B12

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> [Patti] You can buy injectable B-12 without a prescription (both

> cyanocobalamin and hydroxycobalamin - maybe methyl also) in Canada.

> Americans can order from a pharmacy there and have it shipped to

the US. I

> bought B-12, both cyano_and Hydroxy_ twice without any problems.

>

> Patti

I know we have gone over this before, but can you give us a phone

number to buy hydroxy in Canada? And is it priced more or less in

line with McGuff? Thanks.

Mike

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Docs,

You might consider Key Company's Folic/B12. The B12 is on resin that

increases absorption typically very difficult for B12I(that's why injections

work so well). I understand that this product is about 50% absorbable which

is very good for oral administration. Steve Lumsden

Survey of thoughts about prescription writing

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> of

> > you

> > > >would take advantage of an educational program that eventually

> allowed

> > for

> > > >limited prescription rights for Oregon licentiates? Now I know that

> many

> > > >docs will say that the reason that you got into chiropractic is

> because

> > you

> > > >wanted a non-medicinal approach to healthcare, and I agree

> > wholeheartedly.

> > > >On the other hand, there are occasional times when I can see that

> it

> > would

> > > >be of a great advantage for a DC to be able to write a prescription

> for

> a

> > > >drug that is not available over the counter.

> > > >The opthalmologists did a nice job of getting legislation passed

> that

> > > >allowed them to set up this kind of a program, and I think it is

> now

> > > >feasible that a similar program could be accomplished for the DCs,

> as

> > long

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> is

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Thanks for the easy differential info. cyno vs hydro. My .02--get

perservative free.

in hospital I kept reacting and come to find out the chemical

perservative is also used as pesticide. I did research on the chemical

the pharmacy told me was in the injection, albeit after the fact.

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I use 1000mcg once a week sublingually and find that this is adequate for majority of patients

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-----Original Message-----From: Deavers [mailto:.Deavers@...]Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:34 AM Subject: B12Does anyone recommend sublingual B12? Do you find it sufficient to prevent anemia or are shots always required?Thanks*********************The information contained in this message may contain health informationthat is privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. The transmitted information is intended only for the use of the individualor entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that State and Federal Law strictly prohibit any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this message from your computer. Thank you. Bethesda Healthcare System.

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We currently rec. 1000 mcg vitamin B12 sublingually twice per week. We were

finding many low normal levels and were afraid of people becoming low before

they came back for follow-up. We are just starting to assess preop B12 stores.

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I have a pre-op woman with a B12 level of 938 (high). However, her MCV and MCH levels are normal and she is not taking any supplements. Why would her B12 level be elevated? I usually see post-op pt's with elevated B12 secondary to taking a B12 supplement or MV. Could this indicate a folate deficiency? We usually do not measure folate pre-op.

-----Original Message-----From: .D.Letendre@... [mailto:.D.Letendre@...]Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 8:59 AM Subject: RE: B12We currently rec. 1000 mcg vitamin B12 sublingually twice per week. We were finding many low normal levels and were afraid of people becoming low before they came back for follow-up. We are just starting to assess preop B12 stores.

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In addition to pts receiving supplements, serum B12 may also be elevated in pts with liver disease/liver cancer elevated WBC, leukemia, or other myeloproliferative disorders. Is the pt taking a MVI? Oddly enough they don't always consider a vitamin to be a supplement.

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I would go easy. I take them sublingually but you need a lot more that

way. I would start of with a half dose of even less to begin.

>

> I'm sure someone here has information regarding vit B12 injections and

> switching from cyano to methyl. I was recently given a bottle of

> methylcobalamin 5,000 mcg

> and noticed my previous bottle of cyano was 1,000 mcg. I took 1 cc,

> three times a week of the cyano. I don't know how much I should

> inject of the methyl and don't have appt with my doctor till month

> end. Any comments or suggestions? I must be careful as 1 cc of

> hydrozy kept me awake for 24 hours the one time I tried it.

> Comments would be appreciated.

> Thanks,

>

>

>

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Hi Mandy

What is B12 and what does it do?

>>>Its a vitamin that does at least 136 things for the body - but I can't tell you what they are LOL. Dr Neubranders site explains it all

www.drneubrander.com

Good luck with the chelation - how is your lad doing now after the challenge?

