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WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE and the MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS FOUNDATION F.D.A.

ISSUING FOR COLLUSION WITH MONSANTOIII

Article written by Markle (1120197)

I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE on

" ASPARTAME marketed as 'NutraSweet', 'Equal', and 'Spoonful " '. In the

keynote address by the EPA, they announced that there was an epidemic of

multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus, and they did not understand what

toxin was causing this to be rampant across the United States. I explained

that I was there to lecture on exactly that subject.

When the temperature of Aspartame exceeds 86 degrees F, the wood alcohol in

ASPARTAME coverts to formaldehyde and then to formic acid, which in turn

causes metabolic acidosis. (Formic acid is the poison found in the sting of

fire ants). The methanol toxicity mimics multiple sclerosis; thus people

were being diagnosed with having multiple sclerosis in error. The multiple

sclerosis is not a death sentence, where methanol toxicity is.

In the case of systemic lupus, we are finding it has become almost as

rampant as multiple sclerosis, especially Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi

drinkers.

Also, with methanol toxicity, the victims usually drink three to four 12 oz.

cans of them per day, some even more. In the cases of systemic lupus, which

is triggered by ASPARTAME, the victim usually does not know that the

aspartame is the culprit The victim continues its use aggravating the lupus

to such a degree, that sometimes it becomes life threatening. When we get

people off the aspartame, those with systemic lupus usually become

asymptomatic. Unfortunately, we can not reverse this disease.

On the other hand, in the case of those diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis,

(when in reality, the disease is methanol toxicity), most of the symptoms

disappear. We have seen cases where their vision has returned and even their

hearing has returned. This also applies to cases of tinnitus.

During a lecture I said " If you are using ASPARTAME (NutraSweet, Equal,

Spoonful, etc.) and you suffer from fibromyalgia symptoms, spasms, shooting

pains, numbness in your legs, cramps, vertigo, dizziness, headaches,

tinnitus, joint pain, depression, anxiety attacks, slurred speech, blurred

vision, or memory loss-you probably have ASPARTAME DISEASE! " People were

jumping up during the lecture saying, " I've got this, is it reversible? "

It is rampant. Some of the speakers at my lecture even were suffering from

these symptoms. In one lecture attended by the Ambassador of Uganda, he told

us that their sugar industry is adding aspartame! He continued by saying

that one of the industry leader's son could no longer walk - due in part by

product usage!

We have a very serious problem. Even a stranger came up to Dr. Espisto (one

of my speakers) and myself and said, 'Could you tell me why so many people

seem to be coming down with MS?11 During a visit to a hospice, a nurse said

that six of her friends, who were heavy Diet Coke addicts, had all been

diagnosed with MS. This is beyond coincidence.

Here is the problem:

There were Congressional Hearings when aspartame was included in 100

different products. Since this initial hearing, there have been two

subsequent hearings, but to no avail. Nothing has been done. The drug and

chemical lobbies have very deep pockets. Now there are over 5,000 products

containing this chemical, and the PATENT HAS EXPIRED!!!!! At the time of

this first hearing, people were going blind. The methanol in the aspartame

converts to formaldehyde in the retina of the eye. Formaldehyde is grouped

in the same class of drugs as cyanide and arsenic-DEADLY POISONS!!!

Unfortunately, it just takes longer to quietly kill, but it is killing

people and causing all kinds of neurological problems.

Aspartame changes the brain's chemistry. It is the reason for severe

seizures. This drug changes the dopamine level in the brain. Imagine what

this drug does to patients suffering from Parkinson's Disease. This drug

also causes Birth Defects.

There is absolutely no reason to take this product. It is NOT A DIET

PRODUCT!!! The Congressional record said, " It makes you crave carbohydrates

and will make you FAT " . Dr. stated that when he got patients off

aspartame, their average weight loss was 19 pounds per person. The

formaldehyde stores in the fat cells, particularly in the hips and thighs.

Aspartame is especially deadly for diabetics. All physicians know what wood

alcohol will do to a diabetic. We find that physicians believe that they

have patients with retinopathy, when in fact, it is caused by the aspartame.

The aspartame keeps the blood sugar level out of control, causing many

patients to go into a coma. Unfortunately, many have died. People were

telling us at the Conference of the American College of Physicians, that

they had relatives that switched from saccharin to an aspartame product and

how that relative had eventually gone into a coma. Their physicians could

not get the blood sugar levels under control. Thus, the patients suffered

acute memory loss and eventually coma and death. Memory loss is due to the

fact that aspartic acid and phenylalanine are neurotoxic without the other

amino acids found in protein. Thus it goes past the blood brain barrier and

deteriorates the neurons of the brain. Dr. Blaylock, neurosurgeon,

said, " The ingredients stimulates the neurons of the brain to death, causing

brain damage of varying degrees.

Dr. Blaylock has written a book entitled " EXCITOTOXINS: THE TASTE THAT

KILLS " (Health Press 1-800-643-2665). Dr. H.J. , diabetic specialist

and world expert on aspartame poisoning, has also written a book entitled

" DEFENSE AGAINST ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE " (1-800-814-9800). Dr. tells

how aspartame poisoning is escalating Alzheimer's Disease, and indeed it is.

As the hospice nurse told me, women are being admitted at 30 years of age

with Alzheimer's Disease. Dr. Blaylock and Dr. will be writing a

position paper with some case histories and will post it on the Internet.

According to the Conference of the American College of Physicians, 'We are

talking about a plague of neurological diseases caused by this deadly

poison " .

Dr. realized what was happening when aspartame was first marketed.

He said " his diabetic patients presented memory loss, confusion, and severe

vision loss " . At the Conference of the American College of Physicians,

doctors admitted that they did not know. They had wondered why seizures were

rampant (the phenylalanine in aspartame breaks down the seizure threshold

and depletes serotonin, which causes manic depression, panic attacks, rage

and violence).

Just before the Conference, I received a FAX from Norway, asking for a

possible antidote for this poison because they are experiencing so many

problems in their country. This poison is now available in 90 PLUS countries

worldwide. Fortunately, we had speakers and ambassadors at the Conference

from different nations who have pledged their help. We ask that you help

too. Print this article out and warn everyone you know. Take anything that

contains aspartame back to the store. Take the " NO ASPARTAME TEST " and send

us your case history. I assure you that MONSANTO, the creator of aspartame,

knows how deadly it is. They fund the American Diabetes Association,

American Dietetic Association, Congress, and the Conference of the American

College of Physicians. The New York Times, on November 15, 1996, ran an

article on how the American Dietetic Association takes money from the food

industry to endorse their products. Therefore, they can not criticize any

additives or tell about their link to MONSANTO. How bad is this? We told a

mother who had a child on NutraSweet to get off the product. The child was

having grand mal seizures every day. The mother called her physician, who

called the ADA, who told the doctor not to take the child off the

NutraSweet. We are still trying to convince the mother that the aspartame

is causing the seizures. Every time we get someone off of aspartame, the

seizures stop. If the baby dies, you know whose fault it is, and what we are

up against. There are 92 documented symptoms of aspartame, from coma to

death. The majority of them are all neurological, because the aspartame

destroys the nervous system.

