Introduction

[Guest guest]

~

Welcome to the group!

...and congratulations on your little one! And good luck with the local support

group!

I don't post regularly to the group... my daughter with Down syndrome is 24 ~

and a total trip. attends a day program for the Arts, works part-time

three afternoons a week as a Housekeeper for one of the United Cerebral Palsy

facilities here in town, volunteers on Saturdays at the Thrift store for our

local Homeless Shelter, and started her own business this last year, decorating

canvas Saks - http://sarah-works.com

Now, I am not at all saying that the path to get her to this point was not

fraught with pitfalls and side-trips that I never expected - but all in all, a

path well worth traveling!

We are in Stockton - and my oldest daughter is in Las Vegas for this week -

something about a bowling tournament that her boyfriend's father is in there...

wave if you see her wandering around! :^)

Kathy Werner

mom to (24-DS) http://waycool.net/sarah

and (21-HoH, Meningitis, Cholesteatoma)

and Amber (33-Keratoconus)

and Meryl (26-AVM)

and grandma to four typically developing kids - Jade (a boy) (oh-so-13),

Christian (nearly 4), Aiden (a girl) (2), and Kaitlyn (9 months)

> Good Morning,

>

> I am new to the list so thought I would introduce myself.

>

> My name is (28) and I am married to (25). We have a

> beautiful daughter named Madelynn (2). We just gave birth to a

> gorgeous

> little boy, Noah who has down syndrome. He is 5 days old.

>

> He also has AV Canal Defect which as I am told is common to Down

> Syndrome.

> We are home from the hospital already miraculously and are

> scheduled to

> return for the heart surgery in October.

>

> I am super excited for this opportunity to raise Noah and become

> united with

> others who have experience in this, as I'm sure I'm for a surprise

> or two as

> we go.

>

> The nearest support group for any disabilities is 140 mile round

> trip from

> us. We are in a community just outside of Las Vegas, NV with

> approximately

> 40,000 people. I checked with the school district and they have 15

> students

> with down syndrome alone (not counting other disabilities). So, my

> goal,

> I'm starting a localized support group, in my free time.

>

> In either case just saying hi.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome and family! Congratulations on the birth of your son, and

good luck in starting a local support group. I am , mom to 3

girls ages 9, 11 and 13. Our middle daughter, surprised us by

being born with DS, but she's been a blessing and a joy, just like our

other 2. It's hard to believe it's been over 11 years now since we were

given the news.... it seemed like things moved so slowly, but looking

back, I really got to enjoy some of the baby stages a bit longer. And

here we are, finishing elementary school in a few days!

is fully included at our neighborhood elementary school, and

will be " moving on up " to middle school next fall. She will still by

fully included, and is really looking forward to that next step (while I

would rather stay at the elementary school for a few more years, LOL.)

She's a great kid, and she participates in many of the same types of

activities her sisters do. She's more of a home-body than the other

two, favoring reading, movies, and her beloved computer (which actually

was great, from early on.... she learned a LOT from the many educational

computer games because of the ability for repetition..... don't get it,

try again,) but she has participated in sports like basketball,

gymnastics and soccer. She has friends at school, and is beginning to

form friendships with others in the DS community (as we meet them

through Challenger sports, etc.) As a little girl, she was more drawn

to typical kids because in general, I think, it was easier for her to

communicate with them, as they were more patient and tried to understand

her speech. Now, as a pre-teen, she's enjoying her new friendships with

her friend(s) with DS, as they have matured a bit and " found " each

other. It's a nice mix.

Although we are in the San Diego area and have a good local support

group, I didn't find that it met my needs as much as this online group.

We have enjoyed participating in the " big " events like Buddy Walk,

picnics, etc. that the San Diego DSA organized, but have relied less on

weekly support meetings. did Early Intervention programs,

which gave us support from a variety of professionals, preschool (both

regular and special ed), but I found more answers from this group than I

ever did from our local group.... you'll get a wide range of answers and

suggestions.

