Guest guest Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Then ask for a referral to a psychologist. It is quite often the psychologist who writes eventually to his patient's GP telling him that the patient does not have a psychological problem but a thyroid problem, and that the patient would benefit from a trial of thyroid hormone replacement. I kid you not! Also, ask the doctor for a full copy of all your thyroid function test results with their reference range together with other recent blood tests you have had done. A doctor cannot withhold such information from you under the Date Protection Act 1998. When you have got the results, post them on the forum with the ref. range for each test done so we can help with their interpretation. If the tests were not done that you asked for, ask for them again, only this time, in writing. Luv - Sheila He just wrote the tests down I posted. There were no results but I did notice the TSH was 0.2. He said my problems are not physical, I was perfectly healthy, and it was probably psychological. > > do you have copies of all these tests? If not GET THEM. Also post the > results and ranges of your latest labs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 MODERATED TO REMOVE MOST OF PREVIOUS MESSAGE: PLEASE REMOVE MOST OF THE MESSAGE YOU'RE RESPONDING TO AND LEAVE ONLY A SENTENCE OR TWO. I did ask for a referral to a psychologist. He said he couldn't get me an appointment with one before Sept 11th, when I fly back to Saudi Arabia (I work out there and am there most of the year). I saw the results of the TSH test but nothing else. Jackie > > Then ask for a referral to a psychologist. It is quite often the > psychologist who writes eventually to his patient's GP telling him that the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Jackie, don't ever allow ANY doctor to make you feel deflated. How rude, how ignorant. He is supposed to WORK WITH HIS PATIENT - and as Chris says, not against them. This is why I always say to write a letter of requests and to post it to them, then they have time to 'calm down' if their poor little ego's have been a teeny bit ruffled. Pat him on the head, and tell him that " everything matters, but not frightfully " ….- or alternatively " keep calm, and carry on - and please just write out the blood request form for me and I will be happy to suffer the pain of getting my blood drawn nurse Dracula " *grin*. Remember, it is WE PATIENTS who allow our doctors to treat us in such a way - we must not allow this to continue. Luv - Sheila > > Sorry Sheila I just saw this. I went to the doc today and he didn't seem very happy about my questioning the tests he did. I feel deflated. I will do the temperature taking and go from there. Thanks. Jackie > .._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 perhaps there is something else going on - not thyroid. have you read dr Thierry Hertoghe's book? It goes over all the hormones. I'd suggest reading that also, vitamins can be important to get thyroid hormones to work. pretty sure that dr rind said a low tsh can mean that the body can't use much thyroid (adrenals, perhaps). TSH: Is a hormone produced by the pituitary gland and whose function is to signal the thyroid gland to make more thyroid hormone. It represents the pituitary's need or desire for more thyroid hormone (T4 or T3). Thus a high TSH level is like the pituitary saying it has a `high need for thyroid hormone' or the body can tolerate more thyroid energy than it is getting and it is meant to generate more thyroid hormone production. Conversely, a low TSH reflects either a low need or desire for thyroid hormone or a low tolerance for the thyroid hormone and is meant to reduce thyroid hormone production. An optimal value of TSH means the thyroid hormone levels match the body's energy needs and/or ability to utilize the energy. http://www.drrind.com/therapies/thyroid-scale > > I posted a message with what he gave me but it hasn't appeared. > > He said my TSH was well within range (0.2 apparently) and these were the tests he carried out in March: > Full Blood Count Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 To be honest I was thinking it might be another hormone. I have massive mood swings when premenstrual, always have had. I just want someone to tell me what it is though because I'm not sure I can do all the research with this brain fog. I have a degree, I used to be very studious but now it takes me all my time to read peoples replies on here. ( > > perhaps there is something else going on - not thyroid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 I just feel like I'll never get to the bottom of this. I'm not sure I'm strong enough to dig like I need to. This is not like me normally, but it is like me over the past couple of years ( > > Jackie, don't ever allow ANY doctor to make you feel deflated. How rude, how > ignorant. He is supposed to WORK WITH HIS PATIENT - [Ed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Hi JackieYou don't need a psychologist..... but remember when I used kinesiology and put that Armour on you and it strengthened you? It's because it's good for you and you need it, but you (like me) need to support your adrenals first. You can get the details of the Nutri contact and discount in the Files section. Also get yourself all those other vitamins and minerals people have suggested on here as well as going gluten free. Just going gluten free will make such a big difference. With regard to thyroid hormones and PMS:http://www.cumc.columbia.edu/dept/thyroid/women.html Premenstrual Syndrome (PMS) Since hypothyroidism slows down virtually every process of the body, its symptoms often mimic those of premenstrual syndrome (PMS), including bloating, weight gain, mood changes (depression, irritability), changes in libido, sleep disorders, fatigue, malaise, and constipation. Women with hypothyroidism may notice improvement in their symptoms of PMS with thyroid hormone treatment. I wouldn't pay much heed to the blood results, you know you have all the symptoms, but you ARE entitled to have a print out of all of them (which will show the reference ranges) from the surgery. I know how you feel, because I was just the same until very recently, up against a brick wall, but with a combination of the help and support on this forum, little by little, due to your low energy, you will get better ! Remember too, that even in Saudi, you'll still have access to the internet, this forum and also able to order the things you need.Jackie Kay x I did ask for a referral to a psychologist. He said he couldn't get me an appointment with one before Sept 11th, when I fly back to Saudi Arabia (I work out there and am there most of the year). I saw the results of the TSH test but nothing else. Jackie On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Jackie <speechieuk@...