Guest guest Posted August 29, 2000 Report Share Posted August 29, 2000 Kathy, I think you have hit the nail on the head!! I spoke recently to Bernie Rimland. The conversation (of course) eventually turned to mercury. He asked me if I thought all autistic children with no identifiable syndromes were all mercury-poisoned. I told him that I really didn't want to sound like a major loon, but I thought they were, at least based on my testing of about 200 autistic children so far. There was a long silence on the other end, and then he said that he had reviewed a lot of the data himself, and had come to exactly the same conclusion. It appears that there is no difference in children " born " autistic and those who were developing normally and then had a regression. The only real difference may be the timing of the poisoning and maybe some individual susceptibility. I can tell you what I did to my son: 1. had 21 amalgam fillings in my mouth while I was pregnant 2. ate tuna at least 3 times a week while pregnant 3. use thimerosal-containing contact lens solution while pregnant. 4. he got all vaccines " on time " , all the ones that could have possibly contained mercury did contain it. Amy ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: " Jim Blanco " <kblanco@...> Subject: [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the question? Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I believe they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind that those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but lets make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they were born poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just my opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions and other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to vaccines as source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think about this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was aspergers, and another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of mercury toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are Virally and Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that? Kathy Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and In Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of brain neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and disassembly of biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on the ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also found in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with both in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative evidence that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical reactions involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15] The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal brain: studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and high-affinity receptors. Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995) ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve growth factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were exposed to two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic days E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the postnatal concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g tissue (low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this exposure in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at postnatal days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF, the low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk, respectively) and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats were exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic development there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at P21 accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The expression of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The expression of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in the diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus (MS) whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were detectable in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and MS, significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels of prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic regulations during development. " This research shows that mercury from a woman’s amalgam fillings crosses the placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child. According to Professor Drasch, “ Well, I think the implications are serious. It is a question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of dental amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in her mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If this girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the brain of the child. It’s really the question that is being discussed in Germany right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women from, let me say, 15 to 50 years.” Learning disabilities also seem to be characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the body. The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in areas of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg was quoted as saying, “There are no permissible limits on this. It is known that mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist.” In other words, there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level of mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs because of it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., “Mercury in the central nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings” Lakartidningen Vol.83, Issue 7:519-521,1986.] <!--See my SuperSig: http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140--> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>See my SuperSig: http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140</TITLE></HEAD><BODY BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_n_360.gif " BORDER=0><BR><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_w1_80.gif " BORDER=0><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157045583618.gif " BORDER=0><A HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://home1.gte.net/jblanco2 & id= 450023 26_45002140 " ><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157061315664.gif " BORDER=0></A><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_10580_956175606.gif " BORDER=0><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_e1_80.gif " BORDER=0><BR><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_s_360.gif " BORDER=0><BR><A HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://supersig.com/?45002326_450 02140 & id=45002326_45002140 " ><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/images/sigmaker/button_getyours.gif " ALT= " get your supersig! 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Guest guest Posted August 29, 2000 Report Share Posted August 29, 2000 < I can tell you what I did to my son: 1. had 21 amalgam fillings in my mouth while I was pregnant 2. ate tuna at least 3 times a week while pregnant 3. use thimerosal-containing contact lens solution while pregnant. 4. he got all vaccines " on time " , all the ones that could have possibly contained mercury did contain it> I also had amalgam fillings while pregnant. I ate tuna on a daily basis not to mention Walleye from Lake Erie. Used thimerosal contact lens solution until I realized that was wht was causing my eyes to burn. I had a flu shot while pregnant. prior to prgenancy I recived a number of immunizations because I was a nurse and worked in the home health field. I used chemicals to clean my house which I have since learned Is should have avoided! My son then received , within hours of his birth, a hep b vaccine and continued to give him the " recommended vaccines on schedule " afetr each immunization he would scream for weeks. I didn't put it together until his DPT booster which caused him to regress and then I learned it contained thimerosal. I once thought my son was " born " autistic, NOW I truely beleive he is a mercury/vaccine injured child. Donna :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2000 Report Share Posted August 30, 2000 Wow Amy, I am honored you think along the same lines as I I really believe, and can add to that list my personal malathion nuking as a child and while pregnant as also a source and I just found out where I lived back then there was a mercury mine up in the hills in Alameda California. I also have a mouthful, had vaccines on time, one before our marriage, and my husband went oversees many times with flu shots and the whole lot of them. To be sysinct, we were SUNK from the get go. I faxed your protocol to my neuro and he is highly interested in treating my kids with your protocol. Although he will have to forward me off to a specialist who is an environmental physician. Is this the BEST person to see, or do they have a mindsetl already of what works? To reinterate, my kids fit ALL the tables, absolutely ALL of them are problems for them, scarry heh? I am also interested in our discussion today of the alleles, for both my kids have the c4b nulle allele, and my husband and I have half an allele on c4b. Kathy [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the >question? >Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm > > >If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I >believe >they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind >that >those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but >lets >make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they >were born >poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just >my >opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological >insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions >and >other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to >vaccines as >source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think >about >this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was >aspergers, and >another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for >mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of >mercury >toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are >Virally and >Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that? >Kathy > > >Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL >ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and >In >Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury >Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May >Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of >brain >neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and >disassembly of >biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on >the >ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also >found >in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a >neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with >both >in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the >ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative >evidence >that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical >reactions >involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15] > >The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal >brain: >studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and >high-affinity receptors. >Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995) >ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve >growth >factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were >exposed to >two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic >days >E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the >postnatal >concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g >tissue >(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this >exposure >in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at >postnatal >days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from >sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF, >the >low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk, >respectively) >and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats >were >exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic >development >there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at >P21 >accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The >expression >of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The >expression >of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in >the >diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus >(MS) >whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were >detectable >in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and >MS, >significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels >of >prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its >receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic >regulations >during development. " > >This research shows that mercury from a woman’s amalgam fillings >crosses the >placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child. >According >to Professor Drasch, “ Well, I think the implications are serious. It >is a >question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of >dental >amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for >instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in >her >mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If >this >girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the >brain >of the child. It’s really the question that is being discussed in >Germany >right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women >from, >let me say, 15 to 50 years.” Learning disabilities also seem to be >characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the >body. > >The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the >number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the >cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in >areas >of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg >was >quoted as saying, “There are no permissible limits on this. It is >known that >mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist.” In other >words, >there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level >of >mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs >because of >it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., “Mercury in the >central >nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings” Lakartidningen Vol.83, >Issue >7:519-521,1986.] ><!