Hello all!

[Guest guest]

Hi hurtknees and welcome!<br><br>Thanks for all

the info<br><br>It's pretty hard to think of ways of

smoothing the patellar cartilage without surgery! I haven't

heard of anything. There's a couple of injectables

around though, I think they are called synvisc and

hyaluron (or hyalauronic acid or something like that).

These are thick lubricants which are injected into the

knee joint and help to lubricate and support it.

Varying degrees of success reported, ranging from no

effect other than swelling to reasonable pain relief.

Hyaluron is supposed to be better and actually helps the

cartilage in some way but requires 5 injections as opposed

to the 3 injections required for synvisc. Results

last about 6 months. Mind you if you've read " Dr Theo "

you'll already know this!! His

site:<br><br><a href=http://www.drtheo.com/

target=new>http://www.drtheo.com/</a><br><br>I think Dr Theo himself commented

that there is

little difference between taking 3 separate daily

glucosamine/chondro doses or taking the lot in one big dose. But I

take it three times a day because I think it has to be

better absorbed like this! Personally I'd stick with 3

times a day...<br><br>I have no experience of edema so

can't suggest anything.<br><br>I do believe that

moderate excercise is good, but there is a fine line

between moderate and over-excercise. The general opinion

in this group is that straight leg quad excercises

are very good (except Katmeow's physio said they

weren't really appropriate in her case).<br><br>Good luck

hurtknees and keep posting!

[Guest guest]

Lot's of questions and I hate to beat a dead

horse but did you find out why your knees <br>started

hurting? I mean why did your knees start hurting when they

did?<br><br>For the edema, which if I'm not correct, is sign with

the beginning of arthritis. Try using some the new

ANSAIDs like Celebrex which will thin out the fluid and

hopefully relieve some pressure.<br><br>Exercise often as

you can and ice afterwards with hamstring stretches

(lasting at least 1 min) before. This would bring some

nourishment to your knees as this the way the cartilage

actually " regenerates " though the compression of the

joints with the fluid providing the nutrients. Find

something that doesn't hurt and do it every day. There's

nothing better for your knees, in my opinion.<br><br>To

also address a method which smoothes out the

cartilage. I was aware of an arthoscopic device, Coblation,

which uses high frequency radio waves that supposedly

<br>does an amazing job which doesn't compare to today's

laser. But I was recently forwarded a study which may

debunk this method because after time the surrounding

cartilage tissue begin to die off.<br><br>Most important

find out why your knees started hurting.

[Guest guest]

Hello and welcome!<br><br>Whenever my knees start

to feel hot or swell, I use ice packs or even a bag

of frozen corn. Put a cloth between your skin and

the ice, then wrap loosely with an ace bandage. Leave

on for about 20 minutes, and try to elevate your

knee higher than chest level. If your knee gets numb

or the skin gets red, that is too long to

ice!<br><br>Do that two or three times a day. Also remember that

when your knee swells, your brain cuts off the signal

to the VMO, the inner thigh muscle that is crucial

to keep the kneecap in alignment. (this is what my

very good physical therapist told me.) So do straight

leg quad exercises to keep the brain aware of that

muscle!! Look for my previous posts for exercises. Good

luck!<br><br>Jeannine.

[Guest guest]

Dear Jeannine:<br><br>Thanks for your reply. I

had been able to do without the 'ice therapy' for

over 2 years. However, now I am back to doing what you

described after every hard workout, sometimes as a

preventative measure. There are some great products made by

companies such as Body Glove which incorporate a neoprene

wrap and gel bag in one. I find they fit much better

and are more effective than other methods, mainly

because the gel bag will gradually warm up and therefore

not allow the skin to freeze for as long - sort of

'idiot-proof' and good for people like me who mistakenly

believe 'more is better'.<br><br>Thanks for the info on

the edema and VMO muscle. I hadn't ever been told

that.<br><br>Thanks,<br>HurtKnees

[Guest guest]

HI BARB, GLAD YOU ARE BACK !!! THE PAIN IS TERRIBLE HERE TOO !!! THE DAY TODAY WAS C-O-L-D !!!

OUR EARLIEST SNOW IN OUR AREA WAS THE DAY ROSS AND I GOT MARRIED 34 YEARS AGO ON SEPT 30... IT MADE ALL NEWS, OUR FIRST SNOW IS USUALLY AROUND NOV. OR LATER...AND THAT WINTER WAS A TERRIBLE ONE WITH THE SNOW AND THE FREEZING COLD !!!