Aspartame Disease is partially the cause to what is behind some of the

mystery of the Dessert Storm health problems. The burning tongue and other

problems discussed in over 60 cases can be directly related to the

consumption of an aspartame product. Several thousand pallets of diet drinks

were shipped to the Dessert Storm troops. (Remember heat can liberate the

methanol from the aspartame at 86 degrees F). Diet drinks sat in the 120

degree F. Arabian sun for weeks at a time on pallets. The service men and

women drank them all day long. All of their symptoms are identical to

aspartame poisoning. Dr. says " consuming aspartame at the time of

conception can cause birth defects " . The phenylalanine concentrates in the

placenta, causing mental retardation, according to Dr. Louis Elsas,

Pediatrician Professor - Genetics, at Emory University in his testimony

before Congress.

In the original lab tests, animals developed brain tumors (phenylalanine

breaks down into DXP, a brain tumor agent). When Dr. Espisto was ecturing on

aspartame me, one physician in the audience, a neurosurgeon, said, " when

they remove brain tumors, they have found high levels of aspartame in them " .

Stevia, a sweet food, NOT AN ADDITIVE, which helps in the metabolism of

sugar, which would be ideal for diabetics, has now been approved as a

dietary supplement by the F.D.A. For years, the F.D.A. has outlawed this

sweet food because of their loyalty to MONSANTO.

If it says " SUGAR FREE " on the label - DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!

Senator Hetzenbaum wrote a bill that would have warned all infants,

pregnant mothers and children of the dangers of aspartame. The bill would

have also instituted independent studies on the problems existing in the

population (seizures, changes in brain chemistry, changes in neurological

and behavioral symptoms). It was killed by the powerful drug and chemical

lobbies, letting loose the hounds of disease and death on an unsuspecting

public. Since the Conference of the American College of Physicians, we hope

to have the help of some world leaders. Again, please help us too.

There are a lot of people out there who must be warned, please let them know

this information.

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Interesting, but are there any references to back any of these claims up?

Such as how to get in touch with Markle or where this was published?

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> WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE and the MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS FOUNDATION

> F.D.A.

> ISSUING FOR COLLUSION WITH MONSANTOIII

>

> Article written by Markle (1120197)

>

> I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE

> on

> " ASPARTAME marketed as 'NutraSweet', 'Equal', and 'Spoonful " '. In the

> keynote address by the EPA, they announced that there was an epidemic of

> multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus, and they did not understand what

> toxin was causing this to be rampant across the United States. I explained

> that I was there to lecture on exactly that subject.

>

> When the temperature of Aspartame exceeds 86 degrees F, the wood alcohol

> in

> ASPARTAME coverts to formaldehyde and then to formic acid, which in turn

> causes metabolic acidosis. (Formic acid is the poison found in the sting

> of

> fire ants). The methanol toxicity mimics multiple sclerosis; thus people

> were being diagnosed with having multiple sclerosis in error. The multiple

> sclerosis is not a death sentence, where methanol toxicity is.

>

> In the case of systemic lupus, we are finding it has become almost as

> rampant as multiple sclerosis, especially Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi

> drinkers.

>

> Also, with methanol toxicity, the victims usually drink three to four 12

> oz.

> cans of them per day, some even more. In the cases of systemic lupus,

> which

> is triggered by ASPARTAME, the victim usually does not know that the

> aspartame is the culprit The victim continues its use aggravating the

> lupus

> to such a degree, that sometimes it becomes life threatening. When we get

> people off the aspartame, those with systemic lupus usually become

> asymptomatic. Unfortunately, we can not reverse this disease.

>

> On the other hand, in the case of those diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis,

> (when in reality, the disease is methanol toxicity), most of the symptoms

> disappear. We have seen cases where their vision has returned and even

> their

> hearing has returned. This also applies to cases of tinnitus.

>

> During a lecture I said " If you are using ASPARTAME (NutraSweet, Equal,

> Spoonful, etc.) and you suffer from fibromyalgia symptoms, spasms,

> shooting

> pains, numbness in your legs, cramps, vertigo, dizziness, headaches,

> tinnitus, joint pain, depression, anxiety attacks, slurred speech, blurred

> vision, or memory loss-you probably have ASPARTAME DISEASE! " People were

> jumping up during the lecture saying, " I've got this, is it reversible? "

>

> It is rampant. Some of the speakers at my lecture even were suffering from

> these symptoms. In one lecture attended by the Ambassador of Uganda, he

> told

> us that their sugar industry is adding aspartame! He continued by saying

> that one of the industry leader's son could no longer walk - due in part

> by

> product usage!

>

> We have a very serious problem. Even a stranger came up to Dr. Espisto

> (one

> of my speakers) and myself and said, 'Could you tell me why so many people

> seem to be coming down with MS?11 During a visit to a hospice, a nurse

> said

> that six of her friends, who were heavy Diet Coke addicts, had all been

> diagnosed with MS. This is beyond coincidence.

>

> Here is the problem:

>

> There were Congressional Hearings when aspartame was included in 100

> different products. Since this initial hearing, there have been two

> subsequent hearings, but to no avail. Nothing has been done. The drug and

> chemical lobbies have very deep pockets. Now there are over 5,000 products

> containing this chemical, and the PATENT HAS EXPIRED!!!!! At the time of

> this first hearing, people were going blind. The methanol in the aspartame

> converts to formaldehyde in the retina of the eye. Formaldehyde is grouped

> in the same class of drugs as cyanide and arsenic-DEADLY POISONS!!!

>

> Unfortunately, it just takes longer to quietly kill, but it is killing

> people and causing all kinds of neurological problems.

>

> Aspartame changes the brain's chemistry. It is the reason for severe

> seizures. This drug changes the dopamine level in the brain. Imagine what

> this drug does to patients suffering from Parkinson's Disease. This drug

> also causes Birth Defects.

>

> There is absolutely no reason to take this product. It is NOT A DIET

> PRODUCT!!! The Congressional record said, " It makes you crave

> carbohydrates

> and will make you FAT " . Dr. stated that when he got patients off

> aspartame, their average weight loss was 19 pounds per person. The

> formaldehyde stores in the fat cells, particularly in the hips and thighs.

>

> Aspartame is especially deadly for diabetics. All physicians know what

> wood

> alcohol will do to a diabetic. We find that physicians believe that they

> have patients with retinopathy, when in fact, it is caused by the

> aspartame.

>

> The aspartame keeps the blood sugar level out of control, causing many

> patients to go into a coma. Unfortunately, many have died. People were

> telling us at the Conference of the American College of Physicians, that

> they had relatives that switched from saccharin to an aspartame product

> and

> how that relative had eventually gone into a coma. Their physicians could

> not get the blood sugar levels under control. Thus, the patients suffered

> acute memory loss and eventually coma and death. Memory loss is due to

> the

> fact that aspartic acid and phenylalanine are neurotoxic without the other

> amino acids found in protein. Thus it goes past the blood brain barrier

> and

> deteriorates the neurons of the brain. Dr. Blaylock,

> neurosurgeon,

> said, " The ingredients stimulates the neurons of the brain to death,

> causing

> brain damage of varying degrees.