--See my SuperSig: >http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140--> ><HTML><HEAD><TITLE>See my SuperSig: >http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140</TITLE></HEAD><BODY >BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_n_360.gif " >BORDER=0><BR><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_w1_80.gif " >BORDER=0><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157045583618.gif " BORDER=0><A >HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://home1.gte.net/jblanco2 & id= >450023 >26_45002140 " ><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157061315664.gif " >BORDER=0></A><IMG >SRC= " /temp/45002140_10580_956175606.gif " BORDER=0><IMG >SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_e1_80.gif " BORDER=0><BR><IMG >SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_s_360.gif " BORDER=0><BR><A >HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://supersig.com/?45002326_450 >02140 & >id=45002326_45002140 " ><IMG >SRC= " http://supersig.com/images/sigmaker/button_getyours.gif " ALT= " get >your >supersig! 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Guest guest Posted August 30, 2000 Report Share Posted August 30, 2000 Kathy, I don't think there is necessarily a best specialist to see. It is whoever will help you deotx your kid, do it right, and keep safety first. Amy ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: " Jim Blanco " <kblanco@...> Subject: Re: [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the question? Date: 08/29/2000 06:24pm -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates of 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Ongoing APR* and no annual fee! Apply NOW! 1/7872/9/_/705339/_/967598104/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_ -> Wow Amy, I am honored you think along the same lines as I I really believe, and can add to that list my personal malathion nuking as a child and while pregnant as also a source and I just found out where I lived back then there was a mercury mine up in the hills in Alameda California. I also have a mouthful, had vaccines on time, one before our marriage, and my husband went oversees many times with flu shots and the whole lot of them. To be sysinct, we were SUNK from the get go. I faxed your protocol to my neuro and he is highly interested in treating my kids with your protocol. Although he will have to forward me off to a specialist who is an environmental physician. Is this the BEST person to see, or do they have a mindsetl already of what works? To reinterate, my kids fit ALL the tables, absolutely ALL of them are problems for them, scarry heh? I am also interested in our discussion today of the alleles, for both my kids have the c4b nulle allele, and my husband and I have half an allele on c4b. Kathy [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the >question? >Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm > > >If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I >believe >they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind >that >those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but >lets >make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they >were born >poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just >my >opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological >insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions >and >other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to >vaccines as >source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think >about >this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was >aspergers, and >another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for >mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of >mercury >toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are >Virally and >Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that? >Kathy > > >Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL >ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and >In >Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury >Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May >Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of >brain >neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and >disassembly of >biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on >the >ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also >found >in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a >neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with >both >in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the >ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative >evidence >that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical >reactions >involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15] > >The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal >brain: >studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and >high-affinity receptors. >Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995) >ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve >growth >factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were >exposed to >two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic >days >E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the >postnatal >concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g >tissue >(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this >exposure >in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at >postnatal >days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from >sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF, >the >low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk, >respectively) >and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats >were >exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic >development >there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at >P21 >accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The >expression >of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The >expression >of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in >the >diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus >(MS) >whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were >detectable >in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and >MS, >significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels >of >prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its >receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic >regulations >during development. " > >This research shows that mercury from a woman’s amalgam fillings >crosses the >placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child. >According >to Professor Drasch, “ Well, I think the implications are serious. It >is a >question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of >dental >amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for >instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in >her >mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If >this >girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the >brain >of the child. It’s really the question that is being discussed in >Germany >right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women >from, >let me say, 15 to 50 years.” Learning disabilities also seem to be >characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the >body. > >The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the >number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the >cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in >areas >of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg >was >quoted as saying, “There are no permissible limits on this. It is >known that >mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist.” In other >words, >there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level >of >mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs >because of >it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., “Mercury in the >central >nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings” Lakartidningen Vol.83, >Issue >7:519-521,1986.] ><!--See my SuperSig: >http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140--> ><HTML><HEAD><TITLE>See my SuperSig: >http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140</TITLE></HEAD><BODY >BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_n_360.gif " >BORDER=0><BR><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_w1_80.gif " >BORDER=0><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157045583618.gif " BORDER=0><A >HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://home1.gte.net/jblanco2 & id = >450023 >26_45002140 " ><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157061315664.gif " >BORDER=0></A><IMG >SRC= " /temp/45002140_10580_956175606.gif " BORDER=0><IMG >SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_e1_80.gif " BORDER=0><BR><IMG >SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_s_360.gif " BORDER=0><BR><A >HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://supersig.com/?45002326_45 0 >02140 & >id=45002326_45002140 " ><IMG >SRC= " http://supersig.com/images/sigmaker/button_getyours.gif " ALT= " get >your >supersig! 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Guest guest Posted August 30, 2000 Report Share Posted August 30, 2000 Ok, so I'm ready and willing to be converted, and also share a " mercury-rich " history -- lots of fillings, lots of vaccinations myself -- but only one of my 3 children is autistic, and this remains my big question: WHY ONLY ONE??? All my kids were born at home, in completely uncomplicated, unmedicated births. All of them had good birth weights. We lived in the same place when kid #1 and kid #2 (one NT and one autistic) were born. I'm just really pounding my brain to know, if this is indeed mercury poisoning, WHY only some kids of a certain set of parents are affected, when the mercury-history, if you will, is almost identical. I did vaccinate the autistic kid more than the others, but not much more... is that the only thing that makes the difference? The autistic one is a boy and the others are girls. Is this the only thing that tips the balance? Either of these possibilities seems hard to believe. I'm sure I'm not the only parent looking at multiple children and wondering why the one who got the 'bullet' was the only one affected...? Btw, my husband had all his mercury fillings replaced with white ones years ago, a couple years before we had kids. As far as I know, his dentist didn't take any special precautions in doing this. Does anyone know how this would have affected my hubbie's mercury levels and for how long? He feels like it improved his health significantly to have them removed, by the way. He did this long before it was popular to, because he's a physicist, and the minute he heard that there was mercury in fillings, he knew from all his science background this wasn't a good thing to have in your body. Terri mom to Zane, 7yo hfa, who just started 2nd grade today - yikes! At 06:24 PM 8/29/00 -0700, Jim Blanco wrote: -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates of 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Ongoing APR* and no annual fee! Apply NOW! 1/7872/9/_/705339/_/967598104/ --------------------------------------------------------------------> Wow Amy, I am honored you think along the same lines as I I really believe, and can add to that list my personal malathion nuking as a child and while pregnant as also a source and I just found out where I lived back then there was a mercury mine up in the hills in Alameda California. I also have a mouthful, had vaccines on time, one before our marriage, and my husband went oversees many times with flu shots and the whole lot of them. To be sysinct, we were SUNK from the get go. I faxed your protocol to my neuro and he is highly interested in treating my kids with your protocol. Although he will have to forward me off to a specialist who is an environmental physician. Is this the BEST person to see, or do they have a mindsetl already of what works? To reinterate, my kids fit ALL the tables, absolutely ALL of them are problems for them, scarry heh? I am also interested in our discussion today of the alleles, for both my kids have the c4b nulle allele, and my husband and I have half an allele on c4b. Kathy [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the >question? >Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm > > >If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I >believe >they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind >that >those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but >lets >make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they >were born >poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just >my >opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological >insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions >and >other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to >vaccines as >source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think >about >this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was >aspergers, and >another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for >mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of >mercury >toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are >Virally and >Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that? >Kathy > > >Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL >ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and >In >Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury >Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May >Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of >brain >neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and >disassembly of >biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on >the >ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also >found >in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a >neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with >both >in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the >ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative >evidence >that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical >reactions >involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15] > >The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal >brain: >studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and >high-affinity receptors. >Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995) >ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve >growth >factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were >exposed to >two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic >days >E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the >postnatal >concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g >tissue >(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this >exposure >in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at >postnatal >days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from >sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF, >the >low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk, >respectively) >and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats >were >exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic >development >there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at >P21 >accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The >expression >of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The >expression >of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in >the >diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus >(MS) >whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were >detectable >in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and >MS, >significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels >of >prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its >receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic >regulations >during development. " > >This research shows that mercury from a woman’s amalgam fillings >crosses the >placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child. >According >to Professor Drasch, “ Well, I think the implications are serious. It >is a >question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of >dental >amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for >instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in >her >mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If >this >girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the >brain >of the child. It’s really the question that is being discussed in >Germany >right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women >from, >let me say, 15 to 50 years.” Learning disabilities also seem to be >characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the >body. > >The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the >number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the >cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in >areas >of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg >was >quoted as saying, “There are no permissible limits on this. It is >known that >mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist.” In other >words, >there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level >of >mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs >because of >it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., “Mercury in the >central >nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings” Lakartidningen Vol.83, >Issue >7:519-521,1986.] ><!--See my SuperSig: >http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140--> ><HTML><HEAD><TITLE>See my SuperSig: >http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140</TITLE></HEAD><BODY >BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_n_360.gif " >BORDER=0><BR><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_w1_80.gif " >BORDER=0><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157045583618.gif " BORDER=0><A >HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://home1.gte.net/jblanco2 & id= >450023 >26_45002140 " ><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157061315664.gif " >BORDER=0></A><IMG >SRC= " /temp/45002140_10580_956175606.gif " BORDER=0><IMG >SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_e1_80.gif " BORDER=0><BR><IMG >SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_s_360.gif " BORDER=0><BR><A >HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://supersig.com/?45002326_450 >02140 & >id=45002326_45002140 " ><IMG >SRC= " http://supersig.com/images/sigmaker/button_getyours.gif " ALT= " get >your >supersig! 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Guest guest Posted August 30, 2000 Report Share Posted August 30, 2000 So if major people in the autism world are convinced, why can we not get some kind of recourse?? Aren't there enough of us out here worldwide to start a class action suit or some kind of major media blitz? Don't people have enough connections? I cannot for the life of me figure out why we've had two major articles (Newsweek and Redbook) and neither one has mentioned the mercury issue! It makes me want to scream to think about another kid going into the clinic and being injected with mercury! Should we stand outside the vaccine company headquarters holding signs and tie ourselves to the flagpoles too? My husband and I feel we should chelate all our kids (4), but there's no way we can afford that. Shouldn't every child that was given a vaccine containing thimeresol have at least the opportunity to be chelated? What 's the difference between spending money on LD teachers, therapy etc. or spending money on chelating? One way is just coping, the other, perhaps a partial cure, if not total. Let's do what makes economic and humanitarian sense here! They recall tires that may be faulty--why not vaccines? Barb [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the >>question? >>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm >> >> >>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I >>believe >>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind >>that >>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but >>lets >>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they >>were born >>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just >>my >>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological >>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions >>and >>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to >>vaccines as >>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think >>about >>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was >>aspergers, and >>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for >>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of >>mercury >>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are >>Virally and >>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that? >>Kathy >> >> >>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL >>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and >>In >>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury >>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May >>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of >>brain >>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and >>disassembly of >>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on >>the >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also >>found >>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a >>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with >>both >>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative >>evidence >>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical >>reactions >>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15] >> >>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal >>brain: >>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and >>high-affinity receptors. >>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995) >>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve >>growth >>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were >>exposed to >>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic >>days >>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the >>postnatal >>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g >>tissue >>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this >>exposure >>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at >>postnatal >>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from >>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF, >>the >>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk, >>respectively) >>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats >>were >>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic >>development >>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at >>P21 >>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The >>expression >>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The >>expression >>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in >>the >>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus >>(MS) >>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were >>detectable >>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and >>MS, >>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels >>of >>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its >>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic >>regulations >>during development. " >> >>This research shows that mercury from a woman’s amalgam fillings >>crosses the >>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child. >>According >>to Professor Drasch, “ Well, I think the implications are serious. It >>is a >>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of >>dental >>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for >>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in >>her >>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If >>this >>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the >>brain >>of the child. It’s really the question that is being discussed in >>Germany >>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women >>from, >>let me say, 15 to 50 years.” Learning disabilities also seem to be >>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the >>body. >> >>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the >>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the >>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in >>areas >>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg >>was >>quoted as saying, “There are no permissible limits on this. It is >>known that >>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist.” In other >>words, >>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level >>of >>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs >>because of >>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., “Mercury in the >>central >>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings” Lakartidningen Vol.83, >>Issue >>7:519-521,1986.] >><!--See my SuperSig: >>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140--> >><HTML><HEAD><TITLE>See my SuperSig: >>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140</TITLE></HEAD><BODY >>BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_n_360.gif " >>BORDER=0><BR><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_w1_80.gif " >>BORDER=0><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157045583618.gif " BORDER=0><A >>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://home1.gte.net/jblanco2 & id= >>450023 >>26_45002140 " ><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157061315664.gif " >>BORDER=0></A><IMG >>SRC= " /temp/45002140_10580_956175606.gif " BORDER=0><IMG >>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_e1_80.gif " BORDER=0><BR><IMG >>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_s_360.gif " BORDER=0><BR><A >>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://supersig.com/?45002326_450 >>02140 & >>id=45002326_45002140 " ><IMG >>SRC= " http://supersig.com/images/sigmaker/button_getyours.gif " ALT= " get >>your >>supersig! 