shingles

[Guest guest]

Does anything here

http://www.mediscan.co.uk/cfm/resultssearch.cfm?action=keyword & log=nk look

remotely like it, Kay?

I've never had shingles myself, but I treated a little boy in Robyn's class

for it a couple of years ago. He was in agonising pain. He'd had CP but

not the vax - it isn't used in the UK very much yet (although I think that

will change). Certainly it is a very painful illness - caused by a flaring

up of the CP virus which has lain dormant in the CNS, usually in the spinal

cord, iirc. If someone gets low for some reason, it can flare up again.

http://www.aftershingles.com/shingles.html is quite informative if you

ignore the bit about the vax and treatments!

Obviously you would need to repertorise, but my little lad was sorted with

one dose of 30c pulsatilla. There are certain remedies that are *typical*

for herpes zoster, but as we both know, prescribing according to symptoms is

always more effective.

I do hope it doesn't turn out to be shingles, and I do hope he's better

soon.

Love, light and peace,

Sue

>

> Does anyone have experience with shingles? My almost 14 year old

> son came home yesterday with a strange rash on the back of one of

> his arms. It covers an area about the size of an adult hand, but

> it's not completely filled in. He has a similar rash right in

> the middle of his back, about the size of a quarter. It's red

> and raised, and bumpy, but not really blistery. He says it

> doesn't itch but it hurts terribly.

>

> My first thought was shingles. I can't think of any other kind

> of rash that would be painful. ???

>

> A friend of my daughter's (15 year old), had shingles several

> months ago. I know it used to be something older people got, but

> I've heard of kids getting it now, too. I'm thinking the chicken

> pox vax may have alot to do with that.

>

> My son had chicken pox when he was 2. So the vax doesn't apply to him.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

I wasn't able to access the first link. I got an error message.

But reading the second link and others online make me think it IS shingles.

He was complaining last week of pain on the back of his left arm, between the

elbow and shoulder, extending under his armpit. I thought he must have bruised

it, but didn't see anything at that point. Then yesterday the rash was there.

At first I thought it might be poison ivy or oak, but he said it doesn't itch.

He describes the pain like a bruise but also says it feels like a bunch of bee

stings. It's very red, and in patches and has tiny blisters and bumps.

The place on his back is between his shoulder blades and right smack dab on the

spine. From what I've read, shingles is usually on one side of the body or the

other, so this spot right on the spine has me puzzled.

Thanks so much for the info, Sue, and your well wishes. I'm hoping it isn't

shingles, but the symptoms seem to indicate that it is.

Kay

RE: Shingles

Does anything here

http://www.mediscan.co.uk/cfm/resultssearch.cfm?action=keyword & log=nk look

remotely like it, Kay?

I've never had shingles myself, but I treated a little boy in Robyn's class

for it a couple of years ago. He was in agonising pain. He'd had CP but

not the vax - it isn't used in the UK very much yet (although I think that

will change). Certainly it is a very painful illness - caused by a flaring

up of the CP virus which has lain dormant in the CNS, usually in the spinal

cord, iirc. If someone gets low for some reason, it can flare up again.

http://www.aftershingles.com/shingles.html is quite informative if you

ignore the bit about the vax and treatments!

Obviously you would need to repertorise, but my little lad was sorted with

one dose of 30c pulsatilla. There are certain remedies that are *typical*

for herpes zoster, but as we both know, prescribing according to symptoms is

always more effective.

I do hope it doesn't turn out to be shingles, and I do hope he's better

soon.

Love, light and peace,

Sue

>

> Does anyone have experience with shingles? My almost 14 year old

> son came home yesterday with a strange rash on the back of one of

> his arms. It covers an area about the size of an adult hand, but

> it's not completely filled in. He has a similar rash right in

> the middle of his back, about the size of a quarter. It's red

> and raised, and bumpy, but not really blistery. He says it

> doesn't itch but it hurts terribly.

>

> My first thought was shingles. I can't think of any other kind

> of rash that would be painful. ???

>

> A friend of my daughter's (15 year old), had shingles several

> months ago. I know it used to be something older people got, but

> I've heard of kids getting it now, too. I'm thinking the chicken

> pox vax may have alot to do with that.

