Introduction

April 6, 2008

If this is indeed true, then I was lied to (yet, again, what a surprise!)

by an allopathic doc this last December. I had my son in to see an allopath

for the first time in his life because he had inhaled a piece of pistachio

nut into his bronchial tubes that had to be extracted via a scope and

suction under general anesthesia. During his follow-up after the surgery,

the ped, having known my stance on vaxing since I first took my son to see

her a day after he inhaled the nut, urged me to get " Just the DTaP, if

nothing else " . I refused. She continued to tell me that if there was some

component of the DTaP that I was uncomfortable with, that her office stocked

the single vaccines and she could give one at a time over several visits,

and leave any of the components out that I didn't want... she also stated

that, if nothing else, I should consider Tetanus. I refused again, of

course, thanked her for (finally, a month later -- prior to seeing her I was

treated like a paranoid parent that didn't know what I was talking about)

getting my child the medical attention he needed and left.

I wasn't surprised that she had offered single vaccines, as I had taken my

child to that particular office for his acute problem after being directed

there by a holistic practitioner. That particular practice has a lot of

selective-vax/no-vax patients, so my holistic practitioner thought I'd be

hounded less there for my decisions than with most doctors. My reasoning

was since they deal with selective-vax patients that they have a lot of the

single-dose versions on-hand that most other ped's don't stock.

So, was she (the doc) lying? If I had agreed to, for instance JUST Tetanus,

and signed the " waiver " JUST for Tetanus, would my son have gotten other

crap too? Hm... medical malpractice if I've ever heard of it!!

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

>

> >

> >Secondly, if you are going to continue to selectively vax (I personally

> >don't vax at all), you should know that you CAN request that the cocktail

> >shots such as DTaP be split up and given to your son in single doses each

> >(Also request that they be given from single-dose vials, to avoid some of

> >the crap, like heavy metal preservatives, that are in all multi-dose

vials

> >of vaccine. Some vaccines are not preservative-free even in the single

dose

> >vial though.). For instance, you can get JUST Pertussis by itself, JUST

> >Dyptheria by itself, and JUST Tetanus by itself.

>

> No, you cannot

> Tetanus always comes with diphtheria and has lots of mercury

> and I don't think they even make a pertussis single.

April 6, 2008

Some years back there was a tetanus only vaccine available. I temporarily lost

my mind and let myself be talked into the tetanus for my kids. At that time

there were two companies who made it: Wyeth (with some other name on it, too)

and I can't remember the other at the moment. So, they're back to not making it

available separately again?

Winnie

Re: Introduction

Vaccinations

>

> >

> >Secondly, if you are going to continue to selectively vax (I

> personally>don't vax at all), you should know that you CAN

> request that the cocktail

> >shots such as DTaP be split up and given to your son in single

> doses each

> >(Also request that they be given from single-dose vials, to

> avoid some of

> >the crap, like heavy metal preservatives, that are in all multi-

> dose vials

> >of vaccine. Some vaccines are not preservative-free even in the

> single dose

> >vial though.). For instance, you can get JUST Pertussis by

> itself, JUST

> >Dyptheria by itself, and JUST Tetanus by itself.

>

> No, you cannot

> Tetanus always comes with diphtheria and has lots of mercury

> and I don't think they even make a pertussis single.

>

> >Most ped's offices don't

> >keep them in stock but they can all order them in. I HIGHLY

> recommend that

> >you research each vaccine and each disease they are purported

> to prevent

> >before you continue with any vaccinations though. Knowledge is

> power.

>

> Exactly

> ALL vaccines are dangers in singles or combos

> I have seen reactions and deaths from singles or combos, delayed

> or

> on schedule.

>

> The key is to learn about the diseases so you don't have so much

> fear

> about them

> Fear is programmed into us to sell vaccine

> Sheri

>

April 6, 2008

I would have thought they'd have to have a tetanus only vaccine. Otherwise,

every time someone gets a dog bite or scratch, they would have to give the DTaP.

It is not like they tell you, when offering a tetanus shot, you are also being

jabbed with the others.

Wouldn't surprise me though. Combining the vaccines is just their way of

covering up exactly which one caused damage. One of the many ways they

manipulate us.

