Re: They should be perfect!

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In a message dated 3/17/01 9:58:55 PM Central Standard Time, tmac@...

writes:

> Why is it that schools think that our kids should be perfect little

> angles? I just found out from a friends daughter that at lunch

> yesterday was blowing bubbles in his milk and his teacher

> took his milk and threw it in the trash. I am so ticked off! The girl

> who told my husband about this also said that she doesn't feel

> they treat fairly. This is not the first time I have heard that

> from another child. I would just like to know why it is that when our

> kids do something it is treated like a federal crime but if another kid

> does the same thing nobody blinks an eye...

>

> Thanks for listening.

>

> Tena - who would like to take the teachers milk and pour it over her

> head! ;-)

Ooooh Tena I know you must remember my IEP meeting, where I brought up the

fact of the " sad face " in Sara's behavior chart...under lunch. I told them I

better NEVER see a sad face in the " lunch " part of Sara's day again for

blowing bubbles in her milk carton. Harping on issues like this is

ridiculous, especially since most of the 1st graders at that time were doing

it. LOL she also got a sad face for flipping food with her fork, a great OT

skill I might add lolol this was taught to her by fellow classmates, my

sister was visiting Sara that day and busted her peers for this. I do imagine

a lot of non-positive reactions happen behind my back, feel lucky you have

someone telling you. You might need to call another IEP meeting to remind

them of the positive way of handing stuff

Kathy mom to Sara 9........sure miss hearing stories, how has he been??

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In a message dated 3/17/01 9:58:59 PM Central Standard Time, tmac@...

writes:

> Tena - who would like to take the teachers milk and pour it over her

> head! ;-)

>

We'll all help you and bring the milk. I have always said our kids

have to act better than the other kids and it is certainly being proven

often. Jessie

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Double standards are common for school folks that work with our kids. Our

kids learn from others but are not sly enough to avoid being caught! ;-) And

school personnel somehow have a radar for honing in on them when they want to

find something wrong (wish they honed in more when they need help with

academics)

Anyway, most other kids do not get disciplined for small infractions in the

lunchroom. Point out that many other children are behaving in the same manner

and unless they plan on punishing everyone, this can be perceived as

discrimination. Do they have a written policy about not blowing bubbles in

your milk? ;-)

School used to punish my daughter for not eating her entire lunch. She had

adults hovering over her constantly, putting her in time out, writing notes

home, forcing her to pack open containers of milk, juice and food back in her

lunchbox to " show " her mother what she didn't eat, making a scene for her

almost every day. I finally told the principal that unless they planned to

start doing this with EVERY child in the lunchroom they better stop doing it

with mine! Have any of you been in an elementary lunchroom and seen the food

that is not eaten, thrown away, played with, tossed under the tables, sent

flying towards other kids?

I love having kids as witnesses. They are usually right on about injustice

and adults have a hard time discounting what comes from the children.

Cheryl in VA

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In a message dated 3/18/01 8:42:04 AM Central Standard Time, Wildwards writes:

> Double standards are common for school folks that work with our kids. Our

> kids learn from others but are not sly enough to avoid being caught! ;-)

And

> school personnel somehow have a radar for honing in on them when they want

to

> find something wrong (wish they honed in more when they need help with

> academics)

Cheryl you are right on the mark on this. I really think they think our kids

will keep these behaviors FOREVER lolol I remind them ....NO Sara will just

pick up another one Sara's 2nd grade class won an award the last day of

school before spring break for being the most well behaved class in the Lunch

Room, I got soooo tickled about this, knowing Sara was included in this

award. Hopefully all are more relaxed to her coping typical behaviors but I

have heard the school thinks Sara's a breeze compared to the new kids there

with autism so sad, Im guessing they are targeting them now.

Kathy mom to Sara 9

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In a message dated 3/18/2001 12:48:52 AM Central Standard Time,

JB66111@... writes:

> > Tena - who would like to take the teachers milk and pour it over her

> > head! ;-)

> >

> We'll all help you and bring the milk. I have always said our kids

> have to act better than the other kids and it is certainly being proven

> often.