Mandi in Uk

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In a message dated 16/12/2005 17:24:46 GMT Standard Time, tryfonas@... writes:

I need to buy more B12 inj. Where do you Europeans stock the B12 from. Last time i brought through Costal Pharmacies in the USA. Any ideas?

>>>Probably best to keep getting it from there given you have US dr to sign your Rx

Mandi x

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In a message dated 17/12/2005 14:01:27 GMT Standard Time, mtklimek@... writes:

Try two suppliers in Italy1. Farmacia Legnani dott.de Zanetti, 0039/ 02 48 01 38 99. 2. Dr. CARLO FIORENTINIVia 13/d 25121 BRESCIATelefono 0303757159 - Fax 0303770210

>>>Thanks you - where do they source the MB12? Does it come in syringes?

TIA

MAndi in UK

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Try two suppliers in Italy

1. Farmacia Legnani

dott.de Zanetti,

0039/ 02 48 01 38 99.

2. Dr. CARLO FIORENTINI

Via 13/d

25121 BRESCIA

Telefono 0303757159 - Fax 0303770210

http://www.farmaciafiorentini.com/

email: info@...

>

> Hi all

> I need to buy more B12 inj. Where do you Europeans stock the B12

from. Last time i brought through Costal Pharmacies in the USA. Any

ideas?

> kind regards

> Chriso

>

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Try two suppliers in Italy

1. Farmacia Legnani

dott.de Zanetti,

0039/ 02 48 01 38 99.

2. Dr. CARLO FIORENTINI

Via 13/d

25121 BRESCIA

Telefono 0303757159 - Fax 0303770210

http://www.farmaciafiorentini.com/

email: info@...

>

> Hi all

> I need to buy more B12 inj. Where do you Europeans stock the B12

from. Last time i brought through Costal Pharmacies in the USA. Any

ideas?

> kind regards

> Chriso

>

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Hello,

Legnani's MB12 have methylcobalamine and formula of Coastal

Compounding Pharmacy. It's in pre-filled syringes (0.05 or 0.1 ml).

I don't know B12 of Fiorentini, please try to contact this pharmacy

for further information.

Ilio - Italy

>

>

> In a message dated 17/12/2005 14:01:27 GMT Standard Time,

mtklimek@p...

> writes:

>

> Try two suppliers in Italy

>

> 1. Farmacia Legnani

> dott.de Zanetti,

> 0039/ 02 48 01 38 99.

>

> 2. Dr. CARLO FIORENTINI

> Via 13/d

> 25121 BRESCIA

> Telefono 0303757159 - Fax 0303770210

>

>

>

> >>>Thanks you - where do they source the MB12? Does it come in

syringes?

>

> TIA

> MAndi in UK

>

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Mb12 is in syringes. It is produced in consultation with Dr Tyrus

Shmit from Coastal. I assume (did not check) the suplier is the same

as for Coastal.

Once I get the first delivery (next week) I am going to check the

ingredients.

Maybe somebody from Italy will say on the quality as they use it for

about 2 months.

>

>

> In a message dated 17/12/2005 14:01:27 GMT Standard Time,

mtklimek@p...

> writes:

>

> Try two suppliers in Italy

>

> 1. Farmacia Legnani

> dott.de Zanetti,

> 0039/ 02 48 01 38 99.

>

> 2. Dr. CARLO FIORENTINI

> Via 13/d

> 25121 BRESCIA

> Telefono 0303757159 - Fax 0303770210

>

>

>

> >>>Thanks you - where do they source the MB12? Does it come in

syringes?

>

> TIA

> MAndi in UK

>

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Suggested reference, " Vitamin B12 Deficiency, " C. Oh, in

American Family Physician, Vol 67, No.5, March 1, 2003.

There is evidence to support the existence of an alternative system

for the absorption of B12 that is independent of intrinsic factor or

even an intact terminal ileum. Approximately 1 percent of a large

oral dose of B12 is absorbed by this second mechanism.

(See Elia M., " Oral or parenteral therapy for B12 Deficiency " .

Lancet 1998;352:1721-2. Citation.

Lederle FA. " Oral cobalamin for pernicious anemia. Medicine's best

kept secret? " JAMA 1991;265:94-95.