Fieldman

Re: Introduction

Some years back there was a tetanus only vaccine available. I temporarily lost

my mind and let myself be talked into the tetanus for my kids. At that time

there were two companies who made it: Wyeth (with some other name on it, too)

and I can't remember the other at the moment. So, they're back to not making it

available separately again?

Winnie

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April 6, 2008

When the medics give a tetanus shot in response to an injury, it is actually

the tetanus immunoglobulin rather than the tetanus toxoid that is given with

the D & P. This gives you the idea: http://www.nmhct.nhs

UK/pharmacy/protocol-tetanus.HTML <groan>

I think it is possible to get the tetanus toxoid vaccine on its own, from

what I have read. But they consider that it has a better efficacy when

mixed with the diphtheria toxoid so it is combined with that - iirc....

Sue x

-- Re: Introduction

I would have thought they'd have to have a tetanus only vaccine. Otherwise,

every time someone gets a dog bite or scratch, they would have to give the

DTaP. It is not like they tell you, when offering a tetanus shot, you are

also being jabbed with the others.

Wouldn't surprise me though. Combining the vaccines is just their way of

covering up exactly which one caused damage. One of the many ways they

manipulate us.

Fieldman

April 6, 2008

Sue,

I've heard that if you have not had a tetanus vaccine, that it can be harmful to

get the tetanus immunoglobulin. Is that true?

Winnie

Re: Introduction

>

> I would have thought they'd have to have a tetanus only vaccine.

> Otherwise,

> every time someone gets a dog bite or scratch, they would have

> to give the

> DTaP. It is not like they tell you, when offering a tetanus

> shot, you are

> also being jabbed with the others.

>

> Wouldn't surprise me though. Combining the vaccines is just

> their way of

> covering up exactly which one caused damage. One of the many

> ways they

> manipulate us.

>

> Fieldman

>

April 7, 2008

Yup, you were lied to. There is no pertussis-only vaccine available. In

fact, pertussis only comes in DTaP-like combo drugs.

There is a tetanus-only vaccine that is separate from the one that

they'll give you in the ER if you have a wound. It's relatively new.

There are diphtheria and tetanus vaccines, called Td and DT. Both

contain thimerosal.

http://www.novaccine.com/specific-vaccines/vaccine.asp?v_id=37

~Robyn

Roberg wrote:

>

> If this is indeed true, then I was lied to (yet, again, what a surprise!)

> by an allopathic doc this last December. I had my son in to see an

> allopath

> for the first time in his life because he had inhaled a piece of pistachio

> nut into his bronchial tubes that had to be extracted via a scope and

> suction under general anesthesia. During his follow-up after the surgery,

> the ped, having known my stance on vaxing since I first took my son to see

> her a day after he inhaled the nut, urged me to get " Just the DTaP, if

> nothing else " . I refused. She continued to tell me that if there was some

> component of the DTaP that I was uncomfortable with, that her office

> stocked

> the single vaccines and she could give one at a time over several visits,

> and leave any of the components out that I didn't want... she also stated

> that, if nothing else, I should consider Tetanus. I refused again, of

> course, thanked her for (finally, a month later -- prior to seeing her

> I was

> treated like a paranoid parent that didn't know what I was talking about)

> getting my child the medical attention he needed and left.

>

> I wasn't surprised that she had offered single vaccines, as I had taken my

> child to that particular office for his acute problem after being directed

> there by a holistic practitioner. That particular practice has a lot of

> selective-vax/no-vax patients, so my holistic practitioner thought I'd be

> hounded less there for my decisions than with most doctors. My reasoning

> was since they deal with selective-vax patients that they have a lot

> of the

> single-dose versions on-hand that most other ped's don't stock.

>

> So, was she (the doc) lying? If I had agreed to, for instance JUST

> Tetanus,

> and signed the " waiver " JUST for Tetanus, would my son have gotten other

> crap too? Hm... medical malpractice if I've ever heard of it!!

>

> On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...