Heck I'll give you the milk. We've got one bucket out there that needs to be

dumped really bad, it's kinda curdled. LOL

Joy

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I'd get the whole story before passing judgment, Tena. Did the teacher ask

to stop blowing bubbles in his milk? If so, how many times? Did the

teacher tell that the milk would be tossed if he didn't stop?

granny

---

" Beautiful that war and all its deeds of carnage must

in time be utterly lost. " -- Walt Whitman

http://www.bspyle.com/granny.html

They should be perfect!

> Why is it that schools think that our kids should be perfect little

> angles? I just found out from a friends daughter that at lunch

> yesterday was blowing bubbles in his milk and his teacher

> took his milk and threw it in the trash. I am so ticked off! The girl

> who told my husband about this also said that she doesn't feel

> they treat fairly. This is not the first time I have heard that

> from another child. I would just like to know why it is that when our

> kids do something it is treated like a federal crime but if another kid

> does the same thing nobody blinks an eye...

>

> Thanks for listening.

>

> Tena - who would like to take the teachers milk and pour it over her

> head! ;-)

>

>

>

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In a message dated 3/18/2001 11:09:48 AM Central Standard Time,

tmac@... writes:

> > > Tena - who would like to take the teachers milk and pour it over

> > > her head! ;-)

> > >

> > We'll all help you and bring the milk. I have always said

> > our kids

> > have to act better than the other kids and it is certainly being

> > proven often.

>

> In a message dated 3/18/2001 12:48:52 AM Central Standard

> Time,

> JB66111@... writes:

>

> Heck I'll give you the milk. We've got one bucket out there that

> needs to be dumped really bad, it's kinda curdled. LOL

>

> Joy

>

>

> ROFLOL thanks Joy!

> Tena

>

Well those darn cows should be good for a good laugh once in awhile since

they don't take weekends off. :-) LOL

Joy (who may be going to town to work. gee been 15 yrs since I've had

weekends off.)

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<< Is blowing bubbles really so bad? And is a kid going to do it forever? >>

Just how do you get the schools to NOT SWEAT the SMALL STUFF! Most things

are just NOT a bid deal!! Remind the child not to blow bubbles, and let it

go! I see " typical " children pushing, shoving, throwing food, bullying, all

sorts of things that KIDS DO and most of it is not even noticed. But let

Maverick tap a pencil and there he goes to time out!

It IS a double standard and it is up to us to teach them to keep the balance!

Chuckle, redirect, and MOVE ON!

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In a message dated 3/18/2001 12:23:44 PM Central Standard Time,

Michdock@... writes:

> Chuckle, redirect, and MOVE ON!

>

>

>

No Chuckling Please, at least not where mine can see it. It would cause her

to continue to do the unwanted behavior forever. LOL

Joy

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In a message dated 3/18/01 12:23:43 PM Central Standard Time,

Michdock@... writes:

> Just how do you get the schools to NOT SWEAT the SMALL STUFF!

HI

In almost the same words I have it written in Sara's IEP, the BIP part

lolololol and at a meeting I told them I better never see such trivial things

on her behavior chart..............geeesh I was a hair twirler when I was a

kid and I bet if Sara was she'd get busted for that too Heehee

Kathy mom to Sara 9.........I must say this year is a tad better, it's the

sass they are concentrating on........same at home

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<<I'd get the whole story before passing judgment, Tena. Did the teacher

ask

to stop blowing bubbles in his milk? If so, how many times? Did the

teacher tell that the milk would be tossed if he didn't stop?

granny>>

Granny,

Is blowing bubbles really so bad? And is a kid going to do it forever?

My opinion on both of these questions is no. Why does he have to stop?

Just because adults find it annoying? If it spills over I would have

wipe it up with his napkin...big deal. I can't imagine it would cause

too

much noise....it is lunch time and not church or class time. Sorry but

I disagree here and would be very angry if my child was treated this way.

