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welcome to the group.

What state are you in? I'm in PA.

We didn't start the IEP until school age (5). Up until then it was an IFSP but

Nic did attend a program that sounds like yours. Before that all therapies were

in our home.

Looking forward to learning more about your family.

Di

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Hello,

My name is ann and I am Mommy to GBB triplets who are now 2 1/2 years old

(wow, already?). My DD has Down's Syndrome and is about to start the whole IEP

process. She is currently in a school, funded by the regional center, which is

parent participated where she has several kinds of therapy and sessions twice a

week for about two hours (going up to three days a week in July). She isn't

speaking yet, but just got ear tubes, so we are hoping to see progress in that

area. She is the most beautiful little girl, and the light of my life. I mostly

just want to network with as many DS parents as possible so I can make sure I am

doing the most for her, especially in her education.

I hope to get to know all of you and your little blessings very well.

Thank you

ann

www.kwiat3.blogspot.com

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> My motivation for writing and my first question

> is: What suggestions do you all have for base note

> 'must haves'. I have a pretty good selection of

> other notes but feel like I'd like to build up my

> base notes. I have the usual suspects like

> benzoin, labdanum, oak moss, vetiver, patchouli and

> frankincense.

>

> Thanks -

>

> Elise

Hi Elise

I might suggest that you round out your bases by

adding some of the following: clary sage absolute,

lavender concrete, tonka, pine balsam absolute, green

tea absolute, red tea absolute, tobacco absolute,

opoponax. The clary sage absolute and lavender

concrete in particular will be nice in the base if

you're going for something light and floraly or

citrusy. Cheers!

-Patty

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At 03:54 PM 7/3/2006, you wrote:

> My motivation for writing and my first question is: What suggestions

> do you all have for base note 'must haves'. I have a pretty good

> selection of other notes but feel like I'd like to build up my base

> notes. I have the usual suspects like benzoin, labdanum, oak moss,

> vetiver, patchouli and frankincense.

Hi Elise:

Do you have a good book to refer to? Good websites bookmarked? That's

always a good idea. Seaweed absolute, choya (VERY smokey, use minute

amounts), myrrh, cedarwood (yes, it can persist), vanilla, balsam peru,

balsam tolu.

Anya

http://artisannaturalperfumers.com The Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild

http://.com The premier site on Natural Perfume

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At 05:46 PM 7/3/2006, you wrote:

>Hi Elise

>

>I might suggest that you round out your bases by

>adding some of the following: clary sage absolute,

>lavender concrete, tonka, pine balsam absolute, green

>tea absolute, red tea absolute, tobacco absolute,

>opoponax. The clary sage absolute and lavender

>concrete in particular will be nice in the base if

>you're going for something light and floraly or

>citrusy. Cheers!

>

>-Patty

Patty -- someone who is more awake than me and filling in the gaps

beautifully! I want to add beeswax absolute or " bee goo " tincture -- get to

know a beekeeper and ask if they can give you the endcap and soft wax

scrapings when they clean the hive, and plonk it into alcohol, set for six

months, and filter. Great fixative.

Anya

http://artisannaturalperfumers.com The Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild

http://.com The premier site on Natural Perfume

/

Biggest, most dynamic natural perfumery chat group

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>

> Guess which designer perfume these ingredients belong to?

>

> INGREDIENTS: ALCOHOL. PARFUM (FRAGRANCE). BENZYL SALICYLATE.

LIMNENE.

> HYDROXY CITRONELLAL. EUGENOL. LINALOOL. GERANIOL. COUMARIM.

HEXYL CINNAMAL.

> CITRONELLOL. BENZYL BENZOATE. HYDROXYISOHEXYL 3. CYCLOHEXENE

CARBOXALDEHYDE.

> CINNAMYL ALCOHO. EVERNIA FURFURACEA EXTRACT. BENZYLE ALCOHOL.

EVERNIA

> PRUNASTRE EXTRACT. CITRAL.

> ISOEUGENOL. BENZYL CINNAMATE. AMYL CINNAMAL.

>

>

> Since march 11, 2005 the ingredients of all cosmetics, and that

includes perfumes, sold within the EU have to be labeled on the packaging the

7th amendment of the European directive on cosmetics). The very Honorable

Monsieur YSL who always claimed that only natural ingredients were used in his

formulas, sorry I meant compositions, is probably having a nervous breakdown and

is in need of aromatherapy. Sadly enough this perfume contains

> 20 out of the 26 dangerous chemicals the EU lightly calls

allergens that cosmetic manufacturers have to print on the packaging if they are

in the> product. Switzerland is still debating whether it should do the same.