>

> My son had chicken pox when he was 2. So the vax doesn't apply to him.

>

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http://www.mediscan.co.uk/cfm/resultssearch1.cfm?actiontype=return_results & n

extrow=1 & endrow=24 & box=shingles & mediatype=Image & pageno=1 & log=nk

Try that, Kay. It works for me although when I tried the first one I sent

you, it was an error.

Sue

>

> Hi Sue,

>

> I wasn't able to access the first link. I got an error message.

>

> But reading the second link and others online make me think it IS

> shingles. He was complaining last week of pain on the back

> of his left arm, between the elbow and shoulder, extending under

> his armpit. I thought he must have bruised it, but didn't see

> anything at that point. Then yesterday the rash was there. At

> first I thought it might be poison ivy or oak, but he said it

> doesn't itch. He describes the pain like a bruise but also says

> it feels like a bunch of bee stings. It's very red, and in

> patches and has tiny blisters and bumps.

>

> The place on his back is between his shoulder blades and right

> smack dab on the spine. From what I've read, shingles is usually

> on one side of the body or the other, so this spot right on the

> spine has me puzzled.

>

> Thanks so much for the info, Sue, and your well wishes. I'm

> hoping it isn't shingles, but the symptoms seem to indicate that

> it is.

>

> Kay

>

>

> Does anything here

>

> http://www.mediscan.co.uk/cfm/resultssearch.cfm?action=keyword & log=nk look

> remotely like it, Kay?

>

> I've never had shingles myself, but I treated a little boy in

> Robyn's class

> for it a couple of years ago. He was in agonising pain. He'd

> had CP but

> not the vax - it isn't used in the UK very much yet (although I

> think that

> will change). Certainly it is a very painful illness - caused

> by a flaring

> up of the CP virus which has lain dormant in the CNS, usually

> in the spinal

> cord, iirc. If someone gets low for some reason, it can flare up again.

> http://www.aftershingles.com/shingles.html is quite informative if you

> ignore the bit about the vax and treatments!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Viola! Thanks, that did it.

Oh, those poor people! Some of those pictures are horrible! His rash isn't

dark or purple like alot of them pictured there, but some of the other pictures

looked just like it...

Kay

RE: Shingles

http://www.mediscan.co.uk/cfm/resultssearch1.cfm?actiontype=return_results & n

extrow=1 & endrow=24 & box=shingles & mediatype=Image & pageno=1 & log=nk

Try that, Kay. It works for me although when I tried the first one I sent

you, it was an error.

Sue

[Guest guest]

VALTREX OR FAMVIR AND LOTS OF REST

[Guest guest]

If you google lysine and vit C they are meant to be good for shingles.

BW,

Sheila

Friday, December 16, 2005, 4:24:42 AM, you wrote:

s> Hi Everyone

s> I have shingles! And CFS, FMS, MCS of course. My CFS specialist did not

seem surprised.

s> Any suggestions?

s> Thanks

s> in Oz

s>

[Guest guest]

Hi, .

I know of two non-pharmaceutical ways of combatting shingles.

The first is to take lysine and vitamin C, which Sheila has already

mentioned, together with minimizing your intake of arginine, such as

from nuts and chocolate. I'm not positive, but I think the lysine

works at the level of the histones in the nucleus of the cell, by

turning off the production of the virus.

The second approach is to build up your glutathione. Work at the

University of Rome has shown that when the level of glutathione is at

normal levels in the cells, the completion of glycoprotein B is

prevented. They showed that this stops the production of herpes

simplex viruses. Because all herpes-family viruses, including the

varicella-zoster or herpes-zoster virus that causes shingles, use

glycoprotein B, I have inferred from this that building up glutathione

will stop all of them. It can be difficult to build up glutathione,

especially if your methylation cycle is blocked. Yesterday I posted

ways of determining whether this is true in a given case, and what can

be done about it. I've also posted ways of building up glutathione,

which can be found at

http://www.phoenix-cfs.org/Glutathione%20Building%20in%20CFS.htm

If your methylation cycle is blocked, you may get faster relief from

teh shingles using the lysine and vitamin C approach, though in the

long term, I think that fixing the methylation cycle and building

glutathione will bring many more benefits. I would suggest taking 3

or 4 grams of lysine per day, and 3,000 mg of vitamin C. Spacing it

out over the day would be best.