> <mailto:vaccineinfo%40tesco.net>> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >Secondly, if you are going to continue to selectively vax (I personally

> > >don't vax at all), you should know that you CAN request that the

> cocktail

>

> > >shots such as DTaP be split up and given to your son in single

> doses each

>

> > >(Also request that they be given from single-dose vials, to avoid

> some of

>

> > >the crap, like heavy metal preservatives, that are in all multi-dose

> vials

> > >of vaccine. Some vaccines are not preservative-free even in the single

> dose

> > >vial though.). For instance, you can get JUST Pertussis by itself, JUST

> > >Dyptheria by itself, and JUST Tetanus by itself.

> >

> > No, you cannot

> > Tetanus always comes with diphtheria and has lots of mercury

> > and I don't think they even make a pertussis single.

>

April 8, 2008

At 12:22 AM 4/7/2008, you wrote:

>Some years back there was a tetanus only vaccine

>available. I temporarily lost my mind and let

>myself be talked into the tetanus for my kids.

>At that time there were two companies who made

>it: Wyeth (with some other name on it, too) and

>I can't remember the other at the moment. So,

>they're back to not making it available separately again?

>

>Winnie

Hi Winnie,

Tetanus toxoid is available separate but now one

stocks it...............you could demand it, I

guess...........they give now combined with

diphtheria - different amounts for below 7 years

old & above 7 years old. - but any tetanus toxoid

in single or combined with diphtheria is highly

reactive and does nothing to prevent

tetanus. They want to give as many vaxs as can while they have you

http://www.vaccineshoppe.com/US_PDF/800-83_4258.pdf

" It is advisable to use DT (For Pediatric Use –

under 7 years of age) or Td (For Adult Use – 7 years of age and older) in wound

prophylaxis instead of tetanus toxoid alone in

order to maintain adequate levels of diphtheria immunity.1 "

See my dangers page

http://www.wellwithin1.com/tetanus.htm

--------------------------------------------------------

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

Vaccines -

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April 8, 2008

my thoughts exactly

Sheri

At 12:51 AM 4/7/2008, you wrote:

>Wouldn't surprise me though. Combining the vaccines is just their

>way of covering up exactly which one caused damage. One of the many

>ways they manipulate us.

>

> Fieldman

>

> Re: Introduction

>

> Some years back there was a tetanus only vaccine available. I

> temporarily lost my mind and let myself be talked into the tetanus

> for my kids. At that time there were two companies who made it:

> Wyeth (with some other name on it, too) and I can't remember the

> other at the moment. So, they're back to not making it available

> separately again?

>

> Winnie

April 8, 2008

Thanks, Sheri. I was just curious--no intentions of demanding it from my end. At

the time I asked for it separately, the ped said they it wasn't available. I

corrected him, and told him Wyeth made it. When it came in, it was from

Connaught, so I guess he knew all along he could order it. I refused it because

I was told by a medical malpractice attorney to stay away from Connaught because

they were sued constantly over poor quality control. Who would think you'd have

to worry about the company's QC records along with all the other dangers of

vaccines?

Never again.

Winnie

Re: Introduction

Vaccinations

> At 12:22 AM 4/7/2008, you wrote:

> >Some years back there was a tetanus only vaccine

> >available. I temporarily lost my mind and let

> >myself be talked into the tetanus for my kids.

> >At that time there were two companies who made

> >it: Wyeth (with some other name on it, too) and

> >I can't remember the other at the moment. So,

> >they're back to not making it available separately again?

> >

> >Winnie

>

> Hi Winnie,

> Tetanus toxoid is available separate but now one

> stocks it...............you could demand it, I

> guess...........they give now combined with

> diphtheria - different amounts for below 7 years

> old & above 7 years old. - but any tetanus toxoid

> in single or combined with diphtheria is highly

> reactive and does nothing to prevent

> tetanus. They want to give as many vaxs as can while they have you

>

> http://www.vaccineshoppe.com/US_PDF/800-83_4258.pdf

> " It is advisable to use DT (For Pediatric Use –

> under 7 years of age) or Td (For Adult Use – 7 years of age and

> older) in wound

> prophylaxis instead of tetanus toxoid alone in

> order to maintain adequate levels of diphtheria immunity.1 "

>

> See my dangers page

> http://www.wellwithin1.com/tetanus.htm

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> Vaccines -

> http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine

> Dangers & Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start

> April 18

>

April 8, 2008

No, not for that reason

But the tetanus immune globulin is a pooled blood product of

vaccinated individuals

Sheri

>Sue,

>

>I've heard that if you have not had a tetanus vaccine, that it can

>be harmful to get the tetanus immunoglobulin. Is that true?