>

> Hi, my name is n and I just joined the group. The group came

to my attention because I am very allergic to almost all commercial

perfumes on the market. I know that there are four years of messages that I am

going to go over before I start asking questions.

Good for you n! I wish the U.S. would adopt the same standards.

I understand that fragrance designers may not want to admit to which essential

oils (and synthetic fragrances) they use (intellectual

property) but they should list the other ingredients. Good for you!

is

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> >

> > Guess which designer perfume these ingredients belong to?

> >

> > INGREDIENTS: ALCOHOL. PARFUM (FRAGRANCE). BENZYL SALICYLATE.

> LIMNENE.

> > HYDROXY CITRONELLAL. EUGENOL. LINALOOL. GERANIOL. COUMARIM.

> HEXYL CINNAMAL.

> > CITRONELLOL. BENZYL BENZOATE. HYDROXYISOHEXYL 3. CYCLOHEXENE

> CARBOXALDEHYDE.

> > CINNAMYL ALCOHO. EVERNIA FURFURACEA EXTRACT. BENZYLE ALCOHOL.

> EVERNIA

> > PRUNASTRE EXTRACT. CITRAL.

> > ISOEUGENOL. BENZYL CINNAMATE. AMYL CINNAMAL.

> >

> >

> > Since march 11, 2005 the ingredients of all cosmetics, and that

> includes perfumes, sold within the EU have to be labeled on the

packaging the 7th amendment of the European directive on cosmetics).

The very Honorable Monsieur YSL who always claimed that only natural

ingredients were used in his formulas, sorry I meant compositions,

is probably having a nervous breakdown and is in need of

aromatherapy. Sadly enough this perfume contains

> > 20 out of the 26 dangerous chemicals the EU lightly calls

> allergens that cosmetic manufacturers have to print on the

packaging if they are in the> product. Switzerland is still debating

whether it should do the same.

> >

> > Hi, my name is n and I just joined the group. The group came

> to my attention because I am very allergic to almost all commercial

> perfumes on the market. I know that there are four years of

messages that I am going to go over before I start asking questions.

>

> Good for you n! I wish the U.S. would adopt the same

standards.

> I understand that fragrance designers may not want to admit to

which essential oils (and synthetic fragrances) they use

(intellectual

> property) but they should list the other ingredients. Good for you!

>

> is

>

This is really a lot of allergens for one composition, but they are

not necessarily all synthetic. Except for amyl cinnamal, hexyl

cinnamal, hydroxycitronellal and hydroxyisohexyl 3-cyclohexene

carboxaldehyde, all of the chemicals listed could be there because

they are natural constituents of essential oils or absolutes. The

two extracts are of course natural.

If you are allergic to any of the naturally-occurring chemicals or

extracts, you could react to a totally natural fragrance contaning

them. Allergies are always concentration-dependent, so below a

certain (unknown) level you will not react, even to something you

are allergic to. Some believe there is a " quenching " effect, where

other natural constituents reduce the potency of alleregens, but

total negation is unlikely, and the evidence that quenching exists

is not very solid. So please don't assume that you cannot react to

natural fragrances.

The are large differences in the potency of the 26 allergens -

oakmoss extract and isoeugenol are VERY much more likely to cause

reactions than, say, farensol or linalool. This was not taken into

account by the EU legislators, who have produced, by any real

scientific standard, an abominable and highly flawed piece of

legislation.

Tisserand

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> Good for you n! I wish the U.S. would adopt the

> same standards.

> I understand that fragrance designers may not want

> to admit to which essential oils (and synthetic

> fragrances) they use (intellectual

> property) but they should list the other

> ingredients. Good for you!

>

> is

HI is,

Welcome to the group! FYI, and for everyone else on

the group, the U.S. FDA does require that ingredients

be listed on cosmetic products, and in a particular

manner. You can read about it on their website at:

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-lab1.html

I believe that only specific fragance ingredients are

exempted, and may simply be referred to as

" fragrance " .

This is important information for all of us to know

when we are making products and selling them to the

public. I have seen an alarming number of products

offered by small companies that don't comply with the

FDA labeling regulations at all, either because they

are unaware of the rules or just think nobody will

care if they don't comply.It's a good set-up for a

lawsuit.

-Patty

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> > Good for you n! I wish the U.S. would adopt the

> > same standards.

> > I understand that fragrance designers may not want

> > to admit to which essential oils (and synthetic

> > fragrances) they use (intellectual

> > property) but they should list the other

> > ingredients. Good for you!

