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If this is indeed true, then I was lied to (yet, again, what a surprise!)

by an allopathic doc this last December. I had my son in to see an allopath

for the first time in his life because he had inhaled a piece of pistachio

nut into his bronchial tubes that had to be extracted via a scope and

suction under general anesthesia. During his follow-up after the surgery,

the ped, having known my stance on vaxing since I first took my son to see

her a day after he inhaled the nut, urged me to get " Just the DTaP, if

nothing else " . I refused. She continued to tell me that if there was some

component of the DTaP that I was uncomfortable with, that her office stocked

the single vaccines and she could give one at a time over several visits,

and leave any of the components out that I didn't want... she also stated

that, if nothing else, I should consider Tetanus. I refused again, of

course, thanked her for (finally, a month later -- prior to seeing her I was

treated like a paranoid parent that didn't know what I was talking about)

getting my child the medical attention he needed and left.

I wasn't surprised that she had offered single vaccines, as I had taken my

child to that particular office for his acute problem after being directed

there by a holistic practitioner. That particular practice has a lot of

selective-vax/no-vax patients, so my holistic practitioner thought I'd be

hounded less there for my decisions than with most doctors. My reasoning

was since they deal with selective-vax patients that they have a lot of the

single-dose versions on-hand that most other ped's don't stock.

So, was she (the doc) lying? If I had agreed to, for instance JUST Tetanus,

and signed the " waiver " JUST for Tetanus, would my son have gotten other

crap too? Hm... medical malpractice if I've ever heard of it!!

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

>

> >

> >Secondly, if you are going to continue to selectively vax (I personally

> >don't vax at all), you should know that you CAN request that the cocktail

> >shots such as DTaP be split up and given to your son in single doses each

> >(Also request that they be given from single-dose vials, to avoid some of

> >the crap, like heavy metal preservatives, that are in all multi-dose

vials

> >of vaccine. Some vaccines are not preservative-free even in the single

dose

> >vial though.). For instance, you can get JUST Pertussis by itself, JUST

> >Dyptheria by itself, and JUST Tetanus by itself.

>

> No, you cannot

> Tetanus always comes with diphtheria and has lots of mercury

> and I don't think they even make a pertussis single.

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Some years back there was a tetanus only vaccine available. I temporarily lost

my mind and let myself be talked into the tetanus for my kids. At that time

there were two companies who made it: Wyeth (with some other name on it, too)

and I can't remember the other at the moment. So, they're back to not making it

available separately again?

Winnie

Re: Introduction

Vaccinations

>

> >

> >Secondly, if you are going to continue to selectively vax (I

> personally>don't vax at all), you should know that you CAN

> request that the cocktail

> >shots such as DTaP be split up and given to your son in single

> doses each

> >(Also request that they be given from single-dose vials, to

> avoid some of

> >the crap, like heavy metal preservatives, that are in all multi-

> dose vials

> >of vaccine. Some vaccines are not preservative-free even in the

> single dose

> >vial though.). For instance, you can get JUST Pertussis by

> itself, JUST

> >Dyptheria by itself, and JUST Tetanus by itself.

>

>

> No, you cannot

> Tetanus always comes with diphtheria and has lots of mercury

> and I don't think they even make a pertussis single.

>

> >Most ped's offices don't

> >keep them in stock but they can all order them in. I HIGHLY

> recommend that

> >you research each vaccine and each disease they are purported

> to prevent

> >before you continue with any vaccinations though. Knowledge is

> power.

>

> Exactly

> ALL vaccines are dangers in singles or combos

> I have seen reactions and deaths from singles or combos, delayed

> or

> on schedule.

>

> The key is to learn about the diseases so you don't have so much

> fear

> about them

> Fear is programmed into us to sell vaccine

> Sheri

>

>

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I would have thought they'd have to have a tetanus only vaccine. Otherwise,

every time someone gets a dog bite or scratch, they would have to give the DTaP.

It is not like they tell you, when offering a tetanus shot, you are also being

jabbed with the others.

Wouldn't surprise me though. Combining the vaccines is just their way of

covering up exactly which one caused damage. One of the many ways they

manipulate us.

Fieldman

Re: Introduction

Some years back there was a tetanus only vaccine available. I temporarily lost

my mind and let myself be talked into the tetanus for my kids. At that time

there were two companies who made it: Wyeth (with some other name on it, too)

and I can't remember the other at the moment. So, they're back to not making it

available separately again?

Winnie

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When the medics give a tetanus shot in response to an injury, it is actually

the tetanus immunoglobulin rather than the tetanus toxoid that is given with

the D & P. This gives you the idea: http://www.nmhct.nhs

UK/pharmacy/protocol-tetanus.HTML <groan>

I think it is possible to get the tetanus toxoid vaccine on its own, from

what I have read. But they consider that it has a better efficacy when

mixed with the diphtheria toxoid so it is combined with that - iirc....

Sue x

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I would have thought they'd have to have a tetanus only vaccine. Otherwise,

every time someone gets a dog bite or scratch, they would have to give the

DTaP. It is not like they tell you, when offering a tetanus shot, you are

also being jabbed with the others.