As Cattttttt mentioned, there are also pharmaceutical antivirals that

are effective against this virus, but they can be tough on the liver,

so if you go that route, be sure that the doctor gives you liver

function tests.

Rich

>

> Hi Everyone

> I have shingles! And CFS, FMS, MCS of course. My CFS specialist

did not seem surprised.

> Any suggestions?

> Thanks

> in Oz

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rich, do you know if lysine/Vit C would work on HHV6A or does it only work for

the herpes simplex virus?

And does the arginine thing hold true for HHV6A too?

Thanks in advance,

BW,

Sheila

Friday, December 16, 2005, 5:01:57 PM, you wrote:

r> Hi, .

r> I know of two non-pharmaceutical ways of combatting shingles.

r> The first is to take lysine and vitamin C, which Sheila has already

r> mentioned, together with minimizing your intake of arginine, such as

r> from nuts and chocolate. I'm not positive, but I think the lysine

r> works at the level of the histones in the nucleus of the cell, by

r> turning off the production of the virus.

r> The second approach is to build up your glutathione. Work at the

r> University of Rome has shown that when the level of glutathione is at

r> normal levels in the cells, the completion of glycoprotein B is

r> prevented. They showed that this stops the production of herpes

r> simplex viruses. Because all herpes-family viruses, including the

r> varicella-zoster or herpes-zoster virus that causes shingles, use

r> glycoprotein B, I have inferred from this that building up glutathione

r> will stop all of them. It can be difficult to build up glutathione,

r> especially if your methylation cycle is blocked. Yesterday I posted

r> ways of determining whether this is true in a given case, and what can

r> be done about it. I've also posted ways of building up glutathione,

r> which can be found at

r> http://www.phoenix-cfs.org/Glutathione%20Building%20in%20CFS.htm

r> If your methylation cycle is blocked, you may get faster relief from

r> teh shingles using the lysine and vitamin C approach, though in the

r> long term, I think that fixing the methylation cycle and building

r> glutathione will bring many more benefits. I would suggest taking 3

r> or 4 grams of lysine per day, and 3,000 mg of vitamin C. Spacing it

r> out over the day would be best.

r> As Cattttttt mentioned, there are also pharmaceutical antivirals that

r> are effective against this virus, but they can be tough on the liver,

r> so if you go that route, be sure that the doctor gives you liver

r> function tests.

r> Rich

r>

r>

>> Hi Everyone

>> I have shingles! And CFS, FMS, MCS of course. My CFS specialist

r> did not seem surprised.

>> Any suggestions?

>> Thanks

>> in Oz

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Herpes are lipid coated viruses. BHT, a common food preservative, ruptures this

lipid coating, is relatively inexpensive, available from LifeLink. Mel

[Guest guest]

Sheila, The most effective relief for fibromyalgia I've experienced is magnesium

malate, not as quick as injections but much cheaper and convenient. Mel

[Guest guest]

Hi, Sheila.

As far as I know, lysine and vitamin C work for both the herpes

simplex I and II (cold sores and genital herpes) and for varicella

zoster (shingles). I don't know about HHV-6A, but I'll email

Loomis at the HHV-6 Foundation and ask. I think lysine is

one of the substances they have tested in vitro on HHV-6.

Rich

>

> >> Hi Everyone

> >> I have shingles! And CFS, FMS, MCS of course. My CFS

specialist

> r> did not seem surprised.

> >> Any suggestions?

> >> Thanks

> >> in Oz

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

>A person can NOT catch shingles, if they have never had chicken pox, then they

can catch CHICKEN POX from someone with shingles, but NOT shingles.

I'm pretty clear with the idea that one cannot contract the shingles unless

they have already had (knowingly or unknowingly) the chicken pox and one who has

not yet had the chicken pox cannot contract shingles. I wonder if there are

cases of shingles in people who have had subclinical cases of chicken pox? What

a shocker that would be!