Good luck, and again, welcome!

, mom to (13), (11 DS), and Sammy (9)

Boruchowitz wrote:

>

>

> Good Morning,

>

> I am new to the list so thought I would introduce myself.

>

> My name is (28) and I am married to (25). We have a

> beautiful daughter named Madelynn (2). We just gave birth to a gorgeous

> little boy, Noah who has down syndrome. He is 5 days old.

>

> He also has AV Canal Defect which as I am told is common to Down Syndrome.

> We are home from the hospital already miraculously and are scheduled to

> return for the heart surgery in October.

>

> I am super excited for this opportunity to raise Noah and become

> united with

> others who have experience in this, as I'm sure I'm for a surprise or

> two as

> we go.

>

> The nearest support group for any disabilities is 140 mile round trip from

> us. We are in a community just outside of Las Vegas, NV with approximately

> 40,000 people. I checked with the school district and they have 15

> students

> with down syndrome alone (not counting other disabilities). So, my goal,

> I'm starting a localized support group, in my free time.

>

> In either case just saying hi.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Congratulations on the birth of your son, . Got any picts yet?

We live in a rural area, so online support is a life saver for us. Welcome

to the group!

Nolan-6

Phoebe Ds & Cf-4

Lipstick

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf

Of Boruchowitz

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 10:50 AM

Subject: Introduction

Good Morning,

I am new to the list so thought I would introduce myself.

My name is (28) and I am married to (25). We have a

beautiful daughter named Madelynn (2). We just gave birth to a gorgeous

little boy, Noah who has down syndrome. He is 5 days old.

He also has AV Canal Defect which as I am told is common to Down Syndrome.

We are home from the hospital already miraculously and are scheduled to

return for the heart surgery in October.

I am super excited for this opportunity to raise Noah and become united with

others who have experience in this, as I'm sure I'm for a surprise or two as

we go.

The nearest support group for any disabilities is 140 mile round trip from

us. We are in a community just outside of Las Vegas, NV with approximately

40,000 people. I checked with the school district and they have 15 students

with down syndrome alone (not counting other disabilities). So, my goal,

I'm starting a localized support group, in my free time.

In either case just saying hi.

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group! You will find heaps of info and fun and laughter

here- tis not just a group for kids with DS, but for families too- so

please feel free to brag about both your lil ones

Enjoy Noah while he is a baby And good luck with the surgery- many

mums have gone thru that here- so if you have any questions just ask

away !!

Aussie Leis - mum to - 11 DS; Natasha - 7 ; - 5 1/2 and

Liliana 1

Boruchowitz wrote:

> Good Morning,

>

>

> I am new to the list so thought I would introduce myself.

>

>

>

> My name is (28) and I am married to (25). We have a

> beautiful daughter named Madelynn (2). We just gave birth to a gorgeous

> little boy, Noah who has down syndrome. He is 5 days old.

>

>

> He also has AV Canal Defect which as I am told is common to Down Syndrome.

> We are home from the hospital already miraculously and are scheduled to

> return for the heart surgery in October.

>

>

> I am super excited for this opportunity to raise Noah and become united with

> others who have experience in this, as I'm sure I'm for a surprise or two as

> we go.

>

>

>

> The nearest support group for any disabilities is 140 mile round trip from

> us. We are in a community just outside of Las Vegas, NV with approximately

> 40,000 people. I checked with the school district and they have 15 students

> with down syndrome alone (not counting other disabilities). So, my goal,

> I'm starting a localized support group, in my free time.

>

>

> In either case just saying hi.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi !

Congratulations on your baby boy!  I'm jealous...they grow too fast!!  My

is 7 and she can't be bothered to be my baby anymore!  When she was born, we

were in such shock that we missed out on all the excitement and pure joy having

a new baby.  No one knew what to say, and who could blame them, I wouldn't have

known what to say either.

But I do now!

You have been recruited by your baby boy to embark on a journey words cannot

describe.  You will find places in your soul you never knew existed and you will

experience unconditional love in it's truest form.

