dairy

[Guest guest]

--- kevin janega <kjanega@...> wrote:

> it seems to be a recurring theme with the dairy.

I recently found out that I am violently lactose

intolerant. I imagine it is all part of the same

auto-immune condition; that is, that the arthritis did

not

" cause " the lactose intolerance, and the lactose

intolerance did not " cause " the arthritis. Rather,

they both share a common source: a generally weak

immune system.

, North Jersey Highlands

raharris@...

http://satipatthana.org

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[Guest guest]

My experience with dairy is that you have to eliminate it for awhile

(maybe a month?) to notice any differences. Also, it's surprising how

many foods have dairy in them when you read the packages. So to truly

test yourself as to how dairy affects you, it's important to read

everything that goes into your mouth. For instance, if you eat anything

baked, it might have dairy. Some kind of chips have dairy, etc. And even

if you can tolerate lactose or casein, dairy is mucous producing. Anyone

with sinus problems or asthma should probably avoid dairy. (I'm giving

myself a lecture right now because I need to exclude dairy also, and

I've been in denial about it.)

Marsha

[Guest guest]

Hi Marsha,

" My experience with dairy is that you have to eliminate it for awhile

(maybe a month?) to notice any differences. Also, it's surprising how

many foods have dairy in them when you read the packages. So to truly

test yourself as to how dairy affects you, it's important to read

everything that goes into your mouth. For instance, if you eat anything

baked, it might have dairy. Some kind of chips have dairy, etc. And even

if you can tolerate lactose or casein, dairy is mucous producing. Anyone

with sinus problems or asthma should probably avoid dairy. "

I keep getting that answer. Even my health provider keeps telling me this.

UUGGHH!! Well, I have to listen to my body. I am planning on chicken soup this

week and fish, so hopefully I can avoid cheese by the end of the week, no

sooner!

I know what you mean about the foods that have dairy. I have to read all labels

and cook 80% of my food from scratch because the diet I am on, The Specific

Carbohydrate Diet, says no sugar and no added milk. When I first started in

November, I couldn't believe how much stuff had milk added. We are allowed to

have aged cheeses and yogurt, but like I said, I think the whole food category

will have to go. BOO HOO!

" I've been in denial about it.) "

I am coming out of my denial too.

God bless,

KJ

[Guest guest]

I disagree. Unless it creates too much mucus for you, raw dairy is a wonderful

health food. Abbadi

" M. " <puhutes@...> wrote:then again, no one should eat dairy

There aren't

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[Guest guest]

Milk is over rated. I can't believe how much milk I used to drink. I loved

the stuff. The cattle providing the milk live no where near a natural

lifestyle these days. I'd say milk is a dairy everyone with candidiasis

should avoid.

> Re: Dairy

>

>

> I disagree. Unless it creates too much mucus for you, raw dairy is a

> wonderful health food. Abbadi

>

> " M. " <puhutes@...> wrote:then again, no one should eat

> dairy There aren't

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

My doctor agrees with you. There is too much crap given to the cows, all

the antibiotics and such.

Candace

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From: DJ Tech [mailto:candida@...]

Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 11:48 AM

candidiasis

Subject: RE: Dairy

Milk is over rated. I can't believe how much milk I used to drink. I loved

the stuff. The cattle providing the milk live no where near a natural

lifestyle these days. I'd say milk is a dairy everyone with candidiasis

should avoid.

[Guest guest]

That could be, but honestly, I think there is a law

against that here in Canada. Maybe not, but I cannot

find unpasturized dairy ANYWHERE. Not even at the

healthfood stores. It simply does not exist here I

guess maybe if I went to a farmer and asked, but not

in any stores.

*8-)

--- Abbadi <kmabbadi@...> wrote:

> I disagree. Unless it creates too much mucus for

> you, raw dairy is a wonderful health food.

> Abbadi

>

[Guest guest]

Yes and hormones. I think that the hormones given to the cattle have a lot

to do with why the young kids are maturing physically so much quicker

compared to the past.

> RE: Dairy

>

> My doctor agrees with you. There is too much crap given to the cows, all

> the antibiotics and such.

[Guest guest]

Stoneyfield farms make good yogurt IMHO. I find raw butter in the

supermarkets but I'm in Michigan. Us lucky Americans huh

> Re: Dairy

>

> That could be, but honestly, I think there is a law

> against that here in Canada. Maybe not, but I cannot

> find unpasturized dairy ANYWHERE. Not even at the

> healthfood stores. It simply does not exist here I

> guess maybe if I went to a farmer and asked, but not

> in any stores.