> >

> > is

>

>

> HI is,

>

> Welcome to the group! FYI, and for everyone else on

> the group, the U.S. FDA does require that ingredients

> be listed on cosmetic products, and in a particular

> manner. You can read about it on their website at:

>

> http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-lab1.html

>

> I believe that only specific fragance ingredients are

> exempted, and may simply be referred to as

> " fragrance " .

>

> This is important information for all of us to know

> when we are making products and selling them to the

> public. I have seen an alarming number of products

> offered by small companies that don't comply with the

> FDA labeling regulations at all, either because they

> are unaware of the rules or just think nobody will

> care if they don't comply.It's a good set-up for a

> lawsuit.

>

> -Patty

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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> > > INGREDIENTS: ALCOHOL. PARFUM (FRAGRANCE). BENZYL SALICYLATE.

> > LIMNENE.

> > > HYDROXY CITRONELLAL. EUGENOL. LINALOOL. GERANIOL. COUMARIM.

> > HEXYL CINNAMAL.

> > > CITRONELLOL. BENZYL BENZOATE. HYDROXYISOHEXYL 3. CYCLOHEXENE

> > CARBOXALDEHYDE.

> > > CINNAMYL ALCOHO. EVERNIA FURFURACEA EXTRACT. BENZYLE ALCOHOL.

> > EVERNIA

> > > PRUNASTRE EXTRACT. CITRAL.

> > > ISOEUGENOL. BENZYL CINNAMATE. AMYL CINNAMAL.

> >

> This is really a lot of allergens for one composition, but they are

> not necessarily all synthetic. Except for amyl cinnamal, hexyl

> cinnamal, hydroxycitronellal and hydroxyisohexyl 3-cyclohexene

> carboxaldehyde, all of the chemicals listed could be there because

> they are natural constituents of essential oils or absolutes. The

> two extracts are of course natural.

>

> If you are allergic to any of the naturally-occurring chemicals or

> extracts, you could react to a totally natural fragrance contaning

> them. Allergies are always concentration-dependent, so below a

> certain (unknown) level you will not react, even to something you

> are allergic to. Some believe there is a " quenching " effect, where

> other natural constituents reduce the potency of alleregens, but

> total negation is unlikely, and the evidence that quenching exists

> is not very solid. So please don't assume that you cannot react to

> natural fragrances.

>

> The are large differences in the potency of the 26 allergens -

> oakmoss extract and isoeugenol are VERY much more likely to cause

> reactions than, say, farensol or linalool. This was not taken into

> account by the EU legislators, who have produced, by any real

> scientific standard, an abominable and highly flawed piece of

> legislation.

>

> Tisserand

, I was about to chime in when I saw your post.

I have been studying and experimenting with some natural isolates off

and on, and find that chemical names can be quite intimidating to

some. Afterall everything breaks down to a code somewhere down the

line. Something as simple as water can look like a big ugly monster

when given a long unpronouncable name.

I also agree that many things can cause reaction. I have a great

suspicion that synthetic fragrance oils, isolates (natural and not)

and nature identicals, are less likely to be the culprits, than

say,..... the compound additives, modified stabalizers, boosters,

fixatives, extenders, etc....

Allergic reaction from, Isolates that have been spliced, diced and

thrown back together,

into a compound or new aroma chemical, can be much more difficult to

evaluate , than that of known dermal irritants in basic off the shelf

essential oils.

How much and how often......

What , where is the level of irritation. Only the individual can make

that call. Best to do a skin test, before using products that one

thinks questionable. and just adopt a policy of self policing.

Peace, Z...............

Zz's Petals, Parfume Moderne

http://www.zzspetals.com

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> > > > INGREDIENTS: ALCOHOL. PARFUM (FRAGRANCE). BENZYL SALICYLATE.

> > > LIMNENE.

> > > > HYDROXY CITRONELLAL. EUGENOL. LINALOOL. GERANIOL. COUMARIM.

> > > HEXYL CINNAMAL.

> > > > CITRONELLOL. BENZYL BENZOATE. HYDROXYISOHEXYL 3. CYCLOHEXENE

> > > CARBOXALDEHYDE.

> > > > CINNAMYL ALCOHO. EVERNIA FURFURACEA EXTRACT. BENZYLE ALCOHOL.

> > > EVERNIA

> > > > PRUNASTRE EXTRACT. CITRAL.

> > > > ISOEUGENOL. BENZYL CINNAMATE. AMYL CINNAMAL.