>

> Dr. Blaylock has written a book entitled " EXCITOTOXINS: THE TASTE THAT

> KILLS " (Health Press 1-800-643-2665). Dr. H.J. , diabetic

> specialist

> and world expert on aspartame poisoning, has also written a book entitled

> " DEFENSE AGAINST ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE " (1-800-814-9800). Dr. tells

> how aspartame poisoning is escalating Alzheimer's Disease, and indeed it

> is.

> As the hospice nurse told me, women are being admitted at 30 years of age

> with Alzheimer's Disease. Dr. Blaylock and Dr. will be writing a

> position paper with some case histories and will post it on the Internet.

>

> According to the Conference of the American College of Physicians, 'We are

> talking about a plague of neurological diseases caused by this deadly

> poison " .

>

> Dr. realized what was happening when aspartame was first marketed.

> He said " his diabetic patients presented memory loss, confusion, and

> severe

> vision loss " . At the Conference of the American College of Physicians,

> doctors admitted that they did not know. They had wondered why seizures

> were

> rampant (the phenylalanine in aspartame breaks down the seizure threshold

> and depletes serotonin, which causes manic depression, panic attacks, rage

> and violence).

>

> Just before the Conference, I received a FAX from Norway, asking for a

> possible antidote for this poison because they are experiencing so many

> problems in their country. This poison is now available in 90 PLUS

> countries

> worldwide. Fortunately, we had speakers and ambassadors at the Conference

> from different nations who have pledged their help. We ask that you help

> too. Print this article out and warn everyone you know. Take anything that

> contains aspartame back to the store. Take the " NO ASPARTAME TEST " and

> send

> us your case history. I assure you that MONSANTO, the creator of

> aspartame,

> knows how deadly it is. They fund the American Diabetes Association,

> American Dietetic Association, Congress, and the Conference of the

> American

> College of Physicians. The New York Times, on November 15, 1996, ran an

> article on how the American Dietetic Association takes money from the food

> industry to endorse their products. Therefore, they can not criticize any

> additives or tell about their link to MONSANTO. How bad is this? We told

> a

> mother who had a child on NutraSweet to get off the product. The child was

> having grand mal seizures every day. The mother called her physician, who

> called the ADA, who told the doctor not to take the child off the

> NutraSweet. We are still trying to convince the mother that the aspartame

> is causing the seizures. Every time we get someone off of aspartame, the

> seizures stop. If the baby dies, you know whose fault it is, and what we

> are

> up against. There are 92 documented symptoms of aspartame, from coma to

> death. The majority of them are all neurological, because the aspartame

> destroys the nervous system.

>

> Aspartame Disease is partially the cause to what is behind some of the

> mystery of the Dessert Storm health problems. The burning tongue and other

> problems discussed in over 60 cases can be directly related to the

> consumption of an aspartame product. Several thousand pallets of diet

> drinks

> were shipped to the Dessert Storm troops. (Remember heat can liberate the

> methanol from the aspartame at 86 degrees F). Diet drinks sat in the 120

> degree F. Arabian sun for weeks at a time on pallets. The service men and

> women drank them all day long. All of their symptoms are identical to

> aspartame poisoning. Dr. says " consuming aspartame at the time of

> conception can cause birth defects " . The phenylalanine concentrates in

> the

> placenta, causing mental retardation, according to Dr. Louis Elsas,

> Pediatrician Professor - Genetics, at Emory University in his testimony

> before Congress.

>

> In the original lab tests, animals developed brain tumors (phenylalanine

> breaks down into DXP, a brain tumor agent). When Dr. Espisto was ecturing

> on

> aspartame me, one physician in the audience, a neurosurgeon, said, " when

> they remove brain tumors, they have found high levels of aspartame in

> them " .

>

> Stevia, a sweet food, NOT AN ADDITIVE, which helps in the metabolism of

> sugar, which would be ideal for diabetics, has now been approved as a

> dietary supplement by the F.D.A. For years, the F.D.A. has outlawed this

> sweet food because of their loyalty to MONSANTO.

>

> If it says " SUGAR FREE " on the label - DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!

>

> Senator Hetzenbaum wrote a bill that would have warned all infants,

> pregnant mothers and children of the dangers of aspartame. The bill would

> have also instituted independent studies on the problems existing in the

> population (seizures, changes in brain chemistry, changes in neurological

> and behavioral symptoms). It was killed by the powerful drug and chemical

> lobbies, letting loose the hounds of disease and death on an unsuspecting

> public. Since the Conference of the American College of Physicians, we

> hope

> to have the help of some world leaders. Again, please help us too.

>

> There are a lot of people out there who must be warned, please let them

> know

> this information.

>

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<< There is nothing wrong with irradiated are foods. Everyone with an

education knows that they are fresher and contain more vitamins and stay

fresher longer because of the reduction in molds and bacteria. Would you

rather eat molds and bacteria? Many molds have been found two cause

cancer! Stop the insanity! Irradiated foods are better for people! >>

Hello,

If you think irradiation is something to be proud of, why shouldn't think

they should put it on the package? Let the people who believe as you do,

indulge as you do. To attempt to fool the public would be considered criminal

if done by anyone else.

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Irradiation is not natural. You will still have the same problems on the

food, they will just be irradiated! It will change the molecular

construction of the food. Also how do you think they are going to transport

the necessary stuff to the irradiation site - on highways such as the ones

you travel on, what kind of tragedy could occur? The nuclear waste industry

must be laughing up their sleeve.

<>< Annette

>Hello,

> If you think irradiation is something to be proud of, why shouldn't

think

>they should put it on the package? Let the people who believe as you do,

>indulge as you do. To attempt to fool the public would be considered

criminal

>if done by anyone else.

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WHOA Tom!

Who paid you to say THAT!

Yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!

Absolutely nothing could be farther than the truth then what you said.

Do you know who started this whole on the irradiated foods?

Well why don't you go find out for yourself and then come back to me with

your answer.

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> education knows that they are fresher and contain more vitamins and stay

> fresher longer because of the reduction in molds and bacteria. Would you

> rather eat molds and bacteria? Many molds have been found two cause

> cancer! Stop the insanity! Irradiated foods are better for people!

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Thanks Sandy

I couldn't agree with your more. The interesting thing about Immunocal

is that the research on it hasn't stopped just because it is available

to the public they are dedicated to research out as many diseases as it

takes to prove that this will or won't help in the process. The story

has only just begun. Like Dr. Somersall says' it's as if we have found

a treasure chest and now get to discover all the treasure inside.

Manatec has excellent products, and dedicated research behind it as

well. And Immunocal and Manatec compliment each other. I have had the

pleasure of meeting on line some great people from Manatec and have

enjoyed the wonderful articles they have shared with me. It is exciting

to beable to take your health in your own hands and through proper

nutrition feed the body so the body can respond back positive instead

of negative.

Take care

Debbie

johnny walker <litedi-@...> wrote:

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> To Debbie:

>

> Well done, Debbie -- your reasoning makes perfect sense to me. I

find it so

> annoying when people who are still in unpleasant and dangerous

physical

> conditions, despite having tried whatever has met whatever 'criteria'

they

> feel are appropriate, are so full of what sounds like pure hatred at

the

> thought that someone could be making a profit from something they have

> discovered and processed for everyone's benefit. Talk about not

seeing the

> forest for the trees. And I feel that Immunocal may be something

extra

> which will help my mother in addition to the phenomenal but

underrated on

> this mailing list Mannatech products!

