >>of

> >>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs

> >>because of

> >>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., " Mercury in the

> >>central

> >>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings " Lakartidningen Vol.83,

> >>Issue

> >>7:519-521,1986.]

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I also would love to get involved with a class action lawsuit. I don't

have a legal background so wouldn't be to much help!

If anyone knows of one starting please let me know!

Thanks,

Chris

On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:10:18 -0400 " M. "

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>

> I told my husband about a month ago that it wouldn't be long before

> people

> started looking into a class action law suit on this topic.

>

> I am very interested in this subject of a class action law suit.

> Before

> having my daughter, I was a paralegal for 12 years, so the law is

> " my thing "

> if you know what I mean :o). I am especially interested in it now,

> as in

> the past I always thought by daughter's autism was something she was

> born

> with and that thimerosol just exacerbated it. However, now that

> I've

> learned that she probably got a vaccine in the hospital before we

> went home,

> I AM FURIOUS!!! I did not know this. Our daughter didn't have a

> sudden

> regression, and in looking back has always exhibited " classic "

> autistic

> behavior.

>

> I'm too angry to speak about this right now. But, seeking recourse

> is not

> out of the question.

>

> Missy

>

> [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is

> the

> >>question?

> >>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm

> >>

> >>

> >>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this.

> I

> >>believe

> >>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my

> mind

> >>that

> >>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were,

> but

> >>lets

> >>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they

> >>were born

> >>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below,

> Just

> >>my

> >>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other

> toxological

> >>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine

> disuruptions

> >>and

> >>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to

> >>vaccines as

> >>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please

> think

> >>about

> >>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was

> >>aspergers, and

> >>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways

> for

> >>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of

> >>mercury

> >>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are

> >>Virally and

> >>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that?

> >>Kathy

> >>

> >>

> >>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL

> >>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro

> and

> >>In

> >>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury

> >>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May

> >>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the

> metabolism of

> >>brain

> >>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and

> >>disassembly of

> >>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure

> on

> >>the

> >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins

> also

> >>found

> >>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein

> (B-50/GAP-43), a

> >>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate,

> with

> >>both

> >>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the

> >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative

> >>evidence

> >>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical

> >>reactions

> >>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15]

> >>

> >>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal

> >>brain:

> >>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and

> >>high-affinity receptors.

> >>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995)

> >>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of

> nerve

> >>growth

> >>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were

> >>exposed to

> >>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either

> embryonic

> >>days

> >>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the

> >>postnatal

> >>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g

> >>tissue

> >>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this

> >>exposure

> >>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at

> >>postnatal

> >>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls

> from

> >>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding

> NGF,

> >>the

> >>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk,

> >>respectively)

> >>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When

> rats

> >>were

> >>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic

> >>development

> >>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels

> at

> >>P21

> >>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The

> >>expression

> >>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The

> >>expression

> >>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels

> in

> >>the

> >>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal

> nucleus

> >>(MS)

> >>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were

> >>detectable

> >>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB

> and

> >>MS,

> >>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low

> levels

> >>of

> >>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and

> its

> >>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic

> >>regulations

> >>during development. "

> >>

> >>This research shows that mercury from a woman's amalgam fillings

> >>crosses the

> >>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child.

> >>According

> >>to Professor Drasch, " Well, I think the implications are serious.

> It

> >>is a

> >>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of

> >>dental

> >>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If

> for

> >>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies

> in

> >>her

> >>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury.

> If

> >>this

> >>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to

> the

> >>brain

> >>of the child. It's really the question that is being discussed in

> >>Germany

> >>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for

> women

> >>from,

> >>let me say, 15 to 50 years. " Learning disabilities also seem to be

> >>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in

> the

> >>body.

> >>

> >>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between

> the

> >>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in

> the

> >>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years

> in

> >>areas

> >>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr.

> Friberg

> >>was

> >>quoted as saying, " There are no permissible limits on this. It is

> >>known that

> >>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist. " In

> other

> >>words,

> >>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the

> level

> >>of

> >>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs

> >>because of

> >>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., " Mercury in

> the

> >>central

> >>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings " Lakartidningen

> Vol.83,

> >>Issue

> >>7:519-521,1986.]

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Boys are more susceptible to low level mercury toxicity than girls.