>

> > >

> > This is really a lot of allergens for one composition, but they are

> > not necessarily all synthetic. Except for amyl cinnamal, hexyl

> > cinnamal, hydroxycitronellal and hydroxyisohexyl 3-cyclohexene

> > carboxaldehyde, all of the chemicals listed could be there because

> > they are natural constituents of essential oils or absolutes. The

> > two extracts are of course natural.

> >

> > Tisserand

>

> , I was about to chime in when I saw your post.

> I have been studying and experimenting with some natural isolates off

> and on, and find that chemical names can be quite intimidating to

> some. Afterall everything breaks down to a code somewhere down the

> line. Something as simple as water can look like a big ugly monster

> when given a long unpronouncable name.

This is an excellent point, and to illustrate:

46% 2,6-Dimethyl-2,7-octadien-6-yl ethanoate

44% 2,6-Dimethyl-2,7-octadien-6-ol

3% 5-Methyl-2-(1-methylethenyl)-4-hexen-1-yl ethanoate

2% [1R-(1R*,4E,9S*)]-4,11,11-Trimethyl-8-methylenebicyclo[7.2.0]undec-4-ene

1.5% 4-Methyl-1-(1-methylethyl)-3-cyclohexen-1-ol

1.2% (Z)-3,7-Dimethyl-1,3,6-octatriene

1% endo-1,7,7-Trimethylbicyclo[2.2.1]heptan-2-ol

0.7% ?,?,4-Trimethyl-3-cyclohexene-1-methanol

0.2% 3-octanone

0.1% (E)-3,7-Dimethyl-1,3,6-octatriene

+ trace constituents

Probably sounds pretty chemical and weird, but it's also known as...well, how

about I

throw this open to the group to identify?

> I also agree that many things can cause reaction. I have a great

> suspicion that synthetic fragrance oils, isolates (natural and not)

> and nature identicals, are less likely to be the culprits, than

> say,..... the compound additives, modified stabalizers, boosters,

> fixatives, extenders, etc....

> Allergic reaction from, Isolates that have been spliced, diced and

> thrown back together,

> into a compound or new aroma chemical, can be much more difficult to

> evaluate , than that of known dermal irritants in basic off the shelf

> essential oils.

> How much and how often......

> What , where is the level of irritation. Only the individual can make

> that call. Best to do a skin test, before using products that one

> thinks questionable. and just adopt a policy of self policing.

> Peace, Z...............

>

I can't disagree, though I would add that I do not encourage people to do skin

tests, as

this may either tell you nothing useful, or cause problems, depending on how you

do it.

Some of those new to the group may not appreciate that there is a great

difference

between an isolate (derived from an essential oil) and a synthetic (often a

chemical that

does not occur in nature). Many isolates can also be made synthetically.

I guess one of the reasons we prefer to use naturals is that we are suspicious

of the safety

of chemicals, and many of the synthetics used in commercial fragrances are of

unkown

toxicity. Commercial fragrances very often contain phthalates and synthetic

musks, both

of which can lead to a host of problems, both healthwise and environmental.

There's also

the fact that manufacturing a synthetic chemical takes a lot of energy - it's

usually a

multi-staged process - and produces waste material.

Let's stick with the wonderful creations of nature, while also appreciating that

they are

composed of chemicals.

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Anya <mccoy@...> wrote:

At 05:46 PM 7/3/2006, you wrote:

>Hi Elise

>

>I might suggest that you round out your bases by

>adding some of the following: clary sage absolute,

>lavender concrete, tonka, pine balsam absolute, green

>tea absolute, red tea absolute, tobacco absolute,

>opoponax. The clary sage absolute and lavender

>concrete in particular will be nice in the base if

>you're going for something light and floraly or

>citrusy. Cheers!

>

>-Patty

Patty -- someone who is more awake than me and filling in the gaps

beautifully! I want to add beeswax absolute or " bee goo " tincture -- get to

know a beekeeper and ask if they can give you the endcap and soft wax

scrapings when they clean the hive, and plonk it into alcohol, set for six

months, and filter. Great fixative.

Anya

Hi Patty and Anya -

Thanks for your suggestions! I ordered a number of bases as well as a few

other items. Everything was delivered yesterday and I had a lovely evening

yesterday getting acquainted with all the new scents. I love the deep, dark

intense base notes the best.

My current challenge is to try something herbal or floral and light with

either the clary sage or lavender. I'm not so good with light and herbal

especially.

Smelling like sandalwood today .....

Elise

Hollywood, Fl

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from Lighthouse farms AND ALL THE RECENT NEW MEMBERS, I'd like to WELCOME

each and every one of you and THANK all of you for finding us! As you can see

on the

website, we are now solidly over 400 members! This is quite amazing in such a

short time

and it thrills me to no end. Let's just keep making it better. I hope more of

you will take a

minute and give us a nice introduction like did!

