Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Dear Kim, I also live in an unlicensed state (well, we will soon have our licenses!), and have not let liability issues keep me from accepting patients who refuse conventional treatment; these are exactly the patients whom we as naturopaths need to support! A good relationship with an oncologist really helps; Meticulous documentation of advice about options and response is crucial; but even more important are the actual conversations with the patients about their motivations of refusing conventional treatment; usually the question "what would you do and how would your family and friends react and how would you react to their reaction, if you refuse conventional treatment, follow my recommendations and the cancer comes back?" weeds out the folks that refuse conventional treatment out of fear as well as those who are primarily focusing on eliminating the tumor rather than treating the process. The other crucial question that really helped me clarify my own position is "how would I react if her tumors recur despite my treatments?" hope this helps! these patients have been some of my most rewarding patients - both the ones who have died and the ones who still are living. le Duebendorfer, ND Sandpoint, Id chronic disease, cancer Breast cancer Hi group, This a question regarding treating patients with cancer who have opted to not use allopathic tx. I am certain that many of you work with patients who have chosen not to use chemo/rad and other allopathic txs. My patient is a breast cancer pt who I've emailed about before. She had an initial excision of the tumor (<1cm) but margins were positive. She does not want to do any more allopathic treatment which was recommended. She was advised to have another excision including lymph nodes followed by radiation at the very least. I personally am willing to work with her and have been for several months now. I am recommending checking her tumor markers every 3 months and breast MRI every 6 months which she will do. I am currently using drainage, BTGs, diet, homeopathic remedies with plussing method, and nutritional support for cancer process. My concern is this is my first patient who is not using any conventional treatments and I am concerned about liability issues. I am in an unlicensed state and do not have malpractice insurance. Other NDs strongly recommend dropping the case as it is too much risk for me and my practice. I do not believe in this approach but would like comments and to stimulate discussion on this issue. How do those of you out there treating cancer w/o allopathic med in conjunction "cover your butts" ? Do you worry about it at all? To cover my butt, I referred her to CTCA for a second opinion which she did and decided that their approach "is a joke" . I documented that I referred her there and she refused treatment. Isn't this enough? I am attracting more and more cancer patients and am sure this issue will come up often. I do not encourage or discourage an integrative approach to my patients but I want them to be informed of all the options and make their own decision based on personal philosophy. I share my philosophical approach to health and dis-ease in general but do not to make any claims regarding naturoapthic medicine "curing" cancer although I believe it is the only approach that really can. It's interesting to observe how extreme and opposing opinions can be within our own community. Not surprising, just interesting. Kim Saxe, ND Kim E. Saxe, ND (formerly Wetzler) Vice-President, Wisconsin Naturopathic Physicians Association www.milwaukeenaturopathic.com Seven Stones Center for Wellness 1924 N Farwell Ave Milwaukee, WI 53202 414.224.1074 Riverwest Clinic 826 E. Center St. Milwaukee, WI 53212 414.372.5553 FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Dear Kim, I also live in an unlicensed state (well, we will soon have our licenses!), and have not let liability issues keep me from accepting patients who refuse conventional treatment; these are exactly the patients whom we as naturopaths need to support! A good relationship with an oncologist really helps; Meticulous documentation of advice about options and response is crucial; but even more important are the actual conversations with the patients about their motivations of refusing conventional treatment; usually the question "what would you do and how would your family and friends react and how would you react to their reaction, if you refuse conventional treatment, follow my recommendations and the cancer comes back?" weeds out the folks that refuse conventional treatment out of fear as well as those who are primarily focusing on eliminating the tumor rather than treating the process. The other crucial question that really helped me clarify my own position is "how would I react if her tumors recur despite my treatments?" hope this helps! these patients have been some of my most rewarding patients - both the ones who have died and the ones who still are living. le Duebendorfer, ND Sandpoint, Id chronic disease, cancer Breast cancer Hi group, This a question regarding treating patients with cancer who have opted to not use