Even on my worst days, and I've had my fair share, I know this to be true!

Does this mean that everything is all rainbows and sunshine...heck no, I've been

trying to auction off on Ebay for years :0)  so kidding!  She is the

biggest brat ever...she is my youngest, my only girl and she has two older

brothers...having Down syndrome has nothing to do with it.  I know she would be

exactly the same if she didn't have Downs...she'd still be spoiled rotten, the

princess, super stubborn and a total diva...I mean, she is my daughter :0)

When my friends hear about all the crazy stuff she does, they laugh because they

know where she gets it from.  And strangers that tell me... " oh, I just love Down

syndrome kids, they are so sweet and loving " ...I just laugh and say, well, I'm

really sorry you believe that, because my daughter is an onery little disaster

who can be mean as a snake...would you like to take her home for a few hours? 

And , oh she just hams it up...she gives them that sweet ole innocent smile

and looks up at me like, " mom....whatever are you talking about?  I'm an

angel " .  Enough about my personal " mini-jenny " .

Congratulations!!!

  Moyers

Kay Independent Beauty Consultant

832-816-7992

www.marykay.com/jendmoyers

________________________________

From: Boruchowitz <dboruchowitz@...>

Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 10:50:29 AM

Subject: Introduction

Good Morning,

I am new to the list so thought I would introduce myself.

My name is (28) and I am married to (25). We have a

beautiful daughter named Madelynn (2). We just gave birth to a gorgeous

little boy, Noah who has down syndrome. He is 5 days old.

He also has AV Canal Defect which as I am told is common to Down Syndrome.

We are home from the hospital already miraculously and are scheduled to

return for the heart surgery in October.

I am super excited for this opportunity to raise Noah and become united with

others who have experience in this, as I'm sure I'm for a surprise or two as

we go.

The nearest support group for any disabilities is 140 mile round trip from

us. We are in a community just outside of Las Vegas, NV with approximately

40,000 people. I checked with the school district and they have 15 students

with down syndrome alone (not counting other disabilities) . So, my goal,

I'm starting a localized support group, in my free time.

In either case just saying hi.

[Guest guest]

welcome . I am Diane from PA, just outside Philly.

Nic is 12 and also had an av canal defect (among other things) he had

surgery at 11 weeks old and is doing beautifully!

Looking forward to learning more about your family.

Di

Introduction

> Good Morning,

>

>

> I am new to the list so thought I would introduce myself.

>

>

>

> My name is (28) and I am married to (25). We have a

> beautiful daughter named Madelynn (2). We just gave birth to a gorgeous

> little boy, Noah who has down syndrome. He is 5 days old.

>

>

> He also has AV Canal Defect which as I am told is common to Down Syndrome.

> We are home from the hospital already miraculously and are scheduled to

> return for the heart surgery in October.

>

>

> I am super excited for this opportunity to raise Noah and become united

> with

> others who have experience in this, as I'm sure I'm for a surprise or two

> as

> we go.

>

>

>

> The nearest support group for any disabilities is 140 mile round trip from

> us. We are in a community just outside of Las Vegas, NV with

> approximately

> 40,000 people. I checked with the school district and they have 15

> students

> with down syndrome alone (not counting other disabilities). So, my goal,

> I'm starting a localized support group, in my free time.

>

>

> In either case just saying hi.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

I just bought my first batch of seeds from Sproutpeople and I can't wait to get

started. I live in D.C. and have been 100% raw going on six months now. I

started in 1994 but because I was too stressed with work and sprouting was a

challenge in the Florida heat, I got away from being 80 percent raw to about

50%. I got back on track in January after tasting some very good food a Senbeb

cafe in D.C.

I decided to try sprouting again in order to get very " live " food -- I like the

idea that the sprouts are still growing while they are on the plate. It reminds

me of what my mother used to talk about - boiling the water for corn and then

rushing out to pick the corn, or fishermen in the Bahamas cooking fish just

after it was caught. The best is always better.

