Re: a very long plea for help

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In a message dated 01/08/2006 07:17:10 GMT Daylight Time,

chatthisway@... writes:

If any one can offer advice on what I can do to try to cope with

these very aggressive behaviors I would appreciate your comments.

>>>Do you think they are related to the frustration of not being able to

express himself?

You could consider PECS - Picture Exchange CommunicatioN System. The 2 day

training from Pyramid Education is excellent.

_www.pecs.com_ (http://www.pecs.com)

Mandi in UK

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What diet and supplements is he on? Have you done a DDI hair elements test?

What did it show? How many mercury amalgam dental fillings does he have? When

were his most recent vaccines? As someone else mentioned, consider PECS.

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Can I ask what kinds of supports (either school based or community based)

are in place for your son? Pam

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,

though i have not started chelation for my daughter yet. She is 8.

When she was about 4 she used ot be very violent and would always give

herself black eyes from head banging bite and draw blood etc......

Turns out she was highly allergic to milk and has celiacs condition.

Within 3 days of being off the milk the behaviors stopped. BTW she also smeared

which also stopped.

I think one thing would be to try GF CF diet. I am sure erverone else

will be able to help you further.......................Jen

chatthisway <chatthisway@...> wrote:

is very strong and very strong willed seven year old with

developmental delayes and wobbly gross motor. He is non verbal ans

has a hard time mastering signs. Scary combo. Since cannot

communicate well I can understand why he may behave frustrated

like, But he is now way to difficult for me to handle. My

daughter is ADHD so I know how one with ADHD acts, but of course

also have developmental disabilities. His fit throwing has

increased to the point now where I cannot redirect his energies at

all. When he has his " fits of rage " for lack of better terms, he

tries to hurt me or who ever is near by. Sometimes he doesn't even

know the person they are just walking by at the wrong time. He

grabs and throws what ever he can reach at that moment and does not

calm down until he is ready. I can not redirect his attention.

He also has " fits of orneriness " . When he seems in a good mood

but begins to pinch, pull hair, hit or has even been known to bite

and scratch out of pure Orneriness. He thinks it is funny. There

are times when he gets " out of control " hyper active. He spends

sometimes an hour or more obsessively climbing on chairs, rolling

around, trying to hang on me, throwing toys, trying to grab other

things to throw, and sometimes shake his head no till he's dizzy.

I have to let him wear down any kind of intervention seems to make

him more intense or I end up getting hurt. One day when I was on

the phone he was playing with sister (11) in the same room as I was

in, out of the blue he came up behind my chair, grabbed my hair and

pulled me down. I have no understanding why, except he may have

been frustrated that sissy would take him outside to play.

Meal times are very unhappy most of the time due to

never wanting to sit down. Also he throws food and dumps his drinks

on purpose the tries to eat and drink our dinner. Reminds me of

Helen Keller except I don't tolerate it. Although I do not know how

to really handle situations as this. We take his food away and tell

him he has to wait a while to eat. Then he still won't sit in the

living room while we eat he tries to get into stuff to get my

attention so I cannot enjoy my meal. Restaurants are a joke. My

mom took my grandma, my daughter, and I to dinner a Shari's

last Saturday. After about 5 min he then started standing up on the

seat and I had a hard time getting him to sit down, then He kept

trying to crawl out on the booth right over my lap. I took him

outside for a walk until our food came and then we went back into

eat. He would not sit down instead while I was trying to wrestle

him to sit down he was intentionally trying to put his feet on the

table to knock things over. I then told my mom to get my food to go

and bring it to the car where I put in his car seat, which

is always a struggle, and he watched me eat. Then I fed him 30 min

later.

has also started to wander off, getting more brave and

as the staple in his head will prove his behavior and I not knowing

how to handle it is getting us both hurt.

I watched a video today called " Day By Day Raising the child with

Autism/PDD by Joan F Goodman And Hoban. Although does

not have a diagnosis of Autism he has always exhibited some of the

challenging behaviors and I have always figured what works for

autism child is worth trying on any developmentally delayed child.

Any way the girl in this video does everything like . To the

tee. never acted unaware of people when he was little and

loves people, But he is non verbal and age 7 with a mentality in

some thing of a 3 year old. Also he is like having terrible 2s

times 10 right now. And transitions are horrible fits even getting

out of the car it seems. Even though he barely focuses on an

activity but bounces from one thing to another with no real intent

It is still hard to get him to do something that is not his idea.

It is true he act the worst with me his mother so no one believes

the way he acts.

If any one can offer advice on what I can do to try to cope with

these very aggressive behaviors I would appreciate your comments.

Thank you

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Dear ,

Your description does sound a lot like autism. Before my dgs was

born, I worked with adults and teens with developmental disorders.

Once in a while I would meet a kid who didn't fit the mold and now I

think I was looking at a kid with autism that had fallen through the

diagnostic cracks.

If I were you, I would beging an exploration into biomedical

interventions for your child, pretending for the moment that autism is

his real diagnosis (One of my favorite people is Dr. Sid Baker and he

says that the whole idea of diagnosis is faulty and that we should be

looking at the needs of each individual). At any rate, you have

nothing to lose.

If it were my kid, I'd start by cleaning up his diet. What this

means for you will take some study and a lot of thought. Start by

going to this site and checking out the recovery videos and the

CAVEMAN DIET: http://www.childrenscornerschool.com/recoveries.htm

After that, you can go to the Center for the Study of Autism and

download for free, the videos from the DAN! conferences. They are

incredible and have helped me to understand my options like nothing

else. I would start with the most recent videos from Washington DC

and begin with the talks on diet interventions.

If your son's problems are just a lot like autism and not actually

autism, he will still benefit from what you learn and try. Please

believe me, you have much to gain from doing this. Good luck to you

and .

>

> is very strong and very strong willed seven year old with

> developmental delayes and wobbly gross motor. He is non verbal ans

> has a hard time mastering signs. Scary combo. Since cannot

> communicate well I can understand why he may behave frustrated

> like, But he is now way to difficult for me to handle. My

> daughter is ADHD so I know how one with ADHD acts, but of course

> also have developmental disabilities. His fit throwing has

> increased to the point now where I cannot redirect his energies at

> all. When he has his " fits of rage " for lack of better terms, he

> tries to hurt me or who ever is near by. Sometimes he doesn't even

> know the person they are just walking by at the wrong time. He

> grabs and throws what ever he can reach at that moment and does not

> calm down until he is ready. I can not redirect his attention.

>

> He also has " fits of orneriness " . When he seems in a good mood

> but begins to pinch, pull hair, hit or has even been known to bite

> and scratch out of pure Orneriness. He thinks it is funny. There

> are times when he gets " out of control " hyper active. He spends

> sometimes an hour or more obsessively climbing on chairs, rolling

> around, trying to hang on me, throwing toys, trying to grab other

> things to throw, and sometimes shake his head no till he's dizzy.

> I have to let him wear down any kind of intervention seems to make

> him more intense or I end up getting hurt. One day when I was on

> the phone he was playing with sister (11) in the same room as I was

> in, out of the blue he came up behind my chair, grabbed my hair and

> pulled me down. I have no understanding why, except he may have

> been frustrated that sissy would take him outside to play.