>

> Sandy

>

> hamonicd@... wrote:

>

> > Tom

> > Thanks for sending me that web site for the less expensive whey

> > protein. It prompted me to post this and send it off to you.

> >

> > IMMUNOCAL COMPARED HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH OTHER WHEY PROTEINS AND MILK

> > PRODUCTS

> >

> > Many milk derivaties and whey products exist on the marketplace for

> > health-conscious individuals. These products are extremely variable

in

> > their protein content, their concentration, the amount of

> > denaturization (damage to the original protein structure), the

actual

> > types of proteins present, and other factors which play important

roles

> > in the effectiveness of the product.

> >

> > Immunocal is over 90% pure protein, a figure you will not find with

> > other products. It contains sub-families of proteins with the

highest

> > levels of glutathione precursors (building blocks) available. The

> > proprietary process of protein extraction used leaves the proteins

> > intact(undenatured) in their natural form which accounts for our

> > ability to deliver high levels of cystine and cysteine to the cell.

> > Both the fat and lactose content are negligibly low, unlike most

whey

> > proteins available.

> >

> > Of critical importance is the biological activity associated with

the

> > proteins involved. The vast majority of whey proteins do not test

for

> > this factor. The research most of these companies use as claims for

> > their product are in fact done by Dr. Bounous and his team toward

the

> > development of Immunocal. Whether any of these products actually

work

> > or not has been anybody's guess because they have not withstood the

> > test of real research. We have taken the liberty over the years to

take

> > their products to the lab and test them for biological activity.

This

> > is best expressed as the ability to mount an immune response. In

fact

> > some other proteins blunted the immune response. It is clear in the

> > following graphs and tables on the next page, the effectiveness of

> > Immunocal compared head-to-head with other available products

including

> > some of the largest selling whey concentrates on the market.

> >

> > The field of natural health care products will only trully advance

if

> > is based in real research and quality control. Use the products

that

> > are legitimately proven and patented to be effective.

> >

> > CHART EXPLANATION (sorry charts not included, I don't have a

scanner)

> > 1- Lymphocyte GSH - Adapted from: Bounous G, Gold P, Clinical

> > Invextigative Medicine 14:296-309, 1991

> >

> > This graph depicts immune response after the groups were injected

with

> > a " foreign antigen " , which the body recognizes as " the invader " . In

> > this case sheep red blood cells were used as the immunization. The

body

> > then responds by the multiplication of certain white blood cells, or

> > immune cells. In this study the cells examined were the lymphocytes.

> > The limiting factor to the ongoing growth and strength of these

> > lymphocytes is their level of available GSH. These levels were

measured

> > 2 days and 6 days after injection. The groups involved either had

been

> > fed Immunocal, or casein(another milk protein derivative), or a

popular

> > commercial whey protein, or a standardized meal(control group), for

a

> > period of three weeks. You can see that after 6 days the Immunocal

> > group had almost 20%higher glutathione(GSH) levels than the control

> > group and almost 30% higher levels than the other treatment groups.

On

> > a cellular level this kind of difference is quite dramatic. Also

note

> > that the other groups including the other whey protein group, did in

> > fact do poorer than the control group. The control group by

definition

> > was at 100% so a bar graph does not depict them here.

> >

> > 2- BIOLOGICAL ACTIVITY OF WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATES- Adapted from:

> > BounousG, Gold P, Clinical Investigatie Medicine 14296-309,1991

> >

> > Eight groups were included in this study; those fed Immunocal, a

casein

> > protein group, and six other groups fed different whey protein

products

> > on the market. Again an immune response was provoked by injecting

sheep

> > red blood cells as a foreign antigen. What was measured in this case

> > was the formation of plaque-forming cells in the spleen. This is a

> > reflection of antibody production in the body. Please note that the

> > Immunocal group was producing 220% more than the next best group,

and

> > over 475% more than the lowest group,

> >

> > 3- INCREASE OF GSH PERIPHERAL BLOOD MONONUCLEAR CELLS - Adapted

from:

> > Baruchel S, ViauG, Olivier R, Bounous G, Wainberg MA, Oxidative

Stress

> > In Cancer Aids and Neurodegenerative Diseases, Editors Montagnier L,

> > Olivier R, Pasquier C. pgs. 447-461 1998

> >

> > In collaboration with Dr. R. Olivier at the Pasteur Institute, Dr.

S.

> > Baruchel developed a special assay to measure the GSH-promoting

> > activity of currently available serum milk protein and whey

products.

> > This assay measures the GSH content in mononuclear cells (another

key

> > white blood cell in your immune system) after exposure to varying

> > proteins. The GSH is depicted in this graph as a percentage increase

> > compared to the control group. The Immuncal monocytes produced 50%

more

> > than the next best wehy, and was ten times more effective than the

> > lowest one(which incidentally is one of the best selling whey

proteins

> > in the country.

> >

> > At first glance this does not seem like a trementdous difference ,

but

> > in truth the difference is in fact quite critical at a cellular

level.

> >

> > Picture two baseball teams you have a choice to play on. One team

> > called " Whey-A " has a team batting average of .250. Playing in the

> > national virus league, this team should win some of its games, but

no

> > sure guarantee. The immunocal team has a batting average which is

50%

> > better, that would be a .325. You can be sure this team is going to

win

> > the championship easily, tournament after tournament, year after

year.

> >

> > This wasn't posted to slam any product, but to let people know of

> > research that has gone on or is going on proving what is best for

the

> > body.Immunocal has been researched for over 20 years with seven

method

> > of use patents. I like to know my options but I also want the best

> > option.

> > So I have to not so quietly say " IMMUNOCAL IS NOT A RIP OFF " nor is

the

> > doctor or doctor's involved in all this. What is a rip off is when

> > other people take someone else's established research and use it to

the

> > best of there advantage to sway you from the truth, and then make it

> > look even better because it is oh so much cheaper. This is a

difference

> > between life and death, Standford University can tell how close to

> > death someone with HIV is by the lack of Glutathione in there

cells. I

> > don't want to hope I'm doing the right thing, I want to know I am.

> > Debbie

> > Debbie

> >

> > tom dalton <tdalto-@...> wrote:

> > original article:cures for cancer/?start=2561

> > > Immunocal is nothing more than a cold processed Whey protein!

> > >

> > > do not be ripped off by Immunocal!

> > >

> > > You can buy the same cold processed Whey protein a lot cheaper!

> > >

> > > for a much better Whey protein that is a lot cheaper go to:

> > >

> > > http://lef.org/prod_hp/php558.html

> > > __________________________________________

> > > NetZero - Defenders of the Free World

> > > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at

> > > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

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On the Great white Whey Expose.

Thank you,Thank you.........Thank you!

Lloydb W. Seawright

Be like Eloise and Hang on in there.At 12:04 PM 10/13/99 -0700, you wrote:

>To Debbie:

>

>Well done, Debbie -- your reasoning makes perfect sense to me. I find it so

>annoying when people who are still in unpleasant and dangerous physical

>conditions, despite having tried whatever has met whatever 'criteria' they

>feel are appropriate, are so full of what sounds like pure hatred at the

>thought that someone could be making a profit from something they have

>discovered and processed for everyone's benefit. Talk about not seeing the

>forest for the trees. And I feel that Immunocal may be something extra

>which will help my mother in addition to the phenomenal but underrated on

>this mailing list Mannatech products!

