Re: Diann's Pulpit Suplimental

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Look Diann; If you and the others on this list would like to discuss, your spiritual beliefs, "involving healing", I would think that would be appropriate on this list. My beliefs on healing are that we need to address all aspects of the illness, "body, Mind , spirit".

Dealing with the body aspects includes, all the forms of naturepathic, homeopathetic, and allopathic medicine, including surgery when neccessary.

Mind, would be dealing with the emotions, and thought patterns that helped to bring on the illness, and were brought on by the illness.

Spirit, would be meditations, prayer, psychic work, energy work, etc.

But in order for us to discuss this everyone would need to stop pounding the pulpit, and have some concideration for other peoples beliefs, ( not pushing their's on others, but presenting it for discussion appropriate for this forum). When this happens, with other open minded people, a healing begins, first, between the variuos spiritual diciplines. then for the people that have shared. I feel that if we could do that we may all come away, more enlightened. But it would have to be kept on a level of sharing information that could be used for healing. And standing on a soapbox pounding your pulpit, to make others accept your belief system.

Klaus

In a message dated 9/18/01 12:57:58 PM Mountain Daylight Time, Skibelt@... writes:

I didn't say that you don't have a right to share what you believe, no matter how rediculous it is. This is an email list for those looking for alternative mods of healing cancer. If you want to share this dribble go to the christians forums.

The problem I see with fundamentalists is that they never evolve. Acupuncture???????? a religion????????????// that just goes to shows how much you know. Acupuncture is is a 5000 year old science. It was proven with modern day science, back in th 20's in america, when they first started working with electronics. Those researchers, ( who's names excape me at this time) mapped out the intire meridian system, just as it was layed out in these 5000 year old texts.

To "Christians" everything that may appear to be different than what they know from their church is always called witchcraft. Did you know that there were no witches in Salem. Those "Christians" tortured and burned their friends, family and neighbors, because of food poisoning. Is this really what you are wanting.

Another point,,,,,,,,, Why is it that you are subscribed to this list, if you feel that all other forms of healing are witchcraft or satanic?

And,,,,,,,,,, most witchs do believe in god, and jesus's message. Witchcraft is not of the devil. But your thinking and attitude is most definitly. Did Jesus teach tolerance for other peoples ways????????

I'm not apposed to hearing about god. but you put your rediculous beliefs into these messages. I've been through all that and it's not what I believe. that's why I don't go to the religous forums. Jesus did not die for our sins, that's nonsense. It's like me going out and murdering someone and you going to jail for to atone for that sin. Jesus is not our savior, he is just a messenger that came to bring us information that we need to get back to god. Following someone that is holding a picture of him is not going to get you back to god. Only living the principles that were contained in his message can do that. Accepting god into my life is not going to cure my cancer. Living the principles that jesus brought us, dealing with the physical body and the emotions, and connecting to god is the only thing that will do that. so stop pushing your beliefs on this forum. Unless you can curb your nonsense "religiuos beliefs in the process. Find a way,,,,, or go to the religiuos forums to push this dribble.

Klaus In a message dated 9/18/01 10:10:45 AM Mountain Daylight Time, eat2heal@... writes:

I thought we were about exploring all healing modalities to help people with cancer.

God's word is a source of healing and your anger and rejection of it is your problem and your problems should be kept to yourself. There are plenty of souls wanting the truth of God's words and God's word says that He sent His word for our healing. You have no right to demand that God is not a source of healing. God's word is truth and our creator is not a man that He should lie. Your anomosity is not protecting any body, nor are you concerned with truth, you just want your truth and others who disagree with "your" truth anger you. It is my truth that God's word clearly says that we are to avoid all forms of witchcraft and witchcraft does try to mock God's healing power. Acupunture is not based on science it is based on religion and it is not from the God of the Bible. If you reject the Bible that is fine, that is your business, but it is not your business to tell others they have no right to hear about what the Bible says about healing.

So you can reject that if you want, but you have no right to tell me or others we have no right to share this truth with others.

God Bless you

Diann Messer

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In a message dated 9/18/2001 2:39:37 PM Central Daylight Time, Skibelt@... writes:

to make others accept your belief system.

Nobody made you believe what you believe, and I am not trying to make anybody believe anything. It is always a free choice, something you seem to think is limited to ungodly belief systems. If I share God's word and that bothers you, then why should it bother you? You don't have to believe God what God's word says. You are a free will agent. So why do you feel a need to restrict those who share God's word? I never said stop telling people acupuncture is not demonic. I never said to you to stop doing anything. You can choose to tell people anything you want. If I know God is truth and man is the liar and the only test for truth is Jesus' word and I share that, you don't have to believe it, but there are others who will and it is their free will that chooses to believe. Jesus never made anybody to believe on Him. You don't have to believe that either, but then again maybe one day the Holy Spirit will convict you and you will know the truth and the truth you know will make you free from all deception.

Don't worry, no body can make you believe anything you don't want too.

Diann

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good words, esp at this time! healing, as the energy between people and or in the universe is important, i agree, however, spare me the religious babble...I was thinking that energy, the Asiqn 'Qi' is probably what is behind much success in bio-electric etc treatments, and indeed, in such "holy miraculous places" such as Lourdes, where water and energy is involved. Many people who have gone there were probably in one prone position for so long, that the change, the water, the energy, the trip alone changed the energy force and caused or helped major de-toxing. Do any of the more medical or scientific of you on this forum think that such is possible? An interesting book , for skeptics and believers, written by a skeptic, is called, 3Miracle at Lourdes3, Ruth Cranston. More cancer sufferers should give it a try.