Guest guest Posted July 22, 2000 Report Share Posted July 22, 2000 << Same as above for Molybdenum? >> If your kid can swallow tablets the Vitamin Shoppe does have 250 mcg tablets from AMNI. That is what I eat. I have also seen Moly liquid drops (you need one or two a day) but don't know where to get them. If you use TVS and are reading the catalogue, call or go online - they don't print their entire stock in the catalogue because they can't afford to mail a phone book each month! Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2000 Report Share Posted July 22, 2000 Could someone please explain what form of magnesium this is? I couldn't find it at the Vitamin Shoppe which has everything or so I thought. Dr Amy is recommending this daily. Any suggestions for where to get it? In person or on line? Same as above for Molybdenum? Heidi Re: [ ] aluminum chelation > In a message dated 7/20/00 5:50:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Nomoremetals@... writes: > > << << What will chelate aluminum? >> > > Magnesium malate or malic acid (basically the same thing) is the best we've > found so far. You can get it at most health food stores. >> > > In a brief trial of malic acid 3 days at 1/2 the adult dose per year, we felt > that our daughter was having a bad (agressive) reaction to it. Does anyone > else have anything good or bad to say about malic acid? I don't think it is > a chelator it the true sense, but does it increase the rate of aluminum > excretion? I think that alot of people with fibromyalgia use it with good > sucess acording to my pharmacy. > > Joe Marciano > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get great brand name shoes with just the click of a mouse. Check out > the huge selection at Zappos.com, the Web's Most Popular Store! > 1/6994/9/_/705339/_/964156426/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2000 Report Share Posted July 22, 2000 Hi Heidi, You can call the Vita Shoppe at 225-769-6265 and they will ship it to you. It is right next door to Dr. Amy's office, and they keep all the products she and Dr. Cave recommend in stock. They even keep a supply of Kirkman products! Good Luck-- Maranie Re: [ ] magnesium malateCould someone please explain what form of magnesium this is? I couldn'tfind it at the Vitamin Shoppe which has everything or so I thought. Dr Amyis recommending this daily. Any suggestions for where to get it? In personor on line?Same as above for Molybdenum?Heidi Re: [ ] aluminum chelation> In a message dated 7/20/00 5:50:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,> Nomoremetals@... writes:>> << << What will chelate aluminum? >>>> Magnesium malate or malic acid (basically the same thing) is the bestwe've> found so far. You can get it at most health food stores. >>>> In a brief trial of malic acid 3 days at 1/2 the adult dose per year, wefelt> that our daughter was having a bad (agressive) reaction to it. Doesanyone> else have anything good or bad to say about malic acid? I don't think itis> a chelator it the true sense, but does it increase the rate of aluminum> excretion? I think that alot of people with fibromyalgia use it with good> sucess acording to my pharmacy.>> Joe Marciano>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------> Get great brand name shoes with just the click of a mouse. Check out> the huge selection at Zappos.com, the Web's Most Popular Store!> 1/6994/9/_/705339/_/964156426/> ------------------------------------------------------------------------>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2000 Report Share Posted July 22, 2000 I got mine from CFS nutrition www.cfsnutrition.com Kathy Re: [ ] magnesium malate >Could someone please explain what form of magnesium this is? I couldn't >find it at the Vitamin Shoppe which has everything or so I thought. Dr Amy >is recommending this daily. Any suggestions for where to get it? In person >or on line? > >Same as above for Molybdenum? > >Heidi > > > > Re: [ ] aluminum chelation > > >> In a message dated 7/20/00 5:50:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> Nomoremetals@... writes: >> >> << << What will chelate aluminum? >> >> >> Magnesium malate or malic acid (basically the same thing) is the best >we've >> found so far. You can get it at most health food stores. >> >> >> In a brief trial of malic acid 3 days at 1/2 the adult dose per year, we >felt >> that our daughter was having a bad (agressive) reaction to it. Does >anyone >> else have anything good or bad to say about malic acid? I don't think it >is >> a chelator it the true sense, but does it increase the rate of aluminum >> excretion? I think that alot of people with fibromyalgia use it with good >> sucess acording to my pharmacy. >> >> Joe Marciano >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Get great brand name shoes with just the click of a mouse. Check