I'm also curious to know if one who has already had the chicken pox (vaxed or

wild), like the woman you know, develop a case of the shingles triggered by an

exposure to chicken pox (vaxed or wild)? If the answer is yes, we can never know

the origin of the disease or what brand of it we have gotten. More importantly,

we have no idea of what the long term impact of contracting mutant chicken pox

will be.

Sara - thanks for the info you sent. It's almost time for the school buses to

start arriving , but I am looking forward to looking through all you have sent

if I can outlast my three sons. ;~)

Anita

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[Guest guest]

Could someone explain to me HOW consistent exposure to chicken pox dimishes

rates of shingles. I don't quite understand that.

Sheri B.

Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

At 11:33 AM 5/27/2006 -0400, you wrote:

>Yes, the natural order of things BEFORE man's interference with vaccines,

was for shingles to remain in check with repeated exposure to cp.

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If your children have not had chicken pox, they can develop that from being

in contact with someone with shingles. They cannot " catch " shingles from

your father though.

My son had shingles last summer when he was 13. Homeopathy helped

tremendously. Do you have a homeopath you can consult with about this?

Kay

Shingles

>I know this has been discussed somewhere but I cant remember where so I am

> asking for my own needs/curiosity. My father, nearing 80, has shingles

> and

> " can't get rid of them. " I don't know what methods he has used but I am

> sure they are all traditional medical methods. Is there something

> natural/homeopathic I can recommend him to do to clear these up?

>

> also, we are thinking of visiting him the first weekend of July and I have

> a

> non-vaxed 17 mo old. What is the likelihood of him getting shingles and

> or

> something else related from him? What precautions should we take? I

> don't

> want to stay away just for something like shingles but I want to know the

> risks and ways to lessen the risks.

> Christy Putnam

[Guest guest]

My 11 yo had chicken pox at age 5. The baby hasn't had them yet and I am

not ready for that with him yet. When he is able to understand not to

scratch, it will be easier...lol I do not have a homeopath at all. can he

get chicken pox just by being near him (air borne) or is it via touch only?

Please forgive my ignorance...

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At 07:50 AM 6/22/2006 -0500, you wrote:

>I know this has been discussed somewhere but I cant remember where so I am

>asking for my own needs/curiosity. My father, nearing 80, has shingles and

> " can't get rid of them. " I don't know what methods he has used but I am

>sure they are all traditional medical methods. Is there something

>natural/homeopathic I can recommend him to do to clear these up?

He needs to see a quality acupuncturist or a quality homeopath.

Will he do that?

My dad's were gone within seconds DURING acupuncture treatment in the

1980's. Never came back and he'd battled them for 6 monhts.

>

>also, we are thinking of visiting him the first weekend of July and I have a

>non-vaxed 17 mo old. What is the likelihood of him getting shingles and or

>something else related from him?

You can't get shingles from someone else but your child could get chickenpox

And vaxed or non-vaxed is the same - vaccines don't give immunity, remember

;-) ?

What precautions should we take? I don't

>want to stay away just for something like shingles but I want to know the

>risks and ways to lessen the risks.

Hopefully he will see someone and be OK.

Where does he live?

Sheri

>

>Thank you!

>

>In Gratitude,

>Christy Putnam

>Unschooling Mom to Aden (1) and Seth (11)

>Loving wife of Chet (ann. 7/4/04)

>

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>

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>dreams. Live the life you have always

>imagined. " - Henry Thoreau

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

He probably wouldn't do either homeopath or acupuncture but I will suggest

it to him - THANK YOU! He lives in Tulsa, OK. If he lived closer to me

(OKC) I would be more effective in getting him to use more natural means but

since he doesn't, my suggestions go by the wayside.

I am postponing my trip until he is free and clear of shingles...hmmm maybe

that will get him to the acupuncturist...lol Anyway, thanks you all for

your suggestions and help.