HAPPY YOU FOUND A MONITOR ALSO... SO SORRY YOUR HURTING SO MUCH ( WILL BE HERE IF YOU NEED ME...TAKE CARE MY FRIEND !!!

[[[ SOOTHING HUGS ]]]

HELEN

Hello!  How are you all doing?  Just had to add to Helen's wooly worm story....I have also heard that one... & also if it snows before Halloween, it will be a very bad winter.....Not ready for this cold weather...have been loving it the past few days....but starting tomorrow.....BBBRRRRRRRRRRRR......Hope you are doing well!!

 

Me .....I have not been to good lately.....I have been in a fog, the head & neck & back pain seems almost unbearable at times, Mother nature about killed me this month....thought I was having contractions at 2 a.m. the other night....then I thought my insides were going to fall out.  My husband is still not working.....But one good thing....I got a new (used ) monitor....Horray.....I can go back to talking to all of my wonderful friends here.....Trying to catch up first...then I will go back off no-mail..  Take care & know that I'm thinking of you all!

 

Love,

 

Barb

HAPPY AUTUMN

ENJOY THE COLORS

[Guest guest]

Awww Gee Barb, So Sorry you are still not feeling well ( You are one tough lady !!! Hang in there and drop us a line every so often so I don't worry too much, OK??? I will Pray for you that you will feel better as best as you can real soon !!! Sent with much Love !!!

{{{ Pain Free Hugs }}}

Helen

Hello Everyone! Sorry I'm still quiet, just not feeling myself lately. The pain is horrible, my mind is numb, (maybe depressed too, but trying to deny that one). Just plain hanging in here.....Thinking of you all very much though!!! Thank you for thinking of me! I just love this family.....very thoughtful & supportive! I'll write more when I can! {{{HUGS TO ALL}}}

Love,

Barb

[Guest guest]

( Hi Barbara ( Sorry the pain is so bad right now!! {{{HUGS}}} How are

you doing today!? Take care!!

Jessi

[Guest guest]

--- Porkchop <cincyporkchop@...> wrote:

> ps.... For those of you with Mail...have you

> noticed the changes they have made to the accounts?

> I

> LOVE THEM!!! Especially that little arrow that

> tells

> me I replied to a post....EXCELLENT!!!!!

Yep Yep Yep... I love em too! It makes it easy to know

which emails you have replied to and which ones you

haven't. Nice to get a useful update now and then.

Jen

235, 227, 135

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[Guest guest]

Welcome ; my name is Pattymelt and this is a wonderful group of

friends. I hope you feel better each day. Till soon, Melt

> K here (lkr06@a... and lreyno@c...)

>

> I recently sined up in . How exciting when

> I opened the photo album. I had tears streaming down

> my face as I looked at the photos of so many of you

> out there. It was wonderful to put faces to names.

>

> Being unemployed for 4mths helped keep the dragon

> silent. I was able to get completely off of steroids

> and MTX after 3yrs. However, I am now back on the

> roids and MTX. The roids are causing me to be really

> blue again. I want my mother so much but as most of

> you know - she is no longer here. It sucks to be sick,

> single and no mother. My brothers have families of

> there own and my dad is dating a wonderful lady. I

> just feel so alone out here. It does give me peace to

> know y'all are out here and here for me. Praise God I

> can work. Otherwise, I would never see people.

>

> Although I'm not real active in the group, I am always

> lurking and I'm always here should you want to email

> me privatley.

>

> Get plenty of REST and MOVE those joints!!

> XO

>

>

> God Bless Y'all!

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

BFL is easy once you get the hang of it. Planning your meals and workouts ahead

of time really helps. Let us know if you have any questions.

Hello All!

I'm just starting the program tomorrow. Is it tough to follow?

Sasha

[Guest guest]

Hi, ! Welcome to the group and way to go on the lose so far! I look forward to getting to know you better.

in OH

Hi. My name is .

[Guest guest]

Welcome from PA. I am from NH. I have two young girls to. 8 and 3 yrs old. You have found a great place for info and support. Alot of us are restarting our efforts in the lifestyle change that it takes to be healthy. I am not diebetic BUT try to be good because both of my parents are. Losing 35 pounds already is a great start for you. Dont forget portions, water, and exercise are key.

NH

Mommy to Abby Liz 10-25-94

Mommy to Anne 7-1-99

[Guest guest]

> Hi, ! Welcome to the group and way to go on the lose so far!

I look forward to getting to know you better.

>

> in OH

>

> Hi. My name is .