>

>

> Meal times are very unhappy most of the time due to

> never wanting to sit down. Also he throws food and dumps his drinks

> on purpose the tries to eat and drink our dinner. Reminds me of

> Helen Keller except I don't tolerate it. Although I do not know how

> to really handle situations as this. We take his food away and tell

> him he has to wait a while to eat. Then he still won't sit in the

> living room while we eat he tries to get into stuff to get my

> attention so I cannot enjoy my meal. Restaurants are a joke. My

> mom took my grandma, my daughter, and I to dinner a Shari's

> last Saturday. After about 5 min he then started standing up on the

> seat and I had a hard time getting him to sit down, then He kept

> trying to crawl out on the booth right over my lap. I took him

> outside for a walk until our food came and then we went back into

> eat. He would not sit down instead while I was trying to wrestle

> him to sit down he was intentionally trying to put his feet on the

> table to knock things over. I then told my mom to get my food to go

> and bring it to the car where I put in his car seat, which

> is always a struggle, and he watched me eat. Then I fed him 30 min

> later.

>

> has also started to wander off, getting more brave and

> as the staple in his head will prove his behavior and I not knowing

> how to handle it is getting us both hurt.

>

> I watched a video today called " Day By Day Raising the child with

> Autism/PDD by Joan F Goodman And Hoban. Although does

> not have a diagnosis of Autism he has always exhibited some of the

> challenging behaviors and I have always figured what works for

> autism child is worth trying on any developmentally delayed child.

> Any way the girl in this video does everything like . To the

> tee. never acted unaware of people when he was little and

> loves people, But he is non verbal and age 7 with a mentality in

> some thing of a 3 year old. Also he is like having terrible 2s

> times 10 right now. And transitions are horrible fits even getting

> out of the car it seems. Even though he barely focuses on an

> activity but bounces from one thing to another with no real intent

> It is still hard to get him to do something that is not his idea.

> It is true he act the worst with me his mother so no one believes

> the way he acts.

>

> If any one can offer advice on what I can do to try to cope with

> these very aggressive behaviors I would appreciate your comments.

>

> Thank you

>

>

>

>

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> When he has his " fits of rage " for lack of better terms, he

> tries to hurt me or who ever is near by. Sometimes he doesn't even

> know the person they are just walking by at the wrong time. He

> grabs and throws what ever he can reach at that moment and does not

> calm down until he is ready.

First of all, you have my sympathy. I've been there and it is a really

hard place to be.

I found this book to be invaluable

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006077939X/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-6829589-8177\

561?ie=UTF8

Also the Feingold Diet, see www.feingold.org

Also treating for yeast, usually with GSE.

Chelation has helped tremendously too, ALA and DMSA, low frequent

doses as described at Moria's site (yu can find that in the files).

It's so tough. But he can get better, he really can.

Nell

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Basically, the only support I have found is on the Internet, which I have

scoured for info for several months now. I have called the DPI (Dept. of Public

Instr.) in our state to get help from the parent hotline. I have just begun to

look at any community events, but none seem to be going on. I also have a

contact # for a rep. from Autism Society. I will keep trying! Thanks

ppanda65@... wrote: Can I ask what kinds of supports (either school

based or community based)

are in place for your son? Pam

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At 06:24 AM 8/1/2006, you wrote:

>I have heard high dose inositol is good for aggression issues.

Choline has helped us a lot as well, though we are dealing with a

less severe and less complicated situation.

Stroyan

www.empathic-discipline.com

Click here to email me directly:

<mailto:lstroyan@...>lstroyan@...

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What state are you located in? Pam

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>

> is very strong and very strong willed seven year old with

> developmental delayes and wobbly gross motor. He is non verbal ans

> has a hard time mastering signs. Scary combo. Since cannot

> communicate well I can understand why he may behave frustrated

> like, But he is now way to difficult for me to handle. My

> daughter is ADHD so I know how one with ADHD acts, but of course

> also have developmental disabilities. His fit throwing has

> increased to the point now where I cannot redirect his energies at

> all. When he has his " fits of rage " for lack of better terms, he

> tries to hurt me or who ever is near by. Sometimes he doesn't even

> know the person they are just walking by at the wrong time. He

> grabs and throws what ever he can reach at that moment and does not

> calm down until he is ready. I can not redirect his attention.

>

> He also has " fits of orneriness " . When he seems in a good mood

> but begins to pinch, pull hair, hit or has even been known to bite

> and scratch out of pure Orneriness. He thinks it is funny. There

> are times when he gets " out of control " hyper active. He spends

> sometimes an hour or more obsessively climbing on chairs, rolling

> around, trying to hang on me, throwing toys, trying to grab other

> things to throw, and sometimes shake his head no till he's dizzy.

> I have to let him wear down any kind of intervention seems to make

> him more intense or I end up getting hurt. One day when I was on

> the phone he was playing with sister (11) in the same room as I was

> in, out of the blue he came up behind my chair, grabbed my hair and

> pulled me down. I have no understanding why, except he may have

> been frustrated that sissy would take him outside to play.

>

>

> Meal times are very unhappy most of the time due to

> never wanting to sit down. Also he throws food and dumps his drinks

> on purpose the tries to eat and drink our dinner. Reminds me of

> Helen Keller except I don't tolerate it. Although I do not know how

> to really handle situations as this. We take his food away and tell

> him he has to wait a while to eat. Then he still won't sit in the

> living room while we eat he tries to get into stuff to get my

> attention so I cannot enjoy my meal. Restaurants are a joke. My

> mom took my grandma, my daughter, and I to dinner a Shari's

> last Saturday. After about 5 min he then started standing up on the

> seat and I had a hard time getting him to sit down, then He kept

> trying to crawl out on the booth right over my lap. I took him

> outside for a walk until our food came and then we went back into

> eat. He would not sit down instead while I was trying to wrestle

> him to sit down he was intentionally trying to put his feet on the

> table to knock things over. I then told my mom to get my food to go

> and bring it to the car where I put in his car seat, which

> is always a struggle, and he watched me eat. Then I fed him 30 min

> later.

>

> has also started to wander off, getting more brave and

> as the staple in his head will prove his behavior and I not knowing

> how to handle it is getting us both hurt.

>

> I watched a video today called " Day By Day Raising the child with

> Autism/PDD by Joan F Goodman And Hoban. Although does

> not have a diagnosis of Autism he has always exhibited some of the

> challenging behaviors and I have always figured what works for

> autism child is worth trying on any developmentally delayed child.

> Any way the girl in this video does everything like . To the

> tee. never acted unaware of people when he was little and

> loves people, But he is non verbal and age 7 with a mentality in

> some thing of a 3 year old. Also he is like having terrible 2s

> times 10 right now. And transitions are horrible fits even getting

> out of the car it seems. Even though he barely focuses on an

> activity but bounces from one thing to another with no real intent

> It is still hard to get him to do something that is not his idea.

> It is true he act the worst with me his mother so no one believes

> the way he acts.

>

> If any one can offer advice on what I can do to try to cope with

> these very aggressive behaviors I would appreciate your comments.

>

> Thank you

>

>

>

>

Hi ,

I am so sorry to hear about the troubles that you are having.

is also 7 years old, and he is getting very strong willed and defiant,

but nothing like what you are dealing with at home. Have you tried

chelation with DMSA and ALA yet? We were fortunate enough to have

started when he was 2 3/4 years old, and now that he is 7 we

chelate about once every 6 months. We have just started a chelation

two days ago to help him better deal with his anger and defiance, and

it is already helping.

I haven't posted in a while, but I have posted 's progress for

the last four or five years on this board. All I can say is that when

was 18 months old he lost all of his speech and by 2 1/2 he was

completely nonverbal and he would spend all day crawling around the

edge of the floor looking out of the sides of his eyes. He was

diagnosed autistic at 2 3/4, and we found a DAN doctor who helped us

chelate using the DAN protocol.

is now 7, and he just graduated from 1st grade this summer.