>

>Sandy

>

>hamonicd@... wrote:

>

>> Tom

>> Thanks for sending me that web site for the less expensive whey

>> protein. It prompted me to post this and send it off to you.

>>

>> IMMUNOCAL COMPARED HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH OTHER WHEY PROTEINS AND MILK

>> PRODUCTS

>>

>> Many milk derivaties and whey products exist on the marketplace for

>> health-conscious individuals. These products are extremely variable in

>> their protein content, their concentration, the amount of

>> denaturization (damage to the original protein structure), the actual

>> types of proteins present, and other factors which play important roles

>> in the effectiveness of the product.

>>

>> Immunocal is over 90% pure protein, a figure you will not find with

>> other products. It contains sub-families of proteins with the highest

>> levels of glutathione precursors (building blocks) available. The

>> proprietary process of protein extraction used leaves the proteins

>> intact(undenatured) in their natural form which accounts for our

>> ability to deliver high levels of cystine and cysteine to the cell.

>> Both the fat and lactose content are negligibly low, unlike most whey

>> proteins available.

>>

>> Of critical importance is the biological activity associated with the

>> proteins involved. The vast majority of whey proteins do not test for

>> this factor. The research most of these companies use as claims for

>> their product are in fact done by Dr. Bounous and his team toward the

>> development of Immunocal. Whether any of these products actually work

>> or not has been anybody's guess because they have not withstood the

>> test of real research. We have taken the liberty over the years to take

>> their products to the lab and test them for biological activity. This

>> is best expressed as the ability to mount an immune response. In fact

>> some other proteins blunted the immune response. It is clear in the

>> following graphs and tables on the next page, the effectiveness of

>> Immunocal compared head-to-head with other available products including

>> some of the largest selling whey concentrates on the market.

>>

>> The field of natural health care products will only trully advance if

>> is based in real research and quality control. Use the products that

>> are legitimately proven and patented to be effective.

>>

>> CHART EXPLANATION (sorry charts not included, I don't have a scanner)

>> 1- Lymphocyte GSH - Adapted from: Bounous G, Gold P, Clinical

>> Invextigative Medicine 14:296-309, 1991

>>

>> This graph depicts immune response after the groups were injected with

>> a " foreign antigen " , which the body recognizes as " the invader " . In

>> this case sheep red blood cells were used as the immunization. The body

>> then responds by the multiplication of certain white blood cells, or

>> immune cells. In this study the cells examined were the lymphocytes.

>> The limiting factor to the ongoing growth and strength of these

>> lymphocytes is their level of available GSH. These levels were measured

>> 2 days and 6 days after injection. The groups involved either had been

>> fed Immunocal, or casein(another milk protein derivative), or a popular

>> commercial whey protein, or a standardized meal(control group), for a

>> period of three weeks. You can see that after 6 days the Immunocal

>> group had almost 20%higher glutathione(GSH) levels than the control

>> group and almost 30% higher levels than the other treatment groups. On

>> a cellular level this kind of difference is quite dramatic. Also note

>> that the other groups including the other whey protein group, did in

>> fact do poorer than the control group. The control group by definition

>> was at 100% so a bar graph does not depict them here.

>>

>> 2- BIOLOGICAL ACTIVITY OF WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATES- Adapted from:

>> BounousG, Gold P, Clinical Investigatie Medicine 14296-309,1991

>>

>> Eight groups were included in this study; those fed Immunocal, a casein

>> protein group, and six other groups fed different whey protein products

>> on the market. Again an immune response was provoked by injecting sheep

>> red blood cells as a foreign antigen. What was measured in this case

>> was the formation of plaque-forming cells in the spleen. This is a

>> reflection of antibody production in the body. Please note that the

>> Immunocal group was producing 220% more than the next best group, and

>> over 475% more than the lowest group,

>>

>> 3- INCREASE OF GSH PERIPHERAL BLOOD MONONUCLEAR CELLS - Adapted from:

>> Baruchel S, ViauG, Olivier R, Bounous G, Wainberg MA, Oxidative Stress

>> In Cancer Aids and Neurodegenerative Diseases, Editors Montagnier L,

>> Olivier R, Pasquier C. pgs. 447-461 1998

>>

>> In collaboration with Dr. R. Olivier at the Pasteur Institute, Dr. S.

>> Baruchel developed a special assay to measure the GSH-promoting

>> activity of currently available serum milk protein and whey products.

>> This assay measures the GSH content in mononuclear cells (another key

>> white blood cell in your immune system) after exposure to varying

>> proteins. The GSH is depicted in this graph as a percentage increase

>> compared to the control group. The Immuncal monocytes produced 50% more

>> than the next best wehy, and was ten times more effective than the

>> lowest one(which incidentally is one of the best selling whey proteins

>> in the country.

>>

>> At first glance this does not seem like a trementdous difference , but

>> in truth the difference is in fact quite critical at a cellular level.

>>

>> Picture two baseball teams you have a choice to play on. One team

>> called " Whey-A " has a team batting average of .250. Playing in the

>> national virus league, this team should win some of its games, but no

>> sure guarantee. The immunocal team has a batting average which is 50%

>> better, that would be a .325. You can be sure this team is going to win

>> the championship easily, tournament after tournament, year after year.

>>

>> This wasn't posted to slam any product, but to let people know of

>> research that has gone on or is going on proving what is best for the

>> body.Immunocal has been researched for over 20 years with seven method

>> of use patents. I like to know my options but I also want the best

>> option.

>> So I have to not so quietly say " IMMUNOCAL IS NOT A RIP OFF " nor is the

>> doctor or doctor's involved in all this. What is a rip off is when

>> other people take someone else's established research and use it to the

>> best of there advantage to sway you from the truth, and then make it

>> look even better because it is oh so much cheaper. This is a difference

>> between life and death, Standford University can tell how close to

>> death someone with HIV is by the lack of Glutathione in there cells. I

>> don't want to hope I'm doing the right thing, I want to know I am.

>> Debbie

>> Debbie

>>

>> tom dalton <tdalto-@...> wrote:

>> original article:cures for cancer/?start=2561

>> > Immunocal is nothing more than a cold processed Whey protein!

>> >

>> > do not be ripped off by Immunocal!

>> >

>> > You can buy the same cold processed Whey protein a lot cheaper!

>> >

>> > for a much better Whey protein that is a lot cheaper go to:

>> >

>> > http://lef.org/prod_hp/php558.html

>> > __________________________________________

>> > NetZero - Defenders of the Free World

>> > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at

>> > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

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From my research on PC SPES it is still

only a stopgap measure that lowers PSA

by diminishing testosterone,and for some

people,depending on the hormone treatment

ordinarily given, it is just as hard to take. It

is not a cure and its affects usually wear off

withing 2-3 years. You can take a small

estrogen amount a day and accomplish the

same thing: enlarged tender breasts, hot

flashes, weight gain, more frequent urination,

etc. etc.