>

>Winnie

April 8, 2008

Ugh.

Re: Introduction

Vaccinations

> No, not for that reason

>

> But the tetanus immune globulin is a pooled blood product of

> vaccinated individuals

> Sheri

>

> >Sue,

> >

> >I've heard that if you have not had a tetanus vaccine, that it

> can

> >be harmful to get the tetanus immunoglobulin. Is that true?

> >

> >Winnie

>

April 24, 2008

Hi, Kathy. Thanks for your story. Here are some things to consider, although you

didn't ask so feel free to ignore:

If you're fully vaccinated daughter got whooping cough, you have first hand

experience with total vaccine failure. All of your family who got it pulled

through. I'm sure it was very scary, but you're all fine.What benefit would you

get from the vaccine that you don't already have? (and I don't think they make

the pertussis vaccine by itself).

My oldest two sons were given the original DPT. I was told all vaccines were

perfectly safe. Then the DTaP came along and I was told it was safer. What the

heck? How can it be safer than " perfectly safe? "

Something to consider: SIDS occurs around when DTaP is given, no known cause. Is

it a coincidence? Read A Shot in the Dark: Why the P in the DPT vaccination may

be hazardous to your child's health. It's an eye-opener, even if they don't use

the whole-cell pertussis vaccine any more. The acellular pertussis one might not

be any better.

Winnie

Introduction

Vaccinations

> I was introduced to your group through a friend.

>

> I'm so happy! I have not felt confident enough in what my

> husband and I

> have been learning over the past 10 years to become a true

> advocate of

> not vaccinating. I see that this group will provide us with lots

> of good

> information on the topic.

>

> It's what we need at our house.

>

> Our 10* year History (Children are 10, 9, 5, 4, 1) *Vaccination

> Interest corresponds to child-bearing stage.

>

> (1997)10yr old - Fully Vaccinated. Ignorance is bliss

> (1999) 9 yr old - Vaccinated to before 4yr booster

> When she was 13 months we moved next to a family with an

> autistic

> son. The mother felt like the autism was triggered with the 18mo

> MMR

> vaccine. FIRST awareness on our part that maybe vaccines needed

> to be

> researched, but I vaccinated anyway. At the time we were

> residents of

> Arkansas. My daughter was started on a chicken pox vaccine and

> then

> stopped. When I questioned the doctor, he explained that the

> vaccine had

> been stopped because they weren't sure of it's effectiveness.

> SECOND

> awareness of " Are vaccines good for us? " " Do the doctors know

> what they

> are doing? " (Side-not - My Texas friends tell me that the

> chicken pox

> vaccine was always part of the vaccination routine. In Arkansas

> they

> restarted it at some point. Not sure when.)

> Moved to Texas and was pregnant with my 3rd. The second

> friend that

> I made in Texas had an autistic daughter who she felt like was

> autistic

> as a result of the 18 mo MMR vaccination. THIRD awareness - Too

> coincidental, we decided to start reading. Tried asking at the

> doctors'

> offices, but that lead no where. Decided that we would delay the

> process.(2002) 5 yr old - New born vaccinations at hospital

> Living in Texas, were told that we could not take our baby

> out of

> the hospital without the first round of vaccinations. Not true,

> but we

> didn't know that. Called the pediatrician for the 2 mo check and

> said

> that we weren't planning to continue the vaccinations. The nurse

> asked

> me why I would bother to go to the check-up. We didn't go

> (2004) 4yr old - No vaccinations

> Found a pediatrician who didn't believe in giving the

> Hepatitis

> vaccine, but then pushed everything else after we left the hospital.

