Re: Shots and what they do/don't do

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/11/01 7:46:36 PM GTB Daylight Time,

discombobulated@... writes:

<<

OK, without links again, please tell me in clear unmedicalized way what

these diseases do to you and if you can die from them! I can't spell them

right so I will just go off my shot records sheet Sorry I'm so green and I

just don't have time to read all the links with a baby.

Shelby

>>

Shelby if you can't answer this yourself then you should really cancel the

appt. till you can. You can die from COMPLICATIONS of ANY disease even a cold.

You need to MAKE the time.I did not start researching vaccines until after my

dd was born.That was 3 years ago and I was in the same position as you.You

should not rely on us for any info in the long run-you need to read for

yourself.Strap your baby to you and truck the family over the your local

library.Get whatever PDR book they have on the shelf that can be check

out-they have all the vaccine inserts.Then go over and get some medical texts

on diseases and late at night you make time to read.Heck read while in the

bathroom!

You will feel much better doing this yourself.Some people have different

feelings about each of the VPD's,and so may be the case for you. You may feel

some are more dangerous than others.

Read old medical texts too.

Hugs and I hope I did not come off as bitchy.

For online info go to:<A HREF= " http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic390.htm " >

Click here: Pediatrics, Meningitis and Encephalitis from Emergency Medicine /

Pediatric</A>

sara

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/11/01 8:14:41 PM GTB Daylight Time,

discombobulated@... writes:

<< I've never " seen " proof. >>

Well you can go over to the national vaccine injury compensation fund site or

read through vaers reports.Or look at personal pages of children vaccine

injured such as....

<A HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/vbakmom/index.html " >Click here: 's

story/what a vaccine can do</A>

http://hometown.aol.com/vbakmom/index.html

Many people feel comfortable vaccinating despite the risks involved.If that

is the case for you then vaccinate on the schedule you feel comfortable

about and with the vaccines you want your child to get.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Having a baby is no excuse for not doing research BEFORE vaxxing. Sorry for

the bluntness, but it is the truth.

It is your responsibility to learn how to treat your child should your child

come down with an infectious disease. We can help but you must be willing to

take the time to read and follow through.

Kathleen

In a message dated 10/11/2001 11:46:44 AM Central Daylight Time,

discombobulated@... writes:

> OK, without links again, please tell me in clear unmedicalized way what

> these diseases do to you and if you can die from them! I can't spell them

> right so I will just go off my shot records sheet Sorry I'm so green and

> I just don't have time to read all the links with a baby.

> Shelby

>

> DTAP

> IPV

> Hib

> MMR

>

[Guest guest]

Heeheehee, I posted my response before I even read Sheri's, but they're

pretty much the same!

Kathleen

In a message dated 10/11/2001 12:00:23 PM Central Daylight Time,

vaccineinfo@... writes:

> At 10:41 AM 10/11/2001 -0600, you wrote:

> >OK, without links again, please tell me in clear unmedicalized way what

> these diseases do to you and if you can die from them! I can't spell them

> right so I will just go off my shot records sheet Sorry I'm so green and

> I just don't have time to read all the links with a baby.

> >Shelby

> >

> >DTAP

> >IPV

> >Hib

> >MMR

> >HepB

> >

>

> Shelby - I 'm going to sound firm here but YOU HAVE TO TAKE AND FIND THE

> TIME!

> We cannot tell you what to think and take time to explain each and

> everyone. You have to read the links.

> If you can read what someone posts, you can read the links.

> I'm sorry, but you are asking a lot of people on this list and not taking

> much responsibility yourself.

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK

> 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

> women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

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>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oooh, I am so proud to report that my beautiful healthy unvaxxed 14-month old

daughter never got sick even though both hubby and me have recently recovered

from one hec of a cold. Bless her healthy immune system. The only signs she

displayed was a runny nose for about 10 minutes for two consecutive days and

by golly that was it for her. Now, if only hubby and me were so healthy. We

make sure the baby eats whole unprocessed foods while we are munching on

nasty things like Hamburger Helper.