He is fully verbal and reads, writes and types. He has made many

friends at school, and he scored all 2 and 3 on his report card.

Except for his obsession with computers, most people don't know that

he has autism anymore.

All this progress came from Chelation, Vitamins and a lot of ABA

and preschool with a full time shadow. If you have not tried

chelation, it can work miracles with children. is still very

young, and he could make tremendous progress, it would just take

longer to remove the mercury, cadmium and lead from his body.

You mentioned that you tried to go to a Shari's with your son. It

sounds like you also live in the Pacific Northwest. I live in

Vancouver, WA, and my wife and I would be happy to talk to you about

what could be done to help . I have seen the power that God

can use to change an impossible situation, and I will take the time to

pray for your family. Just know that there is hope out there, because

I know how hard it can be to keep going on day after day.

God Bless,

Garry Lund

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If you haven't already contacted your local Parent Information Training

Project that is what I would do:

Janice LaChance, Director

Maine Parent Federation/SPIN

P.O. Box 2067

Augusta, ME 04338-2067

(207) 582--2504; (800) 870-7746 (In ME)

E-mail: _lachance@..._

(mailto:lachance@...)

They may be able to help you navigate some other systems available to get

more help and maybe some respite, training and/or support groups for your

family. Pam

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I'm in Maine!

Ricki

Re: ( ) A very long plea for help

> What state are you located in? Pam

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> is very strong and very strong willed seven year old with

> developmental delayes and wobbly gross motor.

For gross motor issues, consider yeast overgrowth, and deficiencies in

amino acids and B vitamins.

>>He is non verbal ans

> has a hard time mastering signs. Scary combo.

My son was non-verbal and NEVER understood PECS or signs. On this

page, I wrote what he needed for language

http://www.danasview.net/issues.htm

>>His fit throwing has

> increased to the point now where I cannot redirect his energies at

> all. When he has his " fits of rage " for lack of better terms, he

> tries to hurt me or who ever is near by.

Food or supplement intolerance, or yeast overgrowth, can cause this.

There are a few other reasons, but these are the most common.

> He also has " fits of orneriness " . When he seems in a good mood

> but begins to pinch, pull hair, hit or has even been known to bite

> and scratch out of pure Orneriness.

Same comment as above.

>>There

> are times when he gets " out of control " hyper active. He spends

> sometimes an hour or more obsessively climbing on chairs, rolling

> around, trying to hang on me, throwing toys, trying to grab other

> things to throw, and sometimes shake his head no till he's dizzy.

These meant yeast overgrowth for my son

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

Dana

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Some don't " get " line drawings and need photos instead. There are various sets

of communication photos available.

S S

NEVER understood PECS or signs.

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Hi ,

First, I'm very sorry for what you are experiencing.

I think any parent would be exhausted. I teach sign

language classes for hearing infants & toddlers and

have had autistic students in my classes. As I read

your email the behaviors you described did remind me

of these children.

One child has made great strides and I asked his

mother what they did that helped him. She said they

had him evaluated through a program in their local

school district and their doctor prescribed new

medications that made him a totally different child.

I know medication is not for everyone, but in their

case it helped them immensely. Perhaps this is

something you can discuss with your pediatrician.

More than anything the moms in my classes tell me that

getting support is very important for them. They have

respite care where the children can go and play while

the mommies get a break. I would encourage you to

find programs in your area and seek an official

diagnosis so you and your doctors can find ways to

help all of you.

Praying for you friend!

April

--- chatthisway <chatthisway@...> wrote:

> is very strong and very strong willed seven

> year old with

> developmental delayes and wobbly gross motor. He is

> non verbal ans

> has a hard time mastering signs. Scary combo.

> Since cannot

> communicate well I can understand why he may behave

> frustrated

> like, But he is now way to difficult for me to

> handle. My

> daughter is ADHD so I know how one with ADHD acts,

> but of course

> also have developmental disabilities. His

> fit throwing has

> increased to the point now where I cannot redirect

> his energies at

> all. When he has his " fits of rage " for lack of

> better terms, he

> tries to hurt me or who ever is near by. Sometimes

> he doesn't even

> know the person they are just walking by at the

> wrong time. He

> grabs and throws what ever he can reach at that

> moment and does not

> calm down until he is ready. I can not redirect his

> attention.

>

> He also has " fits of orneriness " . When he seems

> in a good mood

> but begins to pinch, pull hair, hit or has even been

> known to bite

> and scratch out of pure Orneriness. He thinks it is

> funny. There

> are times when he gets " out of control " hyper

> active. He spends

> sometimes an hour or more obsessively climbing on

> chairs, rolling

> around, trying to hang on me, throwing toys, trying

> to grab other

> things to throw, and sometimes shake his head no

> till he's dizzy.

> I have to let him wear down any kind of intervention

> seems to make

> him more intense or I end up getting hurt. One day

> when I was on

> the phone he was playing with sister (11) in the

> same room as I was

> in, out of the blue he came up behind my chair,

> grabbed my hair and

> pulled me down. I have no understanding why, except

> he may have

> been frustrated that sissy would take him outside to

> play.

>

>

> Meal times are very unhappy most of the time due

> to

> never wanting to sit down. Also he throws food and

> dumps his drinks

> on purpose the tries to eat and drink our dinner.

> Reminds me of

> Helen Keller except I don't tolerate it. Although I

> do not know how

> to really handle situations as this. We take his

> food away and tell

> him he has to wait a while to eat. Then he still

> won't sit in the

> living room while we eat he tries to get into stuff

> to get my

> attention so I cannot enjoy my meal. Restaurants

> are a joke. My

> mom took my grandma, my daughter, and I to

> dinner a Shari's

> last Saturday. After about 5 min he then started

> standing up on the

> seat and I had a hard time getting him to sit down,

> then He kept

> trying to crawl out on the booth right over my lap.

> I took him

> outside for a walk until our food came and then we

> went back into

> eat. He would not sit down instead while I was

> trying to wrestle

> him to sit down he was intentionally trying to put

> his feet on the

> table to knock things over. I then told my mom to

> get my food to go

> and bring it to the car where I put in his

> car seat, which

> is always a struggle, and he watched me eat. Then I

> fed him 30 min

> later.

>

> has also started to wander off,

> getting more brave and

> as the staple in his head will prove his behavior

> and I not knowing

> how to handle it is getting us both hurt.

>

> I watched a video today called " Day By Day Raising

> the child with

> Autism/PDD by Joan F Goodman And Hoban.

> Although does

> not have a diagnosis of Autism he has always

> exhibited some of the

> challenging behaviors and I have always figured what

> works for

> autism child is worth trying on any developmentally

> delayed child.

> Any way the girl in this video does everything like

> . To the

> tee. never acted unaware of people when he

> was little and

> loves people, But he is non verbal and age 7 with a

> mentality in

> some thing of a 3 year old. Also he is like having

> terrible 2s

> times 10 right now. And transitions are horrible

> fits even getting

> out of the car it seems. Even though he barely

> focuses on an

> activity but bounces from one thing to another with

> no real intent

> It is still hard to get him to do something that is

> not his idea.

> It is true he act the worst with me his mother so no

> one believes

> the way he acts.

>

> If any one can offer advice on what I can do to try

> to cope with

> these very aggressive behaviors I would appreciate

> your comments.

