Re: new subject: when a loved one is in jail

[Guest guest]

I have NO idea about any of this, Jean...

I think Equip for Equality is a good place to start...they should be able to

answer your questions or will know where to go for those answers. I do not know

if any of the kinds of publications you mention exist...but maybe they do.

Does anyone out there have any idea?

That is quite a story. My heart goes out to that young man.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

when a loved one is in jail

Last night I got a phone call from an acquaintance in the UP. His great

nephew has Asperger's. The kid is 19 and has suffered not only from his

disability but from a nightmarish family situation. The kid is in jail in

Pinckneyville, which is too far for me to drive. (This is a shameful

admission; I like to think that I could rescue anyone in IL.) The uncle

lives far away and has limited means.

The kid has inadequate social and language skills. He has a poor concept of

time: he asked his great uncle how long 120 days is. He does not really

understand money.

What now? I sent the story to Equip for Equality, but do not know what to

do next.

Which brings me to the major topic: we need a booklet that gives us the

necessary information in the event that one of our kids is accused of doing

something illegal. I need something a lot more specific than the advice to

call a lawyer. How does one get the information to the jail employees about

the limitations of the kid? How does one get the jail psychiatrist to

evaluate for something other than depression, psychosis, and cognitive

disability? How does one persuade a judge to even consider a psychiatric

setting for a disabled young adult? How does one educate a Public Defender?

His father is in prison, and his mother died when he was small, so he was

sent to live with a grandmother. She did what old people do. She died. He

was sent to live with an aunt, who had no clue what to do with a kid who has

AS. He was sent to other relatives and finally ended up living on the

streets in Houston -- not really on the streets, I guess; he had a tent in a

city park.

I hate to think of his starting a life of utter chaos; it doesn't sound like

he has the skills to make adequate choices.

Ideas, anyone?

Jean

[Guest guest]

I do not know if this will be very helpful at this point, but I'd look at Dennis

Debault's web site.  He's been in law enforcement and has a kid on the autism

spectrum.  Some of his materials are geared toward training police departments,

and some toward parents of younger kids.

http://policeandautism.cjb.net/

http://www.autismriskmanagement.com/parents.html

It's also worthwhile to advocate with local police departments or sheriff's to

get him in to speak.

-Gail

 

From: Kulczyk <advocate4kids@...>

Subject: new subject: when a loved one is in jail

IPADDUnite

Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 6:36 PM

Last night I got a phone call from an acquaintance in the UP. His

great

nephew has Asperger's. The kid is 19 and has suffered not only from his

disability but from a nightmarish family situation. The kid is in jail in

Pinckneyville, which is too far for me to drive. (This is a shameful

admission; I like to think that I could rescue anyone in IL.) The uncle

lives far away and has limited means.

The kid has inadequate social and language skills. He has a poor concept of

time: he asked his great uncle how long 120 days is. He does not really

understand money.

What now? I sent the story to Equip for Equality, but do not know what to

do next.

Which brings me to the major topic: we need a booklet that gives us the

necessary information in the event that one of our kids is accused of doing

something illegal. I need something a lot more specific than the advice to

call a lawyer. How does one get the information to the jail employees about

the limitations of the kid? How does one get the jail psychiatrist to

evaluate for something other than depression, psychosis, and cognitive

disability? How does one persuade a judge to even consider a psychiatric

setting for a disabled young adult? How does one educate a Public Defender?

His father is in prison, and his mother died when he was small, so he was

sent to live with a grandmother. She did what old people do. She died. He

was sent to live with an aunt, who had no clue what to do with a kid who has

AS. He was sent to other relatives and finally ended up living on the

streets in Houston -- not really on the streets, I guess; he had a tent in a

city park.

I hate to think of his starting a life of utter chaos; it doesn't sound like

he has the skills to make adequate choices.

Ideas, anyone?

Jean

[Guest guest]

I think I know a lawyer that have Asperger Syndrome. It is true that

person with Asperger Syndrome can be a lawyer.