out >> the huge selection at Zappos.com, the Web's Most Popular Store! >> 1/6994/9/_/705339/_/964156426/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2000 Report Share Posted July 22, 2000 In a message dated 7/22/00 10:35:17 AM Central Daylight Time, elevatordance@... writes: << Could someone please explain what form of magnesium this is? I couldn't find it at the Vitamin Shoppe which has everything or so I thought. Dr Amy is recommending this daily. Any suggestions for where to get it? In person or on line? >> You might try calling the Vitamin Shoppe to see if they just don't list it online. I ordered a huge bottle of it from them a couple of months ago. We use the Source Naturals brand and it's just called Magnesium Malate. Sometimes they don't show everything they sell online. Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 ww.cfsn.com will explain what it is and why you use it. Kathy Re: [ ] magnesium malate >In a message dated 7/22/00 10:35:17 AM Central Daylight Time, >elevatordance@... writes: > ><< Could someone please explain what form of magnesium this is? I couldn't > find it at the Vitamin Shoppe which has everything or so I thought. Dr Amy > is recommending this daily. Any suggestions for where to get it? In person > or on line? >> > >You might try calling the Vitamin Shoppe to see if they just don't list it >online. I ordered a huge bottle of it from them a couple of months ago. We >use the Source Naturals brand and it's just called Magnesium Malate. >Sometimes they don't show everything they sell online. >Gaylen > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here: >1/7078/9/_/705339/_/964307004/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 << Any suggestions of where to find a pill cutter? >> Most drugstores have them. They cost about $3. Ask the pharmacist, it is usually displayed in the stuff right near the pharmacy window. Andy Cutler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 << Andy, why is mag malate the best form? >> I don't know that it is best. I never said it was best. Perhaps the people who said it was best can explain why as I too am curious? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 In a message dated 7/23/00 11:52:27 AM Central Daylight Time, elevatordance@... writes: << Magnesium malate but only in 1000 mg tablets. Any suggestions of where to find a pill cutter? Couldn't search one up at VS website. Can I just go to a pharmacy and get one?>> I've seen them at alot of pharmacies. However, if you got the source natural's brand, it breaks pretty easily without a cutter. That's interesting that they only had the 1000mg variety since I just bought the 825 mg a few months ago from them. Curty has been doing well on this 825 mg split into two doses each day -- he's around 45 pounds. << Andy, why is mag malate the best form? there were other forms in 200 mg capsules which is the recommended dose, would have been easier. Why is malate best?>> Since I was the one who suggested this form, I'll answer . You want the Malic Acid to chelate aluminum. Magnesium Malate is basically malic acid -- other forms do not chelate aluminum to my knowledge. You can get malic acid from drinking tons of apple juice too but you'd probably have to drink huge quantities and couldn't control the dosage as well. I have done a few apple juice fasts though that did me a world of good. Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 Okay, I found the Molybdenum (anyone care to try to type a phonetic representation of how to say this?) in the recommended dose 250 Mcg tablets on line at VitaminShoppe.com and Magnesium malate but only in 1000 mg tablets. Any suggestions of where to find a pill cutter? Couldn't search one up at VS website. Can I just go to a pharmacy and get one? Andy, why is mag malate the best form? there were other forms in 200 mg capsules which is the recommended dose, would have been easier. Why is malate best? Also, the recommended dose of Niacinamide is 100 Mg, is there any real danger to giving 250 mg? that was the smallest dose I could find in one capsule. I could split it of course but I am trying to minimize the plates with little heaps of doses of supplements laying around my kitchen. Pretty soon I will have to label them so I don't get confused as to which one is which. Thanks for everyone's input, Heidi Re: [ ] magnesium malate > << Same as above for Molybdenum? >> > > If your kid can swallow tablets the Vitamin Shoppe does have 250 mcg tablets > from AMNI. That is what I eat. I have also seen Moly liquid drops (you need > one or two a day) but don't know where to get them. > > If you use TVS and are reading the catalogue, call or go online - they don't > print their entire stock in the catalogue because they can't afford to mail a > phone book each month! > > Andy > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry > experiments. > 1/7077/9/_/705339/_/964287959/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 thanks, Heidi Re: [ ] magnesium malate > << Any suggestions of where to find a pill cutter? >> > > Most drugstores have them. They cost about $3. Ask the pharmacist, it is > usually displayed in the stuff right near the pharmacy window. > > Andy Cutler > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Make new friends, find the old at Classmates.com: > 1/7075/9/_/705339/_/964373453/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 Heidi, It is mo-lib-de-num. I use a 500mcg scored tablet--it breaks in half very easily. I use a B-50 capsule with 50mg of niacinamide (1/2 capsule 4 X a day). I'm not sure why Dr. Amy's protocol uses mag.malate. I believe magnesium malate chelates aluminum. We used it for months before chelation and surprisingly my son's urine testing showed aluminum below the detection limit. His hair analysis a year earlier showed high aluminum. Also, could it be that Dr. Amy means magnesium malate with 200mg of magnesium not 200mg of magnesium malate? The bottle I have is 1300mg magnesium malate but it only has 200mg of magnesium (about 50% of the RDA) per tablet. Have a great day ), Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 Hmmm, my kid should have a little aluminum chelation going on, he insists on one or 2 apples a day, and I give him his supplements in apple sauce. Heidi phenol police will be at my door shortly... Re: [ ] magnesium malate > In a message dated 7/23/00 11:52:27 AM Central Daylight Time, > elevatordance@... writes: > > << Magnesium malate but only in 1000 mg > tablets. Any suggestions of where to find a pill cutter? Couldn't search > one up at VS website. Can I just go to a pharmacy and get one?>> > > I've seen them at alot of pharmacies. However, if you got the source > natural's brand, it breaks pretty easily without a cutter. That's > interesting that they only had the 1000mg variety since I just bought the 825 > mg a few months ago from them. Curty has been doing well on this 825 mg > split into two doses each day -- he's around 45 pounds. > > << Andy, why is mag malate the best form? there were other forms in 200 mg > capsules which is the recommended dose, would have been easier. Why is > malate best?>> > > Since I was the one who suggested this form, I'll answer . You want the > Malic Acid to chelate aluminum. Magnesium Malate is basically malic acid -- > other forms do not chelate aluminum to my knowledge. You can get malic acid > from drinking tons of apple juice too but you'd probably have to drink huge > quantities and couldn't control the dosage as well. I have done a few apple > juice fasts though that did me a world of good. > Gaylen > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Find long lost high school friends: > 1/7080/9/_/705339/_/964384720/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 I will try to ask Dr Amy if the dosages are right. thanks, Heidi Re: [ ] magnesium malate > Heidi, > > It is mo-lib-de-num. I use a 500mcg scored tablet--it breaks in half > very easily. I use a B-50 capsule with 50mg of niacinamide (1/2 capsule > 4 X a day). > > I'm not sure why Dr. Amy's protocol uses mag.malate. I believe magnesium > malate chelates aluminum. We used it for months before chelation and > surprisingly my son's urine testing showed aluminum below the detection limit. > His hair analysis a year earlier showed high aluminum. Also, could it be that Dr. > Amy means magnesium malate with 200mg of magnesium not 200mg of magnesium > malate? The bottle I have is 1300mg magnesium malate but it only has 200mg of > magnesium (about 50% of the RDA) per tablet. > > Have a great day ), > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here: > 1/7078/9/_/705339/_/964385830/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2000 Report Share Posted July 24, 2000 Walgreens has a pill cutter/crasher in one. (pharmacy in MA). I have also bought a box with dividers and crash pills into caps and place them there so when I need them I do not have to crash. Hope it helps, Vera - > Okay, I found the Molybdenum (anyone care to try to type a phonetic > representation of how to say this?) in the recommended dose 250 Mcg tablets > on line at VitaminShoppe.com and Magnesium malate but only in 1000 mg > tablets. Any suggestions of where to find a pill cutter? Couldn't search > one up at VS website. Can I just go to a pharmacy and get one? > > Andy, why is mag malate the best form? there were other forms in 200 mg > capsules which is the recommended dose, would have been easier. Why is > malate best? > > Also, the recommended dose of Niacinamide is 100 Mg, is there any real > danger to giving 250 mg? that was the smallest dose I could find in one > capsule. I could split it of course but I am trying to minimize the