Introduction

[Guest guest]

Hi Tamara --

Welcome to the group. I'm . I live in NY with my DH and my 2 patially

vaxed kids -- wish I'd been as educated as you!

I look forward to getting to know you.

Health & blessings,

CREATING HEALTHIER LIVES...

one family at a time!

http://www.Shaklee.net/ExcitingHealth

1-866-312-8064

[Guest guest]

Welcome Tamara.

Do you mean the theory that viruses don't exist? My jury is still out on

that. : ) I think there is much that the world of science claims to know

but doesn't. I see too many unknowns when it comes to illnesses, bacteria,

viruses, etc.

Kay P.

introduction

> Hi,

> I am Tamara from Austria.I have a 3 months old baby and have decided

> not to vaccinate it at all.I read a lots of books about vaccine

> hazards and made up my decision.

> What do you all think about the Theory of the " non exixting viruses " ?

>

> regards

> Tamara

[Guest guest]

At 11:04 2006-03-08 +0000, you (animalsfreee <animalsfreee@...>)

wrote:

>Hi,

>I am Tamara from Austria.I have a 3 months old baby and have decided

>not to vaccinate it at all.I read a lots of books about vaccine

>hazards and made up my decision.

>What do you all think about the Theory of the " non exixting viruses " ?

>

>regards

>Tamara

Hello Tamara,

Actually, it's not a theory of " non-existing " viruses,

since viruses do exist. Only, disease-causing such don't.

Explained by Stefan Lanka (in English) at

http://www.sickofdoctors.addr.com/articles/lanka_interview1.htm

(interview on " retroviruses " in 1998),

http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm

(article on viruses in general in 2001) and

http://rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/webstyle1/unite_info_251en.html

(long interview on 27.10.2005).

I'm certain he's right. Some others are saying the same,

not least Ryke Geerd Hamer, see http://www.newmedicine.ca/.

Rolf M.

[Guest guest]

Hi Rolf,

Thank you very much for the wonderful sites.I " studied " them 2 hrs.

I have a little baby and i am concerned it would get some " viruses " like

Measles,Wh.Cough and rubella etc....

Why non vaccinated healthy children get some of the diseases,that only develop

in a stressed body?

I have a friend with 3 children (all not vaccinated,raw food eaters) and all

of them had Varicella and measles. Thats something i cannot understand after all

the theories i know....

Is there something developed by " somebody " that cause these " child-diseases "

no matter they have been vaccinated or not?

I know also about the diseases caused from a distance....Have you heard of

it?

Tamara

Rolf Martens <rolf.martens@...> schrieb:

At 11:04 2006-03-08 +0000, you (animalsfreee <animalsfreee@...>)

wrote:

>Hi,

>I am Tamara from Austria.I have a 3 months old baby and have decided

>not to vaccinate it at all.I read a lots of books about vaccine

>hazards and made up my decision.

>What do you all think about the Theory of the " non exixting viruses " ?

>

>regards

>Tamara

Hello Tamara,

Actually, it's not a theory of " non-existing " viruses,

since viruses do exist. Only, disease-causing such don't.

Explained by Stefan Lanka (in English) at

http://www.sickofdoctors.addr.com/articles/lanka_interview1.htm

(interview on " retroviruses " in 1998),

http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm

(article on viruses in general in 2001) and

http://rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/webstyle1/unite_info_251en.html

(long interview on 27.10.2005).

I'm certain he's right. Some others are saying the same,

not least Ryke Geerd Hamer, see http://www.newmedicine.ca/.

Rolf M.

[Guest guest]

At 10:52 AM 3/9/2006 +0100, you wrote:

> Hi Rolf,

> Thank you very much for the wonderful sites.I " studied " them 2 hrs.

> I have a little baby and i am concerned it would get some " viruses " like

Measles,Wh.Cough and rubella etc....

> Why non vaccinated healthy children get some of the diseases,that only

develop in a stressed body?

> I have a friend with 3 children (all not vaccinated,raw food eaters) and

all of them had Varicella and measles. Thats something i cannot understand

after all the theories i know....

>

> Is there something developed by " somebody " that cause these

" child-diseases " no matter they have been vaccinated or not?

> I know also about the diseases caused from a distance....Have you heard

of it?

>

> Tamara

I'm not sure that we 'get' any virus.

I see varicella and measles type symptoms as a way the body 'cleans house'

so-to-speak.

In testing a virus might be present but maybe doing a job, not causing

something.

I don't know why it appears to spread.................they say its the

virus and it is contagious.

I have a feeling its something not known yet........an energy.

Sheri

>

>

>Rolf Martens <rolf.martens@...> schrieb:

> At 11:04 2006-03-08 +0000, you (animalsfreee <animalsfreee@...>)

>wrote:

>

>>Hi,

>>I am Tamara from Austria.I have a 3 months old baby and have decided

>>not to vaccinate it at all.I read a lots of books about vaccine

>>hazards and made up my decision.

>>What do you all think about the Theory of the " non exixting viruses " ?

>>

>>regards

>>Tamara

>

>

>Hello Tamara,

>

>Actually, it's not a theory of " non-existing " viruses,

>since viruses do exist. Only, disease-causing such don't.

>Explained by Stefan Lanka (in English) at

>http://www.sickofdoctors.addr.com/articles/lanka_interview1.htm

>(interview on " retroviruses " in 1998),

>http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm

>(article on viruses in general in 2001) and

>http://rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/webstyle1/unite_info_251en.html

>(long interview on 27.10.2005).

>I'm certain he's right. Some others are saying the same,

>not least Ryke Geerd Hamer, see http://www.newmedicine.ca/.

>

>Rolf M.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheri,

I read somewhere,the vaccines themselves cause the child diseases.