So once I saw all those Russian, French and Italian blends, I thought now that's

an incentive to spout. Anyway, I bought the Easy Green because I wanted to

ensure my sprouts got rinsed if I forgot or was too tired to do the work. I

know I'm still going to have to still do a lot of work, but every little bit

helps. However, I will be using Sproutpeople's suggestions to use their

instructions on the seeds first to see how it goes. Easy Green folks recommended

simpler seeds like broccoli, clover and radishes to start with. We'll see what I

feel like trying.

Anyway, Sparrow, it's interesting to read about your food on a " typical " day, or

least one day. I usually make a powerpacked green smoothie too with bee pollen,

vitamins, spirulina and bluegreen algae and vitamins and whatever fruit and

greens I have on hand. But still I need that raw cracker or some nuts to hold

me. Smoothies are like appetizers for me. They make me want to eat. I usually

make more salads and soups and can't wait to spruce up my soups and salads with

sprouts. And smoothies too!

> >

> > Hey, check out these folks-- maybe there is a location near you.

>

> They aren't anywhere in my state. Thanks for looking, though.

>

> > But since your hubby does not eat raw, maybe

> > this will work for you?

>

> Believe it or not, he's a pickier eater than I am. I can't use

> coupons

> because I spend five hours going through coupons only to find out he

> will eat two things I've found coupons for and I've just spent five

> hours to save 70 cents.

>

> Now if they only made coupons for produce, I'd be using nearly all of

> them!

>

> Sparrow

>

> Home grown tomatoes: the ultimate taste of summer

>

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[Guest guest]

On 6/4/09, Ajowa Nzinga Ifateyo <ajowa.ifateyo@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

Hello. You have a beautiful name!

> Anyway, Sparrow, it's interesting to read about your food

> on a " typical " day, or least one day. I usually make a

> powerpacked green smoothie too with bee pollen, vitamins,

> spirulina and bluegreen algae and vitamins and whatever

> fruit and greens I have on hand.

Sounds tasty. Check to be sure your bluegreen algae isn't coming from

Lake Klamath in Oregon. Klamath only grows bluegreen algae because of

the agricultural runoff contaminating the lake. Klamath algae is one

of those things I've noticed gets sold as a health supplement that's

more likely toxic than healthy (like high-fructose agave syrup.)

> But still I need that raw cracker or some nuts to hold me.

> Smoothies are like appetizers for me. They make me

> want to eat.

I make HUGE smoothies - like two quarts at a time. The thing that

trips most people up when they try to go raw is that they aren't

getting enough calories. There are basically two places to get

high-density raw calories and that's fruit or fat. Fruit can and will

satisfy but most people are really surprised to see how much fruit

they have to eat to hit that point and some people's stomachs aren't

big enough to hold all the fruit they need to satisfy their caloric

needs so they assume that fruit *can't* satisfy and turn to fats like

nuts and avocados. Also, there is an underlying psychological idea

that fruits cannot be filling, based on a lifetime context of food

ideas from parents, teachers, the media, etc.

A person can re-think things and switch to a low-fat, high-fruit raw

diet (just like a person can re-think things and switch to a high raw

diet) but it takes conscious effort and motivation. I had serious

motivation because of my T2 diabetic genotype but someone without

prominent health issues might not experience sufficient motivation to

shift their diet (and that's okay. What we eat is always a personal

choice!)

If you're interested in knowing more about why I, personally, feel

that a low-fat raw diet is healthier, read " The 80-10-10 Diet " by Dr.

Graham. That's the best book out there for learning why high

fat is dangerous to your health (even when it's all good fats) and how

to eat lower fat. Dr. Graham has coached olympic athletes on the

80-10-10 raw vegan diet and stands by it as the optimal diet for the

human athlete.

> I usually make more salads and soups and can't wait to

> spruce up my soups and salads with sprouts. And smoothies too!