> wrote: To be honest I was thinking it might be another hormone. I have massive mood swings when premenstrual, always have had. I just want someone to tell me what it is though because I'm not sure I can do all the research with this brain fog. I have a degree, I used to be very studious but now it takes me all my time to read peoples replies on here. ( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 ok well there's two options here if you have enough money, you can see someone goood, and you can pass over your problem to them (what i've had to do, i , like you couldn't sort it alone). are you the person going back to saudi? if you've not, then you need to break it down into bits you can manage. firstly, doing the hertoghe questionnare, and look for clues, possilby doing an adrenal test. people will help you with all this. C > > I just feel like I'll never get to the bottom of this. I'm not sure I'm strong enough to dig like I need to. This is not like me normally, but it is like me over the past couple of years ( > > --- In thyroid treatment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 I think I responded to this. Doctors and patients should work together. Honestly, who cares whether this doctor is happy or not. He should be pleased that his patient is working with him to help herself get better. Might be better to write a letter to the doctor then you can't see whether he is upset or not. He will get over it - they just don't like to know that some of their patients just might know a little more than they do, but this is YOUR HEALTH Jackie - and not his. Luv - Sheila Sorry Sheila I just saw this. I went to the doc today and he didn't seem very happy about my questioning the tests he did. I feel deflated. I will do the temperature taking and go from there. Thanks. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 How do I find someone good? Yes, I'm going back to Saudi. Where is the hertoghe questionnaire? How do I do an adrenal test? Jackie > > ok well there's two options here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 first things first...i already sent you the link to the questionnaire ? if you go to: thyroid treatment/files and then i think 'medical questionnaires' and then there's a file which is called something like dr hertoghe questionnaire if you answer the questions it may indicate where your problems may lie (it is simplistic but it can be helpful). the adrenal saliva test is ordered from genova diagnostics: thyroid treatment/files/GENOVA%20DIAGN\ OSTICS%20INFO/ and then go to : genova diagnostics. The saliva test will show you your cortisol levels over the course of a day chris > > How do I find someone good? Yes, I'm going back to Saudi. Where is the hertoghe questionnaire? How do I do an adrenal test? Jackie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 Thanks Chris. Sorry, my head feels full of cotton wool right now. Jackie > > first things first...i already sent you the link to the questionnaire ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 sorry i know the feeling (trust me) do you have the money to go private? (i know you shouldn't have to, but) chris > > Thanks Chris. Sorry, my head feels full of cotton wool right now. Jackie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 Yes, we probably do. Might make us have to stay in Saudi a bit longer (hoping to retire in 4 years) but I need to get to the bottom of this. I did the questionnaire. This was the result: ACTH is probably deficient Aldosterone is probably deficient Calcitocin is Satisfcatory Cortisol is probably deficient DHEA is possibly deficient EPO is probably deficient Estrogen is possibly deficient Growth Hormone is possibly deficient Insulin is Satisfcatory Melatonin is probably deficient Pregnenolone is possibly deficient Progestrerone is probably deficient, if you are menturating or post-menopausal woman on HRT is probably deficient, if you are post-menopausal woman not on HRT Testosterone is probably deficient, if you are a woman is possibly deficient, if you are a man Thyroid Hormones is probably deficient Vasopressin is possibly deficient Now what?? Jackie > > sorry i know the feeling (trust me) > > do you have the money to go private? (i know you shouldn't have to, but) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Go to our FILES section Jackie which you can access from the Menu on the Home Page of our forum web site thyroid treatment On the page that opens, scroll down to 'Medical Questionnaires' and you can find adrenal, candida and magnesium questionnaires in there. Answer the questions there and see how you score and let us know. If you go to the ADRENAL folder - open that and you will find some 'Home Testing' you can do too. Whilst still in the FILES, scroll down the folders to the one entitled 'Discounts on Tests and Supplements' and open the document entitled 'Genova Diagnostics'. There you will see the 24 hour salivary adrenal profile. That is the test you need. Follow the instructions to order on that page and tell them that 'Thyroid patient Advocacy' is your Medical practitioner to claim y our discount. Don't worry, the results will be sent direct to you and this should be approximately 10 days after you send the samples back. These compile four little test tubes with four little straws. You place one end of the straw in your mouth, the other in the test tube, and proceed to spit down the straw until you have filled it three quarter up with saliva. You do this at around 8.00a.m. - 12 noon - 4.00p.m. and again at midnight. I will send you my list of recommended doctors privately. Luv - Sheila From: thyroid treatment [mailto:thyroid treatment ] On Behalf Of Jackie Sent: 21 July 2011 22:17 thyroid treatment Subject: Re: Where to start? How do I find someone good? Yes, I'm going back to Saudi. Where is the hertoghe questionnaire? How do I do an adrenal test? Jackie > > ok well there's two options here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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