Re: Math facts - UGH

[Guest guest]

Don't be too discouraged. My oldest (non-DS) is in 4th grade and still has trouble with addition and subtraction facts without using his fingers, but.... he doesn't really have any problem with multiplication. I also have tried everything I can think of to get Austin to memorize his addition and subtraction facts, but to no avail. I just wanted to let you know that multiplication 'may' be easier.

Have you tried using objects, like blocks or pennies? Something concrete to see while counting, may help.

Good luck and if you find something that works, let me know!

Cheryl

Mom to Austin, 10, Tyler, 6 and Hunter, DS, who is 5 TODAY!!!

Math facts - UGH

For those of you with kids a little older, here is my dilemma. is in 3rd grade and her math teacher has been trying (for over a year!) by use of flashcards to get her to learn addition facts. We do them at home too. She is a wiz with using her number line, gets 100% on her math papers and can do it really quickly that way, but really almost doesn't understand the concept of memorizing the facts. She tries to use the number line, or her fingers or just looks at me blankly. Part of me wonders if she really *needs* to learn the math facts, maybe she can just have a number line on her kitchen wall as an adult, LOL. But seriously, we've been working on these addition facts for over a year with almost no progress, then will come subtraction facts and then the dreaded multiplication tables?? Seems like it will take from now until High school to memorize all that, if she even gets it then. SO, what do you think? Does she need to memorize them and then if so, how? Has anyone had success with a specific program?

Thanks so much,Kathy

[Guest guest]

I don't really even know my math facts in that automatic memorized way and I was a math minor in college! To add say 6+8, I think really fast in my head 6 and 6 is 12 plus 2 is 14 - it's automatic but I don't think that is going to happen for .

Kathy

Math facts - UGH

For those of you with kids a little older, here is my dilemma. is in 3rd grade and her math teacher has been trying (for over a year!) by use of flashcards to get her to learn addition facts. We do them at home too. She is a wiz with using her number line, gets 100% on her math papers and can do it really quickly that way, but really almost doesn't understand the concept of memorizing the facts. She tries to use the number line, or her fingers or just looks at me blankly. Part of me wonders if she really *needs* to learn the math facts, maybe she can just have a number line on her kitchen wall as an adult, LOL. But seriously, we've been working on these addition facts for over a year with almost no progress, then will come subtraction facts and then the dreaded multiplication tables?? Seems like it will take from now until High school to memorize all that, if she even gets it then. SO, what do you think? Does she need to memorize them and then if so, how? Has anyone had success with a specific program?

Thanks so much,Kathy

[Guest guest]

Have you tried using Touch Math with her?

http://www.touchmath.com

kathyR

From: Down Syndrome Treatment

[mailto:Down Syndrome Treatment ] On Behalf Of Kathy

Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006

9:11 AM

To:

Down Syndrome Treatment

Subject: Re:

Math facts - UGH

I don't really even know my math facts in

that automatic memorized way and I was a math minor in college! To add

say 6+8, I think really fast in my head 6 and 6 is 12 plus 2 is 14 - it's

automatic but I don't think that is going to happen for .

Kathy

Math facts - UGH

For those of you with kids a little older,

here is my dilemma. is in 3rd grade and her math teacher has

been trying (for over a year!) by use of flashcards to get her to learn

addition facts. We do them at home too. She is a wiz with using her

number line, gets 100% on her math papers and can do it really quickly that

way, but really almost doesn't understand the concept of memorizing the

facts. She tries to use the number line, or her fingers or just looks at

me blankly. Part of me wonders if she really *needs* to learn the math

facts, maybe she can just have a number line on her kitchen wall as an adult,

LOL. But seriously, we've been working on these addition facts for over a

year with almost no progress, then will come subtraction facts and then the

dreaded multiplication tables?? Seems like it will take from now until

High school to memorize all that, if she even gets it then. SO, what do

you think? Does she need to memorize them and then if so, how? Has

anyone had success with a specific program?

Thanks so much,

Kathy

[Guest guest]

WOW, it's incredibly expensive!

Kathy

Math facts - UGH

For those of you with kids a little older, here is my dilemma. is in 3rd grade and her math teacher has been trying (for over a year!) by use of flashcards to get her to learn addition facts. We do them at home too. She is a wiz with using her number line, gets 100% on her math papers and can do it really quickly that way, but really almost doesn't understand the concept of memorizing the facts. She tries to use the number line, or her fingers or just looks at me blankly. Part of me wonders if she really *needs* to learn the math facts, maybe she can just have a number line on her kitchen wall as an adult, LOL. But seriously, we've been working on these addition facts for over a year with almost no progress, then will come subtraction facts and then the dreaded multiplication tables?? Seems like it will take from now until High school to memorize all that, if she even gets it then. SO, what do you think? Does she need to memorize them and then if so, how? Has anyone had success with a specific program?

Thanks so much,Kathy

[Guest guest]

Yes,it is…many parents here have been able to get their school

districts to buy it for the child. I just found a link on the site where you

can watch a video to learn how to teach Touch Math to your child at home. http://www.touchmath.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=parentsathome.welcome

Now you can learn to teach TouchMath in less than an hour with our free

Online Teacher Training Video. Opening channels to the visual, tactile and

kinesthetic senses, TouchMath reaches children of all abilities and learning

styles.

They also loan free videos to parents. It would take some time, but

once you learned the concepts, you could make your own flashcards and work

sheets to practice.

kathyR

From:

Down Syndrome Treatment

[mailto:Down Syndrome Treatment ] On Behalf Of Kathy

Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006

11:35 AM

To:

Down Syndrome Treatment

Subject: Re:

Math facts - UGH

WOW, it's incredibly expensive!