plates > with little heaps of doses of supplements laying around my kitchen. Pretty > soon I will have to label them so I don't get confused as to which one is > which. > > Thanks for everyone's input, > Heidi > > > Re: [ ] magnesium malate > > > > << Same as above for Molybdenum? >> > > > > If your kid can swallow tablets the Vitamin Shoppe does have 250 mcg > tablets > > from AMNI. That is what I eat. I have also seen Moly liquid drops (you > need > > one or two a day) but don't know where to get them. > > > > If you use TVS and are reading the catalogue, call or go online - they > don't > > print their entire stock in the catalogue because they can't afford to > mail a > > phone book each month! > > > > Andy > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry > > experiments. > > 1/7077/9/_/705339/_/964287959/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2000 Report Share Posted July 24, 2000 apples are not great for our kids, it makes lovely ARABINOSE, which makes yeast GROW... Kathy Re: [ ] magnesium malate >Hmmm, my kid should have a little aluminum chelation going on, he insists on >one or 2 apples a day, and I give him his supplements in apple sauce. > >Heidi >phenol police will be at my door shortly... > > > Re: [ ] magnesium malate > > >> In a message dated 7/23/00 11:52:27 AM Central Daylight Time, >> elevatordance@... writes: >> >> << Magnesium malate but only in 1000 mg >> tablets. Any suggestions of where to find a pill cutter? Couldn't >search >> one up at VS website. Can I just go to a pharmacy and get one?>> >> >> I've seen them at alot of pharmacies. However, if you got the source >> natural's brand, it breaks pretty easily without a cutter. That's >> interesting that they only had the 1000mg variety since I just bought the >825 >> mg a few months ago from them. Curty has been doing well on this 825 mg >> split into two doses each day -- he's around 45 pounds. >> >> << Andy, why is mag malate the best form? there were other forms in 200 >mg >> capsules which is the recommended dose, would have been easier. Why is >> malate best?>> >> >> Since I was the one who suggested this form, I'll answer . You want the >> Malic Acid to chelate aluminum. Magnesium Malate is basically malic >acid -- >> other forms do not chelate aluminum to my knowledge. You can get malic >acid >> from drinking tons of apple juice too but you'd probably have to drink >huge >> quantities and couldn't control the dosage as well. I have done a few >apple >> juice fasts though that did me a world of good. >> Gaylen >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Find long lost high school friends: >> 1/7080/9/_/705339/_/964384720/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2000 Report Share Posted July 24, 2000 The woman in the Vitamin Shoppe near me pronounces it moly-beed-num. When dividing doses from a capsule, I hold it vertically, take the " top " (larger outside piece) off , pour out what I need into his cup, and put the " cover " back on, for later use. Since I am the only person accessing the supplement bottles, I know what is left in the partially empty capsules. It isn't hard to approximate by halves or thirds. This is not a perfect method, but so many times I can't find the right dosage. Kathy Re: [ ] magnesium malate >Okay, I found the Molybdenum (anyone care to try to type a phonetic >representation of how to say this?) in the recommended dose 250 Mcg tablets >on line at VitaminShoppe.com and Magnesium malate but only in 1000 mg >tablets. Any suggestions of where to find a pill cutter? Couldn't search >one up at VS website. Can I just go to a pharmacy and get one? > >Andy, why is mag malate the best form? there were other forms in 200 mg >capsules which is the recommended dose, would have been easier. Why is >malate best? > >Also, the recommended dose of Niacinamide is 100 Mg, is there any real >danger to giving 250 mg? that was the smallest dose I could find in one >capsule. I could split it of course but I am trying to minimize the plates >with little heaps of doses of supplements laying around my kitchen. Pretty >soon I will have to label them so I don't get confused as to which one is >which. > >Thanks for everyone's input, >Heidi > > > Re: [ ] magnesium malate > > >> << Same as above for Molybdenum? >> >> >> If your kid can swallow tablets the Vitamin Shoppe does have 250 mcg >tablets >> from AMNI. That is what I eat. I have also seen Moly liquid drops (you >need >> one or two a day) but don't know where to get them. >> >> If you use TVS and are reading the catalogue, call or go online - they >don't >> print their entire stock in the catalogue because they can't afford to >mail a >> phone book each month! >> >> Andy >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry >> experiments. >> 1/7077/9/_/705339/_/964287959/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2000 