>

> Thank you

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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((((()))))

First of all, I'm curious... What kind of doctor's has been

seeing? What have they recommended?

Also, is he on any medication? Our 4yo was VERY agressive (biting,

kicking, hair pulling, throwing things, etc.) and this diminished

significantly after he was placed on Clonidine and Risperdal. His

little brain was going too fast for him to put cohesive thoughts

together and the Clonidine helped to slow down his thinking. He's

verbal and always has been, but before the Clonidine, he would only

speak in one word " commands. " Now he speaks in sentences. The

Risperdal has helped significantly with his agression.

Always be sure to praise his good behavior. I know this may seem

extremely obvious to a lot of people, but I have a hard time

remembering to that that myself so I know how easy it is to forget

sometimes.

He may have " leaky gut " and is something you may want to investigate.

Google the net and see what it has to say about that. You may want to

consider changes to his diet. I know that a gluten-free, casein-free

diet has done wonders for some children in the autism spectrum (my

son was gfcf for 4 months and he's still cf and it's been amazing how

much it's helped him) and it might help too. Here's a link

that might be of interest to you:

http://www.glutensolutions.com/autism.htm

How are his stools? Are they loose? Foul smelling? Is he regular?

Bless your heart! You hang in there! We all know how challenging

parenting a child with special needs can be.

Hugs!

Kat

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> is very strong and very strong willed seven year old with

> developmental delayes and wobbly gross motor. He is non verbal ans

> has a hard time mastering signs. Scary combo. Since cannot

> communicate well I can understand why he may behave frustrated

> like, But he is now way to difficult for me to handle. My

> daughter is ADHD so I know how one with ADHD acts, but of course

> also have developmental disabilities. His fit throwing has

> increased to the point now where I cannot redirect his energies at

> all. When he has his " fits of rage " for lack of better terms, he

> tries to hurt me or who ever is near by. Sometimes he doesn't even

> know the person they are just walking by at the wrong time. He

> grabs and throws what ever he can reach at that moment and does not

> calm down until he is ready. I can not redirect his attention.

>

> He also has " fits of orneriness " . When he seems in a good mood

> but begins to pinch, pull hair, hit or has even been known to bite

> and scratch out of pure Orneriness. He thinks it is funny. There

> are times when he gets " out of control " hyper active. He spends

> sometimes an hour or more obsessively climbing on chairs, rolling

> around, trying to hang on me, throwing toys, trying to grab other

> things to throw, and sometimes shake his head no till he's dizzy.

> I have to let him wear down any kind of intervention seems to make

> him more intense or I end up getting hurt. One day when I was on

> the phone he was playing with sister (11) in the same room as I was

> in, out of the blue he came up behind my chair, grabbed my hair and

> pulled me down. I have no understanding why, except he may have

> been frustrated that sissy would take him outside to play.

>

> Meal times are very unhappy most of the time due to

> never wanting to sit down. Also he throws food and dumps his drinks

> on purpose the tries to eat and drink our dinner. Reminds me of

> Helen Keller except I don't tolerate it. Although I do not know how

> to really handle situations as this. We take his food away and tell

> him he has to wait a while to eat. Then he still won't sit in the

> living room while we eat he tries to get into stuff to get my

> attention so I cannot enjoy my meal. Restaurants are a joke. My

> mom took my grandma, my daughter, and I to dinner a Shari's

> last Saturday. After about 5 min he then started standing up on the

> seat and I had a hard time getting him to sit down, then He kept

> trying to crawl out on the booth right over my lap. I took him

> outside for a walk until our food came and then we went back into

> eat. He would not sit down instead while I was trying to wrestle

> him to sit down he was intentionally trying to put his feet on the

> table to knock things over. I then told my mom to get my food to go

> and bring it to the car where I put in his car seat, which

> is always a struggle, and he watched me eat. Then I fed him 30 min

> later.

>

> has also started to wander off, getting more brave and

> as the staple in his head will prove his behavior and I not knowing

> how to handle it is getting us both hurt.

>

> I watched a video today called " Day By Day Raising the child with

> Autism/PDD by Joan F Goodman And Hoban. Although does

> not have a diagnosis of Autism he has always exhibited some of the

> challenging behaviors and I have always figured what works for

> autism child is worth trying on any developmentally delayed child.

> Any way the girl in this video does everything like . To the

> tee. never acted unaware of people when he was little and

> loves people, But he is non verbal and age 7 with a mentality in

> some thing of a 3 year old. Also he is like having terrible 2s

> times 10 right now. And transitions are horrible fits even getting

> out of the car it seems. Even though he barely focuses on an

> activity but bounces from one thing to another with no real intent

> It is still hard to get him to do something that is not his idea.

> It is true he act the worst with me his mother so no one believes

> the way he acts.

>

> If any one can offer advice on what I can do to try to cope with

> these very aggressive behaviors I would appreciate your comments.

>

> Thank you

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

((((()))))

First of all, I'm curious... What kind of doctor's has been

seeing? What have they recommended?

Also, is he on any medication? Our 4yo was VERY agressive (biting,

kicking, hair pulling, throwing things, etc.) and this diminished

significantly after he was placed on Clonidine and Risperdal. His

little brain was going too fast for him to put cohesive thoughts

together and the Clonidine helped to slow down his thinking. He's

verbal and always has been, but before the Clonidine, he would only

speak in one word " commands. " Now he speaks in sentences. The

Risperdal has helped significantly with his agression.

Always be sure to praise his good behavior. I know this may seem

extremely obvious to a lot of people, but I have a hard time

remembering to that that myself so I know how easy it is to forget

sometimes.

He may have " leaky gut " and is something you may want to investigate.

Google the net and see what it has to say about that. You may want to

consider changes to his diet. I know that a gluten-free, casein-free

diet has done wonders for some children in the autism spectrum (my

son was gfcf for 4 months and he's still cf and it's been amazing how

much it's helped him) and it might help too. Here's a link

that might be of interest to you:

http://www.glutensolutions.com/autism.htm

How are his stools? Are they loose? Foul smelling? Is he regular?

Bless your heart! You hang in there! We all know how challenging

parenting a child with special needs can be.

Hugs!

Kat

SNIP ---

> is very strong and very strong willed seven year old with

> developmental delayes and wobbly gross motor. He is non verbal ans

> has a hard time mastering signs. Scary combo. Since cannot

> communicate well I can understand why he may behave frustrated

> like, But he is now way to difficult for me to handle. My

> daughter is ADHD so I know how one with ADHD acts, but of course

> also have developmental disabilities. His fit throwing has

> increased to the point now where I cannot redirect his energies at

> all. When he has his " fits of rage " for lack of better terms, he

> tries to hurt me or who ever is near by. Sometimes he doesn't even

> know the person they are just walking by at the wrong time. He

> grabs and throws what ever he can reach at that moment and does not

> calm down until he is ready. I can not redirect his attention.

>

> He also has " fits of orneriness " . When he seems in a good mood

> but begins to pinch, pull hair, hit or has even been known to bite

> and scratch out of pure Orneriness. He thinks it is funny. There

> are times when he gets " out of control " hyper active. He spends

> sometimes an hour or more obsessively climbing on chairs, rolling

> around, trying to hang on me, throwing toys, trying to grab other

> things to throw, and sometimes shake his head no till he's dizzy.