>

> *8-)

>

> --- Abbadi <kmabbadi@...> wrote:

> > I disagree. Unless it creates too much mucus for

> > you, raw dairy is a wonderful health food.

> > Abbadi

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Protein in general has a lot to do with that too.

Protein is needed for growth. We now consume 60-70%

more animal protein than we did in th early 1900s.

*8-)

--- DJ Tech <candida@...> wrote:

> Yes and hormones. I think that the hormones given

> to the cattle have a lot

> to do with why the young kids are maturing

> physically so much quicker

> compared to the past.

>

[Guest guest]

And if that isn't enough bad news on the dairy, if you've read Hulda ,

she says all dairy is full of parasites. And that you should boil milk and

butter (ghie) before using. Makes sense to me.

RE: Dairy

> Protein in general has a lot to do with that too.

> Protein is needed for growth. We now consume 60-70%

> more animal protein than we did in th early 1900s.

>

> *8-)

>

> --- DJ Tech <candida@...> wrote:

> > Yes and hormones. I think that the hormones given

> > to the cattle have a lot

> > to do with why the young kids are maturing

> > physically so much quicker

> > compared to the past.

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:18:32 -0400 (EDT)

From: " M. " <puhutes@...>

That could be, but honestly, I think there is a law

against that here in Canada. Maybe not, but I cannot

find unpasturized dairy ANYWHERE. I

guess maybe if I went to a farmer and asked, but not

in any stores.

Hi ,

That's what I did. Here in Oregon, it's not illegal to sell raw milk but

you can't find it anywhere in the stores. The commercial dairies won't even

sell it to you. So I found a family that had two cows and is selling raw

milk.

Sherry

[Guest guest]

Okay yes... yogurt and butter and cheese, but " raw

milk " simply does not exist here. It is all

pasturized.

*8-)

--- DJ Tech <candida@...> wrote:

> Stoneyfield farms make good yogurt IMHO. I find raw

> butter in the

> supermarkets but I'm in Michigan. Us lucky

> Americans huh

>

[Guest guest]

Oh boy! Never thought of that either *puke*

*8-)

> And if that isn't enough bad news on the dairy, if

> you've read Hulda ,

> she says all dairy is full of parasites. And that

> you should boil milk and

> butter (ghie) before using. Makes sense to me.

>

[Guest guest]

Milk is currently one of my allergies. I get diarrhea

when I eat cheese and stopped up if I drink milk. I

may consider buying raw just to see if there will be a

difference. I tried goats, and there was no difference

with that but I am curious to know if raw will be a

different story We have an organic farmers market

here every Saturday... so I will check it out!

*8-)

>

> Hi ,

>

> That's what I did. Here in Oregon, it's not

> illegal to sell raw milk but

> you can't find it anywhere in the stores. The

> commercial dairies won't even

> sell it to you. So I found a family that had two

> cows and is selling raw

> milk.

>

> Sherry

>

>

[Guest guest]

> That could be, but honestly, I think there is a law

> against that here in Canada. Maybe not, but I cannot

> find unpasturized dairy ANYWHERE. Not even at the

> healthfood stores. It simply does not exist here I

> guess maybe if I went to a farmer and asked, but not

> in any stores.

>

It is illegal to sell or give away raw milk anywhere in Canada.

Only the person who owns the animal may use the unpasteurized milk.

It is even illegal for a farmer to give unpasteurized milk to his family if you

can believe it.

It's very draconian.

The penalty in Ontario can be up to $250,000 and 3 years in jail.

http://www.realmilk.com/

Bruce

[Guest guest]

GAH!!! SERIOUSLY?? Who makes these rules? Europe sells

unpasturized milk and delivers it door to door still.

When and why did we ever get out of that tradition?

Why are we not allowed the choice? *phew* okay... I am

really damn unhappy about that! Thanks

*8-)

> It is illegal to sell or give away raw milk anywhere

> in Canada.

> Only the person who owns the animal may use the

> unpasteurized milk.

>

> It is even illegal for a farmer to give

> unpasteurized milk to his family if you can believe

> it.

> It's very draconian.

>

> The penalty in Ontario can be up to $250,000 and 3

> years in jail.

> http://www.realmilk.com/

>

> Bruce

>

[Guest guest]

*nod* Agreed.. crazy that weed is now " legal " but we

can't even choose healthy milk if we want to!