Report Share Posted July 24, 2000 andy what other suppliments do you use and do you feel you have completely rid your body of mercury.???? kelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2000 Report Share Posted July 24, 2000 << andy what other suppliments do you use and do you feel you have completely rid your body of mercury.???? kelly >> I use a gazillion supplements and I feel I have got 80 or 90% of the mercury out and slowly keep prying away at it. Abbreviated list: 4x/day: C 1 gram B30 combo Milk thistle hydergine (Rx) arginine/ornithine TMG choline folate (extra) chromium Other schedule Calcium Lots of magnesium zinc molybdenum lots of flax oil a bit of borage oil a bit of CLA a lot of lecithin vitamin E all kinds of caroteines, lycopene, lutein, etc. DHEA pregnenolone forskolin selegline (Rx) I also take thyroid hormone and testosterone. I've been able to wean the thyroid dose down by 2/3 since January. At this point I could probably stop a lot of this stuff but I am pretty used to taking it and don't want to go cold turkey on it so I have been slowly weaning off some of it for the last 6 months or so. I do generally believe in the story behind " life extension " (which is why I knew enough about vitamins to do something useful with them when I got really toxic in '94) so I will keep taking a lot of this stuff even when perfectly well. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2001 Report Share Posted January 16, 2001 Has there ever been a discussion on the half life of Mag malate and how often it should be administered? If it is moving Aluminum around, should it be a constant dose like the other chelating agents? thanks, Heidi Re: arsenic>> I just joined this group and have had no response to my e-mail thatI had> posted so I will re-post.>> >I have 3 questions: (Should I be addressing this to Andy?)>> >My almost 3 yr old son is mildly autistic with all the classissymptom...> >yeast, parasites, bacteria... having trouble getting rid of them.His> >hair analysis showed him high in aluminum, Antimony, Arsenic,among others.>> >Besides recieving ALL his vaccines (had no clue), I got a rootcanal done> >while I was nursing him. Is this red flag?>> > Someone told me that high aluminum means high mercury levels.Does> > anyone know if this is true?>> > We have a company come and spray for bugs every quarter. ShouldI be> > concerned about this?>>> Lori Knowles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2001 Report Share Posted January 17, 2001 In a message dated 1/16/01 1:35:47 PM Central Standard Time, elevatordance@... writes: << Has there ever been a discussion on the half life of Mag malate and how often it should be administered? If it is moving Aluminum around, should it be a constant dose like the other chelating agents? >> I haven't seen much research as to half-life but we've taken it only twice a day with good results. Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2001 Report Share Posted January 17, 2001 Gaylen, Has your son been on ALA? Just wondering what results he had with it. Kathy Re: [ ] Re: Magnesium Malate >In a message dated 1/16/01 1:35:47 PM Central Standard Time, >elevatordance@... writes: > ><< Has there ever been a discussion on the half life of Mag malate and how >often it should be administered? If it is moving Aluminum around, should it >be a constant dose like the other chelating agents? >> > >I haven't seen much research as to half-life but we've taken it only twice a >day with good results. >Gaylen > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 At 15:51 19/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: does anyone know where I can buy this or who makes it? >Thanks. Vicky > >look on this site: http://www.sourcenaturals.com/guide/magn.html >__________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 At 23:52 19/02/2002 -0500, you wrote: >At 15:51 19/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: does anyone know where I can buy this >or who makes it? > >Thanks. Vicky > > > >Here is an even better site. I have order chromium from them before they are reputable. http://www.iherb.com/mag.html >regards, . > >__________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 In a message dated 8/2/03 9:47:49 AM, pruep@... writes: << Apparently malate comes from fruit. Has anyone had trouble with this because of the phenols? >> Aha! I started J on mag malate yesterday, and he was very hyper and pestering and couldn't sleep even though exhausted. He's got a URI so I had figured he was just sick and felt crummy. But now that you mention it, those are his too-much-phenol symptoms. You know, I really think my IQ slides lower every day.... Thanks for the tip! Won't be using that again. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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