> I have to let him wear down any kind of intervention seems to make

> him more intense or I end up getting hurt. One day when I was on

> the phone he was playing with sister (11) in the same room as I was

> in, out of the blue he came up behind my chair, grabbed my hair and

> pulled me down. I have no understanding why, except he may have

> been frustrated that sissy would take him outside to play.

>

> Meal times are very unhappy most of the time due to

> never wanting to sit down. Also he throws food and dumps his drinks

> on purpose the tries to eat and drink our dinner. Reminds me of

> Helen Keller except I don't tolerate it. Although I do not know how

> to really handle situations as this. We take his food away and tell

> him he has to wait a while to eat. Then he still won't sit in the

> living room while we eat he tries to get into stuff to get my

> attention so I cannot enjoy my meal. Restaurants are a joke. My

> mom took my grandma, my daughter, and I to dinner a Shari's

> last Saturday. After about 5 min he then started standing up on the

> seat and I had a hard time getting him to sit down, then He kept

> trying to crawl out on the booth right over my lap. I took him

> outside for a walk until our food came and then we went back into

> eat. He would not sit down instead while I was trying to wrestle

> him to sit down he was intentionally trying to put his feet on the

> table to knock things over. I then told my mom to get my food to go

> and bring it to the car where I put in his car seat, which

> is always a struggle, and he watched me eat. Then I fed him 30 min

> later.

>

> has also started to wander off, getting more brave and

> as the staple in his head will prove his behavior and I not knowing

> how to handle it is getting us both hurt.

>

> I watched a video today called " Day By Day Raising the child with

> Autism/PDD by Joan F Goodman And Hoban. Although does

> not have a diagnosis of Autism he has always exhibited some of the

> challenging behaviors and I have always figured what works for

> autism child is worth trying on any developmentally delayed child.

> Any way the girl in this video does everything like . To the

> tee. never acted unaware of people when he was little and

> loves people, But he is non verbal and age 7 with a mentality in

> some thing of a 3 year old. Also he is like having terrible 2s

> times 10 right now. And transitions are horrible fits even getting

> out of the car it seems. Even though he barely focuses on an

> activity but bounces from one thing to another with no real intent

> It is still hard to get him to do something that is not his idea.

> It is true he act the worst with me his mother so no one believes

> the way he acts.

>

> If any one can offer advice on what I can do to try to cope with

> these very aggressive behaviors I would appreciate your comments.

>

> Thank you

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

U TEACH ... MAY I ASK HOW U GOT STARTED IN LEARING .. FROM BOOKS OR VIDEOS IN SIGN ... I HAVE THIS DEEP NEED TO LEARN AND BE IN A TEACHER FOR CHILDREN IN SPECIAL NEEDS ... april Eisele <aprileisele@...> wrote: Hi ,First, I'm very sorry for what you are experiencing. I think any parent would be exhausted. I teach signlanguage classes for hearing infants & toddlers andhave had autistic students in my classes. As

I readyour email the behaviors you described did remind meof these children. One child has made great strides and I asked hismother what they did that helped him. She said theyhad him evaluated through a program in their localschool district and their doctor prescribed newmedications that made him a totally different child. I know medication is not for everyone, but in theircase it helped them immensely. Perhaps this issomething you can discuss with your pediatrician. More than anything the moms in my classes tell me thatgetting support is very important for them. They haverespite care where the children can go and play whilethe mommies get a break. I would encourage you tofind programs in your area and seek an officialdiagnosis so you and your doctors can find ways tohelp all of you.Praying for you friend! April--- chatthisway <chatthisway > wrote:> is very strong and very strong willed seven> year old with > developmental delayes and wobbly gross motor. He is> non verbal ans > has a hard time mastering signs. Scary combo. > Since cannot > communicate well I can understand why he may behave> frustrated > like, But he is now way to difficult for me to> handle. My > daughter is ADHD so I know how one with ADHD acts,> but of course > also have developmental disabilities. His> fit throwing has > increased to the point now where I cannot redirect> his energies at > all. When he has his " fits of rage" for lack of> better terms, he > tries to hurt me or who ever is near by. Sometimes> he doesn't even > know the person they are just walking by at the> wrong time. He

> grabs and throws what ever he can reach at that> moment and does not > calm down until he is ready. I can not redirect his> attention. > > He also has "fits of orneriness". When he seems> in a good mood > but begins to pinch, pull hair, hit or has even been> known to bite > and scratch out of pure Orneriness. He thinks it is> funny. There > are times when he gets "out of control" hyper> active. He spends > sometimes an hour or more obsessively climbing on> chairs, rolling > around, trying to hang on me, throwing toys, trying> to grab other > things to throw, and sometimes shake his head no> till he's dizzy. > I have to let him wear down any kind of intervention> seems to make > him more intense or I end up getting hurt. One day> when I was on > the phone he was playing with sister (11) in the> same

room as I was > in, out of the blue he came up behind my chair,> grabbed my hair and > pulled me down. I have no understanding why, except> he may have > been frustrated that sissy would take him outside to> play.> > > Meal times are very unhappy most of the time due> to > never wanting to sit down. Also he throws food and> dumps his drinks > on purpose the tries to eat and drink our dinner. > Reminds me of > Helen Keller except I don't tolerate it. Although I> do not know how > to really handle situations as this. We take his> food away and tell > him he has to wait a while to eat. Then he still> won't sit in the > living room while we eat he tries to get into stuff> to get my > attention so I cannot enjoy my meal. Restaurants> are a joke. My > mom took my grandma, my daughter, and I

to> dinner a Shari's > last Saturday. After about 5 min he then started> standing up on the > seat and I had a hard time getting him to sit down,> then He kept > trying to crawl out on the booth right over my lap. > I took him > outside for a walk until our food came and then we> went back into > eat. He would not sit down instead while I was> trying to wrestle > him to sit down he was intentionally trying to put> his feet on the > table to knock things over. I then told my mom to> get my food to go > and bring it to the car where I put in his> car seat, which > is always a struggle, and he watched me eat. Then I> fed him 30 min > later.> > has also started to wander off,> getting more brave and > as the staple in his head will prove his behavior> and I not knowing > how to

handle it is getting us both hurt.> > I watched a video today called "Day By Day Raising> the child with > Autism/PDD by Joan F Goodman And Hoban. > Although does > not have a diagnosis of Autism he has always> exhibited some of the > challenging behaviors and I have always figured what> works for > autism child is worth trying on any developmentally> delayed child. > Any way the girl in this video does everything like> . To the > tee. never acted unaware of people when he> was little and > loves people, But he is non verbal and age 7 with a> mentality in > some thing of a 3 year old. Also he is like having> terrible 2s > times 10 right now. And transitions are horrible> fits even getting > out of the car it seems. Even though he barely> focuses on an > activity but bounces from

one thing to another with> no real intent > It is still hard to get him to do something that is> not his idea. > It is true he act the worst with me his mother so no> one believes > the way he acts.> > If any one can offer advice on what I can do to try> to cope with > these very aggressive behaviors I would appreciate> your comments.> > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I am not sure I can help you. But I know you must feel very alone and

overwhelmed so I wanted to offer you a (((hug))) My son gets aggressive

and I know how scary it can be. Its overhwhelming and I always feel like

I should be able to " fix it " My son is just the opposite though he isnt

aggressive at home or in the community but he is aggressive at school,

especially with certain teachers. Its very hard to know what to do.