I haven't put sprouts in my smoothies but that's mainly because I LOVE

the taste of sprouts so much that I usually don't want to mix them up

with things where their delicate flavors might get lost. That's why I

usually just make " mono-snacks " of my sprouts. (Except the really

spicy ones like mustard and radish which I happily use to flavor other

things since it takes an awful lot of flavor to " lose " the taste of

those sprouts! LOL)

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

Adding another view to this conversation, while I do agree with much of what

the 80/10/10 diet teaches, I also have come to believe that it is not a

one-size-fits-all concept. The brain needs fat to function. For some folks

80/10/10 works well, and is enough fat. For some, it is not. I didn't feel

all that healthy when I followed it. I've met others online who also did

not. (I do believe that fat should not be consumed at the rate that it

appears many raw foodists might be; if one looks at most gourmet recipes,

they are riddled with way too much fat for an every day diet. My fat intake

is generally below 20%.)

I lost some respect for Dr Graham, when I heard that on his forums, any

comments made that showed the diet was not working, were promptly removed.

I am a firm believer that all sides should be made available, so folks can

make in informed decision for themselves. Apparently Dr Graham does not.

Thia

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Sparrow R <sparrowrose@...>wrote:

>

> If you're interested in knowing more about why I, personally, feel

> that a low-fat raw diet is healthier, read " The 80-10-10 Diet " by Dr.

> Graham. That's the best book out there for learning why high

> fat is dangerous to your health (even when it's all good fats) and how

> to eat lower fat. Dr. Graham has coached olympic athletes on the

> 80-10-10 raw vegan diet and stands by it as the optimal diet for the

> human athlete.

>

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Quick & Easy Vegan Recipes

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[Guest guest]

Sorry for the typo, that should be: so folks can make *an* informed

decision for themselves.

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Thia (aka " pixx " ) <pixxley@...> wrote:

> Adding another view to this conversation, while I do agree with much of

> what the 80/10/10 diet teaches, I also have come to believe that it is not a

> one-size-fits-all concept. The brain needs fat to function. For some folks

> 80/10/10 works well, and is enough fat. For some, it is not. I didn't feel

> all that healthy when I followed it. I've met others online who also did

> not. (I do believe that fat should not be consumed at the rate that it

> appears many raw foodists might be; if one looks at most gourmet recipes,

> they are riddled with way too much fat for an every day diet. My fat intake

> is generally below 20%.)

>

> I lost some respect for Dr Graham, when I heard that on his forums, any

> comments made that showed the diet was not working, were promptly removed.

> I am a firm believer that all sides should be made available, so folks can

> make in informed decision for themselves. Apparently Dr Graham does not.

>

>

> Thia

>

>

>

> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Sparrow R <sparrowrose@...>wrote:

>

>>

>> If you're interested in knowing more about why I, personally, feel

>> that a low-fat raw diet is healthier, read " The 80-10-10 Diet " by Dr.

>> Graham. That's the best book out there for learning why high

>> fat is dangerous to your health (even when it's all good fats) and how

>> to eat lower fat. Dr. Graham has coached olympic athletes on the

>> 80-10-10 raw vegan diet and stands by it as the optimal diet for the

>> human athlete.

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 6/5/09, Thia (aka " pixx " ) <pixxley@...> wrote:

>

> (I do believe that fat should not be consumed at the rate that it

> appears many raw foodists might be; if one looks at most gourmet recipes,

> they are riddled with way too much fat for an every day diet. My fat intake

> is generally below 20%.)

I agree with you that people need some fat. My fat intake varies from

day to day and I've never kept records to see a weekly or monthly

average. I do sometimes eat avocados, but no more than one per day.

Ditto for nuts - some but limited quantities.

I felt really sluggish on a more typical raw food diet and when I put

what I was eating into my software, I was at 70% fat by calories!

Ouch! No wonder I felt sluggish!

Caveat Voror.

> I lost some respect for Dr Graham, when I heard that on his forums, any

> comments made that showed the diet was not working, were promptly removed.

