Guest guest Posted September 17, 2001 Report Share Posted September 17, 2001 Hello, We recently moved to PA & I was wondering if anyone could point me to where I could find PA vax laws. I have several questions & hope someone can help me out!!! 1.) We have two children (1 & 2 y/o) who received a few vax's until we better understood all the issues & could make an educated desicion. We are no longer vaxing and are now seeing a new Dr. (obviously as our old one is in another state!) I'm curious if we need to file a religous exemption now even though they aren't near school age ( & might even be homeschooled) so we don't get any flack from any Dr.'s or anybody else should it ever come up. If so, how do I file this exemption? Also, because they did receive a few vaccinations, will anyone give me a hard time claiming a religious exemption? 2.) We are expecting our 3rd baby any time now. I will be giving birth in a hospital & am concerned about what we will encounter there when we refuse the Hep B vaccine. Should we have filed a religous exemption already. Or, can we just decline it & if they give us a problem, inform them we have religous reservations about vaccinations & that we are not giving them to our baby? I would really appreciate any/all advice & information on this issue. I don't have too much time (hopefully) before baby's born & should have completed this research by now...but, I'm sure as parents you understand how *something* is always pulling one way or the other!! TIA, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2001 Report Share Posted September 21, 2001 One can vax selectively with a religious exemption provided it is done on the sly. If anyone does discover you have done some vaxxes, it is unimportant because what matters are your " beliefs " TODAY not yesterday when you were vaxxing. It seems anyone can access our medical files. There is no privacy. It will become even more difficult to vax selectively if we complacently allow the national vax registry. In a message dated 9/18/2001 2:10:34 AM Central Daylight Time, moongirls@... writes: > 1.) If I take a religious exemption, but still give my children some > vaccinations (thinking about continuing polio or if something else is > necessray for our international travels) can the state access their > medical files to see that they have some? I mean, if I claim a > religous exemption, I guess we couldn't have any, right? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2001 Report Share Posted September 21, 2001 I don't believe there is anything in place " requiring " doctors to report non vax status. They just get pissed when you mess up their reward percentage. But again, with an exemption letter in your file, there should be no problem if you are turned in. Have you considered locating a doc more in line with your views? Here is some info: First of all, lemme state my mantra, " Remember, naturopaths are pediatricians too! " Okay, now that that is done, you can contact Mothering Magazine. They have a database of doctors who have been recommended by their readers as being either alternative or open-minded. You can also ask at your local health food stores for recommendations. (That's how I found an alternative Internal Medicine MD) Also, you can ask for recommendations from direct entry midwives. Don't know that I would set much stock in any recommendations from a CNM because they tend to be more medically oriented. Just gotta know your CNM's beliefs and practices. And now on to the websites where you can search for docs: <A HREF= " http://www.acam.org/ " >http://www.acam.org/</A> <A HREF= " http://www.naturopathic.org/ " >http://www.naturopathic.org/</A> <A HREF= " http://www.alternativemedicine.com/ " >http://www.alternativemedicine.com/</\ A> <A HREF= " http://www.alternative-medicine-and-health.com/ " >http://www.alternative-me\ dicine-and-health.com/</A> <A HREF= " http://www.healthy.net/ " >http://www.healthy.net/</A> <A HREF= " http://www.healthmall.com/ " >http://www.healthmall.com/</A> http://www.healthreferral.com Some parents are using homeopaths as their primary for themselves and their children. Classical homeopaths can be located at http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/STEVELIST.htm Also a list of homeopaths but not necessarily classical http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_info/ In a message dated 9/18/2001 2:10:34 AM Central Daylight Time, moongirls@... writes: > 2.) Are Dr.'s required to report parents who chose not to > vaccinate? This was one of our concerns with seeing a new Dr. for > the girls. However, we wanted to establish a relationship with a Dr. > so when/if they should need to see anybody, we had someone that we > felt comfortable with who knew our wishes. But, I am so afraid of > talking to any Dr. about or concerns/desires on the vax issue for > fear they might " turn us in. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2001 Report Share Posted September 21, 2001 You file it with YOURSELF - so that you have it to whip out should Child Protective Services show up on your doorstep. Also you file it with school authorities when your children attend those lovely institutions. You don't need to have anything to do with your State Health Department and it is in your best interest to never contact them and give your real name. There's no reason to contact them anyway. You can have a lawyer write the letter for you and he'll even put it on his scary lawyer stationery, but there is NO reason to do this. If you've got about $400 bucks burning a hole in your pocket - go right ahead! However, if you want a just as legal letter for less money, go to the bookstore at www.ThinkTwice.com You can purchase your state's law and a sample letter of exemption for $8. For that $8 you also receive their list of suggestions for submission. I imagine that you file one for each child. The letters I have seen only include one child's name. Kathleen In a message dated 9/18/2001 2:10:34 AM Central Daylight Time, moongirls@... writes: > 3.) Who do I file a religous exemption with? Would it be my State's > Health Department? Do I have to have a lawyer draft a letter for > me? How can I find one? Does anyone have any recommendations for > one in PA? Do I file one for each child? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2001 Report Share Posted September 22, 2001 Wow, that price is much easier on the ears! Filenbaum charged a friend of mine almost $400. Kathleen In a message dated 9/22/2001 7:28:14 AM Central Daylight Time, meharv84@... writes: > My attorney suggested you list all children now alive and add something to > the effect of " and all children born after this date " or " all subsequent > children " > > I have never seen a lawyer charge more than $25-$50 for writing a letter for > you. > > Love and Blessings, > Ellen > meharv84@... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2001 Report Share Posted September 22, 2001 In a message dated 9/22/01 5:06:06 PM GTB Daylight Time, HolisticMomma@... writes: << Filenbaum charged a friend of mine almost $400. >> From what I heard I feel Filenbaum is taking advantage of more non-vaxers by over charging for his services. sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2001 Report Share Posted September 22, 2001 Boy, it sure sounds that way. Because as I understand it, that $400 was simply to write the letter. He didn't have to get involved with school authorities or anything complicated. I'm wondering what kind of lawyer is he. Does he specialize in vaccine issues? In another words, is that ALL he does? Kathleen In a message dated 9/22/2001 9:11:15 AM Central Daylight Time, nnu29@... writes: > From what I heard I feel Filenbaum is taking advantage of more non-vaxers by > over charging for his services. > sara > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2001 Report Share Posted September 22, 2001 In a message dated 9/22/01 5:28:58 PM GTB Daylight Time, HolisticMomma@... writes: << I'm wondering what kind of lawyer is he. Does he specialize in vaccine issues? In another words, is that ALL he does? Kathleen >> Well I think that is his focus now.I think he has a web page.Let me see...<A HREF= " http://www.immunizationattorney.com/ " >Click here: Welcome to Filenbaum, Attorney At Law</A> http://www.immunizationattorney.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2001 Report Share Posted September 22, 2001 My attorney suggested you list all children now alive and add something to the effect of " and all children born after this date " or " all subsequent children " I have never seen a lawyer charge more than $25-$50 for writing a letter for you. Love and Blessings, Ellen meharv84@... I am secure in my Lord, Jesus Christ! He is my Saviour, my Protector, my Salvation, my Healer, my Provider, my EVERYTHING! Learn more about my people at http://chicora-waccamaw.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2001 Report Share Posted September 22, 2001 Yeah, Filenbaum is making quite the pretty penny for himself. He offered to charge me his " discounted rate " of 375 for the letter to cover both of my children... I've seriously been thinking of going over to Office Max or some such place - and making up my own stationary " From The Law Office Of Whalen & Whalen " ---and then typing up my own religious exemption ... ~le > << Filenbaum charged a friend of > mine almost $400. >> > From what I heard I feel Filenbaum is taking advantage of more non-vaxers by > over charging for his services. > sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2001 Report Share Posted September 22, 2001 Kathleen, He says that vaccine issues are only a part of his practice. But, a very lucrative one. He told me that he gets clients from as far away as Sweden, and that he fights vaccine issues in court all the time. He has made a niche for himself, in that most lawyers are not educated enough about vaccine issues to be able to prosecute or defend anyone. He writes his vaccine letters with the state laws included, and a statement that he reads to you over the phone, with you agreeing that it is against your religion to not trust that - " God, your provider, has given your child(ren) adaquate immune systems and that you do not wish to vaccinate them because it shows your mistrust in God. " Then he adds a few Biblical quotes to it --and that's it ! ~le Re: Re: Need some info/advice > Boy, it sure sounds that way. Because as I understand it, that $400 was > simply to write the letter. He didn't have to get involved with school > authorities or anything complicated. I'm wondering what kind of lawyer is > he. Does he specialize in vaccine issues? In another words, is that ALL he > does? > > Kathleen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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