Heidi

Ok, so I'm ready and willing to be converted, and also share a "mercury-rich" history -- lots of fillings, lots of vaccinations myself -- but only one of my 3 children is autistic, and this remains my big question: WHY ONLY ONE??? All my kids were born at home, in completely uncomplicated, unmedicated births. All of them had good birth weights. We lived in the same place when kid #1 and kid #2 (one NT and one autistic) were born. I'm just really pounding my brain to know, if this is indeed mercury poisoning, WHY only some kids of a certain set of parents are affected, when the mercury-history, if you will, is almost identical. I did vaccinate the autistic kid more than the others, but not much more... is that the only thing that makes the difference? The autistic one is a boy and the others are girls. Is this the only thing that tips the balance? Either of these possibilities seems hard to believe. I'm sure I'm not the only parent looking at multiple children and wondering why the one who got the 'bullet' was the only one affected...?

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Mercury affects boys about 4 times more??? than girls. I have four children---one ASD, and three NT, but after looking at the chart of mercury poisoning symptoms, I can see the others may have minor signs of poisoning as well. Things like migraines (my girls have had these for years) some obsessive traits, sensitivity to light and sound, going to sleep late and getting up late. These things are more pronounced in my other son than my daughters. So who knows? Yes, it may be personality, maybe? We'd like to do a hair test on all of them sometime.

Barb

[ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the>question?>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm>>>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I>believe>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind>that>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but>lets>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they>were born>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just>my>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions>and>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to>vaccines as>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think>about>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was>aspergers, and>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of>mercury>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are>Virally and>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that?>Kathy>>>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and>In>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of>brain>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and>disassembly of>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on>the>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also>found>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with>both>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative>evidence>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical>reactions>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15]>>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal>brain:>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and>high-affinity receptors.>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995)>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve>growth>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were>exposed to>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic>days>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the>postnatal>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g>tissue>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this>exposure>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at>postnatal>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF,>the>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk,>respectively)>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats>were>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic>development>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at>P21>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The>expression>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The>expression>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in>the>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus>(MS)>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were>detectable>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and>MS,>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels>of>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic>regulations>during development. " >>This research shows that mercury from a woman’s amalgam fillings>crosses the>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child.>According>to Professor Drasch, “ Well, I think the implications are serious. It>is a>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of>dental>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in>her>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If>this>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the>brain>of the child. It’s really the question that is being discussed in>Germany>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women>from,>let me say, 15 to 50 years.” Learning disabilities also seem to be>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the>body.>>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in>areas>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg>was>quoted as saying, “There are no permissible limits on this. It is>known that>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist.” In other>words,>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level>of>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs>because of>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., “Mercury in the>central>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings” Lakartidningen Vol.83,>Issue>7:519-521,1986.]><!--See my SuperSig:>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140-->><HTML><HEAD><TITLE>See my SuperSig:>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140</TITLE></HEAD><BODY>BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_n_360.gif " >BORDER=0><BR><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_w1_80.gif " >BORDER=0><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157045583618.gif " BORDER=0><A>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://home1.gte.net/jblanco2 & id=>450023>26_45002140 " ><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157061315664.gif " >BORDER=0></A><IMG>SRC= " /temp/45002140_10580_956175606.gif " BORDER=0><IMG>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_e1_80.gif " BORDER=0><BR><IMG>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_s_360.gif " BORDER=0><BR><A>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://supersig.com/?45002326_450>02140 & >id=45002326_45002140 " ><IMG>SRC= " http://supersig.com/images/sigmaker/button_getyours.gif " ALT= " get>your>supersig! 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Try to get on the VAERS list, this is at the moment our only recourse.

Precidence must be set, so hold on, England parents are doing that as we

speak (or hopefully). Not sure if that is based on mercury poisining rather

the immune problems/enterocolitis that exist, (but heh, they are all

interellated). We still have not PROVEN this theory yet, we are putting it

our there, and hoping CAN and other scientist will prove that vaccines are

causing this. I know, I want to personally scale the Merck and other lab

buildings, but realize that in NUMBERS our claims will be heard. It still

is a misunderstood disease (notice I say disease)....we have to still make

autism out in the forefrunt. Unfortunately, that will be a matter of time

until we have overburdening school systems who cannot handle the influx.