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Guest guest Posted August 30, 2000 Report Share Posted August 30, 2000 I told my husband about a month ago that it wouldn't be long before people started looking into a class action law suit on this topic. I am very interested in this subject of a class action law suit. Before having my daughter, I was a paralegal for 12 years, so the law is " my thing " if you know what I mean ). I am especially interested in it now, as in the past I always thought by daughter's autism was something she was born with and that thimerosol just exacerbated it. However, now that I've learned that she probably got a vaccine in the hospital before we went home, I AM FURIOUS!!! I did not know this. Our daughter didn't have a sudden regression, and in looking back has always exhibited " classic " autistic behavior. I'm too angry to speak about this right now. But, seeking recourse is not out of the question. Missy [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the >>question? >>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm >> >> >>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I >>believe >>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind >>that >>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but >>lets >>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they >>were born >>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just >>my >>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological >>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions >>and >>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to >>vaccines as >>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think >>about >>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was >>aspergers, and >>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for >>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of >>mercury >>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are >>Virally and >>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that? >>Kathy >> >> >>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL >>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and >>In >>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury >>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May >>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of >>brain >>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and >>disassembly of >>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on >>the >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also >>found >>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a >>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with >>both >>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative >>evidence >>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical >>reactions >>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15] >> >>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal >>brain: >>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and >>high-affinity receptors. >>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995) >>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve >>growth >>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were >>exposed to >>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic >>days >>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the >>postnatal >>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g >>tissue >>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this >>exposure >>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at >>postnatal >>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from >>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF, >>the >>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk, >>respectively) >>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats >>were >>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic >>development >>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at >>P21 >>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The >>expression >>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The >>expression >>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in >>the >>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus >>(MS) >>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were >>detectable >>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and >>MS, >>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels >>of >>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its >>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic >>regulations >>during development. " >> >>This research shows that mercury from a woman's amalgam fillings >>crosses the >>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child. >>According >>to Professor Drasch, " Well, I think the implications are serious. It >>is a >>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of >>dental >>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for >>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in >>her >>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If >>this >>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the >>brain >>of the child. It's really the question that is being discussed in >>Germany >>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women >>from, >>let me say, 15 to 50 years. " Learning disabilities also seem to be >>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the >>body. >> >>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the >>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the >>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in >>areas >>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg >>was >>quoted as saying, " There are no permissible limits on this. It is >>known that >>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist. " In other >>words, >>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level >>of >>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs >>because of >>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., " Mercury in the >>central >>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings " Lakartidningen Vol.83, >>Issue >>7:519-521,1986.] >><!--See my SuperSig: >>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140--> >><HTML><HEAD><TITLE>See my SuperSig: >>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140</TITLE></HEAD><BODY >>BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_n_360.gif " >>BORDER=0><BR><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_w1_80.gif " >>BORDER=0><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157045583618.gif " BORDER=0><A >>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://home1.gte.net/jblanco2 & id= >>450023 >>26_45002140 " ><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157061315664.gif " >>BORDER=0></A><IMG >>SRC= " /temp/45002140_10580_956175606.gif " BORDER=0><IMG >>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_e1_80.gif " BORDER=0><BR><IMG >>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_s_360.gif " BORDER=0><BR><A >>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://supersig.com/?45002326_450 >>02140 & >>id=45002326_45002140 " ><IMG >>SRC= " http://supersig.com/images/sigmaker/button_getyours.gif " ALT= " get >>your >>supersig! 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Guest guest Posted August 31, 2000 Report Share Posted August 31, 2000 Re: [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the question? Ok, so I'm ready and willing to be converted, and also share a "mercury-rich" history -- lots of fillings, lots of vaccinations myself -- but only one of my 3 children is autistic, and this remains my big question: WHY ONLY ONE??? All my kids were born at home, in completely uncomplicated, unmedicated births. All of them had good birth weights. We lived in the same place when kid #1 and kid #2 (one NT and one autistic) were born. I'm just really pounding my brain to know, if this is indeed mercury poisoning, WHY only some kids of a certain set of parents are affected, when the mercury-history, if you will, is almost identical. I did vaccinate the autistic kid more than the others, but not much more... is that the only thing that makes the difference? The autistic one is a boy and the others are girls. Is this the only thing that tips the balance? Either of these possibilities seems hard to believe. I'm sure I'm not the only parent looking at multiple children and wondering why the one who got the 'bullet' was the only one affected...? Btw, my husband had all his mercury fillings replaced with white ones years ago, a couple years before we had kids. As far as I know, his dentist didn't take any special precautions in doing this. Does anyone know how this would have affected my hubbie's mercury levels and for how long? He feels like it improved his health significantly to have them removed, by the way. He did this long before it was popular to, because he's a physicist, and the minute he heard that there was mercury in fillings, he knew from all his science background this wasn't a good thing to have in your body.Terrimom to Zane, 7yo hfa, who just started 2nd grade today - yikes! Dear Terri, No, you are not the only parent wondering why one child gets affected, and the others don't. A lot of us feel that way too. Nobody knows why girls are less affected by autism than boys. Three times as many boys develop autism as girls. It's the 64 million dollar question. We do know, however, that different people have very different reactions to the same amount of mercury. Binstock over on the abmd list has posted some excellent articles about the fact that the sensitivity to mercury is wildly different in different people. As for you husband, getting the mercury out did help, so he must have some sensitivity, but he was able to function. Usually in that case, the body shows mercury for a while, from weeks to months, and then the levels go down in the blood. There may be some left, stored away in the organs. Most of us in this world have some Hg, but it doesn't bother us much, or we don't connect our health problems to mercury. Others with a larger amount, or with more sensitivity can feel really terrible. I'm really looking forward to the time when we know all the answers about Hg and how to get rid of it safely, and well. So very many of us will feel so much better. Regards, Becky, mom to 26 year old Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2000 Report Share Posted August 31, 2000 Barb, Ditto here, Just let me know when and where for the sit in, tie up or whatever. I'll be there! I've done every rational thing I could think of to do, even filing a petition with FDA for a class 1 recall of all remaining infant vaccines containing thimerosal. See attached! But, still no response! Lyn [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the > >>question? > >>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm > >> > >> > >>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I > >>believe > >>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind > >>that > >>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but > >>lets > >>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they > >>were born > >>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just > >>my > >>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological > >>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions > >>and > >>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to > >>vaccines as > >>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think > >>about > >>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was > >>aspergers, and > >>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for > >>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of > >>mercury > >>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are > >>Virally and > >>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that? > >>Kathy > >> > >> > >>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL > >>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and > >>In > >>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury > >>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May > >>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of > >>brain > >>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and > >>disassembly of > >>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on > >>the > >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also > >>found > >>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a > >>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with > >>both > >>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the > >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative > >>evidence > >>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical > >>reactions > >>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15] > >> > >>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal > >>brain: > >>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and > >>high-affinity receptors. > >>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995) > >>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve > >>growth > >>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were > >>exposed to > >>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic > >>days > >>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the > >>postnatal > >>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g > >>tissue > >>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this > >>exposure > >>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at > >>postnatal > >>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from > >>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF, > >>the > >>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk, > >>respectively) > >>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats > >>were > >>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic > >>development > >>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at > >>P21 > >>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The > >>expression > >>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The > >>expression > >>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in > >>the > >>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus > >>(MS) > >>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were > >>detectable > >>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and > >>MS, > >>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels > >>of > >>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its > >>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic > >>regulations > >>during development. " > >> > >>This research shows that mercury from a woman's amalgam fillings > >>crosses the > >>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child. > >>According > >>to Professor Drasch, " Well, I think the implications are serious. It > >>is a > >>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of > >>dental > >>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for > >>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in > >>her > >>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If > >>this > >>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the > >>brain > >>of the child. It's really the question that is being discussed in > >>Germany > >>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women > >>from, > >>let me say, 15 to 50 years. " Learning disabilities also seem to be > >>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the > >>body. > >> > >>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the > >>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the > >>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in > >>areas > >>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg > >>was > >>quoted as saying, " There are no permissible limits on this. It is > >>known that > >>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist. " In other > >>words, > >>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level > >>of > >>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs > >>because of > >>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., " Mercury in the > >>central > >>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings " Lakartidningen Vol.83, > >>Issue > >>7:519-521,1986.] > >><!