I'm not going to ever encourage this type of behavior and I might even

state in some nice way why we don't really do that in public but not at

the

cost of losing the drink. I too am VERY tired of this double standard

with

our kids! Just because our kids may not have the added skills to be

deceitfully

or cover up misbehavior OR just because adults think they can treat our

kids stupidly because they don't think our kids have the mentality to

pass

judgement on their stupidity. I really wonder if this teacher would

treat all

kids like this.

Gail

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In a message dated 3/18/2001 12:48:52 AM Central Standard

Time,

JB66111@... writes:

> > Tena - who would like to take the teachers milk and pour it over

> > her head! ;-)

> >

> We'll all help you and bring the milk. I have always said

> our kids

> have to act better than the other kids and it is certainly being

> proven often.

In a message dated 3/18/2001 12:48:52 AM Central Standard

Time,

JB66111@... writes:

Heck I'll give you the milk. We've got one bucket out there that

needs to be dumped really bad, it's kinda curdled. LOL

Joy

ROFLOL thanks Joy!

Tena

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Granny,

You do make a valid point. IMO even if she had warned him rather

then throwing it away she could have taken it for a few minutes

then offered it back. According to the girl who told my husband

when the teacher saw him blowing bubbles she just took it. This

isn't the first time this year that we have had problems with this

teacher being negative or coming down to hard. Last week

lost recess one day because the teacher accused him of pushing

another girl. I spoke with the girl about it, (she is the daughter of a

friend) she told me that did not push her that he had

stumbled and she told that to the teacher but, the teacher insisted

he did push her so he lost recess. I told spec. ed director about

this and suggested they should listen to the kids a little more. Also

told them that I have heard from kids who don't feel the teachers

are fair to .

Tena

On 18 Mar 2001, " B. S. Pyle " <bspyle@b...> wrote:

> I'd get the whole story before passing judgment, Tena. Did the teacher

> ask to stop blowing bubbles in his milk? If so, how many times?

> Did the teacher tell that the milk would be tossed if he didn't

> stop?

>

> granny

> ---

> " Beautiful that war and all its deeds of carnage must

> in time be utterly lost. " -- Walt Whitman

> http://www.bspyle.com/granny.html

>

> They should be perfect!

>

>

> > Why is it that schools think that our kids should be perfect little

> > angles? I just found out from a friends daughter that at lunch

> > yesterday was blowing bubbles in his milk and his teacher took

> > his milk and threw it in the trash. I am so ticked off! The

> girl

> > who told my husband about this also said that she doesn't feel

> > they treat fairly. This is not the first time I have heard that

> > from another child. I would just like to know why it is that when

> our

> > kids do something it is treated like a federal crime but if another

> kid

> > does the same thing nobody blinks an eye...

> >

> > Thanks for listening.

> >

> > Tena - who would like to take the teachers milk and pour it over her

> > head! ;-)

> >

> >

> >

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In a message dated 3/18/01 11:01:58 AM Central Standard Time,

JTesmer799@... writes:

> Heck I'll give you the milk. We've got one bucket out there that needs to

> be

> dumped really bad, it's kinda curdled. LOL

>

> Joy

>

> Perfect!!!! Jessie

>

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and make sure to get sour milk so they smell too!!! even have little bits of

mold on their clothes.

Am I getting mean in my old age - lol!!!

Allyson

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In a message dated 3/18/01 11:56:46 AM Central Standard Time,

gboughton@... writes:

> . I too am VERY tired of this double standard

> with

> our kids! Just because our kids may not have the added skills to be

> deceitfully

> or cover up misbehavior OR just because adults think they can treat our

> kids stupidly because they don't think our kids have the mentality to

> pass

> judgement on their stupidity. I really wonder if this teacher would

> treat all

> kids like this.

>

> Gail

>

> You covered all the bases, Gail. I'm with you.