I must confess i am fully confused about these child diseases.

Any ideas?

http://www.deir.co.uk/en/ That is a site that shows how a distance energy

(developed by...) can harm us.

Sheri Nakken <snakken@...> schrieb:

At 10:52 AM 3/9/2006 +0100, you wrote:

> Hi Rolf,

> Thank you very much for the wonderful sites.I " studied " them 2 hrs.

> I have a little baby and i am concerned it would get some " viruses " like

Measles,Wh.Cough and rubella etc....

> Why non vaccinated healthy children get some of the diseases,that only

develop in a stressed body?

> I have a friend with 3 children (all not vaccinated,raw food eaters) and

all of them had Varicella and measles. Thats something i cannot understand

after all the theories i know....

>

> Is there something developed by " somebody " that cause these

" child-diseases " no matter they have been vaccinated or not?

> I know also about the diseases caused from a distance....Have you heard

of it?

>

> Tamara

I'm not sure that we 'get' any virus.

I see varicella and measles type symptoms as a way the body 'cleans house'

so-to-speak.

In testing a virus might be present but maybe doing a job, not causing

something.

I don't know why it appears to spread.................they say its the

virus and it is contagious.

I have a feeling its something not known yet........an energy.

Sheri

>

>

>Rolf Martens <rolf.martens@...> schrieb:

> At 11:04 2006-03-08 +0000, you (animalsfreee <animalsfreee@...>)

>wrote:

>

>>Hi,

>>I am Tamara from Austria.I have a 3 months old baby and have decided

>>not to vaccinate it at all.I read a lots of books about vaccine

>>hazards and made up my decision.

>>What do you all think about the Theory of the " non exixting viruses " ?

>>

>>regards

>>Tamara

>

>

>Hello Tamara,

>

>Actually, it's not a theory of " non-existing " viruses,

>since viruses do exist. Only, disease-causing such don't.

>Explained by Stefan Lanka (in English) at

>http://www.sickofdoctors.addr.com/articles/lanka_interview1.htm

>(interview on " retroviruses " in 1998),

>http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm

>(article on viruses in general in 2001) and

>http://rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/webstyle1/unite_info_251en.html

>(long interview on 27.10.2005).

>I'm certain he's right. Some others are saying the same,

>not least Ryke Geerd Hamer, see http://www.newmedicine.ca/.

>

>Rolf M.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not Sheri, but there is evidence that normal childhood illnesses (such

as measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, etc.) help strengthen the immune

system. These diseases have a purpose and aren't some horrible thing to be

feared. And there really aren't any truly, 100% " healthy " individuals. We

all inherit predispositions for disease from our ancestors. A strong vital

force can help overcome illnesses when they come our way.

As Sheri N. has stated before, illnesses aren't the enemy. They are

symptoms that the vital force is doing what it's supposed to (keeping the

body in balance). Symptoms are a result of that action. If a person gets

" stuck " with a particular illness or has a harder time dealing with strong

symptoms, there is always homeopathy to give the vital force the boost it

needs to complete the job.

I'll repost something I saved from Sheri N. about the necessity of childhood

illnesses.

Kay P.

RE: Re: introduction

> Hi Sheri,

> I read somewhere,the vaccines themselves cause the child diseases.

> I must confess i am fully confused about these child diseases.

> Any ideas?

> http://www.deir.co.uk/en/ That is a site that shows how a distance

> energy (developed by...) can harm us.

>

> Sheri Nakken <snakken@...> schrieb:

> At 10:52 AM 3/9/2006 +0100, you wrote:

>> Hi Rolf,

>> Thank you very much for the wonderful sites.I " studied " them 2 hrs.

>> I have a little baby and i am concerned it would get some " viruses " like

> Measles,Wh.Cough and rubella etc....

>> Why non vaccinated healthy children get some of the diseases,that only

> develop in a stressed body?

>> I have a friend with 3 children (all not vaccinated,raw food eaters) and

> all of them had Varicella and measles. Thats something i cannot understand

> after all the theories i know....

>>

>> Is there something developed by " somebody " that cause these

> " child-diseases " no matter they have been vaccinated or not?

>> I know also about the diseases caused from a distance....Have you heard

> of it?

>>

>> Tamara

>

> I'm not sure that we 'get' any virus.

> I see varicella and measles type symptoms as a way the body 'cleans house'

> so-to-speak.

> In testing a virus might be present but maybe doing a job, not causing

> something.

> I don't know why it appears to spread.................they say its the

> virus and it is contagious.

> I have a feeling its something not known yet........an energy.

> Sheri

[Guest guest]

Hi Kay,

Thanx for the explanation.It is not new for me actually and i do not fear

myself,but for my baby.

I had measles as a child,my sister only the pox.We both were not vaccinated.

Does it mean that the other viruses ( polio,rubella,mumps) living in our

bodies were kept in balance at that time so we got only measles and pox?

Why an adult does not have childhood -illness-symptoms if his immune system

got worse,but other illnesses (like Cancer etc)? Why are these only in the

childhood?

What is the sense of the vaccine then?

Is it just to reduce the world population?

Awaiting your " repost " from Sheri and your answer.

Kay <kmp3@...> schrieb:

I'm not Sheri, but there is evidence that normal childhood illnesses (such

as measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, etc.) help strengthen the immune

system. These diseases have a purpose and aren't some horrible thing to be

feared. And there really aren't any truly, 100% " healthy " individuals. We

all inherit predispositions for disease from our ancestors. A strong vital

force can help overcome illnesses when they come our way.

As Sheri N. has stated before, illnesses aren't the enemy. They are

symptoms that the vital force is doing what it's supposed to (keeping the

body in balance). Symptoms are a result of that action. If a person gets

" stuck " with a particular illness or has a harder time dealing with strong

symptoms, there is always homeopathy to give the vital force the boost it

needs to complete the job.