Wouldn't surprise me though. Combining the vaccines is just their way of

covering up exactly which one caused damage. One of the many ways they

manipulate us.

Fieldman

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Sue,

I've heard that if you have not had a tetanus vaccine, that it can be harmful to

get the tetanus immunoglobulin. Is that true?

Winnie

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>

> I would have thought they'd have to have a tetanus only vaccine.

> Otherwise,

> every time someone gets a dog bite or scratch, they would have

> to give the

> DTaP. It is not like they tell you, when offering a tetanus

> shot, you are

> also being jabbed with the others.

>

> Wouldn't surprise me though. Combining the vaccines is just

> their way of

> covering up exactly which one caused damage. One of the many

> ways they

> manipulate us.

>

> Fieldman

>

>

>

>

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Yup, you were lied to. There is no pertussis-only vaccine available. In

fact, pertussis only comes in DTaP-like combo drugs.

There is a tetanus-only vaccine that is separate from the one that

they'll give you in the ER if you have a wound. It's relatively new.

There are diphtheria and tetanus vaccines, called Td and DT. Both

contain thimerosal.

http://www.novaccine.com/specific-vaccines/vaccine.asp?v_id=37

~Robyn

Roberg wrote:

>

> If this is indeed true, then I was lied to (yet, again, what a surprise!)

> by an allopathic doc this last December. I had my son in to see an

> allopath

> for the first time in his life because he had inhaled a piece of pistachio

> nut into his bronchial tubes that had to be extracted via a scope and

> suction under general anesthesia. During his follow-up after the surgery,

> the ped, having known my stance on vaxing since I first took my son to see

> her a day after he inhaled the nut, urged me to get " Just the DTaP, if

> nothing else " . I refused. She continued to tell me that if there was some

> component of the DTaP that I was uncomfortable with, that her office

> stocked

> the single vaccines and she could give one at a time over several visits,

> and leave any of the components out that I didn't want... she also stated

> that, if nothing else, I should consider Tetanus. I refused again, of

> course, thanked her for (finally, a month later -- prior to seeing her

> I was

> treated like a paranoid parent that didn't know what I was talking about)

> getting my child the medical attention he needed and left.

>

> I wasn't surprised that she had offered single vaccines, as I had taken my

> child to that particular office for his acute problem after being directed

> there by a holistic practitioner. That particular practice has a lot of

> selective-vax/no-vax patients, so my holistic practitioner thought I'd be

> hounded less there for my decisions than with most doctors. My reasoning

> was since they deal with selective-vax patients that they have a lot

> of the

> single-dose versions on-hand that most other ped's don't stock.

>

> So, was she (the doc) lying? If I had agreed to, for instance JUST

> Tetanus,

> and signed the " waiver " JUST for Tetanus, would my son have gotten other

> crap too? Hm... medical malpractice if I've ever heard of it!!

>

>

>

> On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...

> <mailto:vaccineinfo%40tesco.net>> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >Secondly, if you are going to continue to selectively vax (I personally

> > >don't vax at all), you should know that you CAN request that the

> cocktail

>

> > >shots such as DTaP be split up and given to your son in single

> doses each

>

> > >(Also request that they be given from single-dose vials, to avoid

> some of

>

> > >the crap, like heavy metal preservatives, that are in all multi-dose

> vials

> > >of vaccine. Some vaccines are not preservative-free even in the single

> dose

> > >vial though.). For instance, you can get JUST Pertussis by itself, JUST

> > >Dyptheria by itself, and JUST Tetanus by itself.

> >

> > No, you cannot

> > Tetanus always comes with diphtheria and has lots of mercury

> > and I don't think they even make a pertussis single.

>

>

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At 12:22 AM 4/7/2008, you wrote:

>Some years back there was a tetanus only vaccine

>available. I temporarily lost my mind and let

>myself be talked into the tetanus for my kids.

>At that time there were two companies who made

>it: Wyeth (with some other name on it, too) and

>I can't remember the other at the moment. So,

>they're back to not making it available separately again?

>

>Winnie

Hi Winnie,

Tetanus toxoid is available separate but now one

stocks it...............you could demand it, I

guess...........they give now combined with

diphtheria - different amounts for below 7 years

old & above 7 years old. - but any tetanus toxoid

in single or combined with diphtheria is highly

reactive and does nothing to prevent

tetanus. They want to give as many vaxs as can while they have you

http://www.vaccineshoppe.com/US_PDF/800-83_4258.pdf

" It is advisable to use DT (For Pediatric Use –

under 7 years of age) or Td (For Adult Use – 7 years of age and older) in wound

prophylaxis instead of tetanus toxoid alone in

order to maintain adequate levels of diphtheria immunity.1 "

See my dangers page

http://www.wellwithin1.com/tetanus.htm

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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my thoughts exactly

Sheri

At 12:51 AM 4/7/2008, you wrote:

>Wouldn't surprise me though. Combining the vaccines is just their

>way of covering up exactly which one caused damage. One of the many

>ways they manipulate us.