People with Asperger Syndrome that can argue and be a strong

defendent or offendent

Back when I was younger, I carry high honor in winning 1st and 2nd

Place award for public speaking.

Any way...

I wonder what was the crime that he committed. Secondly, I move on to

analysis the angle in any emotion, social, and the people. Thirdly, I

get a phystrist to speak in court on the defendent behalf.

This is what I will tell the jury, this man grew up in a dyfunctional

family, have Asperger Sydrome which causes lack of social impairment

and has a strong routine for being indoor which cause him to get out

of touch in reality.

I would ask the jury to look upon this man with grace and accept that

he wasn't trained properly as a boy.

Then, I would go on to argue the climax and the whole scene.

If the crime wasn't his fault, he is free.

If it were his fault, I tried getting the court a lighter sentence.

[Guest guest]

Find out who the PAS agency is for that area. They should help you.

They can help educate the public defender as to what needs to be done

for this individual. It may actually be a good thing for this young

man as the court can order DHS to provide services for this young

man. The judge can also order fitness restoration training which is

training on the court system for people who my not be " fit " to stand

trial. The training usually takes place at a pyschatric facility. --

email me off line and I can try to answer any more questions that you

may have.

> I have NO idea about any of this, Jean...

> I think Equip for Equality is a good place to start...they should

be able to answer your questions or will know where to go for those

answers. I do not know if any of the kinds of publications you

mention exist...but maybe they do.

> Does anyone out there have any idea?

> That is quite a story. My heart goes out to that young man.

> Ellen

> Ellen Garber Bronfeld

> egskb@...

> when a loved one is in jail

>

>

> Last night I got a phone call from an acquaintance in the UP. His

great

> nephew has Asperger's. The kid is 19 and has suffered not only

from his

> disability but from a nightmarish family situation. The kid is in

jail in

> Pinckneyville, which is too far for me to drive. (This is a

shameful

> admission; I like to think that I could rescue anyone in IL.) The

uncle

> lives far away and has limited means.

>

> The kid has inadequate social and language skills. He has a poor

concept of

> time: he asked his great uncle how long 120 days is. He does not

really

> understand money.

>

> What now? I sent the story to Equip for Equality, but do not know

what to

> do next.

>

> Which brings me to the major topic: we need a booklet that gives

us the

> necessary information in the event that one of our kids is

accused of doing

> something illegal. I need something a lot more specific than the

advice to

> call a lawyer. How does one get the information to the jail

employees about

> the limitations of the kid? How does one get the jail

psychiatrist to

> evaluate for something other than depression, psychosis, and

cognitive

> disability? How does one persuade a judge to even consider a

psychiatric

> setting for a disabled young adult? How does one educate a Public

Defender?

>

> His father is in prison, and his mother died when he was small,

so he was

> sent to live with a grandmother. She did what old people do. She

died. He

> was sent to live with an aunt, who had no clue what to do with a

kid who has

> AS. He was sent to other relatives and finally ended up living on

the

> streets in Houston -- not really on the streets, I guess; he had

a tent in a

> city park.

>

> I hate to think of his starting a life of utter chaos; it doesn't

sound like

> he has the skills to make adequate choices.

>

> Ideas, anyone?

>

> Jean

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Gail, this is great info to have.

Yesterday, our QMRP from PACT was over to update Angel's PUNS.  She shared with

me a brochure from the DuPage County Sheriff's Program for At Risk Residents

(SPARR).

I can scan this in as a PDF.  Could someone tell me how I can upload this?

Finato

www.AngelSpeaks.com

www.wegrowdreams.org

From: Kulczyk <advocate4kids@ gmail.com>

Subject: new subject: when a loved one is in jail

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 6:36 PM

Last night I got a phone call from an acquaintance in the UP. His great

nephew has Asperger's. The kid is 19 and has suffered not only from his

disability but from a nightmarish family situation. The kid is in jail in

Pinckneyville, which is too far for me to drive. (This is a shameful

admission; I like to think that I could rescue anyone in IL.) The uncle

lives far away and has limited means.