(they say it is there already). Also get involved in many studies to help

the effort. I am on the AGRE list (for multiplicity families), and often

donate our blood samples etc to researchers. Friends of mind on another

list are doing a campaign of putting things on cars in parking lots....I

know, hokey, but it probably will wake up at least one parent.

Kathy

[ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the

>>>question?

>>>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm

>>>

>>>

>>>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I

>>>believe

>>>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind

>>>that

>>>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but

>>>lets

>>>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they

>>>were born

>>>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just

>>>my

>>>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological

>>>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions

>>>and

>>>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to

>>>vaccines as

>>>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think

>>>about

>>>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was

>>>aspergers, and

>>>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for

>>>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of

>>>mercury

>>>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are

>>>Virally and

>>>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that?

>>>Kathy

>>>

>>>

>>>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL

>>>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and

>>>In

>>>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury

>>>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May

>>>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of

>>>brain

>>>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and

>>>disassembly of

>>>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on

>>>the

>>>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also

>>>found

>>>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a

>>>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with

>>>both

>>>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the

>>>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative

>>>evidence

>>>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical

>>>reactions

>>>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15]

>>>

>>>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal

>>>brain:

>>>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and

>>>high-affinity receptors.

>>>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995)

>>>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve

>>>growth

>>>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were

>>>exposed to

>>>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic

>>>days

>>>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the

>>>postnatal

>>>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g

>>>tissue

>>>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this

>>>exposure

>>>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at

>>>postnatal

>>>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from

>>>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF,

>>>the

>>>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk,

>>>respectively)

>>>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats

>>>were

>>>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic

>>>development

>>>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at

>>>P21

>>>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The

>>>expression

>>>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The

>>>expression

>>>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in

>>>the

>>>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus

>>>(MS)

>>>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were

>>>detectable

>>>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and

>>>MS,

>>>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels

>>>of

>>>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its

>>>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic

>>>regulations

>>>during development. "

>>>

>>>This research shows that mercury from a woman’s amalgam fillings

>>>crosses the

>>>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child.

>>>According

>>>to Professor Drasch, “ Well, I think the implications are serious. It

>>>is a

>>>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of

>>>dental

>>>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for

>>>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in

>>>her

>>>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If

>>>this

>>>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the

>>>brain

>>>of the child. It’s really the question that is being discussed in

>>>Germany

>>>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women

>>>from,

>>>let me say, 15 to 50 years.” Learning disabilities also seem to be

>>>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the

>>>body.

>>>

>>>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the

>>>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the

>>>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in

>>>areas

>>>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg

>>>was

>>>quoted as saying, “There are no permissible limits on this. It is

>>>known that

>>>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist.” In other

>>>words,

>>>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level

>>>of

>>>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs

>>>because of

>>>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., “Mercury in the

>>>central

>>>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings” Lakartidningen Vol.83,

>>>Issue

>>>7:519-521,1986.]

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What is the VAERS list?

Celia

[ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the

>>>>question?

>>>>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I

>>>>believe

>>>>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind

>>>>that

>>>>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but

>>>>lets

>>>>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they

>>>>were born

>>>>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just

>>>>my

>>>>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological

>>>>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions

>>>>and

>>>>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to

>>>>vaccines as

>>>>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think

>>>>about

>>>>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was

>>>>aspergers, and

>>>>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for

>>>>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of

>>>>mercury

>>>>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are

>>>>Virally and

>>>>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that?

>>>>Kathy

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL

>>>>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and

>>>>In

>>>>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury

>>>>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May

>>>>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of

>>>>brain

>>>>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and

>>>>disassembly of

>>>>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on

>>>>the

>>>>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also

>>>>found

>>>>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a

>>>>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with

>>>>both

>>>>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the

>>>>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative

>>>>evidence

>>>>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical

>>>>reactions

>>>>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15]

>>>>

>>>>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal

>>>>brain:

>>>>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and

>>>>high-affinity receptors.