Christy Putnam

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[Guest guest]

Hi Christy,

I've seen you on the basic unschooling list. I had shingles nearly 3yrs

ago and was still nursing at the time. My son didn't contract chicken

pox from it. The only way your child can get pox from him is to rub all

over his open, oozing sores, which isn't going to happen. Here's a link

with some herbal/natural remedies for shingles:

http://herbal-remedies-usa.stores..net/shingles.html The worst

part for me was the pain. Shingles can be extremely painful.

Here are some other good sites that I use often:

http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/center.asp?centerid=1

http://www.hpakids.org/

Hope your grandfather can get rid of them soon!

Kristie in VA

[Guest guest]

Ellyn;

I just thought I would share my story. I had shingles at age 30 when I

was seven months pregnant with my son Tyler. My doctor said it was one of the

worst cases he had seen. My rash went from my belly botton around to my back

about 6 inches in width. It was worse then labor, the pain was 24 hours for

about 10 days but it took two weeks to fully recover. I was told it would not

hurt the baby because I was in my third trimester. Tyler began to fever at age

5, but has had leg pain off and on since age 1. I don't know if there is a

connection.

Kim Ingalls

Tyler 6

Keri 10

le 13

Re: stress triggering an episode?

Ellyn, I would love to look at the information you found. I myself had shingles

in my eye when I was only 13. My son was diagnosed with and we had his

tonsils removed 3 weeks ago. I wonder if I had something genetic that was passed

on to him.

Dawn Mom to C.J. 22 months

ellyn.trickey@ phila.gov wrote:

I am quite sure that both stress and excitement are both episode triggers.

has had a fever for every school show (he's very shy), vacations,

birthday parties (his and other ones that he has been looking forward to),

and even day trips.

In regards to the question about " breaks " , has had a break every

year in varying lengths of time.

In fact even though the fevers were less regular I think he began having

episodes when he was 9 months.

At the time he had just started day-care and I just attributed it to him

being exposed to many more people and their germs.

This went on for 4-5 months and then he was fine until around his second

birthday. At that point the fevers started

coming like clockwork.

started on cimetidine in March and had been fever free for 9 months

until just before Christmas.

Now I'm wondering whether it was actually the cimetidine or just one of

his breaks. Either way, I was grateful for the break!

I feel that I also have a much milder version of whatever has (I'm

not convinced it's - probably something genetic with unknown

markers)

I recently came down with shingles (unusual at age 38) and I came across

some information saying that people with

an autoimmune disease are more likely to get shingles at an under age 50.

Ellyn

Mom of (Periodic Fever) (6),

Alyssa(9), and Kate(4)

Philadelphia, PA

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stress triggering an episode?

Callums mum here. I find it interesting what a few members are saying

concerning stress and fevers. A doctor here in Hungary told me that my

sons problems were all stress related!!! My little boy who is just

turned 7 yrs old has a fantastic care free life and always has had. We

are a very close and happy family and have been blessed with few

worries. I think the stress that he saw from my son was due to him

being afraid of the doctor and concern about why he kept getting

fevers. We have had a wonderful 4 months break from fevers although

Callum still had all the other symptoms during that time. He still had

pain and discomfort at the same time that he was due a fever but no

fever!! He had a stressful night with painful legs and spent the night

sweating and moaning.(its winter here in Hungary) He was worn out this

morning but he still insisted on going to school. He wouldnt miss

football for anything in the world.We off to Prague in The Czech

Republic for a few days next week and Im hoping he will still remain

fever free till we get back home at least.

Leeanne

[Guest guest]

Your story is interesting to me because I also had shingles while I

was around 8 months pregnant. I had a very mild case and was told not

to worry about it and that it is common in pregnancy. My daughter

started fevering at around 4 months old and is now almost 3. There is

no evidence I know of to link the two but I too am always questioning

everything and looking for answers to why our children must suffer

this way. Hopefully some day we will all have answers. I pray for

healing of our children everyday.

Mother of ee (2.5)

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that is scary..simply. Shingles is so painful. What do the doctors

suggest to prevent it? How many times has he had it,,,,I will try to google

stuff and send it to you if I find anything. Liz NJ

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that is scary..simply. Shingles is so painful. What do the doctors

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that is scary..simply. Shingles is so painful. What do the doctors

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