Best, JR

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> This was sent to me from an in-law of some dear friends. This man was

> diagnosed w/ prostate cancer some 6 years ago. I have contacted the

> People Against Cancer organization and have just received their info

> packet.

>

> He writes:

> " The primary protocol that I am presently taking is called the

> " Stockholm

> Protocol " which is a combination of very effective herbs and

> supplements and

> a mixture of Chinese herbs called " PC SPES " . I also was on hormone

> drugs

> and the side effects were miserable. PC SPES accomplished the same

> results

> (lowering psa) below 1.0 without the severe side effects.

>

> Although this protocol has worked very well for me, I would imagine

that

> your treatment might be somewhat different. For this reason I suggest

> you

> contact the following: "

>

> Wiewel, Executive Director

> PEOPLE AGAINST CANCER

> 515-972-4444

>

>

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reply to response: I think has

been hitting the joy juice. Or he got into a

spoiled batch of my elixer. Jr

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> ON THIS SITE: EUREKA...I've compounded

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> the universal cancer cure; taking certain amounts of the most highly

> touted (and controversial) products covered on this site, and

> modifying them insignificantly to treat each kind

> of cancer, I've come up with JR's Magic Elixer.

> And it has been proven beyond an unreasonable doubt. According to my

> neighbor, an unlicensed veterinarian, cats and

> dogs with pointed ears and tails have cancer

> somewhere in between. I slipped them some

> treats soaked in JR's Magic Elixer, which they

> managed to choke down, and their tails and

> ears immediately dropped...unfortunately so

> did the rest of them. Just a minor dosage

> adjustment, I'm sure. However this has not

> discouraged me and I know it will work. I just

> need some of you out there to try it and give

> me feedback. Just send a summary of your

> cancer history, along with all the details of your

> sexual experiences (I've got to get something

> out of this) and I'll customize your special dose.

> If your ears droop and something happens to your tail just

increase

> the amount taken each

> day until all symptoms, like breathing, are gone.

> Your Elixer will be sent in a plain brown

> paper bag without a return address. So respond now before I start

> charging for it. And

> when I do you can be certain that it will carry

> a full money back guarantee if you die.

> SEND TO: JR's Magic Elixer

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root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be

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> This was sent to me from an in-law of some dear friends. This man was

> diagnosed w/ prostate cancer some 6 years ago. I have contacted the

> People Against Cancer organization and have just received their info

> packet.

>

> He writes:

> " The primary protocol that I am presently taking is called the

> " Stockholm

> Protocol " which is a combination of very effective herbs and

> supplements and

> a mixture of Chinese herbs called " PC SPES " . I also was on hormone

> drugs

> and the side effects were miserable. PC SPES accomplished the same

> results

> (lowering psa) below 1.0 without the severe side effects.

>

> Although this protocol has worked very well for me, I would imagine

that

> your treatment might be somewhat different. For this reason I suggest

> you

> contact the following: "

>

> Wiewel, Executive Director

> PEOPLE AGAINST CANCER

> 515-972-4444

>

>

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Hello, I can't remember all those big words for beneficial chemicals in

grapes and seeds and etd, but they can do wonders. Last night on TV a Wine

country health spa somewhere (I didn't get where) was giving grape

massages, smashing them and rubbing them into the skin, putting grape juice

into a Hot Tub bath and then doing a full body, including a facial mask of

Grape Wrap. A Doctor chemist came on an touted the breakthrus of those

ingredients from the grape destroying cancer cells, as well as an anti

aging factor being furnished for healthier skin. Many people, including me,

in the past, have benefitted by taking Grapeseed Extract Tabs. I noticed

TJ's pharmacy sell them too. Luv, Liz & ^j^, ^j^, ^j^ (my angels)

At 02:31 AM 10/20/1999 -0600, you wrote:

>Flavonoids are phenolic compounds giving color to leaves, flowers,

>fruits, barks, and seeds. Grapes (including wine and grape juice)

>contain flavonoids including catechin, anthocyanin, and resveratrol.

>In animal studies, resveratrol has anti-cancer properties.

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I think Steinbeck used to get grape wraps and wrote a book about

it.. " the Grapes of

Wrap "

Hello, I can't remember all those big words for beneficial chemicals in

grapes and seeds and etd, but they can do wonders. Last night on TV a Wine

country health spa somewhere (I didn't get where) was giving grape

massages, smashing them and rubbing them into the skin, putting grape juice

into a Hot Tub bath and then doing a full body, including a facial mask of

Grape Wrap. A Doctor chemist came on an touted the breakthrus of those

ingredients from the grape destroying cancer cells, as well as an anti

aging factor being furnished for healthier skin. Many people, including me,

in the past, have benefitted by taking Grapeseed Extract Tabs. I noticed

TJ's pharmacy sell them too. Luv, Liz & ^j^, ^j^, ^j^ (my angels)

At 02:31 AM 10/20/1999 -0600, you wrote:

>Flavonoids are phenolic compounds giving color to leaves, flowers,

>fruits, barks, and seeds. Grapes (including wine and grape juice)

>contain flavonoids including catechin, anthocyanin, and resveratrol.

>In animal studies, resveratrol has anti-cancer properties.

>

>so pass the bottle.

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Hi, I KNEW you'd come up with something on that, but knew you were

knowledgable in how spa wraps are done.

Also, Have you ever read ANNE E. FRAHM (two dots over the a in Frahm)'s

book: 'CANCER BATTLE PLAN' with Six Strategies For Beating Cancer, From A

Recovered 'Hopeless Case " ? on the cover it says too: Understand what cancer

does to your body. Give immune system the tools it needs to fight disease.,

Choose the treatments that are best for you. Learn how to help people who

are fighting cancer. Includes resource lists and a complete nutrition

battle plan. " She and her husband Dave have a healing center in Colorado

Springs, Co. and I get their free Newsletter. I was already on much the

same program and didnot go, but the step by step route they took to her

healing from very advanced cancer, is documented.

There web site is <healthquaters.org>, add Health Quaters Ministries, 955

Garden of the Gods Rd. Suite C, Colorado Springs, Co.80907, phone

(719)531-7884. They have a Nutritional Support Group and travel to do talks

on how they helped themselves heal and how the very ill come to their

quarters in groups to learn how to get well and stay that way.

Someday if people want to know why healers in America are Ministers, I

will be glad to explain, off line. Liz>

I think Steinbeck used to get grape wraps and wrote a book about

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>Hello, I can't remember all those big words for beneficial chemicals in

>grapes and seeds and etd, but they can do wonders. Last night on TV a Wine

>country health spa somewhere (I didn't get where) was giving grape

>massages, smashing them and rubbing them into the skin, putting grape juice

>into a Hot Tub bath and then doing a full body, including a facial mask of

>Grape Wrap. A Doctor chemist came on an touted the breakthrus of those

>ingredients from the grape destroying cancer cells, as well as an anti

>aging factor being furnished for healthier skin. Many people, including me,

>in the past, have benefitted by taking Grapeseed Extract Tabs. I noticed

>TJ's pharmacy sell them too. Luv, Liz & ^j^, ^j^, ^j^ (my angels)

>

>At 02:31 AM 10/20/1999 -0600, you wrote:

>>Flavonoids are phenolic compounds giving color to leaves, flowers,

>>fruits, barks, and seeds. Grapes (including wine and grape juice)

>>contain flavonoids including catechin, anthocyanin, and resveratrol.

