Guest guest Posted March 12, 2001 Report Share Posted March 12, 2001 Personally, I think there is more at the root of this problem than prayer in school. Our society has a whole has evolved in a direction that has allowed some of these actions to take place. But I have no nostalgia for the past practices that accompanied the prayer in school. My father didn't spank us, he beat us, cruelly. We had teachers who were unfair, who lied and who just about tortured kids they didn't like, on a daily basis. If you were of a certain " class " in school, determined by your family's income, you didn't stand a chance. And as a Navy brat, I went to many schools spread out all over the country and saw much of the same thing in these different schools. In Virginia we had a big debate over a proposed law that will force children to say the pledge of allegiance. It has passed. Now, who do you blame for children who do not have enough respect for their flag or their country or their rights or their ancestors that fought so these students can enjoy the life they have today that we must legislate saying the pledge of allegiance ..... is it the school's fault? Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 In a message dated 03/13/2001 9:01:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, gboughton@... writes: << <<Why is it that in countries like mine, shooting incidents never occur. >> >> Some countries don't have their kids in schools, they are on the streets robbing and trying to survive. Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 Tena, when I read this message I really was anoid. I thought I was in a group with some common sense. I't doesn't bother me when people spray out there believes everywhere they go and use it everywhere they see fit, but this draws the line. Maybe you should start with a fight to ban guns in your country. The wild west is long gone in case you didn't notice. Why is it that in countries like mine, shooting incidents never occur. Or even vicious attacks for that matter. The violence in our schools is minimal. Why is it that in this open country the rate of teen age pregnance is almost zero. Maybe because we are so OPEN about it. Maybe because we teach our boys what responsibility is. Why is it that there are still people who think that to avoid a child from hitting eachother we hit him ourselves. We are the thinking adults. Teaching that violence is wrong with the use of violence. A bit strange don't you think. Do you hit your friends or neighbours to when they disbehave? Or do you just shoot them? Doen't matter when sometimes a parent hits somewhat to hard. It's in the book. The bible is in for many interpretations, unhappily enough people interpretate in in the way it fits their own WAY best. And I live in a liberal country, where the ground rule is RESPECT. Lets get one thing very clear, WE are the ones that raise our children, not the media, not the schools, WE. I try to give my children the right values. And thats to respect. And to love. So respect those who don't think like you. That bans out the hatred. It's letters like this that make people hate each other. And I don't think religion was invented as a tool of hate. So stop using it in that way! These ways of thinking start the bombings of abortion clinics. Start the bashing of gays. And stop this nonsense, it doesn't show much respect to the victims and their families. Rob father of Merel and Summer DS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 In a message dated 03/13/2001 9:20:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, bspyle@... writes: << Name one industrialized nation, like the USA, where this is true, Cheryl. >> I had read in the past of the skinhead gangs in England that roam the streets, metros, etc., perhaps they no longer exist. Wasn't Britain where the young boys murdered the toddler a few years back. But I wasn't thinking of industrialized countries, just thinking that violence among kids is not just limited to here. One of the saddest elements I see in all these shootings we have in the US is the fact that so many of these kids send out warning signals no one heeds. Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 First of all, the Supreme Court has never ruled against prayer in school. What it has ruled is that the government cannot tell you what prayers you can and cannot say. Besides, how do you stop someone from praying? As long as there are exams, there will be prayer in schools. If the child has a family that reads the Bible at home, he doesn't need to read the Bible at school except as an academic subject, which is allowed. All a child learns from a spanking is that it's okay for big people to hit little people. Discipline in school is alive and well. My son is in charge of the program where he teaches. He says most of the students sent to him are mentally ill and abused at home, but there is no help for them. It is none of my business what other people do in private as long as it's between consenting adults. I truly have no problem with nude pictures ... be it in a magazine or hanging in the Louvre. It God created it, it is good. " > And someone else took that appreciation a step further > and published pictures of nude children and then > stepped