Nice meeting you . I see you aren't too far from me as to living

in Ohio. I have been surfing for somewhere to go for support with my

Diabetes and weight and I think I have found myself a New HOME! ...

[Guest guest]

Hi for NH. Nice meeting you. I have two young girls as well. 13 and 7

years old. They are alot of help to me. I go and get something to eat and

they say " Mom, are you allowed that> god bless them. Both girls and my

husband support me in my weight problem and my diabetes. Glad I found this

group

From: Jase4567@...

Reply-100-plus

100-plus

Subject: Re: Hello All!

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:33:58 EST

Welcome from PA. I am from NH. I have two young girls to. 8

and 3 yrs old. You have found a great place for info and support. Alot of

us are restarting our efforts in the lifestyle change that it takes to be

healthy. I am not diebetic BUT try to be good because both of my parents

are. Losing 35 pounds already is a great start for you. Dont forget

portions, water, and exercise are key.

NH

Mommy to Abby Liz 10-25-94

Mommy to Anne 7-1-99

HUGS AND KISSES

JULIE **BUNZ**

MEOWWWWW!!!!!!!!

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[Guest guest]

My name is

Welcome ,

[Guest guest]

Subject: Hello All!

> Hi. My name is . Im 40 years old and found out April 2001 that

Looks like burped and sent some old messages to the list again. Sorry

about that, ladies.

[Guest guest]

((((((((())))))))) we are so glad to have you back finally.. lol..

There are sometimes that I to have troubles sleeping with the MTX, more now with

the increase and shot form than before.. I am up for the dance.. whoo hoo..

Have missed you friend.. Take care.. Hope you are well.. Love ya Kel

Kelley in Colorado

Kelleyak31@...

[Guest guest]

Hi April!

Congratulations on your DS, your fabulous weight loss and joining our group

(LOL)! We welcome you!

Hugs and blessings, Ann

[Guest guest]

April what a wonderful Xmas gift your getting...a flat tummy and

perky tata's! I am guessing that a plastic surgeon is going to do

the procedures since it involves a lift. But it started me to

wondering...Does Dr. Simpson do tucks for his wls patients? Just

curious.

Jo

[Guest guest]

Hi April!

Welcome to the group! You'll love it here!

Hugs!

Tracey

> Hello, I found this group off the main DS site and thought it

might be a good

> idea to join to get more information from a group that I hear is

fantastic! >

> . ´¨¨)) -:¦:-

> ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

> ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ April -:¦:-

> -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

[Guest guest]

Hello and welcome fellow Simpsonite!

Cinda

05/19/03

371/303

I ended up switching Dr's

> to Dr Simpson and that was also a great thing! We have a fantastic

support

> group here also. Thanks for allowing me to join you all!

>

> . ´¨¨)) -:¦:-

> ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

> ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ April -:¦:-

> -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

> Dr Terry Simpson DS 9/18/02 Hernia Repair 4/2/03

> Start weight 330 *** Surgery day 306 *** Currently 180***Goal 160

> Tummy Tuck/Lift for the girls... 12/16/03

[Guest guest]

My life has improved so much already and I'm very

grateful for that!

I hope to see most of you in Delano!

*hugs*

C

12/05/02, -73 lbs

I am a magnificent & poweful woman, living in gratitude & integrity!

Sooooooo good to " hear your voice, " ! You've been missed.

Congratulations on the good grades, another semester under your belt and your

WONDERFUL

tagline! -- Oh and thanks for the update on Kinsey, too!

Hugs and blessings, Ann

[Guest guest]

My life has improved so much already and I'm very

grateful for that!

I hope to see most of you in Delano!

*hugs*

C

12/05/02, -73 lbs

I am a magnificent & poweful woman, living in gratitude & integrity!

Sooooooo good to " hear your voice, " ! You've been missed.

Congratulations on the good grades, another semester under your belt and your

WONDERFUL

tagline! -- Oh and thanks for the update on Kinsey, too!

Hugs and blessings, Ann

[Guest guest]

!

>

> I hope to see most of you in Delano!

>

> *hugs*

>

> C

> 12/05/02, -73 lbs

>

> I am a magnificent & poweful woman, living in gratitude &

integrity!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

Yes you are!!!!

See you and kinsey on Tues

God bless,

Pat

[Guest guest]

!

>

> I hope to see most of you in Delano!

>

> *hugs*

>

> C

> 12/05/02, -73 lbs

>

> I am a magnificent & poweful woman, living in gratitude &

integrity!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

Yes you are!!!!

See you and kinsey on Tues

God bless,

Pat