I wasn't aware of that. I agree: that's very disturbing.

Sparrow (who is not a Dr. Graham disciple but finds him the most

easily obtained introduction to ideas about fat intake. I tend to

spend more time with Frederic Patenaude's information, where nuts and

avocados are still limited, but not " evil. " )

[Guest guest]

Avocado spreaded instead of mayo - sublime.

>

> (I do believe that fat should not be consumed at the rate that it

> appears many raw foodists might be; if one looks at most gourmet recipes,

> they are riddled with way too much fat for an every day diet. My fat intake

> is generally below 20%.)

I agree with you that people need some fat. My fat intake varies from

day to day and I've never kept records to see a weekly or monthly

average. I do sometimes eat avocados, but no more than one per day.

Ditto for nuts - some but limited quantities.

I felt really sluggish on a more typical raw food diet and when I put

what I was eating into my software, I was at 70% fat by calories!

Ouch! No wonder I felt sluggish!

Caveat Voror.

> I lost some respect for Dr Graham, when I heard that on his forums, any

> comments made that showed the diet was not working, were promptly removed.

I wasn't aware of that. I agree: that's very disturbing.

Sparrow (who is not a Dr. Graham disciple but finds him the most

easily obtained introduction to ideas about fat intake. I tend to

spend more time with Frederic Patenaude's information, where nuts and

avocados are still limited, but not " evil. " )

[Guest guest]

On 6/5/09, Barbara Reilley <creativeplane1@...> wrote:

>

> Avocado spreaded instead of mayo - sublime.

Spreaded on what?

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

Oh, I agree! I got that idea over a decade ago, when visiting a then local

Latin market and restaurant. No one spoke any English. I decided to be

adventurous, and just point. LOL. (Not so sure I'd even consider that

today!) Well, I ended up with the most wonderful sub sandwich, that had

avocado where one would normally expect mayo. My, my, it was fantastic. I

have used that idea many times since! Not much now, though-I rarely ever

eat a traditional sandwich these days & certainly not at home where I'd make

it myself. But a yummy idea, all the same.

:~)

Thia

Barbara Reilley <creativeplane1@...> wrote:

>

>

> Avocado spreaded instead of mayo - sublime.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ahh, any place one would use mayo. In the case of an all raw diet-- try it

in " mock tuna " , or lettuce wraps.

Of course, I can't guarantee that I am thinking along the lines Barbra was

meaning- but that's how I see it.

:~)

Thia

>

> Avocado spreaded instead of mayo - sublime.

> Spreaded on what?

>

> Sparrow

>

>

>

>

>

--

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Quick & Easy Vegan Recipes

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[Guest guest]

On 6/6/09, Thia (aka " pixx " ) <pixxley@...> wrote:

>

> Ahh, any place one would use mayo. In the case of an all raw diet-- try it

> in " mock tuna " , or lettuce wraps.

I don't do mock tuna because it's made from nuts and that makes it

outside my low-fat program.

I make a sort of avocado-basil " mayonnaise " that I use to make slaw

with a base of purple cabbage and other things thrown in (or not,

depends on what I have on hand.)

Here's the recipe for that. It, plus half a head of purple cabbage

make a really awesome slaw.

Avocado Mayonnaise

Ingredients:

1 tomato

1/2 lemon, juiced

1 handful basil leaves (fresh)

1 avocado

1 tablespoon spirulina (can substitute kelp powder, dulse powder,

powdered celery, sea salt, etc.)

Directions:

Blend tomato first with lemon juice and basil leaves. Add in avocado

and any other ingredients and blend until smooth. Should be fairly

thick. Mix with half a head of cabbage, shredded, for slaw.

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

I've seen it with carrot pulp, but never tried it. (I never liked regular

tuna.) Might be worth a go for you?

Thia

Sparrow R wrote:

>

> I don't do mock tuna because it's made from nuts and that makes it

> outside my low-fat program.