further still by making them available on the > internet. And we said they're entitled to their free > speech. " -- blatantly UNTRUE. When did you decide lying is okay? Where can a minor receive any surgery without the parent or guardian's consent? My TV has an " off " button. I do not have to go to a movie I consider immoral. I can prevent any minor living in my home from watching anything. These are nothing more than excuses for parents who need a scapegoat for their failure as parents. granny --- " Beautiful that war and all its deeds of carnage must in time be utterly lost. " -- Walt Whitman http://www.bspyle.com/granny.html Makes you think...... > Food for thought > > In light of the recent shootings in our schools, > let's see, I think it started when Madeline Murray > O'Hare complained she didn't want any prayer in > our schools, and we said OK. > > Then someone said you better not read the Bible in > school...the Bible that says thou shalt not kill, > thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as > yourself. And we said OK. > > Dr. Spock said we shouldn't spank our > children when they misbehave because their little > personalities would be warped and we might damage > their self-esteem. And we said, an expert should > know what he's talking about so we said OK, we won't > spank them anymore. > > Then someone said teachers and principals better not > discipline our children when they misbehave. And the > school administrators said no faculty member in this > school better touch a student when they misbehave > because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely > don't want to be sued (There's a big difference > between disciplining and touching, beating, smacking, > humiliating, kicking, etc. And we accepted their > reasoning. > > Then someone said, let's let our daughters have > abortions if they want, and they won't even have to > tell their parents And we said, that's a grand idea. > Then some wise school board member said, since boys > will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's > give our sons all the condoms they want, so they can > have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to > tell their parents they got them at school. And we > said, that's another great idea. > > Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't > matter what we do in private as long as we do our > jobs. And agreeing with them, we said it doesn't > matter to me what anyone, including the President, > does in private as long as I have a job and the > economy is good. > > And then someone said let's print magazines with > pictures of nude women and call it wholesome, > down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the > female body. And we said we have no problem with > that. > > And someone else took that appreciation a step further > and published pictures of nude children and then > stepped further still by making them available on the > internet. And we said they're entitled to their free > speech. > > And the entertainment industry said, let's make TV > shows and movies that promote profanity, violence, and > illicit sex. And let's record music that encourages > rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. > And we said it's just entertainment, it has no adverse > effect, and nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go > right ahead. > > Now we're aking ourselves why our children have no > conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and > why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their > classmates, and themselves. > > Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough > we can figure it out. > > I think it has a great deal to do with " WE REAP WHAT > WE SOW. " > > Dear God, > Why didn't you save the little girl in Michigan? > Sincerely, > Concerned Student > > AND THE REPLY > > Dear Concerned Student, > I am not allowed in schools. > Sincerely, > God > > Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and > then wonder why the world's going to hell. > > Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but > question what the Bible says. > > Funny how everyone wants to go to heaven provided they > do not have to believe, think, say, or do anything the > Bible says. > > Funny how someone can say " I believe in God " but still > follow Satan who, by the way, also " believes " in God. > > Funny how we are quick to judge but not to be judged. > > Funny how you can send a thousand " jokes " through > e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you > start sending messages regarding the Lord, people > think twice about sharing. > > Funny how the lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene pass > freely through cyberspace, but the public discussion > of Jesus is suppressed in the school and workplace. > > Funny how someone can be so fired up for Christ on > Sunday, but be an invisible Christian the rest of the > week. > > Are you laughing? > > Funny how when you go to forward this message, you > will not send it to many on your address list because > you're not sure what they believe, or what they will > think of you for sending it to them. > > Funny how I can be more worried about what other > people think of me than what God thinks of me. > > Are you thinking? > > Pass it on if you think it has merit! If not then > just discard it...no one will ever know what you did > for sure. > > But, if you discard this thought process, then don't > sit back and complain about what a bad shape the world > is in... > > > Tena > mailto:tmac@... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 <<Why is it that in countries like mine, shooting incidents never occur. >> Hi Rob, What country are you in? I get so afraid everytime I hear about kids shooting kids! I am almost afraid to send Ted to school. Can I move to where you are? Gail, mom to Theodore (9) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 Just about any country except the good old US of A, where children have easy access to guns, Gail. We're the only one without very strict gun control. granny --- " Beautiful that war and all its deeds of carnage must in time be utterly lost. " -- Walt Whitman http://www.bspyle.com/granny.html Re: Makes you think...... > <<Why is it that in countries like mine, shooting incidents never occur. > >> > > Hi Rob, > What country are you in? I get so afraid everytime I hear about kids > shooting kids! I am almost afraid to send Ted to school. Can I move to > where you are? > Gail, mom to Theodore (9) > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 Re: Makes you think...... > Some countries don't have their kids in schools, they are on the streets > robbing and trying to survive. > Cheryl in VA Name one industrialized nation, like the USA, where this is true, Cheryl. granny --- " Beautiful that war and all its deeds of carnage must in time be utterly lost. " -- Walt Whitman http://www.bspyle.com/granny.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 In a message dated 3/13/2001 7:35:10 AM Central Standard Time, bspyle@... writes: > First of all, the Supreme Court has never ruled against prayer in school. > What it has ruled is that the government cannot tell you what prayers you > can and cannot say. Besides, how do you stop someone from praying? As long > as there are exams, there will be prayer in schools. > > If the child has a family that reads the Bible at home, he doesn't need to > read the Bible at school except as an academic subject, which is allowed. > > Granny you want to correct the second paragraph here? If you refuse to let a child read the Bible in school to himself/herself you aren't you in effect going against the SC's ruling? If the child makes the Bible his reading chioce what is it to you? If you believe it's not right to read a Bible in school by choice then what makes you think that the schools haven't gone off the deep end regarding prayer. There are many areas where I do believ ethat shool administrations are completely losing their marbles, I mean don't you concider it an infringement for the school to fire or reprimand a teacher for bowing her head and praying silently before eating her lunch? this has happened. Joy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 In a message dated 3/13/2001 8:04:26 AM Central Standard Time, bspyle@... writes: > We're the only one without very strict gun control. > > granny > So? Did you hear England is arming the bobbies in some cities because the gangs have guns and the people need someone to try to protect them? Joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 Hi Granny, I thought that this goes on in the US everyday.....with the homeless children & runaways (for example) Maura (mom to lese 11 yrs & Adelena 8.7 yrs w/ds) ----Original Message Follows---- From: " B. S. Pyle " <bspyle@...> " " < > Subject: Re: Makes you think...... Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:18:22 -0600 Re: Makes you think...... > Some countries don't have their kids in schools, they are on the streets > robbing and trying to survive. > Cheryl in VA Name one industrialized nation, like the USA, where this is true, Cheryl. granny --- " Beautiful that war and all its deeds of carnage must in time be utterly lost. " -- Walt Whitman http://www.bspyle.com/granny.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 > would LOVE it, as long as they were the right > prayers. But what if there is a school with a minority of Christians, > would those same people feel comfortable if the organized prayer was > based on Judiaism? I doubt it. Just my two cents... This is a good point. I grew up in a mostly Baptist town in Western NY, my family is the only Jewish (the only non-Christian family that we knew of) in our town. I went to a High School of 2,500 students. This is no small Farm Village! My parents moved there because my father's University where he teaches is only a 45 minute drive from our home and my mother's Elementary school where she teaches is just 1 hour away, so it was sort of in the middle. Had we lived closer, the homes would have been too expensive for them at the time to buy. In 1996, when I was a Sophomore in High School a student " club " called " Christian Crusade " pushed for something call " Prayer at the Pole. " The school board approved it and every morning during " homeroom " a bunch of students would go out to the flag pole and pray. Being a religious (Jewish) person, I wouldn't have minded to join them, only their prayers, lead by a Christian preacher were all directed to Jesus Christ and spoke of helping the poor souls who did not follow Jesus to return to Him, and I felt as if I didn't belong there and I certainly was not invited. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying nor was I ever saying that Jesus was a bad person (on the contrary I'm sure), but he is not my G-d to be prayed to and THEY made that clear. So, I stayed in my homeroom. And my school filled with posters that said " Make Friends... See you at the pole! " Then, they started to get the students that went to pray at the pole candy. One by one, I saw kids pressured into going to the pole... after all, it was the only way to have friends (and get candy in school). Was this a religious revolution?? Were High Schoolers finally finding G-d?? I can honestly say.. NO WAY! See, these same kids at the pole in the morning were smoking pot every night, skipping classes, fighting in the lunch room, etc. The school's violence record did not decline, the number of students dropping out continued to increase as it had before the " pole, " and teen pregnancy continued to increase as well. This was not a remedy for my school and it was a source of huge rejection for me. That year, my Mass Media teacher, Mrs. Haber, said to me, " What's the big deal Sara? Why can't you just accept the Lord like the rest of us?? " This may sound like a fine question to you, but to a girl who was being taught by her school that she was the outcast, that she was the one with the family that was all wrong, it struck me deep and hurt. And I can honestly say that at that moment in my life I felt the strongest hate I have ever felt. I hated my school for making me feel unwelcomed and wrong. I hated my friends who went to the pole every morning just for the candy and cursed G-d 15 minutes later. I hated my school board who was seeing this as their problem solver for their High School. I didn't go get a gun and shoot everyone... I was taught better than that. But G-d didn't come to our HS when the meeting was at the pole, but diversity was being fed to the devil. Anyway, if you got to this part of the post, G-d bless you! LOL Sorry this was so long!! It is a topic that really puts salt in an old wound. Cheers! Sara (still a devote Jew... but loves diversity! )) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 I thought this happened everyday IN the US with the homeless & runaway children(for example) Maura (mom to lese 11yrs & Adelena 8.7 yrs w/ds) ----Original Message Follows---- From: " B. S. Pyle " <bspyle@...> " " < > Subject: Re: Makes you think...... Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:18:22 -0600 Re: Makes you think...... > Some countries don't have their kids in schools, they are on the streets > robbing and trying to survive. > Cheryl in VA Name one industrialized nation, like the USA, where this is true, Cheryl. granny --- " Beautiful that war and all its deeds of carnage must in time be utterly lost. " -- Walt Whitman http://www.bspyle.com/granny.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 >Dear God, >Why didn't you save the little girl in Michigan? >Sincerely, >Concerned Student >AND THE REPLY >Dear Concerned Student, >I am not allowed in schools. >Sincerely, >God Tena, I hope you don't view this as a flame. But since you expressed your opinion by posting what you did, I just want to express my opinion. I don't ever remember anyone saying God is not allowed in school. Children are free to pray at anytime during the day...nobody can stop that. Organized prayer is another thing. I suppose those who think we should have organized prayer in school would LOVE it, as long as they were the right prayers. But what if there is a school with a minority of Christians, would those same people feel comfortable if the organized prayer was based on Judiaism? I doubt it. And I also find it funny that so many people who blame no prayer in school on everything that is wrong, also feel that we should all have access to guns. Regardless of the moral fiber of the children in school...school shootings would not happen if kids did not have access to guns. Ronca A devout Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 >> We're the only one without very strict gun control. >> >> granny >> > > So? Did you hear England is arming the bobbies in some cities because > the gangs have guns and the people need someone to try to protect them? > > Joy Speaking of gun control... I think our major problem is that people (probably mostly kids) in the US do not see guns as the tool for disaster that they are. I served (half of what most Israelis serve) in the IDF and I was trained to use an M16 and to carry it and to care for it. It made me want to vomit everytime I had to put that thing on my shoulder. We were trained to use it for what it was... a tool of war and not a toy or part of a " game. " Almost every home in Israel has an M16, but NO home (no Israeli, Palestinian homes are a different story) has an M16 that the adults (usually the man, women only serve 2½ years) didn't go through at least 3 years of training for!!! And the only reason why they have it still in their home is because they must serve each year for a certain time. I have yet to meet an Israeli that WANTS to have an M16 (other than a few in the settlements who feel they need it for protection... and lately they do!). I'm not familiar with what it takes to get a gun license in the US (I do know it is apparently too easy to get a gun without a license) but I'm sure it's not 3 years of intense training. And I think that has everything to do with how serious a society views these weapons. Just my 2 cents... Sara PS, hey? Isn't this a family DS-related list?? I hope I'm not contributing to mass unwanted email. Please let me know if I am... I'll stop posting off-DS-related topics!! http://www.DSyndrome.