Ok taking Armour in seperate 1 grain tablets but not 2 grain tablets

[Guest guest]

Hi - hope someone can help!

Have hypothyroid and hashimotos.

Started self medicating with Armour.

Got to 3 grains - felt great - swapped by two 1 grain tables for one 2 grain

tablet in morning and went badly hypo (worse than before starting treatment).

Can anyone suggest any reasons why this may be?

[Guest guest]

Hi

Caroline

WHY

are you having to start self-medication if you have been diagnosed with

hypothyroidism and Hashimoto's as the cause. You should be started on thyroid

hormone replacement by your GP.

When

taking any thyroid hormone replacement containing T3, either synthetic or

natural, it is often best for some sufferers to take it in split doses

throughout the day so you don't get the 'spike' of too much T3 in the blood all

at one go. Try cutting your two grain tablet and taking half in the morning an

hour before breakfast, another dose around 2.00p.m./3.00p.m. and another dose

around 6.00/7.00p.m. and see if that helps. Also, you need to ensure that

before starting any thyroid hormone replacement you are not suffering any of

the conditions outlined below.

There

are MANY reasons and many medical conditions associated with thyroid disease

that stop thyroid hormone from getting into the cells, where it does its work.

I mention these over and over and over again - ad nauseum - people must be

bored with the same old, same old but as each new member joins us, they need to

know.

The

main condition responsible for stopping thyroid hormone from working, is, quite

simply, a patients thyroxine dose is too low because the doctor or consultant

refuses to increase it, because the serum thyroid function test results appear

OK. Sometimes, the thyroxine dose is too high, yet patients still don't feel

well. They continue to suffer. Some reasons for this:

They

may be suffering with low adrenal reserve. The production of T4, its conversion

to T3, and the receptor uptake requires a normal amount of adrenal hormones,

notably, of course, cortisone. (Excess cortisone can shut production down,

however.) This is what happens if the adrenals are not responding properly, and

provision of cortisone usually switches it on again. But sometimes it

doesn’t. If the illness has been going on for a long time, the

enzyme seems to fail. This conversion failure (inexplicably denied by

many endocrinologists) means the thyroxine builds up, unconverted. So it

doesn’t work, and T4 toxicosis results. This makes the patient feel quite

unwell, toxic, often with palpitations and chest pain. If provision of adrenal

support doesn’t remedy the situation, the final solution is the use of

the active thyroid hormone, already converted, T3 - either synthetic or

natural.

Then,

we have systemic candidiasis. This is where candida albicans, a yeast, which

causes skin infections almost anywhere in the body, invades the lining of the

lower part of the small intestine and the large intestine. Here, the

candida sets up residence in the warmth and the dark, and demands to be

fed. Loving sugars and starches, candida can make you suffer terrible

sweet cravings. Candida can produce toxins which can cause very many

symptoms of exhaustion, headache, general illness, and which interfere with the

uptake of thyroid and adrenal treatment. Sometimes the levels - which we

usually test for - can be very high, and make successful treatment difficult to

achieve until adequately treated.

Then

there is receptor resistance which could be a culprit. Being hypothyroid

for some considerable time may mean the biochemical mechanisms which permit the

binding of T3 to the receptors, is downgraded - so the T3 won’t go

in. With slow build up of T3, with full adrenal support and adequate

vitamins and minerals, the receptors do come on line again. But this can

be quite a slow process, and care has to be taken to build the dose up

gradually.

And

then there are Food allergies. The most common food allergy is allergy to

gluten, the protein fraction of wheat. The antibody generated by the body, by a

process of molecular mimicry, cross reacts with the thyroperoxidase enzyme,

(which makes thyroxine) and shuts it down. So allergy to bread can make

you hypothyroid. There may be other food allergies with this kind of effect,

but information on these is scanty. Certainly allergic response to

certain foods can affect adrenal function and imperil thyroid production and

uptake.

Then

we have hormone imbalances. The whole of the endocrine system is linked; each

part of it needs the other parts to be operating normally to work

properly. An example of this we have seen already, with cortisone.

But another example is the operation of sex hormones. The imbalance that

occurs at the menopause with progesterone running down, and a relative

dominance of oestrogen is a further case in point – oestrogen dominance

downgrades production, transportation and uptake of thyroid hormones.

This is why hypothyroidism may first appear at the menopause; the symptoms

ascribed to this alone, which is then treated – often with extra

oestrogen, making the whole thing worse. Deficiency in progesterone most

especially needs to be dealt with, since it reverses oestrogen dominance,

improves many menopausal symptoms like sweats and mood swings, and reverses

osteoporosis. Happily natural progesterone cream is easily obtained: when

used it has the added benefit of helping to stabilise adrenal function.

