Re: low t-cells seem irrelevent

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I have had 51 and 49 t-cells over the last year (last

viral load about 350,000) and have not been sick one

day. May 9 will be my one-year anniversary off the

toxic poisons known as " antiretrovirals " with the

above t-cell counts all year long.

I am going to make myself a case study to disprove the

" HIV " / " viral load " /t-cell horseshit once and for all.

Hope this helps.

Mike

--- Bob <recbo@...> wrote:

> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:45:09 -0000

>

> > From: " Ray " <boombooda@...>

> >Subject: Re: sorting thru the BS..........

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >>ANyone here with a consistent t-cell count of

> below 200......who has

> >>stayed off hiv drugs for several years and is

> healthy more or less -

> >>e-mail me! I have yet to find someone - I await.

> >>

> >>

> >>paul

> >>

> I know several street people with low t-cells for

> years, and they

> have been stronger than most people. One took a week

> outdoors

> in winter with no blanket to get hypothermia, then

> recovered.

> Another never gets anything but a cold, but has

> other problems

> which could be caused by toxicity of several strong

> non-HIV drugs.

>

> I know somebody who has taken HIV drugs for years

> but not in

> the last several years. Her t-cell counts are always

> under 200, but

> she never gets pneumonia or anything other than a

> cold now and

> then, like lots of other people. She always used to

> vomit, have

> strokes and seizures, but other types of

> prescription and non

> prescription drugs combined with a stressful street

> lifestyle may

> explain that. In jail she's off Prozac and perhaps

> even off Dilantin

> and is off street drugs, so it will be interesting

> to see if she has any

> more vomiting or grand mal seizures with bowel

> release and memory

> loss of significant parts of her life. Taking Prozac

> and Dilantin and

> abusing substances might have caused those symptoms.

> She has

> eaten an onion a day and lots of garlic cloves for

> ten years since

> she got tired of taking all those HIV pills. They

> gave her Ziagen

> with no warning label years ago, and that almost

> killed her like

> one out of ten--no warning label and a person

> ignores the vomiting,

> just pressing on, taking your medicine, like it's

> good for you, the

> more vomiting the better. She doesn't smoke.

>

> At the other end of the spectrum, there is one who

> takes her HIV

> drugs and has for ten years but hasn't died, and I'm

> waiting for

> further developments. Undoubtedly she has survived

> the meds

> so long due to eliminating other factors. She

> doesn't smoke, a

> possible survivor factor even though she takes meds,

> unlike

> most survivors. She has the side effects, short of

> death.

>

> Then there was one who was fine with heroin and HIV+

> for ten

> years, just eating papaya, injecting heroin,

> smoking, until she got wasting

> symptoms and took the HIV drugs and got seizures and

> pneumonia.

> At first her wasting went away, but then thrush came

> back, and she

> got lymphoma and died of cancer. We think she ought

> to have gotten

> treated for the wasting in specific, i.e. consider

> candida and parasites,

> possibly stop using heroin. HIV drugs were a false

> hope by making

> the wasting symptoms go away for a couple of months.

> Her liver

> was destroyed by HIV drugs, and then the deluge of

> opportunistic

> infections and cancer.

>

> Real people are often stubborn and ignorant so the

> real tests are

> full of conflicts, making it difficult to judge what

> caused what. At

> that point statistics and averages help. My tally

> shows taking the

> meds kills, on average, surviving the meds, is near

> impossible,

> and surviving without them is likely, given a few

> methods learned

> at places like http://www.curezone.com

>

> -Bob

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

I did the same thing making a case study out of myself and have been

successful moving my cell counts up and lowering the so called viral

load, but it was a great deal of leaning and work. There are many

naturalpathic methods discussed on this web site and others, I hope you

will do some of the disciplines like jumping, electric medicine,

supplimnets anf herbs, etc. Don't expect to drop meds and accomplish

good health without devoting time, money and energy to your well being.

Eliot

Re: sorting thru the BS..........

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >>ANyone here with a consistent t-cell count of

> below 200......who has

> >>stayed off hiv drugs for several years and is

> healthy more or less -

> >>e-mail me! I have yet to find someone - I await.

> >>

> >>

> >>paul

> >>

> I know several street people with low t-cells for

> years, and they

> have been stronger than most people. One took a week

> outdoors

> in winter with no blanket to get hypothermia, then

> recovered.

> Another never gets anything but a cold, but has

> other problems

> which could be caused by toxicity of several strong

> non-HIV drugs.