The kid has inadequate social and language skills. He has a poor concept of

time: he asked his great uncle how long 120 days is. He does not really

understand money.

What now? I sent the story to Equip for Equality, but do not know what to

do next.

Which brings me to the major topic: we need a booklet that gives us the

necessary information in the event that one of our kids is accused of doing

something illegal. I need something a lot more specific than the advice to

call a lawyer. How does one get the information to the jail employees about

the limitations of the kid? How does one get the jail psychiatrist to

evaluate for something other than depression, psychosis, and cognitive

disability? How does one persuade a judge to even consider a psychiatric

setting for a disabled young adult? How does one educate a Public Defender?

His father is in prison, and his mother died when he was small, so he was

sent to live with a grandmother. She did what old people do. She died. He

was sent to live with an aunt, who had no clue what to do with a kid who has

AS. He was sent to other relatives and finally ended up living on the

streets in Houston -- not really on the streets, I guess; he had a tent in a

city park.

I hate to think of his starting a life of utter chaos; it doesn't sound like

he has the skills to make adequate choices.

Ideas, anyone?

Jean

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Here is how to upload...

Make sure what you want to upload is in your own computer files

Go to files on the right side of the home page...

Go to add file on the top right side of the files page if you are uploading

something totally new and different OR go to the appropriate already existing

file and open that file and follow these instructions...

Fill in whatever file name and description you want (arbitrary, really...) and

go to browse...this will let you in to your personal computer files where you

will highlight the file to be opened and uploaded...

then hit upload and the file will either be added to the already existing file

you have chosen or you will have created an entirely new file for whatever info

you are uploading...

You might want to consider a totally new file for info on Safety or something

like that...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

when a loved one is in jail

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 6:36 PM

Last night I got a phone call from an acquaintance in the UP. His great

nephew has Asperger's. The kid is 19 and has suffered not only from his

disability but from a nightmarish family situation. The kid is in jail in

Pinckneyville, which is too far for me to drive. (This is a shameful

admission; I like to think that I could rescue anyone in IL.) The uncle

lives far away and has limited means.

The kid has inadequate social and language skills. He has a poor concept of

time: he asked his great uncle how long 120 days is. He does not really

understand money.

What now? I sent the story to Equip for Equality, but do not know what to

do next.

Which brings me to the major topic: we need a booklet that gives us the

necessary information in the event that one of our kids is accused of doing

something illegal. I need something a lot more specific than the advice to

call a lawyer. How does one get the information to the jail employees about

the limitations of the kid? How does one get the jail psychiatrist to

evaluate for something other than depression, psychosis, and cognitive

disability? How does one persuade a judge to even consider a psychiatric

setting for a disabled young adult? How does one educate a Public Defender?

His father is in prison, and his mother died when he was small, so he was

sent to live with a grandmother. She did what old people do. She died. He

was sent to live with an aunt, who had no clue what to do with a kid who has

AS. He was sent to other relatives and finally ended up living on the

streets in Houston -- not really on the streets, I guess; he had a tent in a

city park.

I hate to think of his starting a life of utter chaos; it doesn't sound like

he has the skills to make adequate choices.

Ideas, anyone?

Jean

[Guest guest]

This has been quite an adventure. I have called several places in search of

assistance. Ultimately I called Mike Kaminsky at Illinois Lifespan. He

gave me several resources to call. One did not answer. It was a state

agency and 4 PM on Friday. The other one answered, took the information,

told me agencies she would contact, and gave me hope for the kid's future.

As I learn more, I'll share what I learn with all of you. Thus far I have

to give kudos to Mike Kaminsky. He had the resources in line for making

things work.

Jean

[Guest guest]

Thanks Ellen

Finato

www.AngelSpeaks.com

www.wegrowdreams.org

From: Kulczyk <advocate4kids@ gmail.com>

Subject: new subject: when a loved one is in jail

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 6:36 PM

Last night I got a phone call from an acquaintance in the UP. His great

nephew has Asperger's. The kid is 19 and has suffered not only from his

disability but from a nightmarish family situation. The kid is in jail in

Pinckneyville, which is too far for me to drive. (This is a shameful

admission; I like to think that I could rescue anyone in IL.) The uncle

lives far away and has limited means.