--See my SuperSig: > >>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140--> > >><HTML><HEAD><TITLE>See my SuperSig: > >>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140</TITLE></HEAD><BODY > >>BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_n_360.gif " > >>BORDER=0><BR><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_w1_80.gif " > >>BORDER=0><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157045583618.gif " BORDER=0><A > >>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://home1.gte.net/jblanco2 & id= > >>450023 > >>26_45002140 " ><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157061315664.gif " > >>BORDER=0></A><IMG > >>SRC= " /temp/45002140_10580_956175606.gif " BORDER=0><IMG > >>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_e1_80.gif " BORDER=0><BR><IMG > >>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_s_360.gif " BORDER=0><BR><A > >>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://supersig.com/?45002326_450 > >>02140 & > >>id=45002326_45002140 " ><IMG > >>SRC= " http://supersig.com/images/sigmaker/button_getyours.gif " ALT= " get > >>your > >>supersig! 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Guest guest Posted August 31, 2000 Report Share Posted August 31, 2000 I also would love to get involved with a class action lawsuit. I don't have a legal background so wouldn't be to much help! If anyone knows of one starting please let me know! Thanks, Chris On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:10:18 -0400 " M. " <alexande@...> writes: > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > I told my husband about a month ago that it wouldn't be long before > people > started looking into a class action law suit on this topic. > > I am very interested in this subject of a class action law suit. > Before > having my daughter, I was a paralegal for 12 years, so the law is > " my thing " > if you know what I mean ). I am especially interested in it now, > as in > the past I always thought by daughter's autism was something she was > born > with and that thimerosol just exacerbated it. However, now that > I've > learned that she probably got a vaccine in the hospital before we > went home, > I AM FURIOUS!!! I did not know this. Our daughter didn't have a > sudden > regression, and in looking back has always exhibited " classic " > autistic > behavior. > > I'm too angry to speak about this right now. But, seeking recourse > is not > out of the question. > > Missy > > [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is > the > >>question? > >>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm > >> > >> > >>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. > I > >>believe > >>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my > mind > >>that > >>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, > but > >>lets > >>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they > >>were born > >>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, > Just > >>my > >>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other > toxological > >>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine > disuruptions > >>and > >>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to > >>vaccines as > >>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please > think > >>about > >>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was > >>aspergers, and > >>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways > for > >>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of > >>mercury > >>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are > >>Virally and > >>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that? > >>Kathy > >> > >> > >>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL > >>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro > and > >>In > >>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury > >>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May > >>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the > metabolism of > >>brain > >>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and > >>disassembly of > >>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure > on > >>the > >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins > also > >>found > >>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein > (B-50/GAP-43), a > >>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, > with > >>both > >>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the > >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative > >>evidence > >>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical > >>reactions > >>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15] > >> > >>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal > >>brain: > >>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and > >>high-affinity receptors. > >>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995) > >>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of > nerve > >>growth > >>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were > >>exposed to > >>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either > embryonic > >>days > >>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the > >>postnatal > >>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g > >>tissue > >>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this > >>exposure > >>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at > >>postnatal > >>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls > from > >>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding > NGF, > >>the > >>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk, > >>respectively) > >>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When > rats > >>were > >>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic > >>development > >>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels > at > >>P21 > >>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The > >>expression > >>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The > >>expression > >>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels > in > >>the > >>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal > nucleus > >>(MS) > >>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were > >>detectable > >>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB > and > >>MS, > >>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low > levels > >>of > >>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and > its > >>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic > >>regulations > >>during development. " > >> > >>This research shows that mercury from a woman's amalgam fillings > >>crosses the > >>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child. > >>According > >>to Professor Drasch, " Well, I think the implications are serious. > It > >>is a > >>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of > >>dental > >>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If > for > >>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies > in > >>her > >>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. > If > >>this > >>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to > the > >>brain > >>of the child. It's really the question that is being discussed in > >>Germany > >>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for > women > >>from, > >>let me say, 15 to 50 years. " Learning disabilities also seem to be > >>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in > the > >>body. > >> > >>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between > the > >>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in > the > >>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years > in > >>areas > >>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. > Friberg > >>was > >>quoted as saying, " There are no permissible limits on this. It is > >>known that > >>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist. " In > other > >>words, > >>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the > level > >>of > >>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs > >>because of > >>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., " Mercury in > the > >>central > >>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings " Lakartidningen > Vol.83, > >>Issue > >>7:519-521,1986.] > >><!--See my SuperSig: > >>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140--> > >><HTML><HEAD><TITLE>See my SuperSig: > >>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140</TITLE></HEAD><BODY > >>BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF><IMG > SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_n_360.gif " > >>BORDER=0><BR><IMG > SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_w1_80.gif " > >>BORDER=0><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157045583618.gif " BORDER=0><A > >>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://home1.gte.net/jblanco2 & id= > >>450023 > >>26_45002140 " ><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157061315664.gif " > >>BORDER=0></A><IMG > >>SRC= " /temp/45002140_10580_956175606.gif " BORDER=0><IMG > >>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_e1_80.gif " > BORDER=0><BR><IMG > >>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_s_360.gif " BORDER=0><BR><A > >>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://supersig.com/?45002326_450 > >>02140 & > >>id=45002326_45002140 " ><IMG > >>SRC= " http://supersig.com/images/sigmaker/button_getyours.gif " > ALT= " get > >>your > >>supersig! 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Guest guest Posted August 31, 2000 Report Share Posted August 31, 2000 Boys are more susceptible to low level mercury toxicity than girls. Heidi Ok, so I'm ready and willing to be converted, and also share a "mercury-rich" history -- lots of fillings, lots of vaccinations myself -- but only one of my 3 children is autistic, and this remains my big question: WHY ONLY ONE??? All my kids were born at home, in completely uncomplicated, unmedicated births. All of them had good birth weights. We lived in the same place when kid #1 and kid #2 (one NT and one autistic) were born. I'm just really pounding my brain to know, if this is indeed mercury poisoning, WHY only some kids of a certain set of parents are affected, when the mercury-history, if you will, is almost identical. I did vaccinate the autistic kid more than the others, but not much more... is that the only thing that makes the difference? The autistic one is a boy and the others are girls. Is this the only thing that tips the balance? Either of these possibilities seems hard to believe. I'm sure I'm not the only parent looking at multiple children and wondering why the one who got the 'bullet' was the only one affected...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2000 Report Share Posted August 31, 2000 Mercury affects boys about 4 times more??? than girls. I have four children---one ASD, and three NT, but after looking at the chart of mercury poisoning symptoms, I can see the others may have minor signs of poisoning as well. Things like migraines (my girls have had these for years) some obsessive traits, sensitivity to light and sound, going to sleep late and getting up late. These things are more pronounced in my other son than my daughters. So who knows? Yes, it may be personality, maybe? We'd like to do a hair test on all of them sometime. Barb [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the>question?>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm>>>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I>believe>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind>that>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but>lets>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they>were born>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just>my>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions>and>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to>vaccines as>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think>about>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was>aspergers, and>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of>mercury>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are>Virally and>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that?