>>In animal studies, resveratrol has anti-cancer properties.

>>

>>so pass the bottle.

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I don't know who you are or what you do. But this isn't the first time

that you would like to say, that these Dr.s who make these claims are

full of it, don't know what they are talking about. Well I have to

diagree with you. I think they do know what they are talking about, and

it is you that doesn't. I don't know where you get your voice of

athority from, but I know for a fact that Dr. Horowitz's has made this

his life work, have you? It seems to me that you are an intelligent

man, and you are entitled to your own opinion, just as I am allowed

mine. But buddy I think that you need to get your FACTS STRAIGHT.

Are you so much for vaccines, because you are hoping the new one for

Cancer works?

Aids is and stands for ACQUIRED IMMUNE DEFICIENCY SYNDROME - I think

that in itself explains its relationship to the immune system. HIV

destroys, lymphocytes and the result is immune-deficiency. The AIDS

virus does not kill directly, but leaves the victim defenseless against

even the most innocuous disease organisms.

Many pathological aspects of the disease are secondary effects- the

body's inadequate response to a particular infection, not of HIV

itself. Much attention is therefore paid to the role of GSH in AIDS

patients. Among other things, the disease causes chronic infammatory

change and oxidative stress. These activities consume GSH and lead to

dysfunction in CD4 helper cells. Once T-cells lose their efficiency,

the patient becomes susceptible to opportunistic infections, diseases

to which healthy individuals are immune. These infections include

certain types of pneumonia, diarrhea, candida and others. The

immuno-deficency becomes generalized and leads to malnutrition, wasting

and death.

And as for the innocent children, explain to them how they can be

normal recieve vaccines and never be well or normal again.

Unless you have done the research, get a grip on your info. It seems to

me you only know what is right. And if that is true then damn but there

are alot of Dr.'s out there wasting there time on Research. I think all

medical Doctor's should have your number, that way they can just phone

you and get the facts straight. According to alot of them, there is

proof but according to you there is none.

I don't mean to come accross rude to you, But it galls me that without

doing the research you have your own opinion and thats that. Well I

have seen these Dr.'s proof, where is yours?

Debbie

tom dalton <tdalto-@...> wrote:

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> first of all AIDS is NOT AN autoimmune disease...

>

> and please explain to me what an autoimmune disease is....

> (I know already... but you do not know)

>

> AND YES CANCER HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.....

>

> even though cancer is on the rise... there is no proven link between

> vaccines and cancer...

>

> what bugs me about people who are against vaccines is that they are

> making serious life threatening decisions for innocent children.

>

> innocent children need to be protected from uneducated and

> mislead parents who only believe that vaccines are bad and they have

> no real proof.

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True, but some of the diseases it prevents also provides protection against

more deadly diseases and afflictions. As the body grows from child to adult,

the body's immune system becomes stronger as it fights off infections and

childhood diseases. This is well-known. We also know there have been

deaths due to the childhood diseases before immunization shots were

discovered. There is no perfect answer and there will never be. But the

rise in autism and similar afflictions is alarming and research /studies need

to be supported by the public.

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Phew...until I read down to " vaccines " I

thought you were mad at ME.

I don't know who you are or what you do. But this isn't the first time

that you would like to say, that these Dr.s who make these claims are

full of it, don't know what they are talking about. Well I have to

diagree with you. I think they do know what they are talking about, and

it is you that doesn't. I don't know where you get your voice of

athority from, but I know for a fact that Dr. Horowitz's has made this

his life work, have you? It seems to me that you are an intelligent

man, and you are entitled to your own opinion, just as I am allowed

mine. But buddy I think that you need to get your FACTS STRAIGHT.

Are you so much for vaccines, because you are hoping the new one for

Cancer works?

Aids is and stands for ACQUIRED IMMUNE DEFICIENCY SYNDROME - I think

that in itself explains its relationship to the immune system. HIV

destroys, lymphocytes and the result is immune-deficiency. The AIDS

virus does not kill directly, but leaves the victim defenseless against

even the most innocuous disease organisms.

Many pathological aspects of the disease are secondary effects- the

body's inadequate response to a particular infection, not of HIV

itself. Much attention is therefore paid to the role of GSH in AIDS

patients. Among other things, the disease causes chronic infammatory

change and oxidative stress. These activities consume GSH and lead to

dysfunction in CD4 helper cells. Once T-cells lose their efficiency,

the patient becomes susceptible to opportunistic infections, diseases

to which healthy individuals are immune. These infections include

certain types of pneumonia, diarrhea, candida and others. The

immuno-deficency becomes generalized and leads to malnutrition, wasting

and death.

And as for the innocent children, explain to them how they can be

normal recieve vaccines and never be well or normal again.

Unless you have done the research, get a grip on your info. It seems to

me you only know what is right. And if that is true then damn but there

are alot of Dr.'s out there wasting there time on Research. I think all

medical Doctor's should have your number, that way they can just phone

you and get the facts straight. According to alot of them, there is

proof but according to you there is none.

I don't mean to come accross rude to you, But it galls me that without

doing the research you have your own opinion and thats that. Well I

have seen these Dr.'s proof, where is yours?

Debbie

tom dalton <tdalto-@...> wrote:

original article:cures for cancer/?start=2948

> first of all AIDS is NOT AN autoimmune disease...

>

> and please explain to me what an autoimmune disease is....

> (I know already... but you do not know)

>

> AND YES CANCER HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.....

>

> even though cancer is on the rise... there is no proven link between

> vaccines and cancer...

>

> what bugs me about people who are against vaccines is that they are

> making serious life threatening decisions for innocent children.

>

> innocent children need to be protected from uneducated and

> mislead parents who only believe that vaccines are bad and they have

> no real proof.

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Endometriosis is the result of " estrogen dominence " , ie too much estrogen

relative to progesterone. Hence the treatment is natural progesterone cream

applied topically and available at any health food store, or from a

compounding pharmacist with an RX from your doc. Go to www.johnleemd.com for

a complete description of the many problems ( increased reproductive cancer

risk, obesity,dysmenorrhea, etc) associated with excess estrogen and

corrected with progesterone (NOT synthetic!).

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True to an extent. But the incidence of childhood cancers and other types

of disorders have risen alarmingly since 1940. Cannot ignore the current

trend. Some data suggests the availability of sugar (cheaply) contributed.

Refined sugar lowers the immune system in all of us.

Carol

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In a message dated 10/23/1999 12:36:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

hamonicd@... writes:

<< We are weaker in the diseases we get and the ability to fight them.

Most people I speak with today have something wrong with them. Their

quality of life is hampered by chronic illness. So we live longer but

we live sicker. And unhealthy parents can not help but pass this

weakness on. But then when I see children that are catching everything

going around, I can't help but wonder what is wrong with this picture.

My freinds that have children are always telling me there kids are sick

with one thing or another. We have always had sickness, but I don't

know that we have ever had such a population of people with chronic

illness to compare to as we do today.

rosydixo-@... wrote:

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> Each generation is not getting weaker. In earlier generations they

didn't

> live long enough to get some of the diseases so common now.