I'm hoping we can get as many of our new members to join us at the upcoming

August

12th FOOD SWAP which is one of our most important events of the year. About 4

times a

year we have this thing called a 'swap " but it's really just a sharing, meeting,

greeting,

putting faces to names, fun event.

Anatomy of a Trad Foods Swap Meet

1) We meet at a nice " green " location, this time a State Park on the

Mississippi. The entire

building is green, recycled, non-toxic and gorgeous!! The park is wonderful too,

bring

walking shoes and binoculars.

2) First off, we have an enormous POT LUCK lunch featuring all these nice items

you hear

about. Bring an entree you are famous for, experimenting with or that's

something that

has come from your garden or other sources. Also bring your own silverware and

dishware

(if possible). We will have clean up facilities and plenty of tables and chairs.

3) Then we have a short program, usually a LECTURE or DISCUSSION about a

particular

farm or food item of interest.

4) Then people who have brought food to SWAP/TRADE or BUY can explain what they

have

and we open it up for whatever anyone wants to do.

5) We never charge for these events but there is always some expense such as

tablecloths,

silverware, plates, and a nominal room use fee. For this will will be PASSING

THE HAT so

bring a few bucks along to keep our Free Range event alive.

Typical " swap " items have included RAW HONEY, EGGS, DUCK EGGS, TROUT, SEASALT,

MAPLE SYRUP, JAMS, SAUERKRAUT, KIM CHEE, SAUCES, DRESSINGS, HERBS, VEGETABLES,

GREENS, BISON, LAMB, GOAT, BEEF, CHICKEN, TURKEY, ALL SORTS OF CHEESES, AND

MUCH MORE. Some times there ares some great NT or related BOOKS available as

well as

other interesting information.

If you have nothing to bring for swapping, just BRING LOTS OF MONEY! Seriously,

you will

NEVER get better food or better prices. Bring coolers and boxes and make sure

none of the

farmers or food bringers go home with what they brought! Oh, and by the way,

this is

open to the public so BRING LOTS OF FRIENDS AND RELATIVES!!!

Incidentally, I am hosting a similar event on that exact day in Illinois and

will sadly be

absent from our event! Ouch, that hurts!!! However Joe, Mark, Therese and many

others

have done a fabulous job on past swaps and are already putting in their

volunteer hours

setting up this next event.

Will Winter

Moderator for Trad Foods MN

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Hi ,

I am new too! I have a 9 month old daughter and I have chosen not to

vaccinate her for the same reasons. Your post has summed up exactly the mental

and emotional debate I have with myself due to others constantly challenging my

decision not " protect " my daughter. I am so disturbed at how health care

professionals, some friends and even family have told me I am a bad mom because

of this choice. And like you even though I know in my heart I am doing the

right thing, I still feel so much anxiety over my decision.

I have been involved in dog rescue and naturalpathic care of my dogs for

several years and I know the hazards and have seen first hand the damage

vaccination can do to animals. I have not vaccinated my pets for over 7 years

so I was not about to rush out and vaccinate my daughter either!

I have joined this list to educate myself and to gain confidence in my

decision not to vaccinate.

Steph

Duran <nicers88@...> wrote:

Hello!

I am new to this group and thrilled to become a part of such a strong and vital

network! I have a 6 year old daughter and 5 month old son. I fully vaccinated my

daughter, with apprehension, and have yet to do so with my son. I chose to

vaccinate my daughter because I was 99% unaware of the dangers and conspiracy

surrounding vaccines, however began to have my doubts when she contracted

shingles at age 2 from the varricella vaccine. Then I had a friend adamant on

not vaccinating her son. I honestly was appalled at her decision because like so

many people I was ill informed and figured the benefits outweighed the risks. I

questioned her and learned of her research. Then when I became pregnant with my

son, I could not escape the truth. The decision not to vaccinate is truly one of

the hardest and most painful decisions to make. My husband is very skeptical of

not vaccinating, although mostly willing to trust and learn with me. No one in

my cirlce of family and friends agree's

with my decision and I admit I am constantly second guessing myself! I innately

KNOW I do not want to vaccinate, yet I am filled with anxiety with the thought I

have left my son suseptible to a killer disease. And although I know the many

reasons and benefits on not vaccinating, I just can't seem to find peace with my

decision.