>

> Fieldman

>

> Re: Introduction

>

>

> Some years back there was a tetanus only vaccine available. I

> temporarily lost my mind and let myself be talked into the tetanus

> for my kids. At that time there were two companies who made it:

> Wyeth (with some other name on it, too) and I can't remember the

> other at the moment. So, they're back to not making it available

> separately again?

>

> Winnie

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Thanks, Sheri. I was just curious--no intentions of demanding it from my end. At

the time I asked for it separately, the ped said they it wasn't available. I

corrected him, and told him Wyeth made it. When it came in, it was from

Connaught, so I guess he knew all along he could order it. I refused it because

I was told by a medical malpractice attorney to stay away from Connaught because

they were sued constantly over poor quality control. Who would think you'd have

to worry about the company's QC records along with all the other dangers of

vaccines?

Never again.

Winnie

Re: Introduction

Vaccinations

> At 12:22 AM 4/7/2008, you wrote:

> >Some years back there was a tetanus only vaccine

> >available. I temporarily lost my mind and let

> >myself be talked into the tetanus for my kids.

> >At that time there were two companies who made

> >it: Wyeth (with some other name on it, too) and

> >I can't remember the other at the moment. So,

> >they're back to not making it available separately again?

> >

> >Winnie

>

>

> Hi Winnie,

> Tetanus toxoid is available separate but now one

> stocks it...............you could demand it, I

> guess...........they give now combined with

> diphtheria - different amounts for below 7 years

> old & above 7 years old. - but any tetanus toxoid

> in single or combined with diphtheria is highly

> reactive and does nothing to prevent

> tetanus. They want to give as many vaxs as can while they have you

>

> http://www.vaccineshoppe.com/US_PDF/800-83_4258.pdf

> " It is advisable to use DT (For Pediatric Use –

> under 7 years of age) or Td (For Adult Use – 7 years of age and

> older) in wound

> prophylaxis instead of tetanus toxoid alone in

> order to maintain adequate levels of diphtheria immunity.1 "

>

> See my dangers page

> http://www.wellwithin1.com/tetanus.htm

>

>

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> Vaccines -

> http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine

> Dangers & Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start

> April 18

>

>

>

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No, not for that reason

But the tetanus immune globulin is a pooled blood product of

vaccinated individuals

Sheri

>Sue,

>

>I've heard that if you have not had a tetanus vaccine, that it can

>be harmful to get the tetanus immunoglobulin. Is that true?

>

>Winnie

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Ugh.

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> No, not for that reason

>

> But the tetanus immune globulin is a pooled blood product of

> vaccinated individuals

> Sheri

>

>

> >Sue,

> >

> >I've heard that if you have not had a tetanus vaccine, that it

> can

> >be harmful to get the tetanus immunoglobulin. Is that true?

> >

> >Winnie

>

>

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Hi, Kathy. Thanks for your story. Here are some things to consider, although you

didn't ask so feel free to ignore:

If you're fully vaccinated daughter got whooping cough, you have first hand

experience with total vaccine failure. All of your family who got it pulled

through. I'm sure it was very scary, but you're all fine.What benefit would you

get from the vaccine that you don't already have? (and I don't think they make

the pertussis vaccine by itself).

My oldest two sons were given the original DPT. I was told all vaccines were

perfectly safe. Then the DTaP came along and I was told it was safer. What the

heck? How can it be safer than " perfectly safe? "

Something to consider: SIDS occurs around when DTaP is given, no known cause. Is

it a coincidence? Read A Shot in the Dark: Why the P in the DPT vaccination may

be hazardous to your child's health. It's an eye-opener, even if they don't use

the whole-cell pertussis vaccine any more. The acellular pertussis one might not

be any better.

Winnie

Introduction

Vaccinations

> I was introduced to your group through a friend.

>

> I'm so happy! I have not felt confident enough in what my

> husband and I

> have been learning over the past 10 years to become a true

> advocate of

> not vaccinating. I see that this group will provide us with lots

> of good

> information on the topic.

>

> It's what we need at our house.

>

> Our 10* year History (Children are 10, 9, 5, 4, 1) *Vaccination

> Interest corresponds to child-bearing stage.

>

> (1997)10yr old - Fully Vaccinated. Ignorance is bliss

> (1999) 9 yr old - Vaccinated to before 4yr booster

> When she was 13 months we moved next to a family with an

> autistic

> son. The mother felt like the autism was triggered with the 18mo

> MMR

> vaccine. FIRST awareness on our part that maybe vaccines needed

> to be

> researched, but I vaccinated anyway. At the time we were

> residents of

> Arkansas. My daughter was started on a chicken pox vaccine and

> then

> stopped. When I questioned the doctor, he explained that the

> vaccine had

> been stopped because they weren't sure of it's effectiveness.

> SECOND

> awareness of " Are vaccines good for us? " " Do the doctors know

> what they

> are doing? " (Side-not - My Texas friends tell me that the

> chicken pox

> vaccine was always part of the vaccination routine. In Arkansas

> they

> restarted it at some point. Not sure when.)