>

> I know somebody who has taken HIV drugs for years

> but not in

> the last several years. Her t-cell counts are always

> under 200, but

> she never gets pneumonia or anything other than a

> cold now and

> then, like lots of other people. She always used to

> vomit, have

> strokes and seizures, but other types of

> prescription and non

> prescription drugs combined with a stressful street

> lifestyle may

> explain that. In jail she's off Prozac and perhaps

> even off Dilantin

> and is off street drugs, so it will be interesting

> to see if she has any

> more vomiting or grand mal seizures with bowel

> release and memory

> loss of significant parts of her life. Taking Prozac

> and Dilantin and

> abusing substances might have caused those symptoms.

> She has

> eaten an onion a day and lots of garlic cloves for

> ten years since

> she got tired of taking all those HIV pills. They

> gave her Ziagen

> with no warning label years ago, and that almost

> killed her like

> one out of ten--no warning label and a person

> ignores the vomiting,

> just pressing on, taking your medicine, like it's

> good for you, the

> more vomiting the better. She doesn't smoke.

>

> At the other end of the spectrum, there is one who

> takes her HIV

> drugs and has for ten years but hasn't died, and I'm

> waiting for

> further developments. Undoubtedly she has survived

> the meds

> so long due to eliminating other factors. She

> doesn't smoke, a

> possible survivor factor even though she takes meds,

> unlike

> most survivors. She has the side effects, short of

> death.

>

> Then there was one who was fine with heroin and HIV+

> for ten

> years, just eating papaya, injecting heroin,

> smoking, until she got wasting

> symptoms and took the HIV drugs and got seizures and

> pneumonia.

> At first her wasting went away, but then thrush came

> back, and she

> got lymphoma and died of cancer. We think she ought

> to have gotten

> treated for the wasting in specific, i.e. consider

> candida and parasites,

> possibly stop using heroin. HIV drugs were a false

> hope by making

> the wasting symptoms go away for a couple of months.

> Her liver

> was destroyed by HIV drugs, and then the deluge of

> opportunistic

> infections and cancer.

>

> Real people are often stubborn and ignorant so the

> real tests are

> full of conflicts, making it difficult to judge what

> caused what. At

> that point statistics and averages help. My tally

> shows taking the

> meds kills, on average, surviving the meds, is near

> impossible,

> and surviving without them is likely, given a few

> methods learned

> at places like http://www.curezone.com

>

> -Bob

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Eliot,

I think the case study Mike is referring to is to see whether the

numbers really mean anything in relation to other markers of health,

like whether you are sick or not.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >>ANyone here with a consistent t-cell count of

> > below 200......who has

> > >>stayed off hiv drugs for several years and is

> > healthy more or less -

> > >>e-mail me! I have yet to find someone - I await.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>paul

> > >>

> > I know several street people with low t-cells for

> > years, and they

> > have been stronger than most people. One took a week

> > outdoors

> > in winter with no blanket to get hypothermia, then

> > recovered.

> > Another never gets anything but a cold, but has

> > other problems

> > which could be caused by toxicity of several strong

> > non-HIV drugs.

> >

> > I know somebody who has taken HIV drugs for years

> > but not in

> > the last several years. Her t-cell counts are always

> > under 200, but

> > she never gets pneumonia or anything other than a

> > cold now and

> > then, like lots of other people. She always used to

> > vomit, have

> > strokes and seizures, but other types of

> > prescription and non

> > prescription drugs combined with a stressful street

> > lifestyle may

> > explain that. In jail she's off Prozac and perhaps

> > even off Dilantin

> > and is off street drugs, so it will be interesting

> > to see if she has any

> > more vomiting or grand mal seizures with bowel

> > release and memory

> > loss of significant parts of her life. Taking Prozac

> > and Dilantin and

> > abusing substances might have caused those symptoms.

> > She has

> > eaten an onion a day and lots of garlic cloves for

> > ten years since

> > she got tired of taking all those HIV pills. They

> > gave her Ziagen

> > with no warning label years ago, and that almost

> > killed her like

> > one out of ten--no warning label and a person

> > ignores the vomiting,

> > just pressing on, taking your medicine, like it's

> > good for you, the

> > more vomiting the better. She doesn't smoke.

> >

> > At the other end of the spectrum, there is one who

> > takes her HIV

> > drugs and has for ten years but hasn't died, and I'm

> > waiting for

> > further developments. Undoubtedly she has survived

> > the meds

> > so long due to eliminating other factors. She

> > doesn't smoke, a

> > possible survivor factor even though she takes meds,

> > unlike

> > most survivors. She has the side effects, short of

> > death.

> >

> > Then there was one who was fine with heroin and HIV+

> > for ten

> > years, just eating papaya, injecting heroin,

> > smoking, until she got wasting

> > symptoms and took the HIV drugs and got seizures and

> > pneumonia.