Kathleen

In a message dated 10/11/2001 12:32:43 PM Central Daylight Time,

discombobulated@... writes:

> They have only had some colds, which seems normal to me vax'd or not to have

> a common cold. They've never had anything else. They are 5 and 6.

> Shelby

>

[Guest guest]

And therein lies your mistake, my friend. Don't feel bad. Most everyone

gets all bogged down in which vaccine causes what. Waste of time. They all

skew the immune system from Th1 to Th2.

Know your diseases and how to treat them then you won't be scared anymore.

Kathleen

In a message dated 10/11/2001 12:36:29 PM Central Daylight Time,

discombobulated@... writes:

> I'm reading what the shots do. I guess I don't really KNOW what the diseases

> do. It's the reactions from shots I've read about.

>

> Shelby

>

>

[Guest guest]

Shelby, I think that is for the best. Some people just don't have the

constitution for not vaxxing. If they don't vax, they are always living in

fear which is no good for them or their family. You think this is

negativity? Just wait, you ain't seen nothing yet! Wait until you tell your

doc that you are postponing vaxes until you complete some research.

Heeheehee You gonna see NEGATIVITY then! Some docs have even thrown their

customers out of their offices right then and there.

Kathleen

In a message dated 10/11/2001 2:52:30 AM Central Daylight Time,

discombobulated@... writes:

> I've already vax'd my older ones. I never even thought there was anything

> wrong with it. Not everyone is like you and feels they have to research

> before they vax, unfortunately. I'm just now learning that vax is bad. I

> didn't realize there were perfect people in the world that always research

> before they do. You all are making me feel like a complete idiot because I

> didn't research before and have vax'd before. Some people just trust their

> doctors. I'm changing the way I see things and trying to get help and I

> appreciate the nice help I've recieved but this negativity really stinks!

> Thanks for YOUR help! I'm unsubbing.

> Shelby

>

> Having a baby is no excuse for not doing research BEFORE vaxxing. Sorry

> for

> the bluntness, but it is the truth.

>

> It is your responsibility to learn how to treat your child should your

> child

> come down with an infectious disease. We can help but you must be

> willing to

> take the time to read and follow through.

>

> Kathleen

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry to hear you've had it so bad. At least the kiddos had it easy. My

coughing seemed to be worse when I would lay down at night. I'd always have

to get up and leave the room to go clear my airway cuz I didn't wanna wake

the baby. I took large amounts of Vitamin C which I believe was beneficial

because I got a less severe case than hubby did.

Kathleen

In a message dated 10/11/2001 2:54:16 PM Central Daylight Time,

@... writes:

> Multiple-vaxxed me (as a teenager had four rounds of MMRs one summer because

> they never showed up in my titers and I was working at a hospital and had to

> " prove immunity " ) has had one HECK of a time with it. I'm over everything

> but the cough. I cough at night so badly I feel like I'm dying! And I can

> taste copper at the back of my throat, so I'm sure I've scraped up the

> inside of my throat very badly.

>

> Goldmeer

>

[Guest guest]

Sue, I swear you are such a darling! Now if only I could be more like you.

Kathleen

In a message dated 10/11/2001 3:24:59 PM Central Daylight Time,

suziesparkle@... writes:

> Shelby....

> This group of amazing people will, in time, become such a source of

> knowledge, information, comfort, support and great fun to you if you stay.

> And if you have decided not to vax or to delay vaxxing, you need some of the

> people here, as I did and do. Not vaxxing is only the beginning really....I

> am now just starting to learn about homeopathy, alternative remedies etc.

> And for all of those confusing times ahead, when your decisions are tested

> and you feel unsure again (and you will, trust me!), this collection of

> people from all walks of life are here....always. Quick to respond to any

> request. Giving support and , yes!, sometimes a reality check!! LOL

> Think of us all like the " good cop, bad cop " scenario! ;-)

> Good luck whatever you do. I hope you stay though. If you gain as much in

> knowledge, laughter and friendship as I have here then you might be doing

> this , like me, writing something similar to a new person, hoping they stick

> around to become informed and empowered....