I'll repost something I saved from Sheri N. about the necessity of childhood

illnesses.

Kay P.

RE: Re: introduction

> Hi Sheri,

> I read somewhere,the vaccines themselves cause the child diseases.

> I must confess i am fully confused about these child diseases.

> Any ideas?

> http://www.deir.co.uk/en/ That is a site that shows how a distance

> energy (developed by...) can harm us.

>

> Sheri Nakken <snakken@...> schrieb:

> At 10:52 AM 3/9/2006 +0100, you wrote:

>> Hi Rolf,

>> Thank you very much for the wonderful sites.I " studied " them 2 hrs.

>> I have a little baby and i am concerned it would get some " viruses " like

> Measles,Wh.Cough and rubella etc....

>> Why non vaccinated healthy children get some of the diseases,that only

> develop in a stressed body?

>> I have a friend with 3 children (all not vaccinated,raw food eaters) and

> all of them had Varicella and measles. Thats something i cannot understand

> after all the theories i know....

>>

>> Is there something developed by " somebody " that cause these

> " child-diseases " no matter they have been vaccinated or not?

>> I know also about the diseases caused from a distance....Have you heard

> of it?

>>

>> Tamara

>

> I'm not sure that we 'get' any virus.

> I see varicella and measles type symptoms as a way the body 'cleans house'

> so-to-speak.

> In testing a virus might be present but maybe doing a job, not causing

> something.

> I don't know why it appears to spread.................they say its the

> virus and it is contagious.

> I have a feeling its something not known yet........an energy.

> Sheri

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Just wanted to make a distinction... from what I ave learned, pertussis

(whooping cough) is a bacterial illness, not a virus, as stated in the

original post. Just an observation...correct me if I am wrong.

Beth

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

It's all about susceptibility, and that is very individual. 10 kids can be

exposed to the same illness, and maybe only 6 come down with it. Their

vital forces may have been strong enough to resist the illness, or perhaps

there are other things going on that know one really understands yet. We DO

know that not everyone comes down with the same things at the same time,

despite similar exposures.

I think childhood illness serve a purpose, and if someone doesn't get them

as a child and later gets them as an adult, the symptoms are usually more

severe. I personally think adults' vital forces are much more damaged than

a child's, and perhaps that's why adults often have such a rough time with

things like chicken pox, mumps, etc.

There IS no sense in vaccines, except to make some people and companies VERY

rich! It's an allopathic view that symptoms and diseases must be

erradicated. In their attempt to do so, they're causing more problems by

all the suppression, toxic chemicals and drugs that are being forced on

people. The human population is getting more and more ill as time goes on.

More chronic diseases are ravaging adults and children alike. Their plan

does NOT work! Only when getting to the root of the problem and allowing

the body's natural defense mechanisms to work, THAT'S where true health

lies.

It's so ironic that they make people think we can only be healthy if we take

drugs, get vaccinated, etc. And in our pursuit of health, most people go to

MDs who make a living from SICK people, and they are driven by the

pHARMaceutical companies who make their billions of dollars on keeping

people hooked on drugs.

It all seems so obvious, yet it's not. The pHARMaceutical companies have

great, effective marketing plans that make people fearful. Take away the

fear. Educate people about getting healthy and staying that way. But you

don't see THAT going on because who would make money off of healthy people??

Watch for the message, " Why Measles Might Be Necessary (and all the

childhood illnesses " I'm reposting it again to the group,as it didn't go

through the first time.

HTH

Kay P.

RE: Re: introduction

>

>

>> Hi Sheri,

>> I read somewhere,the vaccines themselves cause the child diseases.

>> I must confess i am fully confused about these child diseases.

>> Any ideas?

>> http://www.deir.co.uk/en/ That is a site that shows how a distance

>> energy (developed by...) can harm us.

>>

>> Sheri Nakken <snakken@...> schrieb:

>> At 10:52 AM 3/9/2006 +0100, you wrote:

>>> Hi Rolf,

>>> Thank you very much for the wonderful sites.I " studied " them 2 hrs.

>>> I have a little baby and i am concerned it would get some " viruses "

>>> like

>> Measles,Wh.Cough and rubella etc....

>>> Why non vaccinated healthy children get some of the diseases,that only

>> develop in a stressed body?

>>> I have a friend with 3 children (all not vaccinated,raw food eaters)

>>> and

>> all of them had Varicella and measles. Thats something i cannot

>> understand

>> after all the theories i know....

>>>

>>> Is there something developed by " somebody " that cause these

>> " child-diseases " no matter they have been vaccinated or not?

>>> I know also about the diseases caused from a distance....Have you

>>> heard

>> of it?

>>>

>>> Tamara

>>

>> I'm not sure that we 'get' any virus.

>> I see varicella and measles type symptoms as a way the body 'cleans

>> house'

>> so-to-speak.

>> In testing a virus might be present but maybe doing a job, not causing

>> something.

>> I don't know why it appears to spread.................they say its the

>> virus and it is contagious.

>> I have a feeling its something not known yet........an energy.

>> Sheri

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kay,

I am Tamara.I use a friend's old email address she does not use anymore.

As u said " measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, etc.) help strengthen the

immune

> system. These diseases have a purpose and aren't some horrible thing to

> be

> feared. " Many children do not get any childhood illnesses.Does it mean,the

purpose of these (to strengthen the immune system) is not for everybody (Mother

Nature wishes so??)

On the other hand Sheri said once,the diseases are sort of " cleanse out the

waste of the body " .If a child 1 year old,fully breastfed,not vaccinated (not a

lot of waste in its body) got measles ,how about an adult,smoking,meateater and

coke drinker does not get measles,but something else (cancer,DM2,Rheuma etc)????