Have his docs offered some reason or help? Are there certain times he

acts up more? Is it in certain situations? Could he be overstimulated?

or attention seeking (no judgement mine does this) or avoidance of a

task. I guess if you could figure out why? that might help to figure out

how to help him manage his feelings ( i know it sounds easy but its not)

You definitely are not rewarding it . My son is very verbal (almost too

much) so he can tell me later what was wrong and I know this makes

things a lot easier. I wish there were professionals, (we saw an autism

consultant through school) who followed him and evaluated him and helped

point out some things that we could do to support transitions more.

Would that be an option for you? My son doesnt transition well either.

Keep us posted and Good luck

Allie

10year old son with aspergers.anxiety, sid, dysthymia

[Guest guest]

I am a Certified Signing Smart Instructor. You can go

to www.signingsmart.com to see if there is an

instructor near you. There are many programs out

there for teaching children to sign, you would just

have to check your area. Most community colleges

offer courses in sign language too.

April

--- DAWN-MARIE ANDERSON <tailynn03@...> wrote:

> U TEACH ... MAY I ASK HOW U GOT STARTED IN

> LEARING .. FROM BOOKS OR VIDEOS IN SIGN ... I HAVE

> THIS DEEP NEED TO LEARN AND BE IN A TEACHER FOR

> CHILDREN IN SPECIAL NEEDS ...

>

> april Eisele <aprileisele@...> wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> First, I'm very sorry for what you are experiencing.

>

> I think any parent would be exhausted. I teach sign

> language classes for hearing infants & toddlers and

> have had autistic students in my classes. As I read

> your email the behaviors you described did remind me

> of these children.

>

> One child has made great strides and I asked his

> mother what they did that helped him. She said they

> had him evaluated through a program in their local

> school district and their doctor prescribed new

> medications that made him a totally different child.

>

> I know medication is not for everyone, but in their

> case it helped them immensely. Perhaps this is

> something you can discuss with your pediatrician.

>

> More than anything the moms in my classes tell me

> that

> getting support is very important for them. They

> have

> respite care where the children can go and play

> while

> the mommies get a break. I would encourage you to

> find programs in your area and seek an official

> diagnosis so you and your doctors can find ways to

> help all of you.

>

> Praying for you friend!

> April

>

> --- chatthisway <chatthisway@...> wrote:

>

> > is very strong and very strong willed

> seven

> > year old with

> > developmental delayes and wobbly gross motor. He

> is

> > non verbal ans

> > has a hard time mastering signs. Scary combo.

> > Since cannot

> > communicate well I can understand why he may

> behave

> > frustrated

> > like, But he is now way to difficult for me to

> > handle. My

> > daughter is ADHD so I know how one with ADHD acts,

> > but of course

> > also have developmental disabilities. His

> > fit throwing has

> > increased to the point now where I cannot redirect

> > his energies at

> > all. When he has his " fits of rage " for lack of

> > better terms, he

> > tries to hurt me or who ever is near by. Sometimes

> > he doesn't even

> > know the person they are just walking by at the

> > wrong time. He

> > grabs and throws what ever he can reach at that

> > moment and does not

> > calm down until he is ready. I can not redirect

> his

> > attention.

> >

> > He also has " fits of orneriness " . When he seems

> > in a good mood

> > but begins to pinch, pull hair, hit or has even

> been

> > known to bite

> > and scratch out of pure Orneriness. He thinks it

> is

> > funny. There

> > are times when he gets " out of control " hyper

> > active. He spends

> > sometimes an hour or more obsessively climbing on

> > chairs, rolling

> > around, trying to hang on me, throwing toys,

> trying

> > to grab other

> > things to throw, and sometimes shake his head no

> > till he's dizzy.

> > I have to let him wear down any kind of

> intervention

> > seems to make

> > him more intense or I end up getting hurt. One day

> > when I was on

> > the phone he was playing with sister (11) in the

> > same room as I was

> > in, out of the blue he came up behind my chair,

> > grabbed my hair and

> > pulled me down. I have no understanding why,

> except

> > he may have

> > been frustrated that sissy would take him outside

> to

> > play.

> >

> >

> > Meal times are very unhappy most of the time due

> > to

> > never wanting to sit down. Also he throws food and

> > dumps his drinks

> > on purpose the tries to eat and drink our dinner.

> > Reminds me of

> > Helen Keller except I don't tolerate it. Although

> I

> > do not know how

> > to really handle situations as this. We take his

> > food away and tell

> > him he has to wait a while to eat. Then he still

> > won't sit in the

> > living room while we eat he tries to get into

> stuff

> > to get my

> > attention so I cannot enjoy my meal. Restaurants

> > are a joke. My

> > mom took my grandma, my daughter, and I to

> > dinner a Shari's

> > last Saturday. After about 5 min he then started

> > standing up on the

> > seat and I had a hard time getting him to sit

> down,

> > then He kept

> > trying to crawl out on the booth right over my

> lap.

> > I took him

> > outside for a walk until our food came and then we

> > went back into

> > eat. He would not sit down instead while I was

> > trying to wrestle

> > him to sit down he was intentionally trying to put

> > his feet on the

> > table to knock things over. I then told my mom to

> > get my food to go

> > and bring it to the car where I put in his

> > car seat, which

> > is always a struggle, and he watched me eat. Then

> I

> > fed him 30 min

> > later.

> >

> > has also started to wander off,

> > getting more brave and

> > as the staple in his head will prove his behavior

> > and I not knowing

> > how to handle it is getting us both hurt.

> >

> > I watched a video today called " Day By Day Raising

> > the child with

> > Autism/PDD by Joan F Goodman And Hoban.

> > Although does

> > not have a diagnosis of Autism he has always

> > exhibited some of the

> > challenging behaviors and I have always figured

> what

> > works for

> > autism child is worth trying on any

> developmentally

> > delayed child.

> > Any way the girl in this video does everything

> like

> > . To the

> > tee. never acted unaware of people when he

> > was little and

> > loves people, But he is non verbal and age 7 with

> a

> > mentality in

> > some thing of a 3 year old. Also he is like having

> > terrible 2s

> > times 10 right now. And transitions are horrible

> > fits even getting

> > out of the car it seems. Even though he barely

> > focuses on an

> > activity but bounces from one thing to another

> with

> > no real intent

> > It is still hard to get him to do something that

> is

> > not his idea.

> > It is true he act the worst with me his mother so

> no

> > one believes

> > the way he acts.

> >

> > If any one can offer advice on what I can do to

> try

> > to cope with

> > these very aggressive behaviors I would appreciate

> > your comments.

> >

> > Thank you

> >

>

=== message truncated ===

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

The first issue is whether his behavior occurs

literally ALL of the time, or more often at certain

times and in certain situations with specific people.

I'm guessing it is not random but likely specific to

certain situations and certain people (see next

paragraph).

's suggestion about exploring appropriate

medications with his doctor is on target. I'd suggest

you have seen by a Developmental Behavioral

Pediatrician who specializes in autism. Depending on

what her/his workup reveals there are several

medication options. The behavior you describe can be

an indication of Bipolar Disorder, ADHD, or certain

types of seizure disorders. It is unlikely to be the

latter if he reacts differently to different people,

Some children with that type of behavioral dyscontrol

respond favorably to low doses of atypical

antpsychotic medidcations.

I suspect the main problem is lack of an effective

communication system. I'd suggest you find an expert

in augmentative communication who is familiar with

Functional Behavioral Assessment to help and

you. Feel free to contact me privately and I may be

able to put you in touch with someone in your area.