> Moved to Texas and was pregnant with my 3rd. The second

> friend that

> I made in Texas had an autistic daughter who she felt like was

> autistic

> as a result of the 18 mo MMR vaccination. THIRD awareness - Too

> coincidental, we decided to start reading. Tried asking at the

> doctors'

> offices, but that lead no where. Decided that we would delay the

> process.(2002) 5 yr old - New born vaccinations at hospital

> Living in Texas, were told that we could not take our baby

> out of

> the hospital without the first round of vaccinations. Not true,

> but we

> didn't know that. Called the pediatrician for the 2 mo check and

> said

> that we weren't planning to continue the vaccinations. The nurse

> asked

> me why I would bother to go to the check-up. We didn't go

> (2004) 4yr old - No vaccinations

> Found a pediatrician who didn't believe in giving the

> Hepatitis

> vaccine, but then pushed everything else after we left the hospital.

> WHOOPING COUGH experience - at the time (early 2006). All the

> children

> contracted whopping cough. The oldest (fully vaccinated) and #3

> child

> seemed to react most severely to having it. Of course, the first

> thought

> was " Did we vaccinate all of them? Oh no, now what! " The

> children, we

> believe, contracted the disease at the clinic that we visited.

> We

> quarantined ourselves for 6 weeks and everyone did fine. We

> didn't

> quarantined ourselves soon enough, however. It was 2 weeks

> before we

> figured out that we had whooping cough. One child that we had

> been in

> contact with contracted it.

> (2007) 1 yr old - No vaccinations

> Been considering the whooping cough vaccine. We live in the

> Austin

> area. We know that the outbreaks are under-reported and reported

> late do

> to the experience that we had with our other four children.

> Asked in 2

> different states at 2 different offices on availability of

> ordering the

> whooping cough vaccine by itself. Both offices have told me that

> the

> best thing for me to do is go to public health, they'll be able

> to do

> it. Of course, a dear friend, has strongly advised against it

> and

> watching this site for 24 hours, plus our previous experience

> has

> evaporated any lingering thoughts of pursuing that shot.

>

> That's our story. T

>

> hanks so much for the moderators and advocates on this list.

> I'll be

> more vocal as a result of what I learn.

>

> I'm very grateful.

>

> Kathy

>

>

>

>

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Hi --

Welcome to the group. I'm and my two kids, 19 and 14, are partially

vaxed. My kids both had CP, my DD at less than a year old, so I never did

any research on that vax. Perhaps Sheri N. has something on CP vax not

being effective.

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On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Doula <doula@...>

wrote:

> Hello everyone,

>

> I am new to the group and thought I would say hello.

>

> My name is and I am a WAHM with 6 blessings ages 23, 26, 8, 7, 5

> and 3. We have covered I think the gambit of possibilities when it comes

> to

> vaccinations. From fully vaccinated to now no vaccinations. With a few

> delayed and selective tossed in for good measure.

>

> I look forward to meeting everyone and learning even more about

> vaccinations

> in the world today.

>

>

>

> I am looking for one piece of information maybe someone can point me in the

> right direction. I need a report on how the chicken pox vaccine does not

> work like the general public thinks it does, but I need it from a more

> mainstream point of view. I will tell you why. We have been attending pox

> parties and asked my DH's family if they did not want us around them this

> weekend as we might be infectious at this time. The emails I got back from

> some of them were " You can come my kids are vaccinated " . I know and you

> know the vax does not work so I am still torn if we should attend and

> possibly infect their children. The older of the kids are in their young

> teens all the way down to the baby who is just 11 months. (baby is

> non-vaxed) I would love to get the family some education on just this

> vaccine but they will not listen to just me. I need a study from a

> mainstream doctor/corporation so I might have a chance that they will

> listen. If you can help that would be great. I am on digest so I might be

> slow to respond :-)

>

> Thanks again,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi , welcome to our group!

My feeling on this is that if the parents are okay with you possibly

exposing their children to the pox, then you should just go over and have

fun with the family! What are the possiblities that can happen? 1.

Perhaps your children are not infected and not contagious; 2. If your kids

are infected, theirs may or may not become infected; 3. If their children

do end up infected, it will do two things... it will show them that vaccines

aren't as foolproof as they believe and possibly open their eyes to the

other vaccines, it will make their children truly immune to the pox for

life, and it's a mild childhood disease that is likely not going to do more

than cause them a little discomfort in the form of itching for a few days.

I say you've been the responsible one and done your part by telling them

truthfully that your children may be infected and you left it up to them to

call the shots.... they called 'em, so go with it!

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Doula <doula@...>

wrote:

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I am new to the group and thought I would say hello.

>

> My name is and I am a WAHM with 6 blessings ages 23, 26, 8, 7, 5

> and 3. We have covered I think the gambit of possibilities when it comes

to

> vaccinations. From fully vaccinated to now no vaccinations. With a few

> delayed and selective tossed in for good measure.