Do u get what i mean? Why the children?

I personally think it is something we do not know yet and it is a big

secret....

Any ideas?

A question about Vit D ...Is it harmful to my 3 months old baby?Shall i give

it to her?I have not found a right information about it,so i am still waiting

for the truth....

As the doc said,i should give it till she is 1 year old.

I do not take any advices from doctors for 100%.

Any ideas for vit D?

Thanx for answering so quick and loooong

Tamara

Kay <kmp3@...> schrieb:

Hi ,

It's all about susceptibility, and that is very individual. 10 kids can be

exposed to the same illness, and maybe only 6 come down with it. Their

vital forces may have been strong enough to resist the illness, or perhaps

there are other things going on that know one really understands yet. We DO

know that not everyone comes down with the same things at the same time,

despite similar exposures.

I think childhood illness serve a purpose, and if someone doesn't get them

as a child and later gets them as an adult, the symptoms are usually more

severe. I personally think adults' vital forces are much more damaged than

a child's, and perhaps that's why adults often have such a rough time with

things like chicken pox, mumps, etc.

There IS no sense in vaccines, except to make some people and companies VERY

rich! It's an allopathic view that symptoms and diseases must be

erradicated. In their attempt to do so, they're causing more problems by

all the suppression, toxic chemicals and drugs that are being forced on

people. The human population is getting more and more ill as time goes on.

More chronic diseases are ravaging adults and children alike. Their plan

does NOT work! Only when getting to the root of the problem and allowing

the body's natural defense mechanisms to work, THAT'S where true health

lies.

It's so ironic that they make people think we can only be healthy if we take

drugs, get vaccinated, etc. And in our pursuit of health, most people go to

MDs who make a living from SICK people, and they are driven by the

pHARMaceutical companies who make their billions of dollars on keeping

people hooked on drugs.

It all seems so obvious, yet it's not. The pHARMaceutical companies have

great, effective marketing plans that make people fearful. Take away the

fear. Educate people about getting healthy and staying that way. But you

don't see THAT going on because who would make money off of healthy people??

Watch for the message, " Why Measles Might Be Necessary (and all the

childhood illnesses " I'm reposting it again to the group,as it didn't go

through the first time.

HTH

Kay P.

RE: Re: introduction

>

>

>> Hi Sheri,

>> I read somewhere,the vaccines themselves cause the child diseases.

>> I must confess i am fully confused about these child diseases.

>> Any ideas?

>> http://www.deir.co.uk/en/ That is a site that shows how a distance

>> energy (developed by...) can harm us.

>>

>> Sheri Nakken <snakken@...> schrieb:

>> At 10:52 AM 3/9/2006 +0100, you wrote:

>>> Hi Rolf,

>>> Thank you very much for the wonderful sites.I " studied " them 2 hrs.

>>> I have a little baby and i am concerned it would get some " viruses "

>>> like

>> Measles,Wh.Cough and rubella etc....

>>> Why non vaccinated healthy children get some of the diseases,that only

>> develop in a stressed body?

>>> I have a friend with 3 children (all not vaccinated,raw food eaters)

>>> and

>> all of them had Varicella and measles. Thats something i cannot

>> understand

>> after all the theories i know....

>>>

>>> Is there something developed by " somebody " that cause these

>> " child-diseases " no matter they have been vaccinated or not?

>>> I know also about the diseases caused from a distance....Have you

>>> heard

>> of it?

>>>

>>> Tamara

>>

>> I'm not sure that we 'get' any virus.

>> I see varicella and measles type symptoms as a way the body 'cleans

>> house'

>> so-to-speak.

>> In testing a virus might be present but maybe doing a job, not causing

>> something.

>> I don't know why it appears to spread.................they say its the

>> virus and it is contagious.

>> I have a feeling its something not known yet........an energy.

>> Sheri

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Tamara,

So far, I on my part have only recently read two books (200+ pages

each, in German) about the New Medicine. I'm now rather certain

the theory is correct, but I have only an intital kind of " grasp " of it.

As far as I understand:

The most basic thing in the theory is that what in " traditional "

medicine is called " diseases " are really special repair programs

by the body against the effects of various shocks.

After a shock, there are two phases, the conflict phase and

the healing phase.

The things called " infectious diseases " appear in the healing

phase, and in eah case is a part of it.

The particular " child diseases " I so far know practically nothing

about, but it seems that they too fit into that general pattern.

As far as I understand, such appear in unvaccinated children

too, and should be left to run their course.

Certainly there are no diseases " caused from a distance " ,

other than in the sense that a person may get a shock from

learning that someone for whom he/she cares is at risk,

or something like that.

At the New Medicine homepage in English, at

http://www.newmedicine.ca/,

there's also a section " Enquiries " , and perhaps you can

get a reply concerning such things as that which you asked

about there.

It says:

https://www.newmedicine.ca/enquiry.php

Information and Feedback

and

For all general enquiries and feedback please E-mail or use

the form below to contact us.

E-MAIL: enquiry@...

Your E-mail address has a " de " in it. So perhaps you can

read German?

In that language there are three forums which I know about.

In order to write in them (not just read) you have to become

a member (of each), which can be done rather quickly.

There's Agenda Leben at

http://www.agenda-leben.de/,

GNM-Forum (Germanische Neue Medizin) at:

http://www.gnm-forum.com/phpBB2/ and

faktor-L Forum at

http://www.faktor-l.de/

(The books I read had " factor-L " in their titles, meaning,

" factor-Life " .)

Hoping that you (and others) can get some good replies

from " real pros " .