--- chatthisway <chatthisway@...> wrote:

> is very strong and very strong willed seven

> year old with

> developmental delayes and wobbly gross motor. He is

> non verbal ans

> has a hard time mastering signs. Scary combo. Since

> cannot

> communicate well I can understand why he may behave

> frustrated

> like, But he is now way to difficult for me to

> handle. My

> daughter is ADHD so I know how one with ADHD acts,

> but of course

> also have developmental disabilities. His

> fit throwing has

> increased to the point now where I cannot redirect

> his energies at

> all. When he has his " fits of rage " for lack of

> better terms, he

> tries to hurt me or who ever is near by. Sometimes

> he doesn't even

> know the person they are just walking by at the

> wrong time. He

> grabs and throws what ever he can reach at that

> moment and does not

> calm down until he is ready. I can not redirect his

> attention.

>

> He also has " fits of orneriness " . When he seems in a

> good mood

> but begins to pinch, pull hair, hit or has even been

> known to bite

> and scratch out of pure Orneriness. He thinks it is

> funny. There

> are times when he gets " out of control " hyper

> active. He spends

> sometimes an hour or more obsessively climbing on

> chairs, rolling

> around, trying to hang on me, throwing toys, trying

> to grab other

> things to throw, and sometimes shake his head no

> till he's dizzy.

> I have to let him wear down any kind of intervention

> seems to make

> him more intense or I end up getting hurt. One day

> when I was on

> the phone he was playing with sister (11) in the

> same room as I was

> in, out of the blue he came up behind my chair,

> grabbed my hair and

> pulled me down. I have no understanding why, except

> he may have

> been frustrated that sissy would take him outside to

> play.

>

> Meal times are very unhappy most of the time due to

>

> never wanting to sit down. Also he throws food and

> dumps his drinks

> on purpose the tries to eat and drink our dinner.

> Reminds me of

> Helen Keller except I don't tolerate it. Although I

> do not know how

> to really handle situations as this. We take his

> food away and tell

> him he has to wait a while to eat. Then he still

> won't sit in the

> living room while we eat he tries to get into stuff

> to get my

> attention so I cannot enjoy my meal. Restaurants are

> a joke. My

> mom took my grandma, my daughter, and I to

> dinner a Shari's

> last Saturday. After about 5 min he then started

> standing up on the

> seat and I had a hard time getting him to sit down,

> then He kept

> trying to crawl out on the booth right over my lap.

> I took him

> outside for a walk until our food came and then we

> went back into

> eat. He would not sit down instead while I was

> trying to wrestle

> him to sit down he was intentionally trying to put

> his feet on the

> table to knock things over. I then told my mom to

> get my food to go

> and bring it to the car where I put in his

> car seat, which

> is always a struggle, and he watched me eat. Then I

> fed him 30 min

> later.

>

> has also started to wander off, getting more

> brave and

> as the staple in his head will prove his behavior

> and I not knowing

> how to handle it is getting us both hurt.

>

> I watched a video today called " Day By Day Raising

> the child with

> Autism/PDD by Joan F Goodman And Hoban.

> Although does

> not have a diagnosis of Autism he has always

> exhibited some of the

> challenging behaviors and I have always figured what

> works for

> autism child is worth trying on any developmentally

> delayed child.

> Any way the girl in this video does everything like

> . To the

> tee. never acted unaware of people when he

> was little and

> loves people, But he is non verbal and age 7 with a

> mentality in

> some thing of a 3 year old. Also he is like having

> terrible 2s

> times 10 right now. And transitions are horrible

> fits even getting

> out of the car it seems. Even though he barely

> focuses on an

> activity but bounces from one thing to another with

> no real intent

> It is still hard to get him to do something that is

> not his idea.

> It is true he act the worst with me his mother so no

> one believes

> the way he acts.

>

> If any one can offer advice on what I can do to try

> to cope with

> these very aggressive behaviors I would appreciate

> your comments.

>

> Thank you

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

The first issue is whether his behavior occurs

literally ALL of the time, or more often at certain

times and in certain situations with specific people.

I'm guessing it is not random but likely specific to

certain situations and certain people (see next

paragraph).

's suggestion about exploring appropriate

medications with his doctor is on target. I'd suggest

you have seen by a Developmental Behavioral

Pediatrician who specializes in autism. Depending on

what her/his workup reveals there are several

medication options. The behavior you describe can be

an indication of Bipolar Disorder, ADHD, or certain

types of seizure disorders. It is unlikely to be the

latter if he reacts differently to different people,

Some children with that type of behavioral dyscontrol

respond favorably to low doses of atypical

antpsychotic medidcations.

I suspect the main problem is lack of an effective

communication system. I'd suggest you find an expert

in augmentative communication who is familiar with

Functional Behavioral Assessment to help and

you. Feel free to contact me privately and I may be

able to put you in touch with someone in your area.

--- chatthisway <chatthisway@...> wrote:

> is very strong and very strong willed seven

> year old with

> developmental delayes and wobbly gross motor. He is

> non verbal ans

> has a hard time mastering signs. Scary combo. Since

> cannot

> communicate well I can understand why he may behave

> frustrated

> like, But he is now way to difficult for me to

> handle. My

> daughter is ADHD so I know how one with ADHD acts,

> but of course

> also have developmental disabilities. His

> fit throwing has

> increased to the point now where I cannot redirect

> his energies at

> all. When he has his " fits of rage " for lack of

> better terms, he

> tries to hurt me or who ever is near by. Sometimes

> he doesn't even

> know the person they are just walking by at the

> wrong time. He

> grabs and throws what ever he can reach at that

> moment and does not

> calm down until he is ready. I can not redirect his

> attention.

>

> He also has " fits of orneriness " . When he seems in a

> good mood

> but begins to pinch, pull hair, hit or has even been

> known to bite

> and scratch out of pure Orneriness. He thinks it is

> funny. There

> are times when he gets " out of control " hyper

> active. He spends

> sometimes an hour or more obsessively climbing on

> chairs, rolling

> around, trying to hang on me, throwing toys, trying

> to grab other

> things to throw, and sometimes shake his head no

> till he's dizzy.

> I have to let him wear down any kind of intervention

> seems to make

> him more intense or I end up getting hurt. One day

> when I was on

> the phone he was playing with sister (11) in the

> same room as I was

> in, out of the blue he came up behind my chair,

> grabbed my hair and

> pulled me down. I have no understanding why, except

> he may have

> been frustrated that sissy would take him outside to

> play.

>

> Meal times are very unhappy most of the time due to

>

> never wanting to sit down. Also he throws food and

> dumps his drinks

> on purpose the tries to eat and drink our dinner.

> Reminds me of

> Helen Keller except I don't tolerate it. Although I

> do not know how

> to really handle situations as this. We take his

> food away and tell

> him he has to wait a while to eat. Then he still

> won't sit in the

> living room while we eat he tries to get into stuff

> to get my

> attention so I cannot enjoy my meal. Restaurants are

> a joke. My

> mom took my grandma, my daughter, and I to

> dinner a Shari's

> last Saturday. After about 5 min he then started

> standing up on the

> seat and I had a hard time getting him to sit down,

> then He kept

> trying to crawl out on the booth right over my lap.

> I took him

> outside for a walk until our food came and then we

> went back into

> eat. He would not sit down instead while I was

> trying to wrestle

> him to sit down he was intentionally trying to put

> his feet on the

> table to knock things over. I then told my mom to

> get my food to go

> and bring it to the car where I put in his

> car seat, which

> is always a struggle, and he watched me eat. Then I

> fed him 30 min

> later.