Taken from the reference by Oh:

The initial oral replacement dose is a single daily dose of 1000 to

2000mcg. This high dose is required because of the variable

absorption of oral vitamin B12 in doses of 500mcg or less. This

regimen has been shown to be safe, cost-effective, and well

tolerated by patients.

Hope this is helpful.

>

> Does any site use oral b12 as supplementation? One of our

surgeons told me

> as long as it is given at 500mug /day it is sufficient. I have

any seen the

> shot or sublingual as the two modes for ideal absorption. I

thought it was

> due to limited intrinsic factor available in the new pouch. Any

insight?

>

>

>

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As an addendum to oral dosage:

The initial dose of 1000 to 2000mcg/day is given daily for one to

two weeks, followed by 1000mcg daily for life (maintenance dose).

> >

> > Does any site use oral b12 as supplementation? One of our

> surgeons told me

> > as long as it is given at 500mug /day it is sufficient. I have

> any seen the

> > shot or sublingual as the two modes for ideal absorption. I

> thought it was

> > due to limited intrinsic factor available in the new pouch. Any

> insight?

> >

> >

> >

> > Gundermann RD, CDE

> >

> > Manager of Clinical Nutrition Services

> >

> > Good Samaritan Hospital

> >

> > Bon Secours Charity Health System

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> As an addendum to oral dosage:

>

> The initial dose of 1000 to 2000mcg/day is given

> daily for one to

> two weeks, followed by 1000mcg daily for life

> (maintenance dose).

>

>

> > >

> > > Does any site use oral b12 as supplementation?

> One of our

> > surgeons told me

> > > as long as it is given at 500mug /day it is

> sufficient. I have

> > any seen the

> > > shot or sublingual as the two modes for ideal

> absorption. I

> > thought it was

> > > due to limited intrinsic factor available in the

> new pouch. Any

> > insight?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Gundermann RD, CDE

> > >

> > > Manager of Clinical Nutrition Services

> > >

> > > Good Samaritan Hospital

> > >

> > > Bon Secours Charity Health System

> > >

> > > (845) 368 - 5016

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What about if htey choose b12 shots, what are you guys recommending?

Townsend RD,LN Surgical Institute Sioux Falls, SD 57015

Re: B12As an addendum to oral dosage:The initial dose of 1000 to 2000mcg/day is given daily for one to two weeks, followed by 1000mcg daily for life (maintenance dose).> >> > Does any site use oral b12 as supplementation? One of our > surgeons told me> > as long as it is given at 500mug /day it is sufficient. I have > any seen the> > shot or sublingual as the two modes for ideal absorption. I > thought it was> > due to limited intrinsic factor available in the new pouch. Any > insight?> > > > > > > > Gundermann RD, CDE> > > > Manager of Clinical Nutrition Services> > > > Good Samaritan Hospital> > > > Bon Secours Charity Health System> > > > (845) 368 - 5016>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for your post Adrienne.

I have the same concerns and also would like information

about where you are having your prescription filled and the

cost.

At present, I give myself injections twice weekly and

will do a third if I am in a stressful time. It has a

calming effect and makes a huge difference.

Thanks, Joyce

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I haven't seen it, but I heard there was also a B12 patch.

B12

Does anyone have experience with nasal B12 (Nasocobal)?

I have a pt who hates the sublingual B12, MD does not want to have to

give injections, but the patient is deficient.

Thanks

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We have a few patients that use it, and so far the labs have looked great! And remember there is also a B12 patch. Hope this helps. hallieelise <suem4@...> wrote: Does anyone have experience with nasal B12 (Nasocobal)?I have a pt who hates the sublingual B12, MD does not want to have to give injections, but the patient is deficient. Thanks

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We use Nascobal as an option for our patients; however, the only problem I see with it is that they have to remember to take it once a week. I tell them to mark the calendar so that they won't forget! When they do take it it seems to work well. Judy Carty, RD St. Francis Hospital Hartford, CT

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We use Nascobal as an option for our patients; however, the only problem I see with it is that they have to remember to take it once a week. I tell them to mark the calendar so that they won't forget! When they do take it it seems to work well. Judy Carty, RD St. Francis Hospital Hartford, CT

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B12 gives you energy! It really does. Give it a try and after about a week or so, you should start noticing a better feeling of all-around better health. It comes in a sublingual form and that's the one I take. It's a slower release and goes right into my blood stream. My grandmother really believed in it and I think she was right. Deborah