Speaking of which, though, one of the points of the New Medicine

is that " the patient " gets to be " the boss " on his/her healing,

and that everybody can learn the basic technique; no

university education is needed and indeed, Dr Hamer writes

in " Book Excerpts " (see the homepage) i.a.:

" The person who comprehends it easily and understands it intuitively is no

less qualified than a more intellectually inclined colleague. In fact, the

intellectually inclined tend to lack what may be needed to better

understand their patients. On the other hand, we know that for the

dedicated doctor whose heart and soul is with his patients, nothing is more

rewarding than the knowledge and practice of the NEW MEDICINE. Physicians

gifted with the right qualities will be able to acquire the necessary

all-round knowledge that todays specialists, the so-called creamof the

profession, cannot hope to attain. "

Best regards,

Rolf M.

At 10:52 2006-03-09 +0100, you Deimler <animalsfreee@...>

wrote:

> Hi Rolf,

> Thank you very much for the wonderful sites.I " studied " them 2 hrs.

> I have a little baby and i am concerned it would get some " viruses "

> like Measles,Wh.Cough and rubella etc....

> Why non vaccinated healthy children get some of the diseases,that only

> develop in a stressed body?

> I have a friend with 3 children (all not vaccinated,raw food eaters)

> and all of them had Varicella and measles. Thats something i cannot

> understand after all the theories i know....

>

> Is there something developed by " somebody " that cause these

> " child-diseases " no matter they have been vaccinated or not?

> I know also about the diseases caused from a distance....Have you

> heard of it?

>

> Tamara

>

>

>Rolf Martens <rolf.martens@...> schrieb:

> At 11:04 2006-03-08 +0000, you (animalsfreee <animalsfreee@...>)

>wrote:

>

> >Hi,

> >I am Tamara from Austria.I have a 3 months old baby and have decided

> >not to vaccinate it at all.I read a lots of books about vaccine

> >hazards and made up my decision.

> >What do you all think about the Theory of the " non exixting viruses " ?

> >

> >regards

> >Tamara

>

>

>Hello Tamara,

>

>Actually, it's not a theory of " non-existing " viruses,

>since viruses do exist. Only, disease-causing such don't.

>Explained by Stefan Lanka (in English) at

><http://www.sickofdoctors.addr.com/articles/lanka_interview1.htm>http://www.sic\

kofdoctors.addr.com/articles/lanka_interview1.htm

>(interview on " retroviruses " in 1998),

><http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm>http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm

>(article on viruses in general in 2001) and

><http://rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/webstyle1/unite_info_251en.html>http:\

//rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/webstyle1/unite_info_251en.html

>(long interview on 27.10.2005).

>I'm certain he's right. Some others are saying the same,

>not least Ryke Geerd Hamer, see

><http://www.newmedicine.ca/.>http://www.newmedicine.ca/.

>

>Rolf M.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Kay,

The New Medicine theory (see http://www.newmedicine.ca/), of

which I'm now (a still rather ignorant) adherent, agrees with you

on one point, the most important, I think:

" These diseases have a purpose and aren't some horrible thing to be

feared. "

In fact they should more suitably be called " special repair

programs " , Dr Hamer says.

Instead of " And there really aren't any truly, 100% " healthy "

individuals. We all inherit predispositions for disease from

our ancestors " , he says approximately, agreeing that those

predispositions are inherited, that they are predispositions

for all sorts of healing programs.

Rolf M.

At 08:07 2006-03-09 -0500, you Kay<kmp3@...> wrote:

>I'm not Sheri, but there is evidence that normal childhood illnesses (such

>as measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, etc.) help strengthen the immune

>system. These diseases have a purpose and aren't some horrible thing to be

>feared. And there really aren't any truly, 100% " healthy " individuals. We

>all inherit predispositions for disease from our ancestors. A strong vital

>force can help overcome illnesses when they come our way.

>

>As Sheri N. has stated before, illnesses aren't the enemy. They are

>symptoms that the vital force is doing what it's supposed to (keeping the

>body in balance). Symptoms are a result of that action. If a person gets

> " stuck " with a particular illness or has a harder time dealing with strong

>symptoms, there is always homeopathy to give the vital force the boost it

>needs to complete the job.

>

>I'll repost something I saved from Sheri N. about the necessity of childhood

>illnesses.

>

>Kay P.

>

> RE: Re: introduction

>

>

> > Hi Sheri,

> > I read somewhere,the vaccines themselves cause the child diseases.

> > I must confess i am fully confused about these child diseases.

> > Any ideas?

> > <http://www.deir.co.uk/en/>http://www.deir.co.uk/en/ That is a site

> that shows how a distance

> > energy (developed by...) can harm us.

> >

> > Sheri Nakken <snakken@...> schrieb:

> > At 10:52 AM 3/9/2006 +0100, you wrote:

> >> Hi Rolf,

> >> Thank you very much for the wonderful sites.I " studied " them 2 hrs.

> >> I have a little baby and i am concerned it would get some " viruses " like

> > Measles,Wh.Cough and rubella etc....

> >> Why non vaccinated healthy children get some of the diseases,that only

> > develop in a stressed body?

> >> I have a friend with 3 children (all not vaccinated,raw food eaters) and

> > all of them had Varicella and measles. Thats something i cannot understand

> > after all the theories i know....

> >>

> >> Is there something developed by " somebody " that cause these

> > " child-diseases " no matter they have been vaccinated or not?

> >> I know also about the diseases caused from a distance....Have you heard

> > of it?

> >>

> >> Tamara

> >

> > I'm not sure that we 'get' any virus.

> > I see varicella and measles type symptoms as a way the body 'cleans house'

> > so-to-speak.

> > In testing a virus might be present but maybe doing a job, not causing

> > something.

> > I don't know why it appears to spread.................they say its the

> > virus and it is contagious.