>

> I look forward to meeting everyone and learning even more about

vaccinations

> in the world today.

>

> I am looking for one piece of information maybe someone can point me in

the

> right direction. I need a report on how the chicken pox vaccine does not

> work like the general public thinks it does, but I need it from a more

> mainstream point of view. I will tell you why. We have been attending pox

> parties and asked my DH's family if they did not want us around them this

> weekend as we might be infectious at this time. The emails I got back from

> some of them were " You can come my kids are vaccinated " . I know and you

> know the vax does not work so I am still torn if we should attend and

> possibly infect their children. The older of the kids are in their young

> teens all the way down to the baby who is just 11 months. (baby is

> non-vaxed) I would love to get the family some education on just this

> vaccine but they will not listen to just me. I need a study from a

> mainstream doctor/corporation so I might have a chance that they will

> listen. If you can help that would be great. I am on digest so I might be

> slow to respond :-)

>

> Thanks again,

>

>

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Thank you for the welcome and the honesty :)

>

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > I am new to the group and thought I would say hello.

> >

> > My name is and I am a WAHM with 6 blessings ages 23,

26, 8, 7, 5

> > and 3. We have covered I think the gambit of possibilities when

it comes

> > to

> > vaccinations. From fully vaccinated to now no vaccinations.

With a few

> > delayed and selective tossed in for good measure.

> >

> > I look forward to meeting everyone and learning even more about

> > vaccinations

> > in the world today.

> >

> >

> >

> > I am looking for one piece of information maybe someone can point

me in the

> > right direction. I need a report on how the chicken pox vaccine

does not

> > work like the general public thinks it does, but I need it from a

more

> > mainstream point of view. I will tell you why. We have been

attending pox

> > parties and asked my DH's family if they did not want us around

them this

> > weekend as we might be infectious at this time. The emails I got

back from

> > some of them were " You can come my kids are vaccinated " . I know

and you

> > know the vax does not work so I am still torn if we should attend

and

> > possibly infect their children. The older of the kids are in

their young

> > teens all the way down to the baby who is just 11 months. (baby is

> > non-vaxed) I would love to get the family some education on just

this

> > vaccine but they will not listen to just me. I need a study from

a

> > mainstream doctor/corporation so I might have a chance that they

will

> > listen. If you can help that would be great. I am on digest so

I might be

> > slow to respond :-)

> >

> > Thanks again,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Thank you,

We have not heard from the whole family yet and I get the feelign we

will not hear from the rest of them. Most of the children minus the

11 month old have all been fully vaxed so far so they do feel secure

that we are the hippy freaks and they are the normal ones. I would

love to see the look on there faces if the knew our 3.5 year old was

still nursing ROFL.

Anyway got off track. We are currently planning on attending, of

course I was hopeing someone would say no, I do not care for this

event. Mothers day with the in-laws Yeah! I was kind of hoping to

stay home. Such is my luck.

Thanks again,

B.

> >

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > I am new to the group and thought I would say hello.

> >

> > My name is and I am a WAHM with 6 blessings ages 23,

26, 8, 7, 5

> > and 3. We have covered I think the gambit of possibilities when

it comes

> to

> > vaccinations. From fully vaccinated to now no vaccinations. With

a few

> > delayed and selective tossed in for good measure.

> >

> > I look forward to meeting everyone and learning even more about

> vaccinations

> > in the world today.

> >

> > I am looking for one piece of information maybe someone can point

me in

> the

> > right direction. I need a report on how the chicken pox vaccine

does not

> > work like the general public thinks it does, but I need it from a

more

> > mainstream point of view. I will tell you why. We have been

attending pox

> > parties and asked my DH's family if they did not want us around

them this

> > weekend as we might be infectious at this time. The emails I got

back from

> > some of them were " You can come my kids are vaccinated " . I know

and you

> > know the vax does not work so I am still torn if we should attend

and

> > possibly infect their children. The older of the kids are in

their young

> > teens all the way down to the baby who is just 11 months. (baby is

> > non-vaxed) I would love to get the family some education on just

this

> > vaccine but they will not listen to just me. I need a study from a

> > mainstream doctor/corporation so I might have a chance that they

will

> > listen. If you can help that would be great. I am on digest so I

might be

> > slow to respond :-)

> >

> > Thanks again,

> >

> >

>

>

>

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Oh, hahahaha! That is so funny! So maybe the kiddos will have pox marks

tomorrow morning and you CAN stay home.

I'm glad to know I'm not the only " hippy freak " around! I get funny looks

from family and friends when they find out my 2.5 yr old is still nursing.

I also get " the looks " everytime the vax issue comes up, or when I refuse to

use a microwave to cook -- I can't stand the way they make my food taste, so

I do it the old fashioned way.

On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Silver DolphinWolf <

doula@...> wrote:

>

> Thank you,

> We have not heard from the whole family yet and I get the feelign we

> will not hear from the rest of them. Most of the children minus the

> 11 month old have all been fully vaxed so far so they do feel secure

> that we are the hippy freaks and they are the normal ones. I would

> love to see the look on there faces if the knew our 3.5 year old was

> still nursing ROFL.