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 > I'm not familiar with what it takes to get a gun license in the US (I do > know it is apparently too easy to get a gun without a license) but I'm > sure it's not 3 years of intense training. And I think that has > everything to do with how serious a society views these weapons. Just to clarify, I am NOT suggesting mandatory draft in the USA (LOL!! On the contrary! I hated the army!!) nor am I suggesting 3 years of intense training to get a gun, I am just saying that the countries that do have the guns " available " so-to-say in the homes do not face the problems we are because their situations in obtaining them are put on a more serious level than here. Oh, does that make sense??? Maybe I am making this worse?? Sorry! Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 >Dear Concerned Student, >I am not allowed in schools. >Sincerely, >God Simply not true. God is allowed anywhere you want to carry him. What's not allowed is mandated, imposed God-of-whose-religion, to allow for the variety of religious beliefs in our country. CK, Mom to Ian (2/89), (9/90), and Rose (6/94) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 I was beginning to think that myself. I don't really like the tone this discussion is taking. Everybody is feeling criticized for their beliefs, and no one is going to change anybodys mind about these issues. Karla > PS, hey? Isn't this a family DS-related list?? I hope I'm not contributing > to mass unwanted email. Please let me know if I am... I'll stop posting > off-DS-related topics!! > http://www.DSyndrome.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 Elaine, I have been thinking about how to respond to this and you sort of said what I think I believe. Since all this has been going on with the students in the schools with guns, I was speaking today about what I thought is a possible problem. Now I'm speaking as a teacher and a parent. I feel that we have relinquished our discipline and along with it has gone respect for adults like parents and teachers. And by no means do I mean corporal punishment or hitting. My son is only 6 and he knows about values and whats right and wrong. But he also knows what isnt right and may not have reprecusssion for it. Parents are the main players in instilling values in their children and schools can only reinforce it. I also agree about the military and the right to bear arms. 15 year olds have no right to bear arms. Let's all keep that in mind. It is a very scarry world we are living in. Let's try to make it brighter for our children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 In a message dated 3/13/01 9:32:03 AM Central Standard Time, List@... writes: > Anyway, if you got to this part of the post, G-d bless you! LOL Sorry this > was so long!! It is a topic that really puts salt in an old wound. > > Cheers! > Sara (still a devote Jew... but loves diversity! )) Hi Sara Just got back into town and caught this thread, I have to say I feel blessed my child's middle school has prayer at the flag pole I can be a real Prayer Warrior and I'm grateful this is available to my 11 yr. old daughter. True.... some may be using this as a social time but as a Christian I know one day the message will sink in I have seen this with many young adults who were wild teens. I live in a community with diverse religious folks, and many of them gather in areas around the school to pray. I am truly sorry you felt bad, as Christians we don't want that, and I imagine the young Christians didn't know how to handle the differences. Ohhhhh only more thing to add Christians are NOT perfect, never will be but we are forgiven Kathy mom to Sara 9.............who had to do a whole lot of praying this weekend, baby Tater-Tot had surgery and he's home now doing great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 In a message dated 3/13/01 10:18:14 PM Central Standard Time, tmac@... writes: > Sara and others, > > I too like diversity. In high school I had several good > friends who > were Jewish others who were Catholic dated a guy once > who was southern > Baptist...anyway I have attened services with all and > truely enjoyed it. I > have respect for all in there beliefs. I didn't write the post > it was sent > to me by a friend. I felt it made some good points and > thought others > might enjoy it also. It was never my intention to offend > anyone. If I have I appologize. > > > > > > Tena HI Tena My sister sent me the same post and in a way it had some valid points Heehee I wont say which ones but life sure did seem simpler in the old days Kathy mom to Sara 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 