>Kathy>>>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and>In>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of>brain>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and>disassembly of>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on>the>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also>found>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with>both>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative>evidence>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical>reactions>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15]>>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal>brain:>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and>high-affinity receptors.>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995)>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve>growth>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were>exposed to>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic>days>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the>postnatal>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g>tissue>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this>exposure>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at>postnatal>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF,>the>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk,>respectively)>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats>were>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic>development>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at>P21>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The>expression>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The>expression>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in>the>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus>(MS)>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were>detectable>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and>MS,>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels>of>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic>regulations>during development. " >>This research shows that mercury from a woman’s amalgam fillings>crosses the>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child.>According>to Professor Drasch, “ Well, I think the implications are serious. It>is a>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of>dental>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in>her>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If>this>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the>brain>of the child. It’s really the question that is being discussed in>Germany>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women>from,>let me say, 15 to 50 years.” Learning disabilities also seem to be>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the>body.>>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in>areas>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg>was>quoted as saying, “There are no permissible limits on this. It is>known that>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist.” In other>words,>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level>of>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs>because of>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., “Mercury in the>central>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings” Lakartidningen Vol.83,>Issue>7:519-521,1986.]><!--See my SuperSig:>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140-->><HTML><HEAD><TITLE>See my SuperSig:>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140</TITLE></HEAD><BODY>BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_n_360.gif " >BORDER=0><BR><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_w1_80.gif " >BORDER=0><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157045583618.gif " BORDER=0><A>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://home1.gte.net/jblanco2 & id=>450023>26_45002140 " ><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157061315664.gif " >BORDER=0></A><IMG>SRC= " /temp/45002140_10580_956175606.gif " BORDER=0><IMG>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_e1_80.gif " BORDER=0><BR><IMG>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_s_360.gif " BORDER=0><BR><A>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://supersig.com/?45002326_450>02140 & >id=45002326_45002140 " ><IMG>SRC= " http://supersig.com/images/sigmaker/button_getyours.gif " ALT= " get>your>supersig! 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Guest guest Posted September 1, 2000 Report Share Posted September 1, 2000 Try to get on the VAERS list, this is at the moment our only recourse. Precidence must be set, so hold on, England parents are doing that as we speak (or hopefully). Not sure if that is based on mercury poisining rather the immune problems/enterocolitis that exist, (but heh, they are all interellated). We still have not PROVEN this theory yet, we are putting it our there, and hoping CAN and other scientist will prove that vaccines are causing this. I know, I want to personally scale the Merck and other lab buildings, but realize that in NUMBERS our claims will be heard. It still is a misunderstood disease (notice I say disease)....we have to still make autism out in the forefrunt. Unfortunately, that will be a matter of time until we have overburdening school systems who cannot handle the influx. (they say it is there already). Also get involved in many studies to help the effort. I am on the AGRE list (for multiplicity families), and often donate our blood samples etc to researchers. Friends of mind on another list are doing a campaign of putting things on cars in parking lots....I know, hokey, but it probably will wake up at least one parent. Kathy [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the >>>question? >>>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm >>> >>> >>>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I >>>believe >>>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind >>>that >>>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but >>>lets >>>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they >>>were born >>>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just >>>my >>>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological >>>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions >>>and >>>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to >>>vaccines as >>>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think >>>about >>>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was >>>aspergers, and >>>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for >>>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of >>>mercury >>>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are >>>Virally and >>>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that? >>>Kathy >>> >>> >>>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL >>>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and >>>In >>>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury >>>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May >>>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of >>>brain >>>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and >>>disassembly of >>>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on >>>the >>>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also >>>found >>>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a >>>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with >>>both >>>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the >>>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative >>>evidence >>>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical >>>reactions >>>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15] >>> >>>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal >>>brain: >>>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and >>>high-affinity receptors. >>>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995) >>>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve >>>growth >>>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were >>>exposed to >>>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic >>>days >>>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the >>>postnatal >>>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g >>>tissue >>>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this >>>exposure >>>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at >>>postnatal >>>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from >>>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF, >>>the >>>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk, >>>respectively) >>>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats >>>were >>>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic >>>development >>>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at >>>P21 >>>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The >>>expression >>>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The >>>expression >>>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in >>>the >>>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus >>>(MS) >>>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were >>>detectable >>>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and >>>MS, >>>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels >>>of >>>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its >>>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic >>>regulations >>>during development. " >>> >>>This research shows that mercury from a woman’s amalgam fillings >>>crosses the >>>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child. >>>According >>>to Professor Drasch, “ Well, I think the implications are serious. It >>>is a >>>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of >>>dental >>>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for >>>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in >>>her >>>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If >>>this >>>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the >>>brain >>>of the child. It’s really the question that is being discussed in >>>Germany >>>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women >>>from, >>>let me say, 15 to 50 years.” Learning disabilities also seem to be >>>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the >>>body. >>> >>>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the >>>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the >>>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in >>>areas >>>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg >>>was >>>quoted as saying, “There are no permissible limits on this. It is >>>known that >>>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist.” In other >>>words, >>>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level >>>of >>>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs >>>because of >>>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., “Mercury in the >>>central >>>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings” Lakartidningen Vol.83, >>>Issue >>>7:519-521,1986.] >>><!--See my SuperSig: >>>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140--> >>><HTML><HEAD><TITLE>See my SuperSig: >>>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140</TITLE></HEAD><BODY >>>BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_n_360.gif " >>>BORDER=0><BR><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_w1_80.gif " >>>BORDER=0><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157045583618.gif " BORDER=0><A >>>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://home1.gte.net/jblanco2 & id= >>>450023 >>>26_45002140 " ><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157061315664.gif " >>>BORDER=0></A><IMG >>>SRC= " /temp/45002140_10580_956175606.gif " BORDER=0><IMG >>>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_e1_80.gif " BORDER=0><BR><IMG >>>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_s_360.gif " BORDER=0><BR><A >>>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://supersig.com/?45002326_450 >>>02140 & >>>id=45002326_45002140 " ><IMG >>>SRC= " http://supersig.com/images/sigmaker/button_getyours.gif " ALT= " get >>>your >>>supersig! 