> Oh...and some of us can talk, and talk, and talk.....LOL

>

> SUE

> Ruby-2.4yrs

>

[Guest guest]

At 10:41 AM 10/11/2001 -0600, you wrote:

>OK, without links again, please tell me in clear unmedicalized way what

these diseases do to you and if you can die from them! I can't spell them

right so I will just go off my shot records sheet Sorry I'm so green and

I just don't have time to read all the links with a baby.

>Shelby

>

>DTAP

>IPV

>Hib

>MMR

>HepB

>

Shelby - I 'm going to sound firm here but YOU HAVE TO TAKE AND FIND THE TIME!

We cannot tell you what to think and take time to explain each and

everyone. You have to read the links.

If you can read what someone posts, you can read the links.

I'm sorry, but you are asking a lot of people on this list and not taking

much responsibility yourself.

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK

530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

[Guest guest]

I've read lots links. I guess I'm just not convinced yet! I guess because I've

had two healthy boys fully vax'd with no problems. I can read it but it all

seems so surreal to me, all the complications and problems. I've never " seen "

proof. I've read a lot. Maybe I need someone to mallet it into my head! I just

don't know where to stand. I see both sides of it. I don't know what I'm looking

for or expecting from this list.

<<Shelby - I 'm going to sound firm here but YOU HAVE TO TAKE AND FIND THE TIME!

We cannot tell you what to think and take time to explain each and

everyone. You have to read the links.

If you can read what someone posts, you can read the links.

I'm sorry, but you are asking a lot of people on this list and not taking

much responsibility yourself.

[Guest guest]

You don't. I realize I'm asking a lot of the list already. I'm confused and I've

read things and it's just not hitting me. I have my doubts either way I go and I

don't know WHICH way to go. I spent yesterday reading tons, but I still can't

decide!!!!

Hugs and I hope I did not come off as bitchy.

For online info go to:<A HREF= " http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic390.htm " >

Click here: Pediatrics, Meningitis and Encephalitis from Emergency Medicine /

Pediatric</A>

sara

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/11/2001 11:10:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

dina.mason@... writes:

> O.k. Shelby, sounds like what you need to hear is someone who has gone thru

> the vax injury experience. So here goes.

> I am Dina. I am mom of two kids. Dathon, who is almost 9 and Aubrey, who

> is almost 5. Dathon was vaxed up to about 18 months. Aubrey has never

> been vaxed.

>

Dina,

Do you mind if I share that with another list that I am on? It is an AP list

and we discuss vaccines alot, some of the members are still on the fence and

I think that hearing your story could help. We used to have a member in our

group who's daughter died the morning after receiving her MMR years ago,

unfortunately she left our group, due to high mail volume, the group meets in

real life and is a great group of women. If it bothers you then I won't

share it.

Sara

[Guest guest]

They have only had some colds, which seems normal to me vax'd or not to have a

common cold. They've never had anything else. They are 5 and 6.

Shelby

So your other children are totally fine and are NEVER ill. Not at all?

How old are they?

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

At 11:11 AM 10/11/2001 -0600, you wrote:

>I've read lots links. I guess I'm just not convinced yet! I guess because

I've had two healthy boys fully vax'd with no problems. I can read it but

it all seems so surreal to me, all the complications and problems. I've

never " seen " proof. I've read a lot. Maybe I need someone to mallet it into

my head! I just don't know where to stand. I see both sides of it. I don't

know what I'm looking for or expecting from this list.

>

So your other children are totally fine and are NEVER ill. Not at all?

How old are they?