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Hi Steph,

Welcome and thanks for your reply! It is helpful to know that other mothers

are dealing with the same issues and emotions. After a while you start to feel

so alone in your choice. I was just telling this to another mother that wrote me

also that the health and well being of our children is of utmost importance. And

although like you say, we know about the danger of vaxing, we just just can't

seem to shake the anxiety. I find myself worrying that my son or daughter, as I

quit vaxing her 2 years ago, will contract something dangerous. I hear stories

of children that weren't vaxed that came down with a strain that killed them and

what a shame as that could have been prevented and my heart sinks in my

stomache. So I just keep telling myself I need to make my decision, accept it

for the valid reasons, continue to educate myself as much as possible, create

the most healthy lifestyle for my family, build a strong support network and

then put the rest in God's hands! I think with

the support of this group-it will be much easier! It is also so comforting to

hear of other non vaxed children and how healthy they are! This dispels the myth

and propaganda we are constantly fed. So parents please keep sharing of your

stories about your children and their health, it helps other mothers like me

that are still acclamating to this new choice and lifestyle.

Take care,

Steph MacNeill <rebels_mommy@...> wrote:

Hi ,

I am new too! I have a 9 month old daughter and I have chosen not to vaccinate

her for the same reasons. Your post has summed up exactly the mental and

emotional debate I have with myself due to others constantly challenging my

decision not " protect " my daughter. I am so disturbed at how health care

professionals, some friends and even family have told me I am a bad mom because

of this choice. And like you even though I know in my heart I am doing the right

thing, I still feel so much anxiety over my decision.

I have been involved in dog rescue and naturalpathic care of my dogs for several

years and I know the hazards and have seen first hand the damage vaccination can

do to animals. I have not vaccinated my pets for over 7 years so I was not about

to rush out and vaccinate my daughter either!

I have joined this list to educate myself and to gain confidence in my decision

not to vaccinate.

Steph

Duran <nicers88@...> wrote:

Hello!

I am new to this group and thrilled to become a part of such a strong and vital

network! I have a 6 year old daughter and 5 month old son. I fully vaccinated my

daughter, with apprehension, and have yet to do so with my son. I chose to

vaccinate my daughter because I was 99% unaware of the dangers and conspiracy

surrounding vaccines, however began to have my doubts when she contracted

shingles at age 2 from the varricella vaccine. Then I had a friend adamant on

not vaccinating her son. I honestly was appalled at her decision because like so

many people I was ill informed and figured the benefits outweighed the risks. I

questioned her and learned of her research. Then when I became pregnant with my

son, I could not escape the truth. The decision not to vaccinate is truly one of

the hardest and most painful decisions to make. My husband is very skeptical of

not vaccinating, although mostly willing to trust and learn with me. No one in

my cirlce of family and friends agree's

with my decision and I admit I am constantly second guessing myself! I innately

KNOW I do not want to vaccinate, yet I am filled with anxiety with the thought I

have left my son suseptible to a killer disease. And although I know the many

reasons and benefits on not vaccinating, I just can't seem to find peace with my

decision.

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Hi Michele,

I truly believe that these kind of genetic diseases can be overcome in

following generations by not vaxing. We have a genetic health problem

in our family and we stopeed vaxing our son, due to eczema however. I

do believe that you can reverse the cycle by breastfeeding, dietary

changes and not vaxing.

Ingrid

>

> Hello -

>

> I'm and have three children - 16 yr, 15 yr, 11 weeks. We

have a maternally transmitted, ultimately terminal disease:

mitochondrial cytopathy. We didn't know it was running through my

maternal history until my oldest daughter was muscle biopsied at age

3. You cannot tell that me or my 11-week-old are affected. This is

the same disease that Mattie Stepanek (Oprah's young visionary friend)

had, although they called it a rare form of muscular dystrophy (it is

a cousin to muscular dystrophy and some funding does cover us under

the MDA umbrella).

>

> My 16 yo daughter has severe mental retardation, severe autism, low

tone, and severe scoliosis. My 15 yo has mild MR, mild autism, and a

RAGING seizure disorder.

>

> I knew there was something wrong with my oldest by the time she was

six weeks old. When she turned three she experienced a series of

developmental regressions, the last nearly drawing her completely

inside herself. The autism was diagnosed at that point. My 15 yo

daughter's autism became apparent around the age of five or six.