>>>>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995)

>>>>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve

>>>>growth

>>>>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were

>>>>exposed to

>>>>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic

>>>>days

>>>>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the

>>>>postnatal

>>>>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g

>>>>tissue

>>>>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this

>>>>exposure

>>>>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at

>>>>postnatal

>>>>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from

>>>>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF,

>>>>the

>>>>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk,

>>>>respectively)

>>>>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats

>>>>were

>>>>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic

>>>>development

>>>>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at

>>>>P21

>>>>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The

>>>>expression

>>>>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The

>>>>expression

>>>>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in

>>>>the

>>>>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus

>>>>(MS)

>>>>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were

>>>>detectable

>>>>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and

>>>>MS,

>>>>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels

>>>>of

>>>>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its

>>>>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic

>>>>regulations

>>>>during development. "

>>>>

>>>>This research shows that mercury from a woman’s amalgam fillings

>>>>crosses the

>>>>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child.

>>>>According

>>>>to Professor Drasch, “ Well, I think the implications are serious. It

>>>>is a

>>>>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of

>>>>dental

>>>>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for

>>>>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in

>>>>her

>>>>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If

>>>>this

>>>>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the

>>>>brain

>>>>of the child. It’s really the question that is being discussed in

>>>>Germany

>>>>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women

>>>>from,

>>>>let me say, 15 to 50 years.” Learning disabilities also seem to be

>>>>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the

>>>>body.

>>>>

>>>>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the

>>>>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the

>>>>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in

>>>>areas

>>>>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg

>>>>was

>>>>quoted as saying, “There are no permissible limits on this. It is

>>>>known that

>>>>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist.” In other

>>>>words,

>>>>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level

>>>>of

>>>>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs

>>>>because of

>>>>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., “Mercury in the

>>>>central

>>>>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings” Lakartidningen Vol.83,

>>>>Issue

>>>>7:519-521,1986.]

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There's an attorney in WY(?) or MT(?) who helped with a class action suit

regarding a hot lot of vaccine several years ago (DPT, I think). I'll try

to remember to look it up in my rolodex. Never heard how the case came out.

I don't know anyone in on that one.

On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:10:18 -0400, egroups wrote:

> I told my husband about a month ago that it wouldn't be long before

people

> started looking into a class action law suit on this topic.

>

> I am very interested in this subject of a class action law suit. Before

> having my daughter, I was a paralegal for 12 years, so the law is " my

thing "

> if you know what I mean :o). I am especially interested in it now, as in

> the past I always thought by daughter's autism was something she was born

> with and that thimerosol just exacerbated it. However, now that I've

> learned that she probably got a vaccine in the hospital before we went

home,

> I AM FURIOUS!!! I did not know this. Our daughter didn't have a sudden

> regression, and in looking back has always exhibited " classic " autistic

> behavior.

>

> I'm too angry to speak about this right now. But, seeking recourse is

not

> out of the question.

>

> Missy

>

> [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the

> >>question?

> >>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm

> >>

> >>

> >>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I

> >>believe

> >>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind

> >>that

> >>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but

> >>lets

> >>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they

> >>were born

> >>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just

> >>my

> >>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological

> >>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions

> >>and

> >>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to

> >>vaccines as

> >>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think

> >>about

> >>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was

> >>aspergers, and

> >>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for

> >>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of

> >>mercury

> >>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are

> >>Virally and

> >>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that?

> >>Kathy

> >>

> >>

> >>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL

> >>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and

> >>In

> >>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury

> >>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May

> >>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of

> >>brain

> >>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and

> >>disassembly of

> >>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on

> >>the

> >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also

> >>found

> >>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a

> >>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with

> >>both

> >>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the

> >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative

> >>evidence

> >>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical

> >>reactions

> >>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15]

> >>

> >>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal

> >>brain:

> >>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and

> >>high-affinity receptors.

> >>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995)

> >>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve

> >>growth

> >>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were

> >>exposed to

> >>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic

> >>days

> >>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the

> >>postnatal

> >>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g

> >>tissue

> >>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this

> >>exposure

> >>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at

> >>postnatal

> >>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from

> >>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF,

> >>the

> >>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk,

> >>respectively)

> >>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats

> >>were

> >>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic

> >>development

> >>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at

> >>P21

> >>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The

> >>expression

> >>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The

> >>expression

> >>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in

> >>the

> >>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus

> >>(MS)

> >>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were

> >>detectable

> >>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and

> >>MS,

> >>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels

> >>of

> >>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its

> >>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic

> >>regulations

> >>during development. "

> >>

> >>This research shows that mercury from a woman's amalgam fillings

> >>crosses the

> >>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child.