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Guest guest Posted September 1, 2000 Report Share Posted September 1, 2000 , What is the VAERS list? Celia [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the >>>>question? >>>>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm >>>> >>>> >>>>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I >>>>believe >>>>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind >>>>that >>>>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but >>>>lets >>>>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they >>>>were born >>>>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just >>>>my >>>>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological >>>>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions >>>>and >>>>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to >>>>vaccines as >>>>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think >>>>about >>>>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was >>>>aspergers, and >>>>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for >>>>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of >>>>mercury >>>>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are >>>>Virally and >>>>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that? >>>>Kathy >>>> >>>> >>>>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL >>>>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and >>>>In >>>>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury >>>>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May >>>>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of >>>>brain >>>>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and >>>>disassembly of >>>>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on >>>>the >>>>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also >>>>found >>>>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a >>>>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with >>>>both >>>>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the >>>>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative >>>>evidence >>>>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical >>>>reactions >>>>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15] >>>> >>>>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal >>>>brain: >>>>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and >>>>high-affinity receptors. >>>>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995) >>>>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve >>>>growth >>>>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were >>>>exposed to >>>>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic >>>>days >>>>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the >>>>postnatal >>>>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g >>>>tissue >>>>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this >>>>exposure >>>>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at >>>>postnatal >>>>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from >>>>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF, >>>>the >>>>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk, >>>>respectively) >>>>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats >>>>were >>>>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic >>>>development >>>>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at >>>>P21 >>>>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The >>>>expression >>>>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The >>>>expression >>>>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in >>>>the >>>>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus >>>>(MS) >>>>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were >>>>detectable >>>>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and >>>>MS, >>>>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels >>>>of >>>>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its >>>>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic >>>>regulations >>>>during development. " >>>> >>>>This research shows that mercury from a woman’s amalgam fillings >>>>crosses the >>>>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child. >>>>According >>>>to Professor Drasch, “ Well, I think the implications are serious. It >>>>is a >>>>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of >>>>dental >>>>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for >>>>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in >>>>her >>>>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If >>>>this >>>>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the >>>>brain >>>>of the child. It’s really the question that is being discussed in >>>>Germany >>>>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women >>>>from, >>>>let me say, 15 to 50 years.” Learning disabilities also seem to be >>>>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the >>>>body. >>>> >>>>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the >>>>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the >>>>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in >>>>areas >>>>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg >>>>was >>>>quoted as saying, “There are no permissible limits on this. It is >>>>known that >>>>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist.” In other >>>>words, >>>>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level >>>>of >>>>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs >>>>because of >>>>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., “Mercury in the >>>>central >>>>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings” Lakartidningen Vol.83, >>>>Issue >>>>7:519-521,1986.] >>>><!--See my SuperSig: >>>>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140--> >>>><HTML><HEAD><TITLE>See my SuperSig: >>>>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140</TITLE></HEAD><BODY >>>>BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_n_360.gif " >>>>BORDER=0><BR><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_w1_80.gif " >>>>BORDER=0><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157045583618.gif " BORDER=0><A >>>>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://home1.gte.net/jblanco2 & id= >>>>450023 >>>>26_45002140 " ><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157061315664.gif " >>>>BORDER=0></A><IMG >>>>SRC= " /temp/45002140_10580_956175606.gif " BORDER=0><IMG >>>>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_e1_80.gif " BORDER=0><BR><IMG >>>>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_s_360.gif " BORDER=0><BR><A >>>>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://supersig.com/?45002326_450 >>>>02140 & >>>>id=45002326_45002140 " ><IMG >>>>SRC= " http://supersig.com/images/sigmaker/button_getyours.gif " ALT= " get >>>>your >>>>supersig! 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Guest guest Posted September 19, 2000 Report Share Posted September 19, 2000 There's an attorney in WY(?) or MT(?) who helped with a class action suit regarding a hot lot of vaccine several years ago (DPT, I think). I'll try to remember to look it up in my rolodex. Never heard how the case came out. I don't know anyone in on that one. On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:10:18 -0400, egroups wrote: > I told my husband about a month ago that it wouldn't be long before people > started looking into a class action law suit on this topic. > > I am very interested in this subject of a class action law suit. Before > having my daughter, I was a paralegal for 12 years, so the law is " my thing " > if you know what I mean ). I am especially interested in it now, as in > the past I always thought by daughter's autism was something she was born > with and that thimerosol just exacerbated it. However, now that I've > learned that she probably got a vaccine in the hospital before we went home, > I AM FURIOUS!!! I did not know this. Our daughter didn't have a sudden > regression, and in looking back has always exhibited " classic " autistic > behavior. > > I'm too angry to speak about this right now. But, seeking recourse is not > out of the question. > > Missy > > [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the > >>question? > >>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm > >> > >> > >>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I > >>believe > >>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind > >>that > >>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but > >>lets > >>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they > >>were born > >>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just > >>my > >>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological > >>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions > >>and > >>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to > >>vaccines as > >>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think > >>about > >>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was > >>aspergers, and > >>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for > >>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of > >>mercury > >>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are > >>Virally and > >>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that? > >>Kathy > >> > >> > >>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL > >>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and > >>In > >>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury > >>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May > >>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of > >>brain > >>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and > >>disassembly of > >>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on > >>the > >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also > >>found > >>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a > >>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with > >>both > >>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the > >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative > >>evidence > >>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical > >>reactions > >>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15] > >> > >>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal > >>brain: > >>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and > >>high-affinity receptors. > >>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995) > >>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve > >>growth > >>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were > >>exposed to > >>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic > >>days > >>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the > >>postnatal > >>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g > >>tissue > >>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this > >>exposure > >>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at > >>postnatal > >>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from > >>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF, > >>the > >>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk, > >>respectively) > >>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats > >>were > >>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic > >>development > >>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at > >>P21 > >>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The > >>expression > >>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The > >>expression > >>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in > >>the > >>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus > >>(MS) > >>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were > >>detectable > >>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and > >>MS, > >>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels > >>of > >>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its > >>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic > >>regulations > >>during development. " > >> > >>This research shows that mercury from a woman's amalgam fillings > >>crosses the > >>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child. > >>According > >>to Professor Drasch, " Well, I think the implications are serious. It > >>is a > >>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of > >>dental > >>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for > >>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in > >>her > >>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If > >>this > >>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the > >>brain > >>of the child. It's really the question that is being discussed in > >>Germany > >>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women > >>from, > >>let me say, 15 to 50 years. " Learning disabilities also seem to be > >>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the > >>body. > >> > >>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the > >>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the > >>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in > >>areas > >>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg > >>was > >>quoted as saying, " There are no permissible limits on this. It is > >>known that > >>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist. " In other > >>words, > >>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level > >>of > >>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs > >>because of > >>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., " Mercury in the > >>central > >>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings " Lakartidningen Vol.83, > >>Issue > >>7:519-521,1986.] > >><!--See my SuperSig: > >>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140--> > >><HTML><HEAD><TITLE>See my SuperSig: > >>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140</TITLE></HEAD><BODY > >>BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_n_360.gif " > >>BORDER=0><BR><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_w1_80.gif " > >>BORDER=0><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157045583618.gif " BORDER=0><A > >>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://home1.gte.net/jblanco2 & id= > >>450023 > >>26_45002140 " ><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157061315664.gif " > >>BORDER=0></A><IMG > >>SRC= " /temp/45002140_10580_956175606.gif " BORDER=0><IMG > >>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_e1_80.gif " BORDER=0><BR><IMG > >>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_s_360.gif " BORDER=0><BR><A > >>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://supersig.com/?45002326_450 > >>02140 & > >>id=45002326_45002140 " ><IMG > >>SRC= " http://supersig.com/images/sigmaker/button_getyours.gif " ALT= " get > >>your > >>supersig! 