*8-)

--- Abbadi <kmabbadi@...> wrote:

> How facist! I drink raw milk all the time and have

> had no problems. You all should protest to your

> government. Abbadi

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > That could be, but honestly, I think there is a law

> > against that here in Canada. Maybe not, but I cannot

> > find unpasturized dairy ANYWHERE. Not even at the

> > healthfood stores. It simply does not exist here I

> > guess maybe if I went to a farmer and asked, but not

> > in any stores.

> >

A little off topic but .......... Has anyone noticed how many people on

this forum are from Ontario, Canada? Is there mould in the air here or

something that so many of us have Candida??? ............ Chemtrails are

full of mould! That's it!! LOL

[Guest guest]

I agree

Re: Dairy

>

>

> I disagree. Unless it creates too much mucus for you, raw dairy is a

> wonderful health food. Abbadi

>

> " M. " <puhutes@...> wrote:then again, no one should eat

> dairy There aren't

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I can't remember the reason for that, but I vaguely remember a health story as

to why they started pasteurizing in the first place.

I've seen unpasterized milk (I think). I don't drink milk, so I can't be 100%

sure, but doesn't Organic Meadows have one?

Did you search online?

Later

Mich

Re: Dairy

That could be, but honestly, I think there is a law

against that here in Canada. Maybe not, but I cannot

find unpasturized dairy ANYWHERE. Not even at the

healthfood stores. It simply does not exist here I

guess maybe if I went to a farmer and asked, but not

in any stores.

*8-)

--- Abbadi <kmabbadi@...> wrote:

> I disagree. Unless it creates too much mucus for

> you, raw dairy is a wonderful health food.

> Abbadi

>

[Guest guest]

Then why use butter, why not just use oil?

RE: Dairy

> Protein in general has a lot to do with that too.

> Protein is needed for growth. We now consume 60-70%

> more animal protein than we did in th early 1900s.

>

> *8-)

>

> --- DJ Tech <candida@...> wrote:

> > Yes and hormones. I think that the hormones given

> > to the cattle have a lot

> > to do with why the young kids are maturing

> > physically so much quicker

> > compared to the past.

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

What about rice cheese? I love it & even my son loves it.

I can get you the name of it if you want. If there is any dairy in it, it's

very small minute amounts that it doesn't affect me & I think it tastes like

mozzarella & can't eat the real stuff anymore. LOL

Re: Re: Dairy

Milk is currently one of my allergies. I get diarrhea

when I eat cheese and stopped up if I drink milk. I

may consider buying raw just to see if there will be a

difference. I tried goats, and there was no difference

with that but I am curious to know if raw will be a

different story We have an organic farmers market

here every Saturday... so I will check it out!

*8-)

>

> Hi ,

>

> That's what I did. Here in Oregon, it's not

> illegal to sell raw milk but

> you can't find it anywhere in the stores. The

> commercial dairies won't even

> sell it to you. So I found a family that had two

> cows and is selling raw

> milk.

>

> Sherry

>

>

[Guest guest]

Geeze,

Well that doesn't mean we have to follow everything.

I'm of the adage that we are responsible for ourselves & so long as I'm not

harming anyone else, it's my decision.

I don't believe the government owns us, or knows what's best for us. In fact, I

feel they harm us more than they help us, but hey, I'm just one person amongst

masses that do what they are told. LOL

Cya

Re: Dairy

> That could be, but honestly, I think there is a law

> against that here in Canada. Maybe not, but I cannot

> find unpasturized dairy ANYWHERE. Not even at the

> healthfood stores. It simply does not exist here I

> guess maybe if I went to a farmer and asked, but not

> in any stores.

>

It is illegal to sell or give away raw milk anywhere in Canada.

Only the person who owns the animal may use the unpasteurized milk.

It is even illegal for a farmer to give unpasteurized milk to his family if

you can believe it.

It's very draconian.

The penalty in Ontario can be up to $250,000 and 3 years in jail.

http://www.realmilk.com/

Bruce

[Guest guest]

Hey, when did they legalize it behind my back? LOL

I thought they reversed legalization b/c the States was threatening with their

big bad wolf ways?

Back & forth, back & forth LOL

Re: Dairy

*nod* Agreed.. crazy that weed is now " legal " but we

can't even choose healthy milk if we want to!

*8-)

--- Abbadi <kmabbadi@...> wrote:

> How facist! I drink raw milk all the time and have

> had no problems. You all should protest to your

> government. Abbadi

>