> WHOOPING COUGH experience - at the time (early 2006). All the

> children

> contracted whopping cough. The oldest (fully vaccinated) and #3

> child

> seemed to react most severely to having it. Of course, the first

> thought

> was " Did we vaccinate all of them? Oh no, now what! " The

> children, we

> believe, contracted the disease at the clinic that we visited.

> We

> quarantined ourselves for 6 weeks and everyone did fine. We

> didn't

> quarantined ourselves soon enough, however. It was 2 weeks

> before we

> figured out that we had whooping cough. One child that we had

> been in

> contact with contracted it.

> (2007) 1 yr old - No vaccinations

> Been considering the whooping cough vaccine. We live in the

> Austin

> area. We know that the outbreaks are under-reported and reported

> late do

> to the experience that we had with our other four children.

> Asked in 2

> different states at 2 different offices on availability of

> ordering the

> whooping cough vaccine by itself. Both offices have told me that

> the

> best thing for me to do is go to public health, they'll be able

> to do

> it. Of course, a dear friend, has strongly advised against it

> and

> watching this site for 24 hours, plus our previous experience

> has

> evaporated any lingering thoughts of pursuing that shot.

>

> That's our story. T

>

> hanks so much for the moderators and advocates on this list.

> I'll be

> more vocal as a result of what I learn.

>

> I'm very grateful.

>

> Kathy

>

May 9, 2008

Hi --

Welcome to the group. I'm and my two kids, 19 and 14, are partially

vaxed. My kids both had CP, my DD at less than a year old, so I never did

any research on that vax. Perhaps Sheri N. has something on CP vax not

being effective.

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On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Doula <doula@...>

wrote:

> Hello everyone,

>

> I am new to the group and thought I would say hello.

>

> My name is and I am a WAHM with 6 blessings ages 23, 26, 8, 7, 5

> and 3. We have covered I think the gambit of possibilities when it comes

> to

> vaccinations. From fully vaccinated to now no vaccinations. With a few

> delayed and selective tossed in for good measure.

>

> I look forward to meeting everyone and learning even more about

> vaccinations

> in the world today.

>

> I am looking for one piece of information maybe someone can point me in the

> right direction. I need a report on how the chicken pox vaccine does not

> work like the general public thinks it does, but I need it from a more

> mainstream point of view. I will tell you why. We have been attending pox

> parties and asked my DH's family if they did not want us around them this

> weekend as we might be infectious at this time. The emails I got back from

> some of them were " You can come my kids are vaccinated " . I know and you

> know the vax does not work so I am still torn if we should attend and

> possibly infect their children. The older of the kids are in their young

> teens all the way down to the baby who is just 11 months. (baby is

> non-vaxed) I would love to get the family some education on just this

> vaccine but they will not listen to just me. I need a study from a

> mainstream doctor/corporation so I might have a chance that they will

> listen. If you can help that would be great. I am on digest so I might be

> slow to respond :-)

>

> Thanks again,

>

May 9, 2008

Hi , welcome to our group!

My feeling on this is that if the parents are okay with you possibly

exposing their children to the pox, then you should just go over and have

fun with the family! What are the possiblities that can happen? 1.

Perhaps your children are not infected and not contagious; 2. If your kids

are infected, theirs may or may not become infected; 3. If their children

do end up infected, it will do two things... it will show them that vaccines

aren't as foolproof as they believe and possibly open their eyes to the

other vaccines, it will make their children truly immune to the pox for

life, and it's a mild childhood disease that is likely not going to do more

than cause them a little discomfort in the form of itching for a few days.

I say you've been the responsible one and done your part by telling them

truthfully that your children may be infected and you left it up to them to

call the shots.... they called 'em, so go with it!

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Doula <doula@...>

wrote:

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I am new to the group and thought I would say hello.

>

> My name is and I am a WAHM with 6 blessings ages 23, 26, 8, 7, 5

> and 3. We have covered I think the gambit of possibilities when it comes

to

> vaccinations. From fully vaccinated to now no vaccinations. With a few

> delayed and selective tossed in for good measure.

>

> I look forward to meeting everyone and learning even more about

vaccinations

> in the world today.

>

> I am looking for one piece of information maybe someone can point me in

the