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Guest guest Posted September 19, 2000 Report Share Posted September 19, 2000 I would be interested in the year 1982, reportadly the same time 20 20 came out with a journalism piece on pertussis giving kids brain damage, and the same year my son got his DPT poisin Kathy Re: [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the question? > >There's an attorney in WY(?) or MT(?) who helped with a class action suit >regarding a hot lot of vaccine several years ago (DPT, I think). I'll try >to remember to look it up in my rolodex. Never heard how the case came out. >I don't know anyone in on that one. > > > >On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:10:18 -0400, egroups wrote: > >> I told my husband about a month ago that it wouldn't be long before >people >> started looking into a class action law suit on this topic. >> >> I am very interested in this subject of a class action law suit. Before >> having my daughter, I was a paralegal for 12 years, so the law is " my >thing " >> if you know what I mean ). I am especially interested in it now, as in >> the past I always thought by daughter's autism was something she was born >> with and that thimerosol just exacerbated it. However, now that I've >> learned that she probably got a vaccine in the hospital before we went >home, >> I AM FURIOUS!!! I did not know this. Our daughter didn't have a sudden >> regression, and in looking back has always exhibited " classic " autistic >> behavior. >> >> I'm too angry to speak about this right now. But, seeking recourse is >not >> out of the question. >> >> Missy >> >> [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the >> >>question? >> >>Date: 08/28/2000 12:45pm >> >> >> >> >> >>If your thinking is that a child is born autistic, consider this. I >> >>believe >> >>they are born poisined! There is an entierely new mindset in my mind >> >>that >> >>those moms who say their kids are born that way, probably were, but >> >>lets >> >>make this more sysinct, they weren't born autistic as much as they >> >>were born >> >>poisned in the womb. If you don't believe me, read these below, Just >> >>my >> >>opinion and my two cents (this also is not including other toxological >> >>insults such as dioxin, flouride, pesticides, endocrine disuruptions >> >>and >> >>other carcinogens). For other late arriving autisms, I point to >> >>vaccines as >> >>source or contributor. There are many abstracts on this, please think >> >>about >> >>this connection? For those who say, well Uncle so and so was >> >>aspergers, and >> >>another aunt has mild autism, I would venture their detox pathways for >> >>mercury detoxification ALSO aren't working. Susceptibility of >> >>mercury >> >>toxication can be had generationally or perhaps again, they are >> >>Virally and >> >>Toxically loaded, and who can withstand that? >> >>Kathy >> >> >> >> >> >>Palkiewicz P, Zwiers H, Lorscheider FL >> >>ADP-Ribosylation of Brain Neuronal Proteins Is Altered by In Vitro and >> >>In >> >>Vivo Exposure to Inorganic Mercury >> >>Journal of Neurochemistry. 62(5):2049-2052, 1994 May >> >>Abstract ADP-ribosylation is an essential process in the metabolism of >> >>brain >> >>neuronal proteins, including the regulation of assembly and >> >>disassembly of >> >>biological polymers. Here, we examine the effect of HgCl2 exposure on >> >>the >> >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin, both cytoskeletal proteins also >> >>found >> >>in neurons, and B-50/43-kDa growth-associated protein (B-50/GAP-43), a >> >>neuronal tissue-specific phosphoprotein. In rats we demonstrate, with >> >>both >> >>in vitro and in vivo experiments, that HgCl2 markedly inhibits the >> >>ADP-ribosylation of tubulin and actin. This is direct quantitative >> >>evidence >> >>that HgCl2, a toxic xenobiotic, alters specific neurochemical >> >>reactions >> >>involved in maintaining brain neuron structure. [References: 15] >> >> >> >>The effect of mercury vapour on cholinergic neurons in the fetal >> >>brain: >> >>studies on the expression of nerve growth factor and its low- and >> >>high-affinity receptors. >> >>Developmental Brain Research 85(1):96-108 (1995) >> >>ABSTRACT: " The effects of mercury vapour on the production of nerve >> >>growth >> >>factor during development have been examined. Pregnant rats were >> >>exposed to >> >>two different concentrations of mercury vapour during either embryonic >> >>days >> >>E6-E11 (early) or E13-E18 (late) in pregnancy, increasing the >> >>postnatal >> >>concentration of mercury in the brain from 1 ng/g tissue to 4 ng/g >> >>tissue >> >>(low-dose group) or 11 ng/g (high-dose group). The effect of this >> >>exposure >> >>in offspring was determined by looking at the NGF concentration at >> >>postnatal >> >>days 21 and 60 and comparing these levels to age-matched controls from >> >>sham-treated mothers. Changes in the expression of mRNA encoding NGF, >> >>the >> >>low- and hogh-affinity receptors for NGF (p75 and p140 trk, >> >>respectively) >> >>and choline acetyltransferase (ChAT) were also determined. When rats >> >>were >> >>exposed to high levels of mercury vapour during early embryonic >> >>development >> >>there was a significant (62%) increase in hippocampal NGF levels at >> >>P21 >> >>accompanied by a 50% decrease of NGF in the basal forebrain. The >> >>expression >> >>of NGF mRNA was found to be unaltered in the dentate gyrus. The >> >>expression >> >>of p75 mRNA was significantly decreased to 39% of control levels in >> >>the >> >>diagonal band of Broca (DB) and to 50% in the medial septal nucleus >> >>(MS) >> >>whereas no alterations in the level of trk mRNA expression were >> >>detectable >> >>in the basal forebrain. ChAT mRNA was slightly decreased in the DB and >> >>MS, >> >>significantly in the striatum. These findings suggest that low levels >> >>of >> >>prenatal mercury vapour exposure can alter the levels of NGF and its >> >>receptors, indicating neuronal damage and distributed trophic >> >>regulations >> >>during development. " >> >> >> >>This research shows that mercury from a woman's amalgam fillings >> >>crosses the >> >>placental barrier and travels into the brain of the unborn child. >> >>According >> >>to Professor Drasch, " Well, I think the implications are serious. It >> >>is a >> >>question of whether or not we have to restrict the application of >> >>dental >> >>amalgam to women, not only in child bearing age, but before. If for >> >>instance, a girl of 15 gets an amalgam filling, this filling lies in >> >>her >> >>mouth for 10 years. All this time this filling releases mercury. If >> >>this >> >>girl got pregnant when she has the filling, the mercury passes to the >> >>brain >> >>of the child. It's really the question that is being discussed in >> >>Germany >> >>right now, to speak about restriction of amalgam fillings for women >> >>from, >> >>let me say, 15 to 50 years. " Learning disabilities also seem to be >> >>characterized by a general pattern of high levels of mercury in the >> >>body. >> >> >> >>The study also showed a directly proportional relationship between the >> >>number of amalgam fillings and the amount of mercury deposited in the >> >>cortex. Considering that mercury has a half-time of some 20 years in >> >>areas >> >>of the brain, there a lot of people in serious trouble. Dr. Friberg >> >>was >> >>quoted as saying, " There are no permissible limits on this. It is >> >>known that >> >>mercury is one of the most poisonous substances that exist. " In other >> >>words, >> >>there is no scientific evidence anywhere which proves that the level >> >>of >> >>mercury found in the human brain is safe or that no damage occurs >> >>because of >> >>it.[ Friberg L., Kullman L.,Birger L., Nylander M., " Mercury in the >> >>central >> >>nervous system in relation to amalgam fillings " Lakartidningen Vol.83, >> >>Issue >> >>7:519-521,1986.] >> >><!--See my SuperSig: >> >>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140--> >> >><HTML><HEAD><TITLE>See my SuperSig: >> >>http://proxy.supersig.com/sig?45002326_45002140</TITLE></HEAD><BODY >> >>BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_n_360.gif " >> >>BORDER=0><BR><IMG SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_w1_80.gif " >> >>BORDER=0><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157045583618.gif " BORDER=0><A >> >>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://home1.gte.net/jblanco2 & id= >> >>450023 >> >>26_45002140 " ><IMG SRC= " /temp/45002140_157061315664.gif " >> >>BORDER=0></A><IMG >> >>SRC= " /temp/45002140_10580_956175606.gif " BORDER=0><IMG >> >>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_e1_80.gif " BORDER=0><BR><IMG >> >>SRC= " http://supersig.com/temp/confetti_s_360.gif " BORDER=0><BR><A >> >>HREF= " http://supersig.com/r.php3?url=http://supersig.com/?45002326_450 >> >>02140 & >> >>id=45002326_45002140 " ><IMG >> >>SRC= " http://supersig.com/images/sigmaker/button_getyours.gif " ALT= " get >> >>your >> >>supersig! 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Guest guest Posted September 19, 2000 Report Share Posted September 19, 2000 Hi.. my son received his first DPT in 1991. My questions is.....what is the difference in the DPT vaccine and the DTaP? He received the DPT the first two times and the last one on his records was DTaP. Just curious........Thanks.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2000 Report Share Posted September 19, 2000 DTaP is the acellular version of the pertussis vaccine, which I believe they are using as standard now. It is a 'cleaner' version, which was first used in Japan, and doesn't contain so much extraneous organic stuff, as I understand it. Supposed to have fewer side effects than the regular pertussis vaccine which used to be used exclusively. When my daughter was born in 1991, I remember had to request it specifically. Terri At 08:43 AM 9/19/00 -0400, you wrote: -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! 1/9068/9/_/705339/_/969367395/ --------------------------------------------------------------------> Hi.. my son received his first DPT in 1991. My questions is.....what is the difference in the DPT vaccine and the DTaP? He received the DPT the first two times and the last one on his records was DTaP. Just curious........Thanks.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2000 Report Share Posted September 19, 2000 The DPT was in need of some modifications, therefore the DPaT was invented. I would suggest going to http://www.909shot.com/ there you will find the information, or I am sure they could point you to the proper studies. I am truly sorry that you are finding all of this out as we did, after a child is injured. Meyer Family ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2000 Report Share Posted September 19, 2000 More specifically on the DPT go to the web site , talks about certain lot numbers of the DPT. http://www.909shot.com/hotlots.htm On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:59:45 -0400 l Meyer <recovering2@...> writes: > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > The DPT was in need of some modifications, therefore the DPaT was > invented. I would suggest going to http://www.909shot.com/ > there > you will find the information, or I am sure they could point you to > the > proper studies. > > I am truly sorry that you are finding all of this out as we did, > after a > child is injured. > > Meyer Family > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2000 Report Share Posted September 19, 2000 I wish I had known about that when my son was born.....I certainly would have requested it instead of him having two " doses " of the old DTP. Thanks for your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2000 Report Share Posted September 19, 2000 Aren't all the shots, " hot lots " ???.. a kind of Russian roulette? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2000 Report Share Posted September 21, 2000 I keep wondering where " our " kids with mercury issues fall in the birth order. I would guess that all other factors equal, the firstborn would have higher potential exposure via the mother since the mother has 20-35+ years accumulated exposure of her own (from vaccines, dental fillings, fish, environment, etc). If mother has no new exposure between the birth of the children, and for example, passes 25% of her mercury load on to child #1, then mother has 25% less mercury load to which child #2 has " access " and so on. Of course we don't really know what exactly determines how much of the mercury burden any given child takes on. I also wonder about miscarriages, and stillborn children. I don't mean to sound uncaring or clinical but does Mother Nature/God (or whatever you choose to call the higher power/creative force) sometimes use those pregnancies as a means of " cleaning house " (detoxing the mother) for the next child? Actually firstborn or firstborn son would probably give us a more accurate picture since we would need to factor in the male as the " weaker " sex factor (shorter average lifespan, higher incidence of infant mortality, etc.) My nephew with autism is firstborn and followed a miscarriage. Of the two I volunteered with: one firstborn and one only and therefore also firstborn. Although with the 5 with whom I currently work none is firstborn. Curious, > Mercury affects boys about 4 times more??? than girls. I have four children---one ASD, and three NT, but after looking at the chart of mercury poisoning symptoms, I can see the others may have minor signs of poisoning as well. Things like migraines (my girls have had these for years) some obsessive traits, sensitivity to light and sound, going to sleep late and getting up late. These things are more pronounced in my other son than my daughters. So who knows? Yes, it may be personality, maybe? We'd like to do a hair test on all of them sometime. > Barb > Re: [ ] Born Autistic or Born Poisined? That is the question? > > > > > My Groups | Main Page | Start a new group! > > > Ok, so I'm ready and willing to be converted, and also share a " mercury-rich " history -- lots of fillings, lots of vaccinations myself -- but only one of my 3 children is autistic, and this remains my big question: WHY ONLY ONE??? All my kids were born at home, in completely uncomplicated, unmedicated births. All of them had good birth weights. We lived in the same place when kid #1 and kid #2 (one NT and one autistic) were born _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2000 Report Share Posted September 21, 2000 , I have wondered some of these same things. My daughter was firstborn, typical with no issues. I then miscarried when she was 7 months old. Then Hunter was born 10 months later. Carol G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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