>

> Autism is a possibility for this disease, although one of the

distant and rare complications. So, no doctor will ever consider the

autism as vax trauma. For a very long time I would've agreed - that

is, until I read the CDC findings that have finally been released by

the Freedom of Information Act that were promptly buried once the

original report was made. My oldest was born in 1989, and my second

daughter in 1991. Do those dates sound familiar??? Yes, that was

when the CDC pushed for a firestorm of increased vaxing filled with

mercury. I am so angry I could spit nails. Like the good little

mommy (um, or was that cattle head?) I followed all the prescribed

vaxes in order to SAVE MY CHILDREN . . . . .! *ominous background

music supplied* I was spoon fed my intellectual decisions back then

and injured my children in the process.

>

> Well, the baby WILL NOT be vaxed. Ever. Because our strain of the

mitochondrial disorder is 100% maternally transmitted, Dr. Shoffner

here in Atlanta will surely be very interested to continue our family

case study, because she is ahead of schedule developmentally. Neither

of my older girls were ever on time.

>

> Because I'm choosing not to vax, though, I want to make sure I stay

on top of new information when it comes time to vocalize my concerns

and legitimize my decision not to vax.

>

> Thank you for allowing me to join and to rant for just a bit!

>

> Fagan Morrow

> ariashheart@...

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I'm so sorry to hear about the disease you mentioned and the problems

that your oldest children have. I'm glad you were able to find this

group.

God bless,

Angie

On Sunday, August 13, 2006, at 08:58 AM, & Morrow wrote:

> Hello -

>

> I'm and have three children - 16 yr, 15 yr, 11 weeks. We have

> a maternally transmitted, ultimately terminal disease: mitochondrial

> cytopathy. We didn't know it was running through my maternal history

> until my oldest daughter was muscle biopsied at age 3. You cannot tell

> that me or my 11-week-old are affected. This is the same disease that

> Mattie Stepanek (Oprah's young visionary friend) had, although they

> called it a rare form of muscular dystrophy (it is a cousin to

> muscular dystrophy and some funding does cover us under the MDA

> umbrella).

>

> My 16 yo daughter has severe mental retardation, severe autism, low

> tone, and severe scoliosis. My 15 yo has mild MR, mild autism, and a

> RAGING seizure disorder.

>

> I knew there was something wrong with my oldest by the time she was

> six weeks old. When she turned three she experienced a series of

> developmental regressions, the last nearly drawing her completely

> inside herself. The autism was diagnosed at that point. My 15 yo

> daughter's autism became apparent around the age of five or six.

>

> Autism is a possibility for this disease, although one of the distant

> and rare complications. So, no doctor will ever consider the autism as

> vax trauma. For a very long time I would've agreed - that is, until I

> read the CDC findings that have finally been released by the Freedom

> of Information Act that were promptly buried once the original report

> was made. My oldest was born in 1989, and my second daughter in 1991.

> Do those dates sound familiar??? Yes, that was when the CDC pushed for

> a firestorm of increased vaxing filled with mercury. I am so angry I

> could spit nails. Like the good little mommy (um, or was that cattle

> head?) I followed all the prescribed vaxes in order to SAVE MY

> CHILDREN . . . . .! *ominous background music supplied* I was spoon

> fed my intellectual decisions back then and injured my children in the

> process.

>

> Well, the baby WILL NOT be vaxed. Ever. Because our strain of the

> mitochondrial disorder is 100% maternally transmitted, Dr. Shoffner

> here in Atlanta will surely be very interested to continue our family

> case study, because she is ahead of schedule developmentally. Neither

> of my older girls were ever on time.

>

> Because I'm choosing not to vax, though, I want to make sure I stay on

> top of new information when it comes time to vocalize my concerns and

> legitimize my decision not to vax.

>

> Thank you for allowing me to join and to rant for just a bit!

>

> Fagan Morrow

> ariashheart@...

>

> Welcome NEW members - please introduce

> yourselves

>

> Hi all,

> Back from traveling for a few days.

>

> I've added many new members - welcome and please introduce yourselves!

>

> You'll learn lots and get lots of support.

> Also start with my webpages

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

>

> and will be starting new classes in the fall

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo2.htm

> Sheri

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> Vaccine Dangers On-Line course -

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> Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

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Hi Debs

Good to see ya on the list!

Enjoy!

Best wishes

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hi guys,

i have just joined the group and must say a hello to you all wherever

you may be. my name is debbie, i am a nurse who has completed medics

offshore training recently. another medic told me about the website so

here i am... i have just finished my third trip offshore so am just

getting to grips with it all.. so to all out there hello and goodbye no

doubt i will cross paths with some of you if not already!! take care

debbie

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Thanks man!!! hope you are ok.. thanks for all your wonderful help... hope you

have good leave... will talk soon... debs

Parkinson <gary.parkinson@...> wrote: Hi Debs

Good to see ya on the list!

Enjoy!

Best wishes

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hi guys,

i have just joined the group and must say a hello to you all wherever

you may be. my name is debbie, i am a nurse who has completed medics

offshore training recently. another medic told me about the website so

here i am... i have just finished my third trip offshore so am just

getting to grips with it all.. so to all out there hello and goodbye no

doubt i will cross paths with some of you if not already!! take care

debbie

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just to say hi debs ,im new tothis forum too ,welcome and good luck in your new

venture.

Barry

debs desouza <doobyq1@...> wrote:

Thanks man!!! hope you are ok.. thanks for all your wonderful help...

hope you have good leave... will talk soon... debs

Parkinson <gary.parkinson@...> wrote: Hi Debs

Good to see ya on the list!

Enjoy!

Best wishes

introduction

hi guys,

i have just joined the group and must say a hello to you all wherever

you may be. my name is debbie, i am a nurse who has completed medics

offshore training recently. another medic told me about the website so

here i am... i have just finished my third trip offshore so am just

getting to grips with it all.. so to all out there hello and goodbye no

doubt i will cross paths with some of you if not already!! take care

debbie

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My old ped. kept referring me to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia site.

It's only the MOST pro-vaccine site there is. That's when I left.

Welcome,

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Yep, that's the one I was referred to as well. I got so mad reading it.

It had this whole attitude: oh, you silly parents! Stop worrying about

this stuff and TRUST us!!! I printed out some of the info and ended up

writing all kinds of snide remarks in the margins. At any rate, it

never gave me what I wanted: hard statistics on how many cases and

deaths of each illness on the LAST year before kids were vaxed, current

rates so I could compare to current rates (probably estimates only) of

serious damage by each vax. Nobody wants to give you actual numbers. Or

they say " 10 people contracted this illness and two died, " but they

don't tell you if they were children or not, which is important since

some of the illnesses can be quite worse in adults. They often don't

tell you if the people who got it were vaxxed, or if they had other

problems, like were they immunocompromised. -Angie

On Tuesday, September 26, 2006, at 04:09 PM, Sheri B. wrote:

> My old ped. kept referring me to the Children's Hospital of

> Philadelphia site. It's only the MOST pro-vaccine site there is.

> That's when I left.

>

> Welcome,

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out.

>

>

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> Hi,

>

> My name is Eva and I live in Ireland with my husband and 2 year old

> daughter, I am in awe of the amount of experience on this list so

you may

> not hear much for me. My background is mostly in herbology and medical

> aromatherapy though I have aquired an interest in perfumes in the

last year

> or so. I am a dedicated dilettante when it comes to scent, perhaps

one day

> I will have the chance to aquire more expert knowledge maybe even

attend a

> formal class.

>

> Eva

Well how're ya Eva agus ta failte!

(Irish for welcome for all of you *non* Irish members, GLOAT :)

We're thin on the ground in this group, although I think Anya our

lovely group Mother has a bit of the old Irish stock in her boy!!!

Anyway, you couldn't be in safer hands. You probably aren't Irish at

all I'm just thinking, but sure there is an old Irish belief that

anyone who steps foot on Irish soil, even for a minute gets a bit o'

the blood of the land in their veins ( I just made that up! but it

sounds good) anyway I'm totally mad, I love making real perfume and I

love this group.

Ruth from Galway, Ireland

http://www.whitewitch.ie

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ruth wrote:

> We're thin on the ground in this group, although I think Anya our

> lovely group Mother has a bit of the old Irish stock in her boy!!!

I actually wrote that,it looks so nuts, but it is to be said with an

Irish accent...a bit o' the aoul Irish shtock in her baye! It does not

mean in her 'boy' HA HA HA I crack myself up!

Ruth

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On 9/28/06, Ruth Ruane <ruth@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Well how're ya Eva agus ta failte!

> (Irish for welcome for all of you *non* Irish members, GLOAT :)

> We're thin on the ground in this group, although I think Anya our

> lovely group Mother has a bit of the old Irish stock in her boy!!!

> Anyway, you couldn't be in safer hands. You probably aren't Irish at

> all I'm just thinking, but sure there is an old Irish belief that

> anyone who steps foot on Irish soil, even for a minute gets a bit o'

> the blood of the land in their veins ( I just made that up! but it

> sounds good) anyway I'm totally mad, I love making real perfume and I

> love this group.

>

I'm actually German by birth but moved to Ireland when I was 8 years old,

since then I have spent more time in Germany and 12 years in the United

States and have just returned to Ireland a year ago. I imported my american

husband who still has a somewhat bemused expression on his face.

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