>

> >>

My children are living proof that immunizations are not what they say they

are. My children are healthy and did not have the immunizations till after 5

and they had no ear infections and NEVER needed to see a doctor with this or

that. I also feed them sound nutrition, not boxed processed, enzyme free and

vitamin free food. People eat nutritionless food and expect health are

deceived. Vacinnes are NOT what they say they are and many are crippled and

dead because of the vaccines. Cleanliness is the only common factor in

disease being high in countries. Countries who do not vacinnate have have a

decrease in disease as soon as cleanliness increased.

DO NOT be fooled. The love of money is the evil that rules AMA medicine.

NOT MONEY, but rather the love for it. It drives all these vacinnes as well

as the deadly and costly treatments.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that poisons are not beneficial

to the immunity of the human body and to strengthen the body it doesn't take

a brain surgeon to know that nutrition is a key factor in the strength of the

body.

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Give me a break!

" The Dark Side " ????

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> Hello, As I understand it, the ORIGINAL Vaccines were doing a good job in

> boosting the immune system to overcome that disease being vaccinated

> against. Then came the dark side of 'Medicine' population control, in the

> hands of former Nazi scientists (documented), who were (are) paid to do a

> job to delibertly contaminate them so as to do population control (not my

> words, but documented in the Congressional records, See just one place to

> find it the letter from or in his book from Dr. Len Horiwitz and others) on

> any area 'those in control' chose. That is the danger, in case you missed

> it. Are you kids expendable, are mine? I think not. They will not take the

> vaccines, our choice! Study the maps of the earlier targeted areas, see in

> what populated areas the high insidence of HIV, AIDS and etc are, all

> alledged to be 'man made diseases'. Do your own research and decide, donot

> take someone else's word for it. Liz

>

> At 09:15 PM 10/22/1999 EDT, you wrote:

> >True, but some of the diseases it prevents also provides protection

> against

> >more deadly diseases and afflictions. As the body grows from child to

> adult,

> > the body's immune system becomes stronger as it fights off infections and

> >childhood diseases. This is well-known. We also know there have been

> >deaths due to the childhood diseases before immunization shots were

> >discovered. There is no perfect answer and there will never be. But the

> >rise in autism and similar afflictions is alarming and research /studies

> need

> >to be supported by the public.

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Date: 10/24/1999 11:28:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time

From: tdalton@... (Tom Dalton)

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Give me a break!

" The Dark Side " ????

wrote:

>

> Hello, As I understand it, the ORIGINAL Vaccines were doing a good job in

> boosting the immune system to overcome that disease being vaccinated

> against. Then came the dark side of 'Medicine' population control, in the

> hands of former Nazi scientists (documented), who were (are) paid to do a

> job to delibertly contaminate them so as to do population control (not my

> words, but documented in the Congressional records, See just one place to

> find it the letter from or in his book from Dr. Len Horiwitz and others) on

> any area 'those in control' chose. That is the danger, in case you missed

> it. Are you kids expendable, are mine? I think not. They will not take the

> vaccines, our choice! Study the maps of the earlier targeted areas, see in

> what populated areas the high insidence of HIV, AIDS and etc are, all

> alledged to be 'man made diseases'. Do your own research and decide, donot

> take someone else's word for it. Liz

>

> At 09:15 PM 10/22/1999 EDT, you wrote:

> >True, but some of the diseases it prevents also provides protection

> against

> >more deadly diseases and afflictions. As the body grows from child to

> adult,

> > the body's immune system becomes stronger as it fights off infections and

> >childhood diseases. This is well-known. We also know there have been

> >deaths due to the childhood diseases before immunization shots were

> >discovered. There is no perfect answer and there will never be. But

the

> >rise in autism and similar afflictions is alarming and research /studies

> need

> >to be supported by the public.

>>

To think that giving a person a bad virus will boost the immune system stems

from the theory of Homopathy that a little poison creates an immune response

to the poison. Homopathy has a lot of witchcraft behind it as well, to the

degree that some believe you can " project " these frequencies from the

homeopathic formulas if you can't get it to the person.

Where is common sense today. Think a minute. What fuels this body?

Nutrition: minerals vitamins, good water, etc. What makes it strong, same

thing. What is the immune system. Simple, the body's God created ability to

heal itself. It is a whole thing, not a organ here and there thing. One sick

organ can affect all the organs. Keep the body fed very well, the body does

it's job. You don't need to poison something to make it stronger. That is

not even common sense. This body is not something science cannot even

understand, in fact science can't even figure out what good some organs are

for and think cutting them out is no big deal. But the creator of this body

created every organ with a life giving purpose and God has given us all the

answers we need for health in His Word, the Bible. He even gives the

understanding as to why people get sick. There are the natural to spiritual

laws that do not change for believers or unbelievers. The believers are

saved from hell, but still are responsible for their choices in the natural

and spiritual laws in place. Read Deut chapter 28. If you think you are

exempt from the consequences for wrong decisions because you don't believe,

that is as stupid as thinking gravity can't effect you if you don't believe

in it. Duh. God's word clearly says a man who says there is no God is a

fool. A fool will argue about everything and believe anything, and know

nothing.

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You take Life Extension odviously and I take Immunocal. What makes this

identical? Have they done the same clinical studies and application to

come to this conclusion? Immuocal has over twenty years of research,

how many does your less expensive and identical whey proteine have? I

would like to see the studies using this paticular whey protein that

proves it is identical to the claims and patents that Immunocal has.

Bring on the evidence. And yes I did go to your web site and I did not

see actual proof that this is identical. Maybe I am nissing something,

and you can help me out. I don't want to see the creater of Immunocal,

Dr. Bounous or his colleages to back your claims, odviously they are

taking about Immunocal and not this whey protein you are saying is

identical. Maybe you are right, but then again I have seen Immunocal's

proof through studies pertaining to it being the whey protein they used

to make their claims.

I don't see Immunocal as a rip off or a waste of my money. I know that

by taking it I am not taking a knock off, but twenty years of research

and proof. So how about for those that are looking for something to

help them lets not call Immunocal a rip off. After all Dr. Bounous and

his research of this has made it possible for these other companies to

make claims on their product. And to me when you knock his

product(immunocal) you are knocking a great fine and a great doctor. I

think he deserves a little more respect then this.

Inorder for someone to make as good as or better claims they need to

use the same studies to come to their conclussion. If they can show

they have done the same studies, then maybe it is as good as or better

then. Rule of thumb when faced with the choice of what is better for

me. See the evidence to decide.

Just my opinion

Debbie

tom dalton <tdalto-@...> wrote:

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> Do not waste your money on Immunocal.

>

> this other stuff is identical to Immunocal

> and it will save you a bundle $$$$.

>

> see

>

> http://www.lef.org/prod_desc/item558.html

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At 12:30 PM 10/24/99 -0600, you wrote:

>Give me a break!

> " The Dark Side " ????

Yes, there is a dark side. Look at the documentation. It's in the public

venues. Take a look. Start with Dr. Horowitz's book,

http://www.tetrahedron.org.

I find it difficult to refute publicly documented employment contracts

between our US government, and Nazi war doctors. Those are facts. Not

Star Trek.

There is no conspiracy. It was all done in the open. It appears that they

didn't think that any one would care. It's taken us nearly 45 years, but

yes, we care.

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