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In a message dated 3/19/2001 6:44:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,

bspyle@... writes:

> Blowing bubbles in ones milk is not acceptable behavior at

> the table for any child. Matter of fact, it's gross. Especially for the

> other people who are trying to eat

Granny,

The school lunchroom table and the home dinner table or restaurant dinner

table actually have two different sets of etiquette rules, trust me!!

learning to blow bubbles like his peers is probably quite an accomplishment

and far from being repudiated by his behaviors, the other kids no doubt give

him kudos! ;-) Now, as far as gross, blowing bubbles is nothing compared to

the things I have seen kids doing in the lunchroom, from showing everyone

their partially chewed food to things in the nose. Keep in mind the ages of

these kids. Blowing bubbles in your milk at age 8 or 9 is typical behavior.

If he was 19, we'd have a problem to discuss.

BTW, did he get the bubbles to come out and lay on the table or was he just

making noise? I saw a kid get a milk bubble tower about 6 inches high one

day, must have taken plenty of practice!

Cheryl in VA

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In a message dated 3/19/2001 5:44:27 AM Central Standard Time,

bspyle@... writes:

> . Matter of fact, it's gross. Especially for the

> other people who are trying to eat.

>

>

May be gross, but redirection would be the best answer. After all the

teachers do not eat lunch in the cafeteria and all the other kids are just

reminded to not do it. You would be surprised at how even 8th graders go out

of their way to be gross. I once took Kristi and a couple of her friends to

find shoes for cheerleading, we stopped at McD's and I was really had to ask

them if their mothers let them talk and chew when eating at home. (I went to

school with their parents the one were in my class the others a couple yrs

older, and I know they weren't that ill mannnered) They admitted that no,

they had to chew, shallow then speak. They were a little better after that

but the whole purpose was to be gross. they both now have young

daughters.....it's probably payback time. hehe

Joy

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You go and pour that milk on her head.....or at least when you se her at the

iep, when she has a coffee and slurps in , get up and throw it in the

trash,,......when she complains, ask her how felt

Leis- mum to BJ 3 yrs

ICQ # 8168619

Wise men never sit and wail their loss,

but cheerily seek how to redress their harms.

Shakespeare

Henry the Sixth-Part Three 5iv

They should be perfect!

> Why is it that schools think that our kids should be perfect little

> angles? I just found out from a friends daughter that at lunch

> yesterday was blowing bubbles in his milk and his teacher

> took his milk and threw it in the trash. I am so ticked off! The girl

> who told my husband about this also said that she doesn't feel

> they treat fairly. This is not the first time I have heard that

> from another child. I would just like to know why it is that when our

> kids do something it is treated like a federal crime but if another kid

> does the same thing nobody blinks an eye...

>

> Thanks for listening.

>

> Tena - who would like to take the teachers milk and pour it over her

> head! ;-)

>

>

>

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In a message dated 03/19/2001 7:14:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,

bspyle@... writes:

<< The school lunch room should require the same good

manners as home or a restaurant. If it doesn't, then something is amiss. >>

When is the last time you were in a elementary lunchroom? There are about

500 kids and one adult. The kids all know what they can get away with and

they do it. When a kid squirts the mustard, mayo, and ketchup packets all

over food in his tray, stirs it up and eats the nasty mess, the other kids

respond with the appropriate ews and yuks and laughter! Those same kids

would never do that at home. The lunchroom is a different environment,

regardless of whether it should be or not.

Believe it or not, I can still remember some of the antics my classmates

performed during lunch time (blowing milk was one of them) when I was in

elementary school, and we had teachers sitting at our tables. The boys used

to have spagetti sucking contests all the time. I wonder if I can still shoot

a pea off my fork three tables over? ;-)

Cheryl in VA

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In a message dated 03/19/2001 8:50:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,

bspyle@... writes:

<< When I was in grade school (back in the dark ages), the teacher ate with

her

class. Mealtime was teaching table manners time. >>

Teachers ate with us too but it was to prevent shenanigans, not teach

manners. We never discussed manners at all but some comments from the boys

brought forth an unwanted lesson on sex education, the purpose of bras, and

some other embarrassing info in co-ed classes. We girls were mortified, the

boys were just highly amused and finally some parents stepped in and made our

teacher seek approval from higher ups for anything impromtu lessons she

decided to teach!