> > I have a feeling its something not known yet........an energy.

> > Sheri

>

[Guest guest]

On the history of vaccination, see " The poisoned Needle " by

Eleanor McBean (1957), at the Vaccine Website.

Vaccination apparently is quite old, an old mistake. More

recently, it was introduced by Jenning, UK, in the early 19th

century. Ordinary people soon learned that it had very

bad effects, in fact was killing people, and protested against

the practice, which led to its being abandoned (or not¨

enforced by law) in some countries.

Holding on to it anyway, various governments - I believe - actually

have wanted, and do want, to terrorize and kill people.

Another book at the Vaccine Website is by Eleanora I. McBean

(perhaps the daugther of the simiarly-named?), " Swine Flu Expose " (

(1977). It has one chapter on the " Spanish Flu " of 1918-19,

which killed many million people (40 million or so). She writes

(correctly, I believe) that it was caused by vaccinations, which

started in military camps in the USA for troops going to Europe

for WW I.

The purpose behind this? I have a guess about that: In order

to counter the Russian revolution of 1917 and the massive

stirrings by people many countries at that time in that same

direction.

WW I " only " killed some 10 million people. The vaccinations,

then, if what I (for now) am only guessing is correct, many more

than that.

Concerng that which is " school medicine " is being called " the

immune system " and in which I used to believe too, there

actually is NO such, and no need for any, since the supposed

" danger of invasions from outside the body by nasty microbes "

is just an invention - or a wrong theory which the ruling

persons in the world are holding on to anyway, since it

suits their terroristic and murderous " needs " .

Sheri obviously (according to my incomplete understanding too)

was right when she wrote (below):

" I see varicella and measles type symptoms as a way the body 'cleans house'

so-to-speak. "

Rolf M.

At 14:41 2006-03-09 +0100, you Deimler <animalsfreee@...> wrote:

>Hi Kay,

> Thanx for the explanation.It is not new for me actually and i do not

> fear myself,but for my baby.

> I had measles as a child,my sister only the pox.We both were not

> vaccinated.

> Does it mean that the other viruses ( polio,rubella,mumps) living in

> our bodies were kept in balance at that time so we got only measles and pox?

> Why an adult does not have childhood -illness-symptoms if his immune

> system got worse,but other illnesses (like Cancer etc)? Why are these

> only in the childhood?

>

> What is the sense of the vaccine then?

> Is it just to reduce the world population?

>

> Awaiting your " repost " from Sheri and your answer.

>

>

>Kay <kmp3@...> schrieb:

> I'm not Sheri, but there is evidence that normal childhood illnesses (such

>as measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, etc.) help strengthen the immune

>system. These diseases have a purpose and aren't some horrible thing to be

>feared. And there really aren't any truly, 100% " healthy " individuals. We

>all inherit predispositions for disease from our ancestors. A strong vital

>force can help overcome illnesses when they come our way.

>

>As Sheri N. has stated before, illnesses aren't the enemy. They are

>symptoms that the vital force is doing what it's supposed to (keeping the

>body in balance). Symptoms are a result of that action. If a person gets

> " stuck " with a particular illness or has a harder time dealing with strong

>symptoms, there is always homeopathy to give the vital force the boost it

>needs to complete the job.

>

>I'll repost something I saved from Sheri N. about the necessity of childhood

>illnesses.

>

>Kay P.

>

> RE: Re: introduction

>

>

> > Hi Sheri,

> > I read somewhere,the vaccines themselves cause the child diseases.

> > I must confess i am fully confused about these child diseases.

> > Any ideas?

> > <http://www.deir.co.uk/en/>http://www.deir.co.uk/en/ That is a site

> that shows how a distance

> > energy (developed by...) can harm us.

> >

> > Sheri Nakken <snakken@...> schrieb:

> > At 10:52 AM 3/9/2006 +0100, you wrote:

> >> Hi Rolf,

> >> Thank you very much for the wonderful sites.I " studied " them 2 hrs.

> >> I have a little baby and i am concerned it would get some " viruses " like

> > Measles,Wh.Cough and rubella etc....

> >> Why non vaccinated healthy children get some of the diseases,that only

> > develop in a stressed body?

> >> I have a friend with 3 children (all not vaccinated,raw food eaters) and

> > all of them had Varicella and measles. Thats something i cannot understand

> > after all the theories i know....

> >>

> >> Is there something developed by " somebody " that cause these

> > " child-diseases " no matter they have been vaccinated or not?

> >> I know also about the diseases caused from a distance....Have you heard

> > of it?

> >>

> >> Tamara

> >

> > I'm not sure that we 'get' any virus.

> > I see varicella and measles type symptoms as a way the body 'cleans house'

> > so-to-speak.

> > In testing a virus might be present but maybe doing a job, not causing

> > something.

> > I don't know why it appears to spread.................they say its the

> > virus and it is contagious.

> > I have a feeling its something not known yet........an energy.

> > Sheri

>

>

>

>----------

[Guest guest]

Hello Rolf,

You make some interesting and good points.

That makes sense about the inherited predispositions for healing programs.

Afterall, symptoms are the result of the body's attempt to heal itself.

That manifestation would show up differently for every individual depending

on their genetic makeup, their current health and exposure to toxins in

their lifetime (including of course vaccines, drugs, and environmental

toxins, etc.)

Thanks for your input.

Kay P.

Re: introduction

> Hello Kay,

>

> The New Medicine theory (see http://www.newmedicine.ca/), of

> which I'm now (a still rather ignorant) adherent, agrees with you

> on one point, the most important, I think:

>

> " These diseases have a purpose and aren't some horrible thing to be

> feared. "

>

> In fact they should more suitably be called " special repair

> programs " , Dr Hamer says.

>

> Instead of " And there really aren't any truly, 100% " healthy "

> individuals. We all inherit predispositions for disease from

> our ancestors " , he says approximately, agreeing that those

> predispositions are inherited, that they are predispositions

> for all sorts of healing programs.

>

> Rolf M.

[Guest guest]

HI Lynda. My son didn't have any symptoms until he was around one year old. It

just started with tremors in his arms. I don't know which vac did it to him or

if it was because they pump kids with 5 at a time but today he can't move at

all. He has no diagnosis and the doctors have run out of tests to put him

through. I know in my heart that vacs did this to him. It could take months for

anything to show. Just beware. e

Lynda Cipov <million_max_mom@...> wrote: Hi! I just joined this group to

get more information about vaccines. My son is 5 months old and so far we have

given him 2 shots of DTaP, mainly because I was scared with him being in daycare

and was totally terrified when I read the pro-vax articles. He hasn't had any

reactions so far, but I really don't feel comfortable with continuing. He is

breastfed, and will be for quite sometime, so that gives me more time to get

more information about this subject and hopefully I will make a decision I am

comfortable with. Thank you for having me!

Lynda

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[Guest guest]

Hello Kay,

I agree with that which you're writing too, and shall continue

to try to learn some more in the field of medicine, in which

there will obviously continue to be a big struggle between

those few in power in the world today, on the one hand,

and practically everybody else, on the other.

Rolf M.

At 14:30 2006-03-10 -0500, you (Kay<kmp3@...>) wrote:

>Hello Rolf,

>

>You make some interesting and good points.

>

>That makes sense about the inherited predispositions for healing programs.

>Afterall, symptoms are the result of the body's attempt to heal itself.

>That manifestation would show up differently for every individual depending

>on their genetic makeup, their current health and exposure to toxins in

>their lifetime (including of course vaccines, drugs, and environmental

>toxins, etc.)

>

>Thanks for your input.

>

>Kay P.

>

> Re: introduction

>

>

> > Hello Kay,

> >

> > The New Medicine theory (see

> <http://www.newmedicine.ca/),>http://www.newmedicine.ca/), of

> > which I'm now (a still rather ignorant) adherent, agrees with you

> > on one point, the most important, I think:

> >

> > " These diseases have a purpose and aren't some horrible thing to be

> > feared. "

> >

> > In fact they should more suitably be called " special repair

> > programs " , Dr Hamer says.

> >

> > Instead of " And there really aren't any truly, 100% " healthy "

> > individuals. We all inherit predispositions for disease from

> > our ancestors " , he says approximately, agreeing that those

> > predispositions are inherited, that they are predispositions

> > for all sorts of healing programs.

> >

> > Rolf M.

[Guest guest]

Introduction

Let me introduce myself as a new member on this forum.

Doug B., been a medic for " far too long. " Started out as a typical

street medic for a long time. Spent almost 4 1/2 years in the " Magic

Kingdom " (Saudi Arabia) under contract in a hospital over there, and now

3 years as an offshore medic in the Gulf of Mexico. Now I'm bored out

here, and contemplating a return to the sandbox.

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/19/2006 9:33:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

scarlin@... writes:

Don't know if I've formally introduced myself before (I know I've

asked a few questions!), but I thought it was about time!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thanks for the info. about yourself, . What an interesting beginning!

Beth

[Guest guest]

Wow what an adventure!!! That is my fear to make so much and pay a

fanominal(sp) fee, and not sell a thing!! Thanks for sharing your

experience I enjoied reading it!!!

Gabby

P.S. Alot of women on this site are awsome, and someone to

meet....Try making it to a gathering one year!!1

>

> Hello everyone!

>

> Don't know if I've formally introduced myself before (I know I've

> asked a few questions!), but I thought it was about time!

>

> My name is and I'm sure like many of you I started out doing

> soaps & etc. as gifts. My DH thought it was very cool, so much so

that

> he talked about me at his BNI (Business Networking) group & there

was

> someone there from 93Q as a guest. Long story short, I was asked

to be

> a vendor at the 93Q Pajama Party! So, on to becoming a real

business.

> I had about 8 weeks to order supplies, make product, design labels,

> design a display & do the " business end " of everything, including a

> DBA & tax stuff.

>

> About a week after I got the DBA the Post Standard called & wanted

to

> feature me as Business of the Week! How totally awesome!! The

article

> appeared in the Madison County neighbors the day before the PJ

party.

>

> I got so worked up about the show & the article, I even managed to

> drop 10#! I went to the PJ party, table cost was $250, but the

> potential was enormous: 1,000 registered attendees (all women),

table

> in the main ballroom with the bar on one side of me and an

entrance on

> the other side. Great traffic flow!

>

> Well, the traffic flow was right to the dance floor & the

bar....not

> to the soapmaker! It was a complete disaster! For example, I made

500

> lip balms....I sold TWO!!!! Yikes..... In speaking with the other

> vendors, it wasn't me....many didn't do well. My pricing was fine,

> packaging & display were fine, quantity wasn't thin. The attendees

> were there to dance and drink. Period. Oh, the tattoo/body

piercing &

> adult toy people did a phenomenal business. Sigh. Live and learn.

>

> But, I firmly believe there is always a reason for the way things

work

> out...a week after the show I got a call from Lakeshore Yacht &

> Country Club to do an event for them. No table fee & no

competition,

> just a donation for a raffle. So, even if I don't do well, it will

> only cost me my time & trouble & the basket. I can deal with that!

>

> Last week my article appeared in the paper again! (I thought it

would

> only run once!) This time in Neighbors East (eastern Onondaga

County).

> I've gotten several phone calls, orders, & potential as a result.