> > At first her wasting went away, but then thrush came

> > back, and she

> > got lymphoma and died of cancer. We think she ought

> > to have gotten

> > treated for the wasting in specific, i.e. consider

> > candida and parasites,

> > possibly stop using heroin. HIV drugs were a false

> > hope by making

> > the wasting symptoms go away for a couple of months.

> > Her liver

> > was destroyed by HIV drugs, and then the deluge of

> > opportunistic

> > infections and cancer.

> >

> > Real people are often stubborn and ignorant so the

> > real tests are

> > full of conflicts, making it difficult to judge what

> > caused what. At

> > that point statistics and averages help. My tally

> > shows taking the

> > meds kills, on average, surviving the meds, is near

> > impossible,

> > and surviving without them is likely, given a few

> > methods learned

> > at places like http://www.curezone.com

> >

> > -Bob

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Eliot,

I think you missed my point. I have no interest in my

" viral load " or t-cell counts. I think the ENTIRE

THING is 100% bullsh*t...from " HIV " to " viral load " to

" CD4 cells " ...it's all part of the VERY well planned

out terror by the scum of the earth Gallo, Fauci, the

NIH and the CDC.

I tried to eat well and I NEVER worry about coming

down with any opportunistic infection. According to

the " HIV " theory of " AIDS, " with my t-cell count, I am

open to EVERY SINGLE " AIDS " opportunistic infection,

every second of every day...and I've got 350,000

" viral loads " of " HIV " streaming through my system

gobbling up my t-cells EVERY SECOND OF EVERY DAY.

When I had my blood work done on May 9 last year, my

t-cells were 51. That was the last day I took the

toxic poisons. 6 months later, with a " viral load " of

350,000...my t-cells went to 49...essentially EXACTLY

THE SAME. The whole thing is a pure pile of terrorism

and BULLSH*T.

I no longer lead an unhealthy lifestyle, and I believe

that is all you need to cure yourself of " AIDS. "

You seem too wrapped up in the numbers to me...my

point about a case study is that I'm just going to

live a fairly healthy life style and I will bet you

that even with ZERO t-cells and a " viral load " of

750,000, I will still be alive and kickin in 5, 10, 20

years, etc. time! I'm going to make myself living

proof that the " HIV " theory of " AIDS " is pure and

complete HORSESH*T. NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO

TELL ME " HIV " CAUSES " AIDS " because I will be LIVING

PROOF that it doesn't...PROOF POSITIVE so to speak.

Best of luck to you,

Mike

--- eseal2@... wrote:

> Hi Mike,

>

> I did the same thing making a case study out of

> myself and have been

> successful moving my cell counts up and lowering the

> so called viral

> load, but it was a great deal of leaning and work.

> There are many

> naturalpathic methods discussed on this web site and

> others, I hope you

> will do some of the disciplines like jumping,

> electric medicine,

> supplimnets anf herbs, etc. Don't expect to drop

> meds and accomplish

> good health without devoting time, money and energy

> to your well being.

> Eliot

>

> Re: sorting thru the BS..........

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >>ANyone here with a consistent t-cell count of

> > below 200......who has

> > >>stayed off hiv drugs for several years and is

> > healthy more or less -

> > >>e-mail me! I have yet to find someone - I await.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>paul

> > >>

> > I know several street people with low t-cells for

> > years, and they

> > have been stronger than most people. One took a

> week

> > outdoors

> > in winter with no blanket to get hypothermia, then

> > recovered.

> > Another never gets anything but a cold, but has

> > other problems

> > which could be caused by toxicity of several

> strong

> > non-HIV drugs.

> >

> > I know somebody who has taken HIV drugs for years

> > but not in

> > the last several years. Her t-cell counts are

> always

> > under 200, but

> > she never gets pneumonia or anything other than a

> > cold now and

> > then, like lots of other people. She always used

> to

> > vomit, have

> > strokes and seizures, but other types of

> > prescription and non

> > prescription drugs combined with a stressful

> street

> > lifestyle may

> > explain that. In jail she's off Prozac and perhaps

> > even off Dilantin

> > and is off street drugs, so it will be interesting

> > to see if she has any

> > more vomiting or grand mal seizures with bowel

> > release and memory

> > loss of significant parts of her life. Taking

> Prozac

> > and Dilantin and

> > abusing substances might have caused those

> symptoms.

> > She has

> > eaten an onion a day and lots of garlic cloves for

> > ten years since

> > she got tired of taking all those HIV pills. They

> > gave her Ziagen

> > with no warning label years ago, and that almost

> > killed her like

> > one out of ten--no warning label and a person

> > ignores the vomiting,

> > just pressing on, taking your medicine, like it's

> > good for you, the

> > more vomiting the better. She doesn't smoke.