> Anyway got off track. We are currently planning on attending, of

> course I was hopeing someone would say no, I do not care for this

> event. Mothers day with the in-laws Yeah! I was kind of hoping to

> stay home. Such is my luck.

> Thanks again,

> B.

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Glad to see I am not the only one who refuses to own a microwave! :)

Did you know if you boil water and let it cool to room temperature then

water the plants with it that it will kill the plants?

That is all I needed to convince me how horridly dangerous they are.

Roberg wrote:

>

> Oh, hahahaha! That is so funny! So maybe the kiddos will have pox marks

> tomorrow morning and you CAN stay home.

>

> I'm glad to know I'm not the only " hippy freak " around! I get funny looks

> from family and friends when they find out my 2.5 yr old is still nursing.

> I also get " the looks " everytime the vax issue comes up, or when I

> refuse to

> use a microwave to cook -- I can't stand the way they make my food

> taste, so

> I do it the old fashioned way.

>

>

>

> On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Silver DolphinWolf <

> doula@... <mailto:doula%40wideopenwest.com>> wrote:

> >

> > Thank you,

> > We have not heard from the whole family yet and I get the feelign we

> > will not hear from the rest of them. Most of the children minus the

> > 11 month old have all been fully vaxed so far so they do feel secure

> > that we are the hippy freaks and they are the normal ones. I would

> > love to see the look on there faces if the knew our 3.5 year old was

> > still nursing ROFL.

> > Anyway got off track. We are currently planning on attending, of

> > course I was hopeing someone would say no, I do not care for this

> > event. Mothers day with the in-laws Yeah! I was kind of hoping to

> > stay home. Such is my luck.

> > Thanks again,

> > B.

>

>

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I have a microwave because it came with the apartment, but I try not to use

it...at least for the kids. But I had no idea about the water killing the

plants!! Wow!!!

FORCED ANARCHY <FORCEDANARCHY@...> wrote: Glad to see I am not the

only one who refuses to own a microwave! :)

Did you know if you boil water and let it cool to room temperature then

water the plants with it that it will kill the plants?

That is all I needed to convince me how horridly dangerous they are.

Roberg wrote:

>

> Oh, hahahaha! That is so funny! So maybe the kiddos will have pox marks

> tomorrow morning and you CAN stay home.

>

> I'm glad to know I'm not the only " hippy freak " around! I get funny looks

> from family and friends when they find out my 2.5 yr old is still nursing.

> I also get " the looks " everytime the vax issue comes up, or when I

> refuse to

> use a microwave to cook -- I can't stand the way they make my food

> taste, so

> I do it the old fashioned way.

>

>

>

> On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Silver DolphinWolf <

> doula@... <mailto:doula%40wideopenwest.com>> wrote:

> >

> > Thank you,

> > We have not heard from the whole family yet and I get the feelign we

> > will not hear from the rest of them. Most of the children minus the

> > 11 month old have all been fully vaxed so far so they do feel secure

> > that we are the hippy freaks and they are the normal ones. I would

> > love to see the look on there faces if the knew our 3.5 year old was

> > still nursing ROFL.

> > Anyway got off track. We are currently planning on attending, of

> > course I was hopeing someone would say no, I do not care for this

> > event. Mothers day with the in-laws Yeah! I was kind of hoping to

> > stay home. Such is my luck.

> > Thanks again,

> > B.

>

>

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Oh man, I can't STAND microwaves. I remember when we got our first one in

the late 70's or early 80's. My mom had made some really awesome beef

stroganoff the night before that she decided to quickly heat back up in the

new and modern microwave. I took one bite, spit it out and REFUSED to eat

any more! The meat tasted completely rotten to me! I think it makes

everything taste rotten or like wet cardboard. Broccoli and Cauliflower are

the WORST things microwaved, other than meats, IMO. Microwaves were

actually outlawed in Russia in 1976 due to the hazardous effects they have

on the environment and our physical health. Here's a really good read on

the subject: http://www.progesterone.com/microwave_hazards.html

We have a microwave in the house we're currently renting because it's built

in above the stove. DH uses it, but he's forbidden from giving my kids or

me anything that has been nuked. My kids are not allowed anywhere NEAR the

kitchen when the nuker is running, either. I just don't feel comfortable

with radiation touching my food or being anywhere near my kids. When we buy

a house, if there's a microwave in it, that will be the first thing that

gets upgraded to the trash.... in the meantime I figure DH is a grown man

and if he wants to fry his cells, that's his choice. He is not allowed to

make microwaved popcorn though... make that in my house and you will be

BANNED for life! The smell from that stuff sticks to everything! Blech! I

even have been known to warn a waitress/waiter up front in restraunts that I

WILL be sending back anything that is nuked, so not to even bother... and I

HAVE sent food back that tasted nuked. If I'm paying good money, I want

good food!