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK

530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( &

women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

[Guest guest]

At 11:15 AM 10/11/2001 -0600, you wrote:

>You don't. I realize I'm asking a lot of the list already. I'm confused

and I've read things and it's just not hitting me. I have my doubts either

way I go and I don't know WHICH way to go. I spent yesterday reading tons,

but I still can't decide!!!!

Its not like deciding whether to paint the bedroom blue or yellow, or

whether to buy a long dress or short dress.

How much time have you actually spent reading - if you don't know the

diseases you haven't read anything

Sheri

>

>Hugs and I hope I did not come off as bitchy.

>For online info go to:<A HREF= " http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic390.htm " >

>Click here: Pediatrics, Meningitis and Encephalitis from Emergency

Medicine /

>Pediatric</A>

>

>sara

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/11/01 10:25:57 PM GTB Daylight Time,

discombobulated@... writes:

<< unfortunately. I'm just now learning that vax is bad. I didn't realize

there were perfect people in the world that always research before they do.

You all are making me feel like a complete idiot because I didn't research

before and have vax'd before. >>

She did not mean in regards to your other children.She means NOW.Now you are

aware of the possible dangers and yet you say you do not have the time to

really look into the issue anymore ,and want us to sumarize it for you

without giving any links.

As a parent I don't think that is enough. Do you think I ever research

vaccines before I was injured by a vaccine? No.Did I really look into it

afterwards?No,I trussted the doctors and I just planned for dd to avoid the

one shot I was injured by...but then I ended up postponing them all after

further research on my own.

As I said before what might be an acceptable risk(disease or vaccine) for one

person might not be acceptable to you.

Don't unsub because you don't like the responses.They are not meant to put

you down,only to urge you to take the time to look into the issue further and

then decide what is best for your child. Sheri will never have a positive

thing to say about vaccines.She is adamently against them.Some on the list

vaccinate selectively,some might even do them all but on an altered

schedule...everyone will have their own opinion based on personal experience

and research.

I remember how mad I got back when I was debating vaccines before taking dd

to Turkey.Everyone told me their opinions,and I ate them up.But the fear of

the unknown was getting to me and dh and we at one time decided to vaccinate

her,so I asked the list how I can do it safely. I was so hurt that no one

responded,and at that time the list was a bit more open to selectively

vaccinating. I immediately unsubbed. Continued my research and decided on my

own that vaccinating was not the best route.Eventually I got over my hurt

feelings and returned to the elist.

We are all just human and respond to this issue differently.I am sure that

everyone was just fed up with my back and forth posts and knew I had to work

it out on my own which I did.

This is what you have to do and I for one will stand by you whatever you

decide as long as you take the time to learn the basics.

Take some time and please get some books out. It really will help you. I

never sumarized the diseases.I am sure any pro-site can do that.I have a few

mentioned here in the SM book:

<A

HREF= " http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?PageType=article & ID=190

4 " >Click here: HealthWorld Online - Integrative Medicine - Measles</A>

http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?PageType=article & ID=1904

<A

HREF= " http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?PageType=Article & ID=239

" >Click here: HealthWorld Online - Integrative Medicine - Chickenpox</A>

http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?PageType=Article & ID=239

<A

HREF= " http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?PageType=article & ID=190

8 " >Click here: HealthWorld Online - Integrative Medicine - Mumps</A>

http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?PageType=article & ID=1908

<A

HREF= " http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/Article.asp?PageType=Article & Id=157

4 " >Click here: HealthWorld Online - Integrative Medicine - Meningitis</A>

http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/Article.asp?PageType=Article & Id=1574

[Guest guest]

I'm reading what the shots do. I guess I don't really KNOW what the diseases do.

It's the reactions from shots I've read about.

Shelby

At 11:15 AM 10/11/2001 -0600, you wrote:

>You don't. I realize I'm asking a lot of the list already. I'm confused

and I've read things and it's just not hitting me. I have my doubts either

way I go and I don't know WHICH way to go. I spent yesterday reading tons,

but I still can't decide!!!!