Then,

we must never forget the possibility of mercury poisoning (through amalgam

fillings) - low levels of ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate,

copper and zinc - all of which, if low, stop the thyroid hormone from being

utilised by the cells - these have to be treated.

As

Dr Peatfield says " When you have been quite unwell for a long time, all

these problems have to be dealt with; and since each may affect the other, it

all has to be done rather carefully.

Contrary

to cherished beliefs by much of the medical establishment, the correction of a

thyroid deficiency state has a number of complexities and variables, which make

the treatment usually quite specific for each person. The balancing of

these variables is as much up to you as to me – which is why a check of

morning, day and evening temperatures and pulse rates, together with symptoms,

good and bad, can be so helpful.

Many

of you have been ill for a long time, either because you have not been

diagnosed, or the treatment leaves you still quite unwell. Those of you

who have relatively mild hypothyroidism, and have been diagnosed relatively

quickly, may well respond to synthetic thyroxine, the standard treatment.

I am therefore unlikely to see you; since if the thyroxine proves satisfactory

in use, it is merely a question of dosage.

For

many of you, the outstanding problem is not that the diagnosis has not been

made – although, extraordinarily, this is disgracefully common –

but that is has, and the thyroxine treatment doesn’t work. The dose

has been altered up and down, and clinical improvement is variable and

doesn’t last, in spite of blood tests, which say you are perfectly all

right (and therefore you are actually depressed and need this fine

antidepressant).

The

above problems must be eliminated if thyroid hormone isn't working for you.

Check

also our FILES section thyroid treatment

and click on the FOLDER 'All Natural Thyroid Extract' and then click on the

document entitled 'How to Treat Uaing Thyhroid Extract' and read the

information from there, and be guided by this recommended procedure.

Luv

- Sheila

Hi - hope someone can help!

Have hypothyroid and hashimotos.

Started self medicating with Armour.

Got to 3 grains - felt great - swapped by two 1 grain tables for one 2 grain

tablet in morning and went badly hypo (worse than before starting treatment).

Can anyone suggest any reasons why this may be?

[Guest guest]

ok so has the only change been that instead of taking 2 1grain tablets at the

same time, you take 1x2 grain tablet at the same time?

how were you taking the one x2grain tablet? how do youtake the 2 tablets?

whole? crush them? with meal, before breakfast?

if you're taking one tablet versus two then it'll have a smaller surface area

and be harder to break down i think and you may not absorb the same, whereas two

small ones would have more surface area to breakdown and absrob the thyroid?

but if you crushed the 2 grain and crush the 1 grains, i don't see what the

difference would be.

please provide more info

is the armour from the same source? it's been what 2 yrs since the

reformulation of armour, but is there any chance you were on the old armour

before and have gone onto the new one? (a long shot, i know)

chris

>

> Hi - hope someone can help!

>

> Have hypothyroid and hashimotos.

>

> Started self medicating with Armour.

>

> Got to 3 grains - felt great - swapped by two 1 grain tables for one 2 grain

tablet in morning and went badly hypo (worse than before starting treatment).

>

> Can anyone suggest any reasons why this may be?

>

[Guest guest]

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HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE CLICKING 'SEND' . MANY THANKS,. LUV - SHEILA

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Thank you and Sheila

I self medicate as the T4 prescribed by my doctor for a year did not work

despite the gradual increases, and understand that if you have Hashimotos taking

natural thyroid normally works better - which it has.

I think I now know the answer to my question by searching previous posts in that

it has been caused by uping my dose too quickly, and T3 reversing and making me

hypo.

Sheila your advise is very helpful - thank you - I will bear these all in mind

should things not improve

>

> Hi Caroline

>

> WHY are you having to start self-medication if you have been diagnosed with

> hypothyroidism and Hashimoto's as the cause. You should be started on

> thyroid hormone replacement by your GP.

>

> When taking any thyroid hormone replacement containing T3, either synthetic

> or natural, it is often best for some sufferers to take it in split doses

> throughout the day so you don't get the 'spike' of too much T3 in the blood

> all at one go. Try cutting your two grain tablet and taking half in the

> morning an hour before breakfast, another dose around 2.00p.m./3.00p.m. and

> another dose around 6.00/7.00p.m. and see if that helps. Also, you need to

> ensure that before starting any thyroid hormone replacement you are not

> suffering any of the conditions outlined below.

>