Here's the link to the plant study: http://www.execonn.com/sf/ Snopes.com

lists it as a hoax, but I don't care... the mere fact that the taste of

food changes is enough for me to stay away.

I actually tend to be very sensitive to anything like that though; I can't

stand the taste of anything from plastic either, so all my leftovers are

stored in Corningware (which also makes it easy to pop in the oven

right from the fridge). I can actually taste the chemicals from the

plastic. I even make my own bread and store it in foil, or buy fresh baked

bread at the bakery and instruct them to put it in paper bags, because I

can't stand the plastic wrap taste on store-bought bread.

I think that if I ever had to, I could make a pretty good case to get a

medical exemption for vaccines, because if I'm this sensitive to things in

the environment, then I'm sure my kids are, as well. Especially since I

don't expose them to a lot of the stuff -- like plastic for storing food.

DH's side of the family has a LOT of food/chemical sensitivities too. Of

course, getting any allopath to look at me straight-faced and not call me a

kook could be a challenge... especially when my own friends and some of my

family (my mom is on board with me) think I'm on the nutty side already! I

tell them I'm not nutty, I'm crunchy! :P

On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 11:48 AM, FORCED ANARCHY <FORCEDANARCHY@...>

wrote:

>

> Glad to see I am not the only one who refuses to own a microwave! :)

>

> Did you know if you boil water and let it cool to room temperature then

> water the plants with it that it will kill the plants?

>

> That is all I needed to convince me how horridly dangerous they are.

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We also used distilled water rather than tap. If I had my own

distiller, I'd cook w/that water too. Instead, I at least used

filtered. I can't stand the taste of tap water - period. Plus, with

all the chemicals, pharmaceuticals, etc in the water, it can't be

good for us. Add that on top of the microwave thing, vax thing, etc,

etc!

> >

> > Thank you,

> > We have not heard from the whole family yet and I get the feelign

we

> > will not hear from the rest of them. Most of the children minus

the

> > 11 month old have all been fully vaxed so far so they do feel

secure

> > that we are the hippy freaks and they are the normal ones. I would

> > love to see the look on there faces if the knew our 3.5 year old

was

> > still nursing ROFL.

> > Anyway got off track. We are currently planning on attending, of

> > course I was hopeing someone would say no, I do not care for this

> > event. Mothers day with the in-laws Yeah! I was kind of hoping to

> > stay home. Such is my luck.

> > Thanks again,

> > B.

>

>

>

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-LOL!!!! you are hysterical!

Rina

-- In Vaccinations , " Roberg " <trinnea@...>

wrote:

>

> Oh man, I can't STAND microwaves. I remember when we got our

first one in

> the late 70's or early 80's. My mom had made some really awesome

beef

> stroganoff the night before that she decided to quickly heat back

up in the

> new and modern microwave. I took one bite, spit it out and

REFUSED to eat

> any more! The meat tasted completely rotten to me! I think it

makes

> everything taste rotten or like wet cardboard. Broccoli and

Cauliflower are

> the WORST things microwaved, other than meats, IMO. Microwaves

were

> actually outlawed in Russia in 1976 due to the hazardous effects

they have

> on the environment and our physical health. Here's a really good

read on

> the subject: http://www.progesterone.com/microwave_hazards.html

>

> We have a microwave in the house we're currently renting because

it's built

> in above the stove. DH uses it, but he's forbidden from giving my

kids or

> me anything that has been nuked. My kids are not allowed anywhere

NEAR the

> kitchen when the nuker is running, either. I just don't feel

comfortable

> with radiation touching my food or being anywhere near my kids.

When we buy

> a house, if there's a microwave in it, that will be the first

thing that

> gets upgraded to the trash.... in the meantime I figure DH is a

grown man

> and if he wants to fry his cells, that's his choice. He is not

allowed to

> make microwaved popcorn though... make that in my house and you

will be

> BANNED for life! The smell from that stuff sticks to everything!

Blech! I

> even have been known to warn a waitress/waiter up front in

restraunts that I

> WILL be sending back anything that is nuked, so not to even

bother... and I

> HAVE sent food back that tasted nuked. If I'm paying good money,

I want

> good food!

>

> Here's the link to the plant study: http://www.execonn.com/sf/

Snopes.com

> lists it as a hoax, but I don't care... the mere fact that the

taste of

> food changes is enough for me to stay away.

>

> I actually tend to be very sensitive to anything like that though;

I can't

> stand the taste of anything from plastic either, so all my

leftovers are

> stored in Corningware (which also makes it easy to pop in the oven

> right from the fridge). I can actually taste the chemicals from

the

> plastic. I even make my own bread and store it in foil, or buy

fresh baked

> bread at the bakery and instruct them to put it in paper bags,

because I

> can't stand the plastic wrap taste on store-bought bread.

>

> I think that if I ever had to, I could make a pretty good case to

get a

> medical exemption for vaccines, because if I'm this sensitive to

things in

> the environment, then I'm sure my kids are, as well. Especially

since I

> don't expose them to a lot of the stuff -- like plastic for

storing food.