The kid has inadequate social and language skills. He has a poor concept of

time: he asked his great uncle how long 120 days is. He does not really

understand money.

What now? I sent the story to Equip for Equality, but do not know what to

do next.

Which brings me to the major topic: we need a booklet that gives us the

necessary information in the event that one of our kids is accused of doing

something illegal. I need something a lot more specific than the advice to

call a lawyer. How does one get the information to the jail employees about

the limitations of the kid? How does one get the jail psychiatrist to

evaluate for something other than depression, psychosis, and cognitive

disability? How does one persuade a judge to even consider a psychiatric

setting for a disabled young adult? How does one educate a Public Defender?

His father is in prison, and his mother died when he was small, so he was

sent to live with a grandmother. She did what old people do. She died. He

was sent to live with an aunt, who had no clue what to do with a kid who has

AS. He was sent to other relatives and finally ended up living on the

streets in Houston -- not really on the streets, I guess; he had a tent in a

city park.

I hate to think of his starting a life of utter chaos; it doesn't sound like

he has the skills to make adequate choices.

Ideas, anyone?

Jean

[Guest guest]

I should have thought to recommend calling Mike! He and his Illinois Lifespan

are one of the hidden treasures as far as resources go in the disabilities

world!

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

when a loved one is in jail

This has been quite an adventure. I have called several places in search of

assistance. Ultimately I called Mike Kaminsky at Illinois Lifespan. He

gave me several resources to call. One did not answer. It was a state

agency and 4 PM on Friday. The other one answered, took the information,

told me agencies she would contact, and gave me hope for the kid's future.

As I learn more, I'll share what I learn with all of you. Thus far I have

to give kudos to Mike Kaminsky. He had the resources in line for making

things work.

Jean

[Guest guest]

Oh my God! How can he be put in jail??? He will be a target there.

Shouldn't he be at least in a place where persons with mental illness

or disabilities goes? I am so uneducated in this topic, and not

knowing or needing to know for that matter what the crime was, put my

gosh, how can someone who is not totally responsible for their

actions be in jail?

Diane S

>

> Last night I got a phone call from an acquaintance in the UP. His

great

> nephew has Asperger's. The kid is 19 and has suffered not only from

his

> disability but from a nightmarish family situation. The kid is in

jail in

> Pinckneyville, which is too far for me to drive. (This is a

shameful

> admission; I like to think that I could rescue anyone in IL.) The

uncle

> lives far away and has limited means.

>

> The kid has inadequate social and language skills. He has a poor

concept of

> time: he asked his great uncle how long 120 days is. He does not

really

> understand money.

>

> What now? I sent the story to Equip for Equality, but do not know

what to

> do next.

>

> Which brings me to the major topic: we need a booklet that gives us

the

> necessary information in the event that one of our kids is accused

of doing

> something illegal. I need something a lot more specific than the

advice to

> call a lawyer. How does one get the information to the jail

employees about

> the limitations of the kid? How does one get the jail psychiatrist

to

> evaluate for something other than depression, psychosis, and

cognitive

> disability? How does one persuade a judge to even consider a

psychiatric

> setting for a disabled young adult? How does one educate a Public

Defender?

>

> His father is in prison, and his mother died when he was small, so

he was

> sent to live with a grandmother. She did what old people do. She

died. He

> was sent to live with an aunt, who had no clue what to do with a

kid who has

> AS. He was sent to other relatives and finally ended up living on

the

> streets in Houston -- not really on the streets, I guess; he had a

tent in a

> city park.

>

> I hate to think of his starting a life of utter chaos; it doesn't

sound like

> he has the skills to make adequate choices.

>

> Ideas, anyone?

>

> Jean

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe that I am now able to tell you the final chapter of this very

strange story. The young man is accused of a crime that is sexual in

nature. His guilt is dubious. It is, as you know, very easy to vicitimize

people who have disabilities, and allegations of sexual activity are hard to

disprove, even for people who have good pragmatic language and social

skills.