>

> has also started to wander off, getting more

> brave and

> as the staple in his head will prove his behavior

> and I not knowing

> how to handle it is getting us both hurt.

>

> I watched a video today called " Day By Day Raising

> the child with

> Autism/PDD by Joan F Goodman And Hoban.

> Although does

> not have a diagnosis of Autism he has always

> exhibited some of the

> challenging behaviors and I have always figured what

> works for

> autism child is worth trying on any developmentally

> delayed child.

> Any way the girl in this video does everything like

> . To the

> tee. never acted unaware of people when he

> was little and

> loves people, But he is non verbal and age 7 with a

> mentality in

> some thing of a 3 year old. Also he is like having

> terrible 2s

> times 10 right now. And transitions are horrible

> fits even getting

> out of the car it seems. Even though he barely

> focuses on an

> activity but bounces from one thing to another with

> no real intent

> It is still hard to get him to do something that is

> not his idea.

> It is true he act the worst with me his mother so no

> one believes

> the way he acts.

>

> If any one can offer advice on what I can do to try

> to cope with

> these very aggressive behaviors I would appreciate

> your comments.

>

> Thank you

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I don't know if anything I have to say will be useful to you, but here are some of the things I have done with Karac. I tell him to go to his room and get his blanket when I think he is going to be aggressive; I also have an old wool coat and some mittens that look like boxing gloves that I put on when I think he is going to be aggressive and he seems to be conditioned to calm down when he sees me with these on. I also keep his favorite candy in my pockets at all time that I reward him for good behavior when I see that he is just beginning to get at the end of his self control. I also keep a CD player in my purse that I will give him in a situation like eating out. I also take some of his favorite foods like an apple to give him to eat at the restaurant while we are waiting for the food. I have also taken colors and colorbooks for him if needed. Karac is now 13 and I can take him to church, to the grocery store and to eat out, but it has taken years of working at it. Pat K

[Guest guest]

Good advice, Kat, I would second the motion on the Clonidine. We give Karac .1 Clonidine at night. Pat K

[Guest guest]

thank you april..... (:"april Eisele <aprileisele@...> wrote: I am a Certified Signing Smart Instructor. You can goto www.signingsmart.com to see if there is aninstructor near you. There are many programs outthere for teaching children to sign, you would justhave to check your area. Most community collegesoffer courses in sign language too. April--- DAWN-MARIE ANDERSON <tailynn03 > wrote:> U TEACH ... MAY I ASK

HOW U GOT STARTED IN> LEARING .. FROM BOOKS OR VIDEOS IN SIGN ... I HAVE> THIS DEEP NEED TO LEARN AND BE IN A TEACHER FOR> CHILDREN IN SPECIAL NEEDS ... > > april Eisele <aprileisele > wrote: > Hi ,> > First, I'm very sorry for what you are experiencing.> > I think any parent would be exhausted. I teach sign> language classes for hearing infants & toddlers and> have had autistic students in my classes. As I read> your email the behaviors you described did remind me> of these children. > > One child has made great strides and I asked his> mother what they did that helped him. She said they> had him evaluated through a program in their local> school district and their doctor prescribed new> medications that made him a totally different child.> > I

know medication is not for everyone, but in their> case it helped them immensely. Perhaps this is> something you can discuss with your pediatrician. > > More than anything the moms in my classes tell me> that> getting support is very important for them. They> have> respite care where the children can go and play> while> the mommies get a break. I would encourage you to> find programs in your area and seek an official> diagnosis so you and your doctors can find ways to> help all of you.> > Praying for you friend! > April> > --- chatthisway <chatthisway > wrote:> > > is very strong and very strong willed> seven> > year old with > > developmental delayes and wobbly gross motor. He> is> > non verbal ans > > has

a hard time mastering signs. Scary combo. > > Since cannot > > communicate well I can understand why he may> behave> > frustrated > > like, But he is now way to difficult for me to> > handle. My > > daughter is ADHD so I know how one with ADHD acts,> > but of course > > also have developmental disabilities. His> > fit throwing has > > increased to the point now where I cannot redirect> > his energies at > > all. When he has his " fits of rage" for lack of> > better terms, he > > tries to hurt me or who ever is near by. Sometimes> > he doesn't even > > know the person they are just walking by at the> > wrong time. He > > grabs and throws what ever he can reach at that> > moment and does not > > calm down until he is ready. I can not redirect>

his> > attention. > > > > He also has "fits of orneriness". When he seems> > in a good mood > > but begins to pinch, pull hair, hit or has even> been> > known to bite > > and scratch out of pure Orneriness. He thinks it> is> > funny. There > > are times when he gets "out of control" hyper> > active. He spends > > sometimes an hour or more obsessively climbing on> > chairs, rolling > > around, trying to hang on me, throwing toys,> trying> > to grab other > > things to throw, and sometimes shake his head no> > till he's dizzy. > > I have to let him wear down any kind of> intervention> > seems to make > > him more intense or I end up getting hurt. One day> > when I was on > > the phone he was playing with sister (11) in the> > same

room as I was > > in, out of the blue he came up behind my chair,> > grabbed my hair and > > pulled me down. I have no understanding why,> except> > he may have > > been frustrated that sissy would take him outside> to> > play.> > > > > > Meal times are very unhappy most of the time due> > to > > never wanting to sit down. Also he throws food and> > dumps his drinks > > on purpose the tries to eat and drink our dinner. > > Reminds me of > > Helen Keller except I don't tolerate it. Although> I> > do not know how > > to really handle situations as this. We take his> > food away and tell > > him he has to wait a while to eat. Then he still> > won't sit in the > > living room while we eat he tries to get into> stuff> > to get

my > > attention so I cannot enjoy my meal. Restaurants> > are a joke. My > > mom took my grandma, my daughter, and I to> > dinner a Shari's > > last Saturday. After about 5 min he then started> > standing up on the > > seat and I had a hard time getting him to sit> down,> > then He kept > > trying to crawl out on the booth right over my> lap. > > I took him > > outside for a walk until our food came and then we> > went back into > > eat. He would not sit down instead while I was> > trying to wrestle > > him to sit down he was intentionally trying to put> > his feet on the > > table to knock things over. I then told my mom to> > get my food to go > > and bring it to the car where I put in his> > car seat, which > > is always a struggle,

and he watched me eat. Then> I> > fed him 30 min > > later.> > > > has also started to wander off,> > getting more brave and > > as the staple in his head will prove his behavior> > and I not knowing > > how to handle it is getting us both hurt.> > > > I watched a video today called "Day By Day Raising> > the child with > > Autism/PDD by Joan F Goodman And Hoban. > > Although does > > not have a diagnosis of Autism he has always> > exhibited some of the > > challenging behaviors and I have always figured> what> > works for > > autism child is worth trying on any> developmentally> > delayed child. > > Any way the girl in this video does everything> like> > . To the > > tee. never acted unaware

of people when he> > was little and > > loves people, But he is non verbal and age 7 with> a> > mentality in > > some thing of a 3 year old. Also he is like having> > terrible 2s > > times 10 right now. And transitions are horrible> > fits even getting > > out of the car it seems. Even though he barely> > focuses on an > > activity but bounces from one thing to another> with> > no real intent > > It is still hard to get him to do something that> is> > not his idea. > > It is true he act the worst with me his mother so> no> > one believes > > the way he acts.> > > > If any one can offer advice on what I can do to> try> > to cope with > > these very aggressive behaviors I would appreciate> > your comments.> > > >

Thank you > > > === message truncated ===__________________________________________________