Its not like deciding whether to paint the bedroom blue or yellow, or

whether to buy a long dress or short dress.

How much time have you actually spent reading - if you don't know the

diseases you haven't read anything

Sheri

>

>Hugs and I hope I did not come off as bitchy.

>For online info go to:<A HREF= " http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic390.htm " >

>Click here: Pediatrics, Meningitis and Encephalitis from Emergency

Medicine /

>Pediatric</A>

>

>sara

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Shelby, YOu might want to read the personal stories on my site (and others)

and the vaers reports (so far) on my site. If you have any questions,

please ask. Sandy from Alaska

ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE

IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS

REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

Re: Shots and what they do/don't do

In a message dated 10/11/01 8:14:41 PM GTB Daylight Time,

discombobulated@... writes:

<< I've never " seen " proof. >>

Well you can go over to the national vaccine injury compensation fund site

or

read through vaers reports.Or look at personal pages of children vaccine

injured such as....

<A HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/vbakmom/index.html " >Click here: 's

story/what a vaccine can do</A>

http://hometown.aol.com/vbakmom/index.html

Many people feel comfortable vaccinating despite the risks involved.If that

is the case for you then vaccinate on the schedule you feel comfortable

about and with the vaccines you want your child to get.

Sara

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/12/01 12:10:01 AM GTB Daylight Time,

dina.mason@... writes:

<<

Kathleen,

What exactly is the " constitution for not vaxing " ? >>

I remember another mom once saying this to me.And I have read it in responses

to others.Essentially it means to me that even after you do all the research

and feel that vaccines are not a good choice ,yet you live in constant fear

of the diseases to a point where it negatively affects your life(and your

families)...then you might want to vaccinate on schedule that you feel better

about.Some people just can't live happily ever after with the idea of not

vaccinating despite thier misgivings about vaccine safety/efficacy.

sara

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/11/2001 2:37:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

dina.mason@... writes:

> Yes, you may forward it.

> I have no problem with that at all.

>

Thank you, and I am sorry about what happened. It is a shame that all of the

bad reaction get swept under the rug. It scares me when doctors think that

they know all and they show no respect for a mother's instinct, which I

firmly believe exists.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sandy. I'm reading inserts you just send now. I don't like the

formaldehyde or the mercury in them. I also have a problem with dh. He wants me

to have the shots for them too. I am trying to convince him too, and me!

Shelby

From: Sandy Mintz

Vaccinations

Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 11:36 AM

Subject: RE: Shots and what they do/don't do

Shelby, YOu might want to read the personal stories on my site (and others)

and the vaers reports (so far) on my site. If you have any questions,

please ask. Sandy from Alaska

ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE

IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS

REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

Re: Shots and what they do/don't do

In a message dated 10/11/01 8:14:41 PM GTB Daylight Time,

discombobulated@... writes:

<< I've never " seen " proof. >>

Well you can go over to the national vaccine injury compensation fund site

or

read through vaers reports.Or look at personal pages of children vaccine

injured such as....

<A HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/vbakmom/index.html " >Click here: 's

story/what a vaccine can do</A>

http://hometown.aol.com/vbakmom/index.html

Many people feel comfortable vaccinating despite the risks involved.If that

is the case for you then vaccinate on the schedule you feel comfortable

about and with the vaccines you want your child to get.

Sara

[Guest guest]

O.k. Shelby, sounds like what you need to hear is someone who has gone thru

the vax injury experience. So here goes.

I am Dina. I am mom of two kids. Dathon, who is almost 9 and Aubrey, who

is almost 5. Dathon was vaxed up to about 18 months. Aubrey has never

been vaxed.