> >>According

> >>to Professor Drasch, " Well, I think the implications are serious. It

> >>is a

> >>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of

> >>dental

> >>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for

> >>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in

> >>her

> >>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If

> >>this

> >>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the

> >>brain

> >>of the child. It's really the question that is being discussed in

> >>Germany

> >>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women

> >>from,

> >>let me say, 15 to 50 years. " Learning disabilities also seem to be

> >>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the

> >>body.

> >>

> >>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the

> >>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the

> >>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in

> >>areas

> >>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg

> >>was

> >>quoted as saying, " There are no permissible limits on this. It is

> >>known that

> >>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist. " In other

> >>words,

> >>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level

> >>of

> >>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs

> >>because of

> >>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., " Mercury in the

> >>central

> >>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings " Lakartidningen Vol.83,

> >>Issue

> >>7:519-521,1986.]

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I would be interested in the year 1982, reportadly the same time 20 20 came

out with a journalism piece on pertussis giving kids brain damage, and the

same year my son got his DPT poisin

Kathy

Re: [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the

question?

>

>There's an attorney in WY(?) or MT(?) who helped with a class action suit

>regarding a hot lot of vaccine several years ago (DPT, I think). I'll try

>to remember to look it up in my rolodex. Never heard how the case came

out.

>I don't know anyone in on that one.

>

>

>

>On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:10:18 -0400, egroups wrote:

>

>> I told my husband about a month ago that it wouldn't be long before

>people

>> started looking into a class action law suit on this topic.

>>

>> I am very interested in this subject of a class action law suit. Before

>> having my daughter, I was a paralegal for 12 years, so the law is " my

>thing "

>> if you know what I mean :o). I am especially interested in it now, as

in

>> the past I always thought by daughter's autism was something she was

born

>> with and that thimerosol just exacerbated it. However, now that I've

>> learned that she probably got a vaccine in the hospital before we went

>home,

>> I AM FURIOUS!!! I did not know this. Our daughter didn't have a sudden

>> regression, and in looking back has always exhibited " classic " autistic

>> behavior.

>>

>> I'm too angry to speak about this right now. But, seeking recourse is

>not

>> out of the question.

>>

>> Missy

>>

>> [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the

>> >>question?

>> >>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I

>> >>believe

>> >>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind

>> >>that

>> >>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but

>> >>lets

>> >>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they

>> >>were born

>> >>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just

>> >>my

>> >>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological

>> >>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions

>> >>and

>> >>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to

>> >>vaccines as

>> >>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think

>> >>about

>> >>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was

>> >>aspergers, and

>> >>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for

>> >>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of

>> >>mercury

>> >>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are

>> >>Virally and

>> >>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that?

>> >>Kathy

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL

>> >>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and

>> >>In

>> >>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury

>> >>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May

>> >>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of

>> >>brain

>> >>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and

>> >>disassembly of

>> >>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on

>> >>the

>> >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also

>> >>found

>> >>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a

>> >>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with

>> >>both

>> >>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the

>> >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative

>> >>evidence

>> >>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical

>> >>reactions

>> >>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15]

>> >>

>> >>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal

>> >>brain:

>> >>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and

>> >>high-affinity receptors.

>> >>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995)

>> >>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve

>> >>growth

>> >>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were

>> >>exposed to

>> >>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic

>> >>days

>> >>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the

>> >>postnatal

>> >>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g

>> >>tissue

>> >>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this

>> >>exposure

>> >>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at

>> >>postnatal

>> >>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from

>> >>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF,

>> >>the

>> >>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk,

>> >>respectively)

>> >>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats

>> >>were

>> >>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic

>> >>development

>> >>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at

>> >>P21

>> >>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The

>> >>expression

>> >>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The

>> >>expression

>> >>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in

>> >>the

>> >>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus

>> >>(MS)

>> >>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were

>> >>detectable

>> >>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and

>> >>MS,

>> >>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels

>> >>of

>> >>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its

>> >>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic

>> >>regulations

>> >>during development. "

>> >>

>> >>This research shows that mercury from a woman's amalgam fillings

>> >>crosses the

>> >>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child.