allopathic tx. I am certain that many of you work with patients who have chosen not to use chemo/rad and other allopathic txs. My patient is a breast cancer pt who I've emailed about before. She had an initial excision of the tumor (<1cm) but margins were positive. She does not want to do any more allopathic treatment which was recommended. She was advised to have another excision including lymph nodes followed by radiation at the very least. I personally am willing to work with her and have been for several months now. I am recommending checking her tumor markers every 3 months and breast MRI every 6 months which she will do. I am currently using drainage, BTGs, diet, homeopathic remedies with plussing method, and nutritional support for cancer process. My concern is this is my first patient who is not using any conventional treatments and I am concerned about liability issues. I am in an unlicensed state and do not have malpractice insurance. Other NDs strongly recommend dropping the case as it is too much risk for me and my practice. I do not believe in this approach but would like comments and to stimulate discussion on this issue. How do those of you out there treating cancer w/o allopathic med in conjunction "cover your butts" ? Do you worry about it at all? To cover my butt, I referred her to CTCA for a second opinion which she did and decided that their approach "is a joke" . I documented that I referred her there and she refused treatment. Isn't this enough? I am attracting more and more cancer patients and am sure this issue will come up often. I do not encourage or discourage an integrative approach to my patients but I want them to be informed of all the options and make their own decision based on personal philosophy. I share my philosophical approach to health and dis-ease in general but do not to make any claims regarding naturoapthic medicine "curing" cancer although I believe it is the only approach that really can. It's interesting to observe how extreme and opposing opinions can be within our own community. Not surprising, just interesting. Kim Saxe, ND Kim E. Saxe, ND (formerly Wetzler) Vice-President, Wisconsin Naturopathic Physicians Association www.milwaukeenaturopathic.com Seven Stones Center for Wellness 1924 N Farwell Ave Milwaukee, WI 53202 414.224.1074 Riverwest Clinic 826 E. Center St. Milwaukee, WI 53212 414.372.5553 FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Think someone said, at some point, that the cancer society wasn’t trying to find a CURE for it, they’re just trying to help people learn to manage it better… but I can’t remember if it’s diabetes foundation or some cancer society.. I remember being pretty ticked off and outraged though… “we don’t care what causes it. We just want you to live better WITH it!” Nita, yes my hands are full, but not my heart: 14, Jon 12, 10, 8, 6, Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 1, and due 2/08 Some minds are like concrete: Thoroughly mixed up and permanently set. ___ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.37/1042 - Release Date: 10/1/2007 6:59 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.37/1042 - Release Date: 10/1/2007 6:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 My neighbor was telling me about her sister has breast cancer and how she agreed to participate in a study at Sloan Kettering with all the usual treatments involved. My neighbor not wanting to lose her sister couldn't sleep and spent many hours researching and looking at what many survivors had in common. She learned that stem cells was what many survivors were getting and not on the agenda at SK until the final stages. One big ugly experiment with no conscience to speak of. They learn by making orphans of children and causing parents to bury their own children. Just horrible. In the end, they've learned nothing at all. Anita Fieldman <lisafieldman@...> wrote: I just heard on the TV of a new breast cancer study. Basically it shows that the smaller the lump, the better chance of recovery. It makes me sick that good money is spent on studies like this. Duh, isn't it obvious, do we need a study on this? They refuse to research important things. Like ones focusing on causes. Fieldman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 How can anyone live well with breast cancer. > > Think someone said, at some point, that the cancer society wasn't > trying to find a CURE for it, they're just trying to help people learn > to manage it better… but I can't remember if it's diabetes foundation or > some cancer society.. I remember being pretty ticked off and outraged > though… " we don't care what causes it. We just want you to live better > WITH it! " > > > > Nita, yes my hands are full, but not my heart: 14, Jon 12, > 10, 8, 6, Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 1, > and due 2/08 > Some minds are like concrete: > Thoroughly mixed up and permanently set. > > ___ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.37/1042 - Release Date: > 10/1/2007 6:59 PM > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.37/1042 - Release Date: > 10/1/2007 6:59 PM > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Hi