Re: consistency......

October 1, 2004

... your points are good, although I still boggle at why you're trying

to make them.

First of all, the burden of proof has to be on the mainstreamers, because

they have all the money. It would take a tiny amount of money that's

poured in every year to have the six experiments that both sides have

agreed, would prove whether HIV=AIDS or not.

Hard to prove something when you can't get a dime.

Furthermore, though your proposal of " getting our numbers done " to prove

that we're not degrading in health would be a loaded experiment.

I go to doctor, spending mine and taxpayers money to get these blood

tests. Each time I go in, I am weighed down by a group of people who are

certain I am on the road to death. I get numbers that aren't even

accurate. If they're up, doctors tell me I'm still going to die. If they

go down, they tell me, " ohp, you're on your way, what drugs can we

prescribe you today? "

Either scenario produces cortisol. Cortisol has been seen to cause a drop

in t cells. The more scared or angry I am, the more they drop. To put

myself in a situation where it is seemingly " unescapable " that I will die

is to contaminate the very experiment I'm trying to conduct.

I think this would be the case for many people. I think I would probably

fare better, but the very idea of going into that clinic again makes me

seethe.

However, if I have the money to throw around , I might take you up on

your proposal. Still, I think it would have to be a long term experiment,

of healthy middle class drug free people who are never told their numbers,

but simply go in to get poked.

http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/mivoodoo.htm

Stress is such a huge part of this whole scenario. To be unloved, to be

ostracized, to be afraid of yourself and think that you're a walking

disease that could kill someone just for trying to find happiness or

pleasure. To have an entire civilization believe that you're a plague,

and on the way into death.

I have enough stress without going to these quacks to get bloodwork.

October 1, 2004

Hi ,

I feel each day I live is proof, since my former drs told me I would be

dead or near death if I don't take their poisonous meds or adhere to their

intimidating protocols, life is MY proof. I think THEY are the ones who

should explain to me why I'm alive and well. I wouldn't walk back into

that clinic (or any HIV CLINIC) if they gave up the address of my deadbeat

son's father and had pictures of someone giving him a butt kickin so good

Muhammad Ali would be proud.

I refused to have anything to do with those liars, they didn't care about

me or my family. All we were to them was a way to get the Dr. of the

Decade Award, and there was always a " new clinical trial " we could help

out with, ( last time I looked I wasn't a Guinea pig). It's funny to me

how they never extensive diagnostic tests, to check our liver, or heart in

order to check the damages the meds could have caused. My husband blood

pressure was dangerously high, but we found that out when he went to get a

physical for his job at a REGULAR dr.

There is no way I would let them poke, prod or accept those crappy numbers

to make me scared enough to think if I caught a cold and my " number " wasn't

what they told me it should be I'd die. If I'm wrong about all this, and

so far.. I've never felt better since I told my dr to kiss where the sun

don't shine, then hey, stand over my grave and say you told me so.

Like I said, if you want proof, each day I live I prove mainstreamers

WRONG. I don't have to get t-cell counts, or tested by flawed tests ,or

take medicines that don't do ANYTHING but kill you. I don't blame Ed, I

wouldn't go near those quacks. BTW, my kids had the flu and for someone

whose immune system was said to be deprived, I haven't caught a thing.. I'm

healthy, well, and thanking God everyday that He has blessed me with the

knowledge to recognize truth.

J Purcell

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cures for AIDS

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consistency......

10/01/2004 12:29

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Hi all,

So the mainstreamers maintain that hiv causes aids (somehow thru known

and unknown mechanims). Some dissidents maintain that hiv does not cause

aids(or is the not sole cause). I think what cant be denied/refuted is

that there is a 'correlation' and somekind of relation/common link with

'hiv' and 'aids'.(at varying levels of association). While some

dissidents demand that the 'burden of proof' lies on the

mainstreamers....by the same logic...the 'burden of proof' lies on the

dissidents to prove that hiv does not cause aids. At best it appears that

they both sides admit that testing poz(whatever that means) indicates the

bodies exposure to virus/pathogens of some kind. Further t-cell/v-load

counts also do serve as informative markers....at least to some extent

showing processes in the blood-chemistry. For those of you have not been

consistent in getting your labwork/counts done...you cannot provide us

with personal data as to how your counts relate and correlate to your

overall health conditions. You can criticize the t-cell/v-load tests all

you want.....but a personal testimony might be more credible as

confirming your 'hypothesis'. Also Eds theory that healthy people have

low t-cells remains to be proven....as he apparently is unwilling to

'donate his blood' to find out just what his t-cells actually are. Until

then it appears his theory is unsubstantiated, at least in his own case.

paul

Read AIDS-Cured

October 1, 2004

In a message dated 10/1/2004 9:24:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

freelightexpress@... writes:

So the mainstreamers maintain that hiv causes aids (somehow thru known

and unknown mechanims). Some dissidents maintain that hiv does not cause

aids(or is the not sole cause). I think what cant be denied/refuted is

that there is a 'correlation' and somekind of relation/common link with

'hiv' and 'aids'.(at varying levels of association).

There is most definitely a correlation, but IT IS BY DEFINITION!

Remember how it goes?

Herpes + HIV = AIDS

Herpes - HIV = Herpes

Candida + HIV = AIDS

Candida - HIV = a yeast infection

Dementia + HIV = AIDS

Dementia - HIV = STUPID!

While some

dissidents demand that the 'burden of proof' lies on the

mainstreamers....by the same logic...the 'burden of proof' lies on the

dissidents to prove that hiv does not cause aids.

, did you ever study logic in college? If you did, I don't think you did

too well. Science (and law) demand that the burden of proof lies with he who

makes the claim and the claim was that HIV was the (probable) cause of AIDS.

The fact that the word " probable " was dropped by the media immediately should

give you a clue that this has nothing to do with science or facts. It's

about lying to and misleading the public.

At best it appears that