>> >>According

>> >>to Professor Drasch, " Well, I think the implications are serious. It

>> >>is a

>> >>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of

>> >>dental

>> >>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for

>> >>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in

>> >>her

>> >>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If

>> >>this

>> >>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the

>> >>brain

>> >>of the child. It's really the question that is being discussed in

>> >>Germany

>> >>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women

>> >>from,

>> >>let me say, 15 to 50 years. " Learning disabilities also seem to be

>> >>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the

>> >>body.

>> >>

>> >>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the

>> >>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the

>> >>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in

>> >>areas

>> >>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg

>> >>was

>> >>quoted as saying, " There are no permissible limits on this. It is

>> >>known that

>> >>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist. " In other

>> >>words,

>> >>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level

>> >>of

>> >>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs

>> >>because of

>> >>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., " Mercury in the

>> >>central

>> >>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings " Lakartidningen Vol.83,

>> >>Issue

>> >>7:519-521,1986.]

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Hi.. my son received his first DPT in 1991. My questions is.....what is the

difference in the DPT vaccine and the DTaP? He received the DPT the first

two times and the last one on his records was DTaP. Just

curious........Thanks..

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DTaP is the acellular version of the pertussis vaccine,

which I believe they are using as standard now. It is a 'cleaner'

version, which was first used in Japan, and doesn't contain so much

extraneous organic stuff, as I understand it. Supposed to have

fewer side effects than the regular pertussis vaccine which used to be

used exclusively. When my daughter was born in 1991, I remember had

to request it specifically.

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is.....what is the

difference in the DPT vaccine and the DTaP? He received

the DPT the first

two times and the last one on his records was DTaP. Just

curious........Thanks..

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The DPT was in need of some modifications, therefore the DPaT was

invented. I would suggest going to http://www.909shot.com/ there

you will find the information, or I am sure they could point you to the

proper studies.

I am truly sorry that you are finding all of this out as we did, after a

child is injured.

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More specifically on the DPT go to the web site , talks about certain

lot numbers of the DPT.

http://www.909shot.com/hotlots.htm

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> proper studies.

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> child is injured.

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I keep wondering where " our " kids with mercury issues fall in the birth

order. I would guess that all other factors equal, the firstborn would have

higher potential exposure via the mother since the mother has 20-35+ years

accumulated exposure of her own (from vaccines, dental fillings, fish,

environment, etc).

If mother has no new exposure between the birth of the children, and for

example, passes 25% of her mercury load on to child #1, then mother has 25%

less mercury load to which child #2 has " access " and so on. Of course we

don't really know what exactly determines how much of the mercury burden any

given child takes on. I also wonder about miscarriages, and stillborn

children. I don't mean to sound uncaring or clinical but does Mother

Nature/God (or whatever you choose to call the higher power/creative force)

sometimes use those pregnancies as a means of " cleaning house " (detoxing the

mother) for the next child? Actually firstborn or firstborn son would

probably give us a more accurate picture since we would need to factor in

the male as the " weaker " sex factor (shorter average lifespan, higher

incidence of infant mortality, etc.)

My nephew with autism is firstborn and followed a miscarriage. Of the two I

volunteered with: one firstborn and one only and therefore also firstborn.

Although with the 5 with whom I currently work none is firstborn.

Curious,

> Mercury affects boys about 4 times more??? than girls. I have four

children---one ASD, and three NT, but after looking at the chart of mercury

poisoning symptoms, I can see the others may have minor signs of poisoning

as well. Things like migraines (my girls have had these for years) some

obsessive traits, sensitivity to light and sound, going to sleep late and

getting up late. These things are more pronounced in my other son than my

daughters. So who knows? Yes, it may be personality, maybe? We'd like to

do a hair test on all of them sometime.

> Barb

> Re: [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the

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>

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> Ok, so I'm ready and willing to be converted, and also share a

" mercury-rich " history -- lots of fillings, lots of vaccinations myself --

but only one of my 3 children is autistic, and this remains my big question:

WHY ONLY ONE??? All my kids were born at home, in completely uncomplicated,

unmedicated births. All of them had good birth weights. We lived in the

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I have wondered some of these same things. My daughter was firstborn,

typical with no issues. I then miscarried when she was 7 months old. Then

Hunter was born 10 months later.

Carol G

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