Anita -- They may save stem cell treatment till later because it's a very nasty protocol, and if an " easier " treatment works... For those that don't know what's involved... for stem cell transplant, they need to Totally annihilate your immune system before they harvest your cells, then they give you more chemo to further suppress your immune system, then a few days later (after your cells have been filtered and " cleaned " ) and you have virtually no immune system, they give your stem cells back to you. This is done in an isolation room at the hospital, over the course of several weeks (the risk of getting a cold or worse is very high) -- all this while you eat a " special diet " with NO fresh fruits or veggies -- canned or frozen only, and then it must be cooked to death. Don't even start me on the rest of the diet -- it's a horrible protocol! Health & blessings, * winners took it home... Oprah raved about it on Going GREEN 101... and just recently it was featured on Good Morning America... *http://www.shaklee.net/EcoClean/getclean/index http://www.shaklee.net/ExcitingHealth On 10/2/07, Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: > > My neighbor was telling me about her sister has breast cancer and how she > agreed to participate in a study at Sloan Kettering with all the usual > treatments involved. My neighbor not wanting to lose her sister couldn't > sleep and spent many hours researching and looking at what many survivors > had in common. She learned that stem cells was what many survivors were > getting and not on the agenda at SK until the final stages. One big ugly > experiment with no conscience to speak of. They learn by making orphans of > children and causing parents to bury their own children. Just horrible. In > the end, they've learned nothing at all. > > Anita > > Fieldman <lisafieldman@...> wrote: > I just heard on the TV of a new breast cancer study. Basically it shows > that the smaller the lump, the better chance of recovery. It makes me sick > that good money is spent on studies like this. Duh, isn't it obvious, do we > need a study on this? They refuse to research important things. Like ones > focusing on causes. > > Fieldman > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 my wife has breast cancer and she is doing this iodine protocol. she never tested the iodine level but she started the protocol anyway. she is taking lugols iodine solution 5%, magnesium chloride,baking soda and molasses along with other vitamins like vitamin C, selenium,vitamin D, spurlina,wheatgrass and Carrot juice. She does feel the tumor is shrinking but not much but she gets very dry skin on the breast when she applies iodine. Can someone suggest what she needs to do regarding dry skin and if she is on the right track or we need to see some naturopath who does this protocol. Can someone reccomends a naturopath in ontario canada. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Hi: Whereabouts in Ontario do you live? I assume she is painting her breast with the Iodine and a carrier would be good to use. And Coconut Oil comes to mind for that – good to eat, good to apply. I assume she is also taking Lugol’s INTERNALLY? If I know where you live in Ontario, I know of a couple of Naturopaths. Bonnie Write me directly at www.bonnieview@... From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of STEEL LINK CORPORATION Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:24 PM iodine Subject: Breast Cancer my wife has breast cancer and she is doing this iodine protocol. she never tested the iodine level but she started the protocol anyway. she is taking lugols iodine solution 5%, magnesium chloride,baking soda and molasses along with other vitamins like vitamin C, selenium,vitamin D, spurlina,wheatgrass and Carrot juice. She does feel the tumor is shrinking but not much but she gets very dry skin on the breast when she applies iodine. Can someone suggest what she needs to do regarding dry skin and if she is on the right track or we need to see some naturopath who does this protocol. Can someone reccomends a naturopath in ontario canada. thanks size=1 width="100%" noshade color="#aca899" align=center> No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4897 - Release Date: 03/27/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Hi, I would suggest mixing the iodine with coconut oil or johoba oil before putting it on skin. Breast Cancer my wife has breast cancer and she is doing this iodine protocol. she never tested the iodine level but she started the protocol anyway. she is taking lugols iodine solution 5%, magnesium chloride,baking soda and molasses along with other vitamins like vitamin C, selenium,vitamin D, spurlina,wheatgrass and Carrot juice. She does feel the tumor is shrinking but not much but she gets very dry skin on the breast when she applies iodine. Can someone suggest what she needs to do regarding dry skin and if she is on the right track or we need to see some naturopath who does this protocol. Can someone reccomends a naturopath in ontario canada.thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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