>

>

> On 6/6/09, Thia wrote:

> >

> > Ahh, any place one would use mayo. In the case of an all raw diet-- try

> it

> > in " mock tuna " , or lettuce wraps.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've seen it with carrot pulp, but never tried it. (I never liked regular

tuna.) Might be worth a go for you?

Thia

Sparrow R wrote:

>

> I don't do mock tuna because it's made from nuts and that makes it

> outside my low-fat program.

>

>

> On 6/6/09, Thia wrote:

> >

> > Ahh, any place one would use mayo. In the case of an all raw diet-- try

> it

> > in " mock tuna " , or lettuce wraps.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 6/6/09, Thia (aka " pixx " ) <pixxley@...> wrote:

>

> I've seen it with carrot pulp, but never tried it. (I never liked regular

> tuna.) Might be worth a go for you?

I don't use a juicer (I try to stick with whole foods. Carrot juice is

especially problematic.) other than a citrus juicer, so no access to

carrot pulp. Thanks anyway.

Sparrow

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In a message dated 7/22/2009 11:19:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jaime_thompson06@... writes:

My name is , I live in Va Beach, Va

Welcome . I'm Holly and I'm also in Va Beach. Have we met, b/c your

name does sound familiar? I'm mom to almost 3 1/2 yr old . If we

haven't met, let's plan to do so!

Holly

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>Holly,

Yes, we have met! At Botanical Gardens...I was with Lettie Calhoun. I would

love to get together sometime....

>

> In a message dated 7/22/2009 11:19:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> jaime_thompson06@... writes:

>

> My name is , I live in Va Beach, Va

>

>

> Welcome . I'm Holly and I'm also in Va Beach. Have we met, b/c your

> name does sound familiar? I'm mom to almost 3 1/2 yr old . If we

> haven't met, let's plan to do so!

>

> Holly

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>

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Hi, --welcome! That's pretty common to get to the docs and go blank. The

best way to deal with that is to not explain yourself. There is nothing you can

say that will convince them of anything. Just say you're passing on them,

thanks, you're just not comfortable with them. Keep repeating yourself and

they'll get tired of repeating themselves.

Remember, YOU hire THEM. It is not their place to interrogate you any more than

a salesperson should be allowed to grill you about not buying their product.

Good luck finding a doc you like!

Winnie

introduction

Vaccinations

> Hi,

> My name is , I live in Va Beach, Va. I have a 2

> year old girl, and a 4 month old girl. Neither one has been

> vaccinated, and i would like to keep it that way. I have done a

> little bit of research on vaccinations, but it seems like when I

> go see the pediatrician, my mind goes blank. By the way, if

> anyone knows of any Dr.'s in Va Bch that are not pro vacc.

> please let me know.... I have not been able to find one. I have

> a lot of questions, and I hope to be able to get lots of

> information from this group so that I can defend my decision not

> to vaccinate and hopefully persuade others as well.

>

>

>

>

>

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>Thank you Winnie for the good advice!

> Hi, --welcome! That's pretty common to get to the docs and go blank. The

best way to deal with that is to not explain yourself. There is nothing you can

say that will convince them of anything. Just say you're passing on them,

thanks, you're just not comfortable with them. Keep repeating yourself and

they'll get tired of repeating themselves.

>

> Remember, YOU hire THEM. It is not their place to interrogate you any more

than a salesperson should be allowed to grill you about not buying their

product. Good luck finding a doc you like!

>

> Winnie

>

> introduction

> Vaccinations

>

> > Hi,

> > My name is , I live in Va Beach, Va. I have a 2

> > year old girl, and a 4 month old girl. Neither one has been

> > vaccinated, and i would like to keep it that way. I have done a

> > little bit of research on vaccinations, but it seems like when I

> > go see the pediatrician, my mind goes blank. By the way, if

> > anyone knows of any Dr.'s in Va Bch that are not pro vacc.