Rob, I agreed with most of your points but I don't think putting down someone else's country or their belief system was not the way to make it. Our country allows a great many freedoms. I do not own a gun and most people I know do not. My husband is in the Army and we don't own a gun. The second ammendment of our constitution gives the right to bear arms (with regard to a militia). It has been interpreted by the Supreme Court to mean that everyone has the right to bear arms. I do not agree with this interpretation but it is the law of MY country and I abide by it. Most of us do teach our boys responsibility. I have seen a real degredation of values since discipline was taken from schools and parents. I don't simply mean spanking, but real discipline. You must TEACH the correct behavior as well as model it. There are times however when you lay down the law to kids. These are the rules and there will be REAL consequences if you disobey them. Just like in life. I think that you have heard all our sensationalized news and never hear the good things about our country. Many of us know that we are perceived as gun toting vigilantes and barbarians. We are neither. We have a free society and when people are free, there will be people who take advantage of the system. If we weren't free, you couldn't have published this letter putting us down. Oh BTW, annoyed is spelled like this. Elaine RE: Makes you think...... > Tena, > > when I read this message I really was anoid. I thought I was in a group with > some common sense. I't doesn't bother me when people spray out there > believes everywhere they go and use it everywhere they see fit, but this > draws the line. > > Maybe you should start with a fight to ban guns in your country. The wild > west is long gone in case you didn't notice. > Why is it that in countries like mine, shooting incidents never occur. Or > even vicious attacks for that matter. The violence in our schools is > minimal. > > Why is it that in this open country the rate of teen age pregnance is almost > zero. Maybe because we are so OPEN about it. Maybe because we teach our boys > what responsibility is. > > Why is it that there are still people who think that to avoid a child from > hitting eachother we hit him ourselves. We are the thinking adults. Teaching > that violence is wrong with the use of violence. A bit strange don't you > think. Do you hit your friends or neighbours to when they disbehave? Or do > you just shoot them? > Doen't matter when sometimes a parent hits somewhat to hard. It's in the > book. > > The bible is in for many interpretations, unhappily enough people > interpretate in in the way it fits their own WAY best. > And I live in a liberal country, where the ground rule is RESPECT. > > Lets get one thing very clear, WE are the ones that raise our children, not > the media, not the schools, WE. I try to give my children the right values. > And thats to respect. And to love. > > So respect those who don't think like you. That bans out the hatred. It's > letters like this that make people hate each other. And I don't think > religion was invented as a tool of hate. So stop using it in that way! These > ways of thinking start the bombings of abortion clinics. > Start the bashing of gays. > > And stop this nonsense, it doesn't show much respect to the victims and > their families. > > Rob > father of Merel and Summer DS > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 As far as I know there is no LAW to prevent a child from taking his Bible to school and reading it, as long as he is not forcing it on anyone else. Also there is no LAW that prevents a teacher from bowing her head and saying a silent prayer over her lunch. I'm sure there are nuts in some schools who would go off the deep end about it but it is not a correct interpretation of the Constitution. Jessie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 Sara and others, I too like diversity. In high school I had several good friends who were Jewish others who were Catholic dated a guy once who was southern Baptist...anyway I have attened services with all and truely enjoyed it. I have respect for all in there beliefs. I didn't write the post it was sent to me by a friend. I felt it made some good points and thought others might enjoy it also. It was never my intention to offend anyone. If I have I appologize. Tena mailto:tmac@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 In a message dated 3/14/2001 5:58:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, bspyle@... writes: > We have more homeless children than ever in this country > thanks to welfare " reforms. " > I watched the movie " The Cider House Rules " this weekend. Do we have orphanages any longer, or is everyone processed thru social services to foster care in the community. I know we have residential facilities for children with disabilities that are given up by their parents, we have two in our area. And I know young adults with disabilities that live in nursing homes, they have nowhere else. But for children without disabilities, are there still warehouse type facilities in our country? Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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