The vax injury was to Dathon when he was 4 mos old. Up to that time he

was a happy healthy child. At his 4 mos well baby check up he received the

DPT, 2nd dose. For the next 11 days, he was cranky, feverish, not happy

and not hungry. At 8 days after the vax, he was worse so I took him to the

ER. They told me he was fine, and that I was a first time mom and to take

him home, push liquids and everything would be fine. The next day he was

worse yet, so back to the ER. I was told the same thing again. AND we

repeated the process the next day. Same thing. ER. HE's fine. I'M an

idiot first time mother. So now it is 11 days after the vax and in the

afternoon Dathon had what we called a " choking episode " that was really a

seizure. Then he stopped breathing. At the time my husband was an active

duty marine only trained in " field CPR " So my dh performed ADULT CPR on a

4 mo old. He was then taken by ambulance to a hospital where they

finally got the seizures under control after 4 hours then was taken by

helicopter to a different hosp. At the 2nd hospital, the doctors did not

know what was wrong. (NO WAY could it have anything to do with the vax 11

days prior) so a bone scan was performed on the 5th day of admission. It

showed 2 rib fractures that were 4-5 days old. We were then accused of

shaken baby. Our child was removed from our care for 8 months, while we

jumped thru EVERY hoop that the state told us to. We got physical custody

back just before Dathon was 1 and legal custody back 6 mos later. It was

during this time that my sister in law and brother who are both

chiropractors asked me about the vax issue. I read everything that I could

get my hands on. It ALL fit. We then decided to no longer do vaxes.

We ever researched filing a suit with the Vaccine Injury Compensation.

In order to get compensated, Dathon's " reaction " would have had to be within

3 days. Even thought for the DPT the highest number of reactions fall

within days 11-14.

Now let's skip ahead to NOW. Dathon will 9 years old in ONE month. This

is what I am dealing with. I am fighting the school's special ed dept to

get services for my child who is mis-labeled at this time Mental

Retardation. He is actually Autistic. He has mild Cerebral Palsy and

walks with one leg turned and the other his foot drags along scraping the

top of his shoe. He also had a diagnoses of Epilepsy. We are STILL

working on potty training. He can almost write his name, he can recognize

numbers 1-9 and 13-18, he recognizes most of his letters, and his name when

he sees it. He can not tell you where he lives, his phone number and he

has no fear of the things that he should.

Still wanna vax????????????????

Re: Shots and what they do/don't do

I've read lots links. I guess I'm just not convinced yet! I guess because

I've had two healthy boys fully vax'd with no problems. I can read it but it

all seems so surreal to me, all the complications and problems. I've never

" seen " proof. I've read a lot. Maybe I need someone to mallet it into my

head! I just don't know where to stand. I see both sides of it. I don't know

what I'm looking for or expecting from this list.

<<Shelby - I 'm going to sound firm here but YOU HAVE TO TAKE AND FIND THE

TIME!

We cannot tell you what to think and take time to explain each and

everyone. You have to read the links.

If you can read what someone posts, you can read the links.

I'm sorry, but you are asking a lot of people on this list and not taking

much responsibility yourself.

[Guest guest]

Dina, the answer to your question is already in my original post. " If they

don't vax, they are always living in fear " . A fearful personality and

unwillingness to thoroughly learn all that needs to be learned does not build

a solid foundation for nonvax.

Kathleen

In a message dated 10/11/2001 4:10:01 PM Central Daylight Time,

dina.mason@... writes:

> " Shelby, I think that is for the best. Some people just don't have the

> constitution for not vaxxing. If they don't vax, they are always living in

> fear which is no good for them or their family. You think this is

> negativity? Just wait, you ain't seen nothing yet! Wait until you tell

> your

> doc that you are postponing vaxes until you complete some research.

> Heeheehee You gonna see NEGATIVITY then! Some docs have even thrown their

> customers out of their offices right then and there. Kathleen "

>

> Kathleen,

> What exactly is the " constitution for not vaxing " ?

[Guest guest]

No, I don't! And I just read your story to Dh and now he says " I just don't know

if we should or not now " getting him to read stuff online is like pulling teeth

and I've been reading it to him this morning and have talked to him about it

several times. I'm sorry what happened to your family and your son.

Shelby

Still wanna vax????????????????