> > please let me know.... I have not been able to find one. I have

> > a lot of questions, and I hope to be able to get lots of

> > information from this group so that I can defend my decision not

> > to vaccinate and hopefully persuade others as well.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Welcome, Loreta! Good for you to figure out what happened with your son, despite the lack of help from your docs.

FYI--that 5th DTaP shot was not even required for school under CA law if the 4th one was given after the 4th birthday. Same for the polio vaccine. Only 3 are required if the 3rd is given after the 4th birthday: (http://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/immunize/Documents/ParentGuide.pdf)

But the peds don't tell you that. They have their own recommended schedule from the CDC, which does NOT necessarily coincide with the various state laws.

Anyway, it's good to have to here!

Winnie

introductionVaccinations > Hello,> > Oh..where to start..First of all, I'm so glad I found this group > and joined it! It's so overwhelming to read all the posts about > the shots (flu and regular) and about their danger. > > I have 2 kids (boy 4.5 years and girl 3 years). They both have > been on track with their vaccines, but I was always hesitant > vaccinating them. I never felt good about putting so much stuff > into their little bodies, but what's done is done. At least they > didn't have any sever reactions to the shots - thank God. > However, recently (mid July), my son received the 5th DTaP shot > and exactly a month later all his body was covered in rash. What > the doc called - erythema multiforme. Of course, I panicked. I > first didn't associate it with the shot - I didn't think the > reaction could have happened a month later. So I was going crazy > trying to figure out what caused that reaction. Neither of my > kids have been allergic to anything. So I tried to first > eliminate all the most allergic foods, like wheat, eggs, > chocolate. Nothing helped. Then I stopped giving flouride, > coinsidently, it helped for several days, but the amount of rash > came back. And then it clicked-could it have been the DTaP. The > ped, of course, denied it. I started researching and apparently > Pertussis shot can give this type of rash. I took him to the > allergist as well and she said that this type of rash is viral > and usually doesn't come back. It could be food, but most likely > viral. So what else can give a viral reaction to a healthy > child, I thought...-a vaccine! So..after this experience and > after reading a lot more about shots than I read before, I and > my husband decided not to vaccinate our kids anymore.> > We live in CA and I know that we can get a waiver before > registering for Kindergarten. I just haven't researched yet if > we can get a waiver even though our kids have had their share of > vaccines already. I'll have to find this out.> > I'm lucky my current pediatrician is not pushing the flu shots > and she's spacing out as much as possible the regular shots. I > can't forgive the first ped who was dumping loads of shots into > my son. Being a new mom and not really knowing a lot, I was > following the rules until one time... My son had croup for the > first time (when he was 3) and the ped prescribed > steroids...That was it-I said, no more visits to this > pediatrician and I managed to cure my son's croup with home > remedies that I looked up online. > > So..this is my story and I'm looking forward to reading all the > information about the danger of vaccines and spreading the word > out to my friends.> > Thank you and happy to be part of this Group!> > Loreta> >

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Welcome, Meghan! It is smart of you to have been cautious about vaccines from the start. That's more than I was, and a lot of us fully vaccinated our babies without question.

There is so much info, you are right. One of the most important pieces of info to get out there is that there are exemptions for school. You don't have be a radical non-vaxer to appreciate knowing that. Mentioning that wherever you go is a great way to start being an activist. I drop the fact randomly to strangers and I've never been slapped yet. Most people are shocked and grateful to learn it.

Anyway, glad to have you here!

Your neighbor from CT,

Winnie IntroductionVaccinations > Hello All,> > My name is Meghan and I have just become a part of this group. > I have two children (so far) who I have selectively vaccinated, > unfortunately. I have stopped vaccinating them and made the > decision not to vaccinate at all, but have fears of the damage > that may have been done by the few they have received.> I am grateful for the wealth of information available here, as I > often run into people that think I have no basis for my decision > not to vaccinate. I would love to become an activist against > vaccines, just not sure where to start!> I look forward to learning and sharing with you all.> > Meghan> Massachusetts> >