> >

> > At the other end of the spectrum, there is one who

> > takes her HIV

> > drugs and has for ten years but hasn't died, and

> I'm

> > waiting for

> > further developments. Undoubtedly she has survived

> > the meds

> > so long due to eliminating other factors. She

> > doesn't smoke, a

> > possible survivor factor even though she takes

> meds,

> > unlike

> > most survivors. She has the side effects, short of

> > death.

> >

> > Then there was one who was fine with heroin and

> HIV+

> > for ten

> > years, just eating papaya, injecting heroin,

> > smoking, until she got wasting

> > symptoms and took the HIV drugs and got seizures

> and

> > pneumonia.

> > At first her wasting went away, but then thrush

> came

> > back, and she

> > got lymphoma and died of cancer. We think she

> ought

> > to have gotten

> > treated for the wasting in specific, i.e. consider

> > candida and parasites,

> > possibly stop using heroin. HIV drugs were a false

> > hope by making

> > the wasting symptoms go away for a couple of

> months.

> > Her liver

> > was destroyed by HIV drugs, and then the deluge of

> > opportunistic

> > infections and cancer.

> >

> > Real people are often stubborn and ignorant so the

> > real tests are

> > full of conflicts, making it difficult to judge

> what

> > caused what. At

> > that point statistics and averages help. My tally

> > shows taking the

> > meds kills, on average, surviving the meds, is

> near

> > impossible,

> > and surviving without them is likely, given a few

> > methods learned

> > at places like http://www.curezone.com

> >

> > -Bob

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Eliot,

I'd be interested to know exactly what you did to improve your t-cell

count. I have never heard of jumping or electric medicine. What

were the supplements and herbs you took to boost your t-cells?

Thanks,

Mike

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >>ANyone here with a consistent t-cell count of

> > below 200......who has

> > >>stayed off hiv drugs for several years and is

> > healthy more or less -

> > >>e-mail me! I have yet to find someone - I await.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>paul

> > >>

> > I know several street people with low t-cells for

> > years, and they

> > have been stronger than most people. One took a week

> > outdoors

> > in winter with no blanket to get hypothermia, then

> > recovered.

> > Another never gets anything but a cold, but has

> > other problems

> > which could be caused by toxicity of several strong

> > non-HIV drugs.

> >

> > I know somebody who has taken HIV drugs for years

> > but not in

> > the last several years. Her t-cell counts are always

> > under 200, but

> > she never gets pneumonia or anything other than a

> > cold now and

> > then, like lots of other people. She always used to

> > vomit, have

> > strokes and seizures, but other types of

> > prescription and non

> > prescription drugs combined with a stressful street

> > lifestyle may

> > explain that. In jail she's off Prozac and perhaps

> > even off Dilantin

> > and is off street drugs, so it will be interesting

> > to see if she has any

> > more vomiting or grand mal seizures with bowel

> > release and memory

> > loss of significant parts of her life. Taking Prozac

> > and Dilantin and

> > abusing substances might have caused those symptoms.

> > She has

> > eaten an onion a day and lots of garlic cloves for

> > ten years since

> > she got tired of taking all those HIV pills. They

> > gave her Ziagen

> > with no warning label years ago, and that almost

> > killed her like

> > one out of ten--no warning label and a person

> > ignores the vomiting,

> > just pressing on, taking your medicine, like it's

> > good for you, the

> > more vomiting the better. She doesn't smoke.

> >

> > At the other end of the spectrum, there is one who

> > takes her HIV

> > drugs and has for ten years but hasn't died, and I'm

> > waiting for

> > further developments. Undoubtedly she has survived

> > the meds

> > so long due to eliminating other factors. She

> > doesn't smoke, a

> > possible survivor factor even though she takes meds,

> > unlike

> > most survivors. She has the side effects, short of

> > death.

> >

> > Then there was one who was fine with heroin and HIV+

> > for ten

> > years, just eating papaya, injecting heroin,

> > smoking, until she got wasting

> > symptoms and took the HIV drugs and got seizures and

> > pneumonia.

> > At first her wasting went away, but then thrush came

> > back, and she

> > got lymphoma and died of cancer. We think she ought

> > to have gotten

> > treated for the wasting in specific, i.e. consider

> > candida and parasites,

> > possibly stop using heroin. HIV drugs were a false

> > hope by making

> > the wasting symptoms go away for a couple of months.

> > Her liver

> > was destroyed by HIV drugs, and then the deluge of

> > opportunistic

> > infections and cancer.

> >

> > Real people are often stubborn and ignorant so the

> > real tests are

> > full of conflicts, making it difficult to judge what

> > caused what. At

> > that point statistics and averages help. My tally

> > shows taking the

> > meds kills, on average, surviving the meds, is near

> > impossible,

> > and surviving without them is likely, given a few

> > methods learned

> > at places like http://www.curezone.com

> >

> > -Bob

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >