Re: [OT] diet for newborn

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In a message dated 7/4/00 7:31:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, camermer@...

writes:

<<

There is no substitute for raw, pure human milk. However, there are several

human milk banks across the US, which store human milk. However, the milk

is patuerized, which destroys many of the enzymes and proteins.

>>

See if some local mom will donate some of her milk.

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I went back to a list I used to be on last year to find this.She had emailed

me the exact amounts they used,but I don't have that part anymore.She admits

bm(breastmilk <g>) is best ofcourse,but found this to be a good sub. for her

gs atleast.I could find her addy and ask for more info if needed.

<<<<

I'm just catching the tail end of this thread, so forgive me for adding my

..02 worth, but just maybe this information will be of interest to the woman

asking about goats milk.

My grandson was born very sick and had trouble keep his formula down, we

switched and tried several and the problem persisted. It is my belief that

because he was placed on antibiotics shortly after birth, it killed the

friendly bacteria his stomach needed. As a result he wasn't doing well on

the formula.

When speaking with a friend he loaned me a book called, I believe it was

" Raising a healthy child " or something close to that, it was an older book,

well used. It contained several recipes for making formula, and it had

nutritional charts explaining what a healthy child needed to not only grow

strong, but to enhance his learning potential.

Much to my dismay I discovered quite by accident that commercial formula's

on the market do not provide proper nutrition for infants. I was shocked,

angry and disillusioned to say the least. I decided then an there to do

something about it.

After much research to ensure my grandson would get the proper nutrients,

vitamins, minerals, trace minerals, etc... I began making my own formula,

which I would make minor adjustments daily to reach optimum results.

In a blender I would mix: goats milk, enriched rice milk, Cal Mag, Liquid

vitamin C, Black strap molasses, a daily liquid children's vitamin, trace

minerals, liquid acidophilus, flax seed oil, and wheat germ. I would make

32 oz. for him each morning. He also drank plenty of water, various juices

(most of which we watered down.) When he was older I'd add about a tsp. of

ovaltine for a treat, he loved that even more. To this day he drinks a

bottle of goats milk everyday, and I often use flax seed oil instead of

margarine or butter when I cook, it tastes great and it's healthier for you

After just two weeks on this formula his own doctor couldn't believe it was

the same child. He was bright eyed, attentive, calm and happy. The change

was remarkable and everyone who knew him noticed the difference right away.

It shocked me so much, I swore some how I would manage to keep him on it

(it's expensive to say the least), and we did manage. It took a little time

to get the formula just right and we did adjust the flax seed oil amount

daily depending on his stool. Goats milk can tend to bind them up, the flax

seed oil works great and it's very healthy. You do have to be very careful

with the wheat germ, the first time I gave it to him he was blowing bubbles,

he got less than 1/8 tsp. in 32 oz. of formula.

I must also add I am NOT a medical doctor and I have no degree's I am just a

concerned parent who wanted to make sure her grandson had a good start.

Everyone knows mother's milk is best, sometimes we have to settle for second

best and I believe this was it. I do not know if there is MSG in Goats

milk(I was asking about the MSG), but I don't believe there is, to my

knowledge it is only pasteurized.

Many children with allergies have had great success with goats milk.

Sorry this ended up being so long. Feel free to contact me directly if you

would like more information.

>>>>>>>>>>>

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I was unable to breastfeed any of my children. All of my kids were on Similac

w/ Iron. I also started Gerber Barley cereal at the age of 3-4 weeks with my

last two kids (pediatrician recommended of course). My kids were growing so

fast that formula alone wasn't enough for them. Not sure what everyone else

has used, but I had good luck with those to start.

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That home made formula sounds much better than trying to ask for another

person to supply someone with breastmilk.

Just my two cents

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In a message dated 7/4/00 8:27:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

MomToAnAngel93@... writes:

<<

That home made formula sounds much better than trying to ask for another

person to supply someone with breastmilk. >>

Maybe the 2 together would be the best,if possible, if the mom can not bf

and/or the baby has health problems.

Who is this for anyway ?

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There is no substitute for raw, pure human milk. However, there are several

human milk banks across the US, which store human milk. However, the milk

is patuerized, which destroys many of the enzymes and proteins.

Cory

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I have also heard, although I have no idea about this, that there may be

some synthetic hormones that can stimulate lactation.

Cory

Re: [OT] diet for newborn

> In a message dated 7/4/00 7:31:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

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> writes:

>

> <<

> There is no substitute for raw, pure human milk. However, there are

several

> human milk banks across the US, which store human milk. However, the

milk

> is patuerized, which destroys many of the enzymes and proteins.

> >>

> See if some local mom will donate some of her milk.

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At 10:02 PM 07/04/2000 -0400, you wrote:

>Can anyone recommend a substitute for breastmilk?

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Thanks very much.

On Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:43:59 EDT nnu29@... writes:

> In a message dated 7/4/00 7:31:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> camermer@...

> writes:

>

> <<

> There is no substitute for raw, pure human milk. However, there

> are several

> human milk banks across the US, which store human milk. However,

> the milk

> is patuerized, which destroys many of the enzymes and proteins.

> >>

> See if some local mom will donate some of her milk.

>

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Thanks to everyone. Lots of good suggestions. I'll pass it along to the

mom who had asked me.

gary

On Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:11:22 EDT nnu29@... writes:

> I went back to a list I used to be on last year to find this.She had

> emailed

> me the exact amounts they used,but I don't have that part

> anymore.She admits

> bm(breastmilk <g>) is best ofcourse,but found this to be a good sub.

> for her

> gs atleast.I could find her addy and ask for more info if needed.

> <<<<

> I'm just catching the tail end of this thread, so forgive me for

> adding my

> .02 worth, but just maybe this information will be of interest to

> the woman

> asking about goats milk.

>

> My grandson was born very sick and had trouble keep his formula

> down, we

> switched and tried several and the problem persisted. It is my

> belief that

> because he was placed on antibiotics shortly after birth, it killed

> the

> friendly bacteria his stomach needed. As a result he wasn't doing

> well on

> the formula.

>

> When speaking with a friend he loaned me a book called, I believe it

> was

> " Raising a healthy child " or something close to that, it was an

> older book,

> well used. It contained several recipes for making formula, and it

> had

> nutritional charts explaining what a healthy child needed to not

> only grow

> strong, but to enhance his learning potential.

>

> Much to my dismay I discovered quite by accident that commercial

> formula's

> on the market do not provide proper nutrition for infants. I was

> shocked,

> angry and disillusioned to say the least. I decided then an there to

> do

> something about it.

>

> After much research to ensure my grandson would get the proper

> nutrients,

> vitamins, minerals, trace minerals, etc... I began making my own

> formula,

> which I would make minor adjustments daily to reach optimum results.

>

> In a blender I would mix: goats milk, enriched rice milk, Cal Mag,

> Liquid

> vitamin C, Black strap molasses, a daily liquid children's vitamin,

> trace

> minerals, liquid acidophilus, flax seed oil, and wheat germ. I would

> make

> 32 oz. for him each morning. He also drank plenty of water, various

> juices

> (most of which we watered down.) When he was older I'd add about a

> tsp. of

> ovaltine for a treat, he loved that even more. To this day he drinks

> a

> bottle of goats milk everyday, and I often use flax seed oil instead

> of

> margarine or butter when I cook, it tastes great and it's healthier

> for you

>

> After just two weeks on this formula his own doctor couldn't believe

> it was

> the same child. He was bright eyed, attentive, calm and happy. The

> change

> was remarkable and everyone who knew him noticed the difference

> right away.

> It shocked me so much, I swore some how I would manage to keep him

> on it

> (it's expensive to say the least), and we did manage. It took a

> little time

> to get the formula just right and we did adjust the flax seed oil

> amount

> daily depending on his stool. Goats milk can tend to bind them up,

> the flax

> seed oil works great and it's very healthy. You do have to be very

> careful

> with the wheat germ, the first time I gave it to him he was blowing

> bubbles,

> he got less than 1/8 tsp. in 32 oz. of formula.

>

> I must also add I am NOT a medical doctor and I have no degree's I

> am just a

> concerned parent who wanted to make sure her grandson had a good

> start.

> Everyone knows mother's milk is best, sometimes we have to settle

> for second

> best and I believe this was it. I do not know if there is MSG in

> Goats

> milk(I was asking about the MSG), but I don't believe there is, to

> my

> knowledge it is only pasteurized.

> Many children with allergies have had great success with goats milk.

>

> Sorry this ended up being so long. Feel free to contact me directly

> if you

> would like more information.

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>

>

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In a message dated 7/4/00 10:18:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gk-cfic@...

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<< Can anyone recommend a substitute for breastmilk? >>

The only acceptable alternative to breastmilk is formula. There is NO

substitute as their is just nothing anywhere near as good. Is there a reason

your are looking for something else?

Since this is the vaccination board and we are all very concerned with health

and foriegn matters going into us/our children. I feel compelled to tell you

that as far as things our body should have/not have, breastmilk is species

specific to humans and newborns are meant to have this as the next stage of

development after pregnancy. The amount of protein and so forth is

specifically set to human babies.

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That's way too early to give them starch. But thanks.

On Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:23:15 EDT MomToAnAngel93@... writes:

> I was unable to breastfeed any of my children. All of my kids were on

> Similac

> w/ Iron. I also started Gerber Barley cereal at the age of 3-4 weeks

> with my

> last two kids (pediatrician recommended of course). My kids were

> growing so

> fast that formula alone wasn't enough for them. Not sure what

> everyone else

> has used, but I had good luck with those to start.

>

>

> M from Michigan

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In a message dated 7/4/00 11:12:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nnu29@...

writes:

<< In a blender I would mix: goats milk >>

It was believed at one point that goats milk was " similar " to human milk and

this was a trend. It definately is not safe for infants to get a formula of

goats milk. As much as I don't like the idea of not breastfeeding, for

anyone who simply won't, a premixed formula, bad as it is, is the only

acceptable alternativee.

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it's for a mom whose baby had to have intestinal operations and the docs

put the baby on a special formula that hte mom is afraid to stry from.

Despite the fact that there's cholic, and I suspect diarhea.

Does anyone think that freshly made veg-fruit juice would be harmful?

On Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:30:18 EDT nnu29@... writes:

> In a message dated 7/4/00 8:27:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> MomToAnAngel93@... writes:

>

> <<

> That home made formula sounds much better than trying to ask for

> another

> person to supply someone with breastmilk. >>

>

> Maybe the 2 together would be the best,if possible, if the mom can

> not bf

> and/or the baby has health problems.

> Who is this for anyway ?

>

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In a message dated 7/5/00 4:07:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gk-cfic@...

writes:

<< Does anyone think that freshly made veg-fruit juice would be harmful? >>

Yes, definately. How old is the baby? Up until at least one year of age, an

infant's diet should be mainly milk, or an acceptable alternative.

Second, for a child with any kind of intestinal problem, bm is the very best

thing for it. THis mother could try to relactate using a Lact-aid system.

It's something she'd hand around her neck, attach to her breast and the baby

would get the formula/or donated bm from the tube. It would stimulate the

mother to begin lactating and she could continually lower the amount of milk

in teh lact-aid 1/2 ounce every few days/weeks until she eventually is

nursing on her own. If she is interested in this, have her call a LLL leader

for help.

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In a message dated 7/5/00 4:58:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, teresav26@...

writes:

<< It would stimulate the

mother to begin lactating and she could continually lower the amount of milk

in teh lact-aid 1/2 ounce every few days/weeks until she eventually is

nursing on her own. If she is interested in this, have her call a LLL leader

for help. >>

considering the child had a operation the mothers own milk would indeed be

the best since doesn't it*change* acccording to the needs of the

child????Thats what I have heard.Regardlss I hope she gives that a try.Those

*special* formulas are such a rip off.

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In a message dated 7/5/00 8:48:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nnu29@...

writes:

<< considering the child had a operation the mothers own milk would indeed be

the best since doesn't it*change* acccording to the needs of the

child???? >>

Exactly! I can't believe the doctor under such circumstances isn't

encouraging the mother to try , or at least getting milk from a milk bank!

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At 03:54 AM 07/05/2000 -0400, you wrote:

>it's for a mom whose baby had to have intestinal operations and the docs

>put the baby on a special formula that hte mom is afraid to stry from.

>Despite the fact that there's cholic, and I suspect diarhea.

>

>Does anyone think that freshly made veg-fruit juice would be harmful?

>

>

>

I wouldn't use fruit juice - intestines can be very touchy especially if

problems already. The breastmilk would be so healing, its too bad no one

comprehends that.

Sheri

>

>On Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:30:18 EDT nnu29@... writes:

>> In a message dated 7/4/00 8:27:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

>> MomToAnAngel93@... writes:

>>

>> <<

>> That home made formula sounds much better than trying to ask for

>> another

>> person to supply someone with breastmilk. >>

>>

>> Maybe the 2 together would be the best,if possible, if the mom can

>> not bf

>> and/or the baby has health problems.

>> Who is this for anyway ?

>>

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wrote:

> Does anyone think that freshly made veg-fruit juice would be

harmful?

For an infant, yes. Many vegetables and fruits are allergenic.

Peas, citrus fruits, corn, etc. Even vegetarians must eat a specific

balance of foods to get the proper nutrition; an infant with the

allergenic restrictions would not be able to get appropriate

nutrients. And once a child has a true food allergy, it never goes

away. Believe me, the parent (and child) does not want to go down

the road of scrutinizing ingredients if they can avoid that.

Also, as others have written, fruit juices are hard on the

intestines. It's one reason we avoid fruit juices when we have

stomach bugs.

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My sister helped me nurse my baby... I had to take steroids to shrink a

polyp that enlarged in my nostril during my pregnancy... and, I wasn't

too thrilled with having her nurse while I was on that ...so, my sister

nursed her a few times a day for me:)

On Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:26:29 EDT MomToAnAngel93@... writes:

> That home made formula sounds much better than trying to ask for

> another

> person to supply someone with breastmilk.

> Just my two cents

>

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I totally agree. But there are people who can't produce milk, and perhaps

can't get it elsewhere. If that's the case, what would one feed an infant

that is the least inferior?

That's the way I should have posed the question originally. My apologies.

gary

On Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:47:18 EDT teresav26@... writes:

> In a message dated 7/4/00 10:18:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> gk-cfic@...

> writes:

>

> << Can anyone recommend a substitute for breastmilk? >>

> The only acceptable alternative to breastmilk is formula. There is

> NO

> substitute as their is just nothing anywhere near as good. Is there

> a reason

> your are looking for something else?

> Since this is the vaccination board and we are all very concerned

> with health

> and foriegn matters going into us/our children. I feel compelled to

> tell you

> that as far as things our body should have/not have, breastmilk is

> species

> specific to humans and newborns are meant to have this as the next

> stage of

> development after pregnancy. The amount of protein and so forth is

> specifically set to human babies.

>

>

>

> www.diapers.bizland.com

>

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I have to respectfully disagree with this response. I agree that certain

juices can cause problems but with everything in life I don't think all

of any one way is the answer. My daughter developed colic. We believe

it stems from the hep B vaccine reaction that she had which included

abdominal pains/cramps, among other things. Our regular pediatrician's

solution was to change diet (did not help), supplement with formula (soy

because of milk allergies in family.) Well, if anyone knows about soy

it actually is known to be very difficult to digest for young children,

particularly infants. We went to our naturopathic dr. Her solution was

to give 1 oz. fresh organic carrot juice with 1 oz. water (we started

out with 1/2 oz. each when she was 2 weeks old). The carrot juice was a

godsend. You could always tell when she had drank just a couple oz. of

the juice because the gas that was causing the colic would come out very

easily AND quickly out either her mouth (burp) or rear (fart). Either

way, patting/rubbing of her back was unnecessary because the juice was

so successful. Of course, one can not 'patent' juice. There were other

suggestions offered by the N.D. such as certain teas (made very weak),

homeopathic remedies, etc. BUT, the juice by far was what saved us from

becoming TOTALLY insane. As with anything, I think it could be useful

when used for a purpose. DEFINATELY, I would use organic so the child

isn't getting all the pesticides. Fruit juices, especially citric,

would be a concern for me because of the acidity....

in CT

Rizzo wrote:

>

> wrote:

> > Does anyone think that freshly made veg-fruit juice would be

> harmful?

>

> For an infant, yes. Many vegetables and fruits are allergenic.

> Peas, citrus fruits, corn, etc. Even vegetarians must eat a specific

> balance of foods to get the proper nutrition; an infant with the

> allergenic restrictions would not be able to get appropriate

> nutrients. And once a child has a true food allergy, it never goes

> away. Believe me, the parent (and child) does not want to go down

> the road of scrutinizing ingredients if they can avoid that.

>

> Also, as others have written, fruit juices are hard on the

> intestines. It's one reason we avoid fruit juices when we have

> stomach bugs.

>

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To everyone:

Thanks for the good info. The mom I was asking for is the daughter of my

friend. There's a lot I have to find out yet. But as a Hygienist for over

20 years, I knew that breast milk is best by far. What I didn't know was

all the other options that a mom could do to induce lactation, or

otherwise obtain BM. And I'm also glad I asked about fresh veg juice. I

might have recommended it, not knowing about the allergy risks and such.

Anyway, I printed out all the comments that everyone made. I think I have

enough info to speak to her and feel confident about what to recommend.

This list is great when one needs quick info and a consensus on

appropriate health decisions. Thanks very much for all your

contributions. It's up to this mother now how far she wants to go with

it. And I'll help her if she wants to make the effort.

Now, let's get off this before starts scolding me for diverting us

from vaccination!!

On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:25:15 -0700 Levy <1levy1@...> writes:

> ,

>

> Do you mind if I ask why you need a breastmilk substitute? There

> are,

> of course, no substitutes. Even if you can find a formula that the

> baby

> can tolerate, the baby is likely to develop problems as a result of

> not

> being given breastmilk. There are ways to induce lactation in a

> woman,

> and milk banks are another great option. There are very few reasons

> why

> a mother shouldn't be able to breastfeed, one of them, of course,

> being

> if she is not available or has passed away (my sympathy and

> apologies if

> this is the case), and others being if she has to take a life-saving

> drug that is absolutely contraindicated during nursing (there are

> very

> few of these). Hope this helps (I'm sure it doesn't; I haven't

> answered

> your question).

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thanks. it's hard to imagine carrot juice being a problem. Maybe cucumber

or some others are good too? (rhetorical)

gary

On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 23:38:55 -0400 <lisa@...> writes:

> I have to respectfully disagree with this response. I agree that

> certain

> juices can cause problems but with everything in life I don't think

> all

> of any one way is the answer. My daughter developed colic. We

> believe

> it stems from the hep B vaccine reaction that she had which included

> abdominal pains/cramps, among other things. Our regular

> pediatrician's

> solution was to change diet (did not help), supplement with formula

> (soy

> because of milk allergies in family.) Well, if anyone knows about

> soy

> it actually is known to be very difficult to digest for young

> children,

> particularly infants. We went to our naturopathic dr. Her solution

> was

> to give 1 oz. fresh organic carrot juice with 1 oz. water (we

> started

> out with 1/2 oz. each when she was 2 weeks old). The carrot juice

> was a

> godsend. You could always tell when she had drank just a couple oz.

> of

> the juice because the gas that was causing the colic would come out

> very

> easily AND quickly out either her mouth (burp) or rear (fart).

> Either

> way, patting/rubbing of her back was unnecessary because the juice

> was

> so successful. Of course, one can not 'patent' juice. There were

> other

> suggestions offered by the N.D. such as certain teas (made very

> weak),

> homeopathic remedies, etc. BUT, the juice by far was what saved us

> from

> becoming TOTALLY insane. As with anything, I think it could be

> useful

> when used for a purpose. DEFINATELY, I would use organic so the

> child

> isn't getting all the pesticides. Fruit juices, especially citric,

> would be a concern for me because of the acidity....

> in CT

>

> Rizzo wrote:

> >

> > wrote:

> > > Does anyone think that freshly made veg-fruit juice would be

> > harmful?

> >

> > For an infant, yes. Many vegetables and fruits are allergenic.

> > Peas, citrus fruits, corn, etc. Even vegetarians must eat a

> specific

> > balance of foods to get the proper nutrition; an infant with the

> > allergenic restrictions would not be able to get appropriate

> > nutrients. And once a child has a true food allergy, it never

> goes

> > away. Believe me, the parent (and child) does not want to go down

> > the road of scrutinizing ingredients if they can avoid that.

> >

> > Also, as others have written, fruit juices are hard on the

> > intestines. It's one reason we avoid fruit juices when we have

> > stomach bugs.

> >

> >

> >

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i would MUCH rather have natural breastmilk (if i was unable to produce it

myself) for my babies--even if it had to come from someone else.

please--anything but formula!!