Cheryl in VA

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In a message dated 03/19/2001 9:01:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,

bspyle@... writes:

<< I would not allow a

child of mine to be exposed to such danger. >>

Maybe we should start a lunchroom poll .... how many kids here are in

lunchrooms with just the lunchroom monitor present?

Mine are in high school, different than elementary school, there are some

teachers sitting at their tables off to the side. That doesn't stop flying

food, or fights from breaking out.

Cheryl in VA

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Sounds as though that teacher has a real problem. I don't blame you for

being upset. Stay on her case until she cleans up her act, sez me!

granny

---

" Beautiful that war and all its deeds of carnage must

in time be utterly lost. " -- Walt Whitman

http://www.bspyle.com/granny.html

They should be perfect!

> >

> >

> > > Why is it that schools think that our kids should be perfect little

> > > angles? I just found out from a friends daughter that at lunch

> > > yesterday was blowing bubbles in his milk and his teacher took

> > > his milk and threw it in the trash. I am so ticked off! The

> > girl

> > > who told my husband about this also said that she doesn't feel

> > > they treat fairly. This is not the first time I have heard that

> > > from another child. I would just like to know why it is that when

> > our

> > > kids do something it is treated like a federal crime but if another

> > kid

> > > does the same thing nobody blinks an eye...

> > >

> > > Thanks for listening.

> > >

> > > Tena - who would like to take the teachers milk and pour it over her

> > > head! ;-)

> > >

> > >

> > >

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In a message dated 3/19/2001 7:54:42 AM Central Standard Time,

wildwards@... writes:

> When is the last time you were in a elementary lunchroom? There are about

> 500 kids and one adult.

Joy waves her hand to say WHAT!! 500 kids in one lunch room???. YIKES!! My

school doesn't even have that many in the elementry school, if we add the

high school we could go over that number tho. hehe. the way the lunch room

aide pushes them to eat and get out they probably never 3 classes in there

at a time, highschool has three lunch periods that are 30 min. long., elem

does k-3 and then start 4-6 after the first bunch has had time to move out. I

really think some of these kids are learning to gulp and run. Probalby not a

good thing to do. sigh.

But except for the numbers you are right. LOL

Joy

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I think meal times are great opportunities for teaching proper table

manners, Gail. Blowing bubbles in ones milk is not acceptable behavior at

the table for any child. Matter of fact, it's gross. Especially for the

other people who are trying to eat.

granny

---

" Beautiful that war and all its deeds of carnage must

in time be utterly lost. " -- Walt Whitman

http://www.bspyle.com/granny.html

Re: They should be perfect!

> <<I'd get the whole story before passing judgment, Tena. Did the teacher

> ask

> to stop blowing bubbles in his milk? If so, how many times? Did the

> teacher tell that the milk would be tossed if he didn't stop?

>

> granny>>

>

> Granny,

> Is blowing bubbles really so bad? And is a kid going to do it forever?

> My opinion on both of these questions is no. Why does he have to stop?

> Just because adults find it annoying? If it spills over I would have

>

> wipe it up with his napkin...big deal. I can't imagine it would cause

> too

> much noise....it is lunch time and not church or class time. Sorry but

> I disagree here and would be very angry if my child was treated this way.

> I'm not going to ever encourage this type of behavior and I might even

> state in some nice way why we don't really do that in public but not at

> the

> cost of losing the drink. I too am VERY tired of this double standard

> with

> our kids! Just because our kids may not have the added skills to be

> deceitfully

> or cover up misbehavior OR just because adults think they can treat our

> kids stupidly because they don't think our kids have the mentality to

> pass

> judgement on their stupidity. I really wonder if this teacher would

> treat all

> kids like this.

>

> Gail

>

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