Through Mike Kaminsky I found someone who could advocate for him. She is

wise, experienced, and knows all the agencies that should be able to offer

him assistance. When she called his grandmother to get some background

information, the grandmother refused to cooperate. Perhaps she believed

that she was protecting his privacy, perhaps she was simply unable to have

one more painful conversation about the many failures of both the family and

the system in protecting him. Whatever the reason, the advocate and I are

no longer involved.

So that is the end of the story. The good derived from it has to be the

discussion it has spurred and the contacts I have made; it does not approach

balancing the bad, the waste of the life of a young man whose strengths

could have been salvaged and used for the good of society.

Jean

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Pyle Bopkas <teleprovider@...>wrote:

> I think I know a lawyer that have Asperger Syndrome. It is true that

> person with Asperger Syndrome can be a lawyer.

>

> People with Asperger Syndrome that can argue and be a strong

> defendent or offendent

>

> Back when I was younger, I carry high honor in winning 1st and 2nd

> Place award for public speaking.

>

> Any way...

>

> I wonder what was the crime that he committed. Secondly, I move on to

> analysis the angle in any emotion, social, and the people. Thirdly, I

> get a phystrist to speak in court on the defendent behalf.

>

> This is what I will tell the jury, this man grew up in a dyfunctional

> family, have Asperger Sydrome which causes lack of social impairment

> and has a strong routine for being indoor which cause him to get out

> of touch in reality.

>

> I would ask the jury to look upon this man with grace and accept that

> he wasn't trained properly as a boy.

>

> Then, I would go on to argue the climax and the whole scene.

>

> If the crime wasn't his fault, he is free.

>

> If it were his fault, I tried getting the court a lighter sentence.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

SO sad, Jean.

But I agree, some good comes out of this in furthering all of our knowledge

about available resources.

Maybe things will work out for this young man, eventually.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

when a loved one is in jail

I believe that I am now able to tell you the final chapter of this very

strange story. The young man is accused of a crime that is sexual in

nature. His guilt is dubious. It is, as you know, very easy to vicitimize

people who have disabilities, and allegations of sexual activity are hard to

disprove, even for people who have good pragmatic language and social

skills.

Through Mike Kaminsky I found someone who could advocate for him. She is

wise, experienced, and knows all the agencies that should be able to offer

him assistance. When she called his grandmother to get some background

information, the grandmother refused to cooperate. Perhaps she believed

that she was protecting his privacy, perhaps she was simply unable to have

one more painful conversation about the many failures of both the family and

the system in protecting him. Whatever the reason, the advocate and I are

no longer involved.

So that is the end of the story. The good derived from it has to be the

discussion it has spurred and the contacts I have made; it does not approach

balancing the bad, the waste of the life of a young man whose strengths

could have been salvaged and used for the good of society.

Jean

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Pyle Bopkas <teleprovider@...>wrote:

> I think I know a lawyer that have Asperger Syndrome. It is true that

> person with Asperger Syndrome can be a lawyer.

>

> People with Asperger Syndrome that can argue and be a strong

> defendent or offendent

>

> Back when I was younger, I carry high honor in winning 1st and 2nd

> Place award for public speaking.

>

> Any way...

>

> I wonder what was the crime that he committed. Secondly, I move on to

> analysis the angle in any emotion, social, and the people. Thirdly, I

> get a phystrist to speak in court on the defendent behalf.

>

> This is what I will tell the jury, this man grew up in a dyfunctional

> family, have Asperger Sydrome which causes lack of social impairment

> and has a strong routine for being indoor which cause him to get out

> of touch in reality.

>

> I would ask the jury to look upon this man with grace and accept that

> he wasn't trained properly as a boy.

>

> Then, I would go on to argue the climax and the whole scene.

>

> If the crime wasn't his fault, he is free.

>

> If it were his fault, I tried getting the court a lighter sentence.

>

>

>