> DH's side of the family has a LOT of food/chemical sensitivities

too. Of

> course, getting any allopath to look at me straight-faced and not

call me a

> kook could be a challenge... especially when my own friends and

some of my

> family (my mom is on board with me) think I'm on the nutty side

already! I

> tell them I'm not nutty, I'm crunchy! :P

>

>

>

>

> On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 11:48 AM, FORCED ANARCHY

<FORCEDANARCHY@...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Glad to see I am not the only one who refuses to own a

microwave! :)

> >

> > Did you know if you boil water and let it cool to room

temperature then

> > water the plants with it that it will kill the plants?

> >

> > That is all I needed to convince me how horridly dangerous they

are.

>

>

>

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Welcome Dee Dee! That book had a big effect in me too. I also am on the

mothering boards and am nursing my nearly nine month old ... I would love to

still be doing it at 16 months- good for you! This board is awesome, you will be

glad you joined.

Susie

On May 23, 2008, at 6:03 PM, " DeeDee Kearney " <kearneydd@...> wrote:

Hi everyone, and thank you for accepting me in to your group.

I am a mom to a beautiful 16 month old, completely vax free daughter.

A little history: About 3 years ago, while I was at the airport on my

way to ireland to visit my parents, I came across " Natural Cures " by

Trudeau...say what you want about the guy but this book

literally changed my life. It was truly eye opening. From that moment

on, I changed my diet to as much organic food as possible, I began

using all natural cleaners in my home (vinegar rules), organic body

care products etc. I was addicted to organicconsumers.org and

EWG.org. I am so thankful my eyes were opened during this period,

because it got me on a great, truly healthy path during my pregnancy.

All of that research I did for those few years before I got pregnant

led me to mothering.com... If it wasn't for all of those changes I

went through, I would have had a conventional birth with an

OB...instead I had an all natural birth with a midwife..one of the

most incredible experiences ever. I am still nursing my 16 month old

(a big reason is because she is non vaxed), and that I want her to

have optimal immunity, which I believe can be achieved through

breastmilk, and high quality organic food.

The reson why I mentioned mothering is because they have a vaccination

forum. I am so glad I found them, as it was a TREMENDOUS resource

with a lot of supportive mamas. It is because of that forum, that my

daighter is completely vax free. I've learned, and continue to learn

everything I can about vaccinations...I think I've read every book,

watched every DVD etc..I I have a copy of the CDC Pink Book, and I

love how it is dissected on the mothering board. Anyway, I can't

believe it took this long to find you guys, but I am finally here and

thrilled to be a part of this very important group.

Look forward to getting into with you all! :) DeeDee

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Good to have you aboard, Deedee, welcome!

I commend you for breastfeeding for as long as you have. It's always

nice to hear of others who are like-minded. I'm the " kook " in my

family for still breastfeeding my toddler, eating as naturally as

possible, not vaxing (for that I'm more than a kook, I'm also

irresponsible and I'm abusing my child...), etc. I currently still

breastfeed my 28 month old, as well as my newborn, and I know it will

be a truly heartbreaking (although maybe slightly relieving) day when

my toddler decides he doesn't need mama's milk anymore. :)

I look forward to seeing more from you; I'm sure you will contribute

much to our group! :)

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DeeDee,

Welcome! Hey, I have a question for you... perhaps everyone else knows this, but

what is

the CDC Pink Book and how can I get a copy?

:-)

>

> Hi everyone, and thank you for accepting me in to your group.

>

> I am a mom to a beautiful 16 month old, completely vax free daughter.

>

> A little history: About 3 years ago, while I was at the airport on my

> way to ireland to visit my parents, I came across " Natural Cures " by

> Trudeau...say what you want about the guy but this book

> literally changed my life. It was truly eye opening. From that moment

> on, I changed my diet to as much organic food as possible, I began

> using all natural cleaners in my home (vinegar rules), organic body

> care products etc. I was addicted to organicconsumers.org and

> EWG.org. I am so thankful my eyes were opened during this period,

> because it got me on a great, truly healthy path during my pregnancy.

> All of that research I did for those few years before I got pregnant

> led me to mothering.com... If it wasn't for all of those changes I

> went through, I would have had a conventional birth with an

> OB...instead I had an all natural birth with a midwife..one of the

> most incredible experiences ever. I am still nursing my 16 month old

> (a big reason is because she is non vaxed), and that I want her to

> have optimal immunity, which I believe can be achieved through

> breastmilk, and high quality organic food.

>

> The reson why I mentioned mothering is because they have a vaccination

> forum. I am so glad I found them, as it was a TREMENDOUS resource

> with a lot of supportive mamas. It is because of that forum, that my

> daighter is completely vax free. I've learned, and continue to learn

> everything I can about vaccinations...I think I've read every book,

> watched every DVD etc..I I have a copy of the CDC Pink Book, and I

> love how it is dissected on the mothering board. Anyway, I can't

> believe it took this long to find you guys, but I am finally here and

> thrilled to be a part of this very important group.

>

> Look forward to getting into with you all! :) DeeDee

>

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