>

> I've also met a lovely lady in Canastota - Debbie, The Country

Artist,

> too. She's been wonderful & I hope to meet up with her soon.

>

> Well, that's all for me now!

>

>

> Sweet Pea Soapworks

> Kirkville, NY

>

[Guest guest]

, nice to meet you! That really is quite a start! Good luck!

Shaye

[Guest guest]

Welcome, Kirsten. We're in Greensboro, just " up the road a bit " .

What shots were you advised to get for Ecuador, if you mind my asking?

Sheri B.

winterthunder83 <winterthunder83@...> wrote:

Hi everyone!

My name is Kirsten and I'm a junior at NC State University

majoring in Animal Science and Spanish. I am planning a semester

abroad in Ecuador and came to this list looking for scientific info to

help convince my loving but misguided parents that my decision to go

unvaccinated is wise. I've already gotten some good info from the

files but if anyone else has any studies or articles from scientific

journals I would love to see them:)

Have a wonderful Tuesday!

Kirsten

[Guest guest]

Hello and thank you for your welcome! I just found this message since

appears to be doing crazy things this week, so sorry for the

late reply. I was advised to be up to date on Hepatitis A and B,

Yellow Fever, Rabies and to take anti-malarial drugs. My middle

school vaccinated everyone for Hep B (which I find incredably ironic

considering how it spreads and the current sex ed policies); I'm not

touching a Rabies vaccine with a 10 foot pole and there hasn't been a

case of Yellow fever in Ecuador since 2003 and the 10 years prior to

that were in single digits. Hep A is a little more concerning since

it can be foodbourne but as far as I can tell the symptoms appear

treatable and it isn't permanent. The anti-malarial drugs are a

current point of contention between my homeopath and me since there

were ~50,000 cases in Ecuador in 2004, the last year that data was

available. About 0.004% when you consider the population, but

considering that I have no immunity to that and it is the most common,

I'm not sure what to do. Those drugs do have some nasty side effects

and I've seen some things that make me wonder if all they do is delay

the symptoms until you've stopped taking the drugs. But, given my

parents current position, that may be an area I'm willing to

compromise in to keep from being vaccinated. And now that I've given

a 25 cent answer to a simple question, I'll stop typing and go back to

studying for my exams!

Kirsten

> Hi everyone!

> My name is Kirsten and I'm a junior at NC State University

> majoring in Animal Science and Spanish. I am planning a semester

> abroad in Ecuador and came to this list looking for scientific info to

> help convince my loving but misguided parents that my decision to go

> unvaccinated is wise. I've already gotten some good info from the

> files but if anyone else has any studies or articles from scientific

> journals I would love to see them:)

> Have a wonderful Tuesday!

> Kirsten

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think it was an excellent answer and it proves that you've done your homework!

Sheri B.

winterthunder83 <winterthunder83@...> wrote:

Hello and thank you for your welcome! I just found this message since

appears to be doing crazy things this week, so sorry for the

late reply. I was advised to be up to date on Hepatitis A and B,

Yellow Fever, Rabies and to take anti-malarial drugs. My middle

school vaccinated everyone for Hep B (which I find incredably ironic

considering how it spreads and the current sex ed policies); I'm not

touching a Rabies vaccine with a 10 foot pole and there hasn't been a

case of Yellow fever in Ecuador since 2003 and the 10 years prior to

that were in single digits. Hep A is a little more concerning since

it can be foodbourne but as far as I can tell the symptoms appear

treatable and it isn't permanent. The anti-malarial drugs are a

current point of contention between my homeopath and me since there

were ~50,000 cases in Ecuador in 2004, the last year that data was

available. About 0.004% when you consider the population, but

considering that I have no immunity to that and it is the most common,

I'm not sure what to do. Those drugs do have some nasty side effects

and I've seen some things that make me wonder if all they do is delay

the symptoms until you've stopped taking the drugs. But, given my

parents current position, that may be an area I'm willing to

compromise in to keep from being vaccinated. And now that I've given

a 25 cent answer to a simple question, I'll stop typing and go back to

studying for my exams!

Kirsten

> Hi everyone!

> My name is Kirsten and I'm a junior at NC State University

> majoring in Animal Science and Spanish. I am planning a semester

> abroad in Ecuador and came to this list looking for scientific info to

> help convince my loving but misguided parents that my decision to go

> unvaccinated is wise. I've already gotten some good info from the

> files but if anyone else has any studies or articles from scientific

> journals I would love to see them:)

> Have a wonderful Tuesday!

> Kirsten

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome! We were also " holding off until later. " However, the more

we read on this group, the more we believe we're not doing it at

all! Seems too risky to me. Our ped, as well, kept pointing us

to " pro-vaccine " sites. Or, I should say, " pro-immunization. "

That's what they call them. I refuse to call them that. He pointed

us to the CDC and things like that. But, the money trail gets in the

way of me accepting their information.

>

> Hi Everyone,

> Wanted to introduce myself - My name is Laurie and I have a 5 month

old son and we live in Toronto. To date, I have refused all

vaccinations much to the dismay of my OB/GYN and his family doctor.

I have had to explain the research I've done on my own a few times

and have only been met with arguments and lists of websites to

visit " to make an informed decision " (each site listed was pro-

vaccination!). I was told to avoid all Mom & Baby groups or he would

get sick. I know that Pertussis and Mumps have been popping up in

the news lately, which to me, seems to serve my point. I'd be

willing to bet that the majority of those infected HAD vaccinations

and got sick anyways!!!

> In any case, even though my husband isn't happy with my decision,

I'm still holding out. My original plan was to delay immunization

until age 2. As per....

> http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller15.html

>

> But after reading the posts here, it seems as though I should be

avoiding, not deferring.

> Hmmmm.....

> Laurie

>