Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Hi all, I'm posting below a discussion in the wake of the ASH meeting. This is from a series about CML from ASH that I am privvy to. I'm not posting them all because there are too many (62 pages in a pdf) but will post some of them. I have also removed links and references for my convenience. Below is the fourth one. ~ G. www.cmlsupport.com <http://www.cmlsupport.com/> =================== Matching Patient Response to Optimal Imatinib Dosing Yang, MD, PhD: This discussion raises important clinical questions for the community physician. What is the optimal dose of imatinib? When should a dose higher than 400 mg be used? Should higher doses be reserved only for accelerated-phase or blast-crisis CML? Should the dose be increased only when patients do not achieve molecular milestones, or should dose increases be based on how patients feel? Hagop Kantarjian, MD: I think the general feeling among most of the investigators in this field is that for most newly diagnosed patients with CML, the standard dose of 400 mg is enough, whereas higher doses should be used only in selected instances such as accelerated-phase or blast-crisis CML or for patients who either failed to achieve an optimal response or have lost their optimal response. More specifically, high-dose imatinib is probably warranted when standard therapy has failed to produce a complete hematologic response at 3 months or a major cytogenetic response at 12 months, or when either cytogenetic or hematologic response has been lost. Other than these instances, I think high-dose imatinib remains investigational and should not be used in community practice. O'Brien, MB ChB: I think that is a fair assessment of when to increase the dose. In practice, however, it is actually quite difficult to deliver the higher doses in most of those patients because of both hematologic and nonhematologic toxicity. Jane Apperley, MD: That is a good point. It has been noted that the development of cytopenias in those first few months is definitively associated with a poorer outcome.[16] However, we need to ask ourselves whether the poor outcome is biologically destined in that individual patient or whether the cytopenias prevent delivery of optimal drug doses. There is a lack of consensus as to what to do when a patient is clearly losing response. Although the natural inclination is to increase the dose, I think it is important to consider why the patient is losing the response and to consider sending samples to a major center to look for mutations. Such an analysis could reveal reasons for the loss of response that could alter the subsequent treatment strategy. Yang, MD, PhD: Would you send samples for analysis if the patient has had a molecular relapse, or would you wait? Jane Apperley, MD: I think any major change in a patient's condition, such as a change from a molecular response to nonmolecular response, the loss of a cytogenetic response, or the loss of hematological response would be a reason to send samples for molecular analysis. We are looking quite carefully at why loss of response occurs, and it is clear from the available data that some of these mutations are not responsive to the new agents or to higher doses of existing therapy. Hagop Kantarjian, MD: Unfortunately, mutation analysis is not available to the vast majority of physicians and patients. Furhthermore, the significance of those mutations remains uncertain, not to mention what is to be done once those mutations are detected. Several studies have shown that if a patient has cytogenetic or hematologic relapse, or shows a significant rise in molecular disease on PCR, then those mutations, if detected, have clinical relevance.[17-21] They may predict lack of response not only to imatinib but also to the new kinase inhibitors, necessitating a major change of therapy. On the other hand, we may detect mutations that are worrisome but not necessarily relevant in patients who are responding. We have to monitor those patients and perhaps stop sending samples from patients who are responsive. However, we should continue sending samples to detect mutations in patients who are not responsive by accepted criteria, such as hematologic relapse, cytogenetic relapse, or a significant rise in molecular disease. In those instances, if particularly relevant mutations such as T315I are detected, it may not make sense to give high-dose imatinib or one of the new kinase inhibitors. Rather, it may make more sense to take these patients to immediate transplant. Yang, MD, PhD: Dr. O'Brien, what do you do if you find a T315I mutation in a sequencing analysis of BCR-ABL? O'Brien, MB ChB: This is an excellent question. Contradictory data were presented at this meeting about the relevance of that particular mutation. For example, Dr. Sherbenou and colleagues[20] showed that T315I could be detected, yet seemed to have no clinically significant effects, in patients with complete cytogenetic responses. So it does not appear that having T315I will inevitably lead to clinical problems. I think that monitoring by PCR and then perhaps performing mutation analysis is an absolutely cost-effective, reasonably evidence-based approach. Regular PCR monitoring should trigger a mutation analysis if there is a significant increase in molecular disease. What is deemed significant can be debated, but it is usually fairly apparent. Hagop Kantarjian, MD: There are many studies on the significance of mutations in the context of imatinib therapy in CML. The bottom line is that the significance of any given mutation depends on several factors: the context (eg, responsive disease vs resistant disease), the kind of mutation (eg, T315I vs less important mutations), and what to do once the mutation is detected. Depending on these factors, imatinib therapy may or may not help. Another important question is when is it necessary to act on those mutations? The study from Dr. Sherbenou evaluated patients who were in cytogenetic response. There were 8 patients who had T315I mutations. Although several of those patients progressed, some patients who had the mutation did quite well. Importantly, one could not detect any difference in outcome solely on the basis of whether a patient had mutations, regardless of if they were P-loop or non-P-loop mutations, or if there was a T315I mutation. This just proves that studies in cytogenetically responsive disease may generate misleading data and that the discovery of mutations in otherwise asymptomatic patients should not necessarily be interpreted in the same way as mutations found in resistant disease. Jane Apperley, MD: This point about mutations is quite important but needs to be confirmed by other groups, because mutation analysis is highly dependent on the detection methods and standards of sensitivity that are employed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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