Kathy

Math facts - UGH

For

those of you with kids a little older, here is my dilemma. is in 3rd

grade and her math teacher has been trying (for over a year!) by use

of flashcards to get her to learn addition facts. We do them at home

too. She is a wiz with using her number line, gets 100% on her math

papers and can do it really quickly that way, but really almost doesn't

understand the concept of memorizing the facts. She tries to use the

number line, or her fingers or just looks at me blankly. Part of me

wonders if she really *needs* to learn the math facts, maybe she can just have

a number line on her kitchen wall as an adult, LOL. But seriously, we've

been working on these addition facts for over a year with almost no progress,

then will come subtraction facts and then the dreaded multiplication

tables?? Seems like it will take from now until High school to memorize

all that, if she even gets it then. SO, what do you think? Does she

need to memorize them and then if so, how? Has anyone had success with a

specific program?

Thanks

so much,

Kathy

[Guest guest]

-Dear Kathy,

The dreaded flashcards...I think that some kids are just frustrated

by them. (Some mommies,too.) The touchmath looks like a nice

program. I think maybe you could use tactile ways to teach these

facts. Most kids like their fingers, toes,etc. We used music with

our girls. A company, sing and learn ,sells CD's with music for math

facts--skip counting songs are great for multiplication.--Easy.

There are several math materials that some home-schoolers use that

are hands-on, math-u-see and the flashmaster.( Just two examples--

there are tons more.) My girls have all enjoyed the flashmaster--it

is like an electronic game. You can monitor their progress on it by

checking which facts they are struggling with and then, program it

to only display those facts. Math-u-see is kind of like cuisenaire

rods--I did think it might be perfect for Jack (DS). I do want to

encourage you, if she is using her fingers then, she understands

that we are putting multiple numbers together to make new numbers.

She understands the concept of addition. This is a great step!!

Learning the facts will help them later as math gets more complex.

I have been reading that children with ds have an easier time

understanding in a montessori learning fashion. There may be ideas

for you here. Oh, we played a little game,too. It was called some

came and some went away. You use those little counting bears and

say something like, " oh, look here are some bears..how many are

there? Let's pretend that they are at the park and some of their

friends are coming --now there is some more, how many are there

now?? UH, oh some of them have to go home because their mommies are

calling..some went away..how many are there now?? " YOu might be able

to do this with each math fact.

Hope this helps,

, mama of , a, and Jack(ds)

here is my dilemma. is in 3rd grade and her math teacher has

been trying (for over a year!) by use of flashcards to get her to

learn addition facts. We do them at home too. She is a wiz with

using her number line, gets 100% on her math papers and can do it

really quickly that way, but really almost doesn't understand the

concept of memorizing the facts. She tries to use the number line,

or her fingers or just looks at me blankly. Part of me wonders if

she really *needs* to learn the math facts, maybe she can just have

a number line on her kitchen wall as an adult, LOL. But seriously,

we've been working on these addition facts for over a year with

almost no progress, then will come subtraction facts and then the

dreaded multiplication tables?? Seems like it will take from now

until High school to memorize all that, if she even gets it then.

SO, what do you think? Does she need to memorize them and then if

so, how? Has anyone had success with a specific program?

> Thanks so much,

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

You may be right. I don't know that Austin will ever 'get it' either. My 6 year old seems to get math at least. . . with him the issue is reading. I'm finding out that it's something with each one of them.... We'll see what happens with Hunter too...

It's also funny, what you said about how you add. I do the same thing, but I would subtract 2 from 6 to make the 8 a 10 and add the 4 left. Same principle, just a different approach. Do you remember if you were taught this, or you just figured it out? I don't really remember being taught this, I just do it.

Cheryl

Math facts - UGH

For those of you with kids a little older, here is my dilemma. is in 3rd grade and her math teacher has been trying (for over a year!) by use of flashcards to get her to learn addition facts. We do them at home too. She is a wiz with using her number line, gets 100% on her math papers and can do it really quickly that way, but really almost doesn't understand the concept of memorizing the facts. She tries to use the number line, or her fingers or just looks at me blankly. Part of me wonders if she really *needs* to learn the math facts, maybe she can just have a number line on her kitchen wall as an adult, LOL. But seriously, we've been working on these addition facts for over a year with almost no progress, then will come subtraction facts and then the dreaded multiplication tables?? Seems like it will take from now until High school to memorize all that, if she even gets it then. SO, what do you think? Does she need to memorize them and then if so, how? Has anyone had success with a specific program?

Thanks so much,Kathy

[Guest guest]

I do it that way sometimes too, LOL! I don't think I was taught to do this I think it was a way to avoid memorizing. I know the doubles facts and then adding things to 10 and if you can change the problem into one of those it gets way easier! And it's almost instantaneous in my head.

Math facts - UGH

For those of you with kids a little older, here is my dilemma. is in 3rd grade and her math teacher has been trying (for over a year!) by use of flashcards to get her to learn addition facts. We do them at home too. She is a wiz with using her number line, gets 100% on her math papers and can do it really quickly that way, but really almost doesn't understand the concept of memorizing the facts. She tries to use the number line, or her fingers or just looks at me blankly. Part of me wonders if she really *needs* to learn the math facts, maybe she can just have a number line on her kitchen wall as an adult, LOL. But seriously, we've been working on these addition facts for over a year with almost no progress, then will come subtraction facts and then the dreaded multiplication tables?? Seems like it will take from now until High school to memorize all that, if she even gets it then. SO, what do you think? Does she need to memorize them and then if so, how? Has anyone had success with a specific program?

Thanks so much,Kathy

[Guest guest]

Have you looked into the How to Teach Your Baby Math program at all?

We have both the program and the book. It uses big flashcards with red dots on them - according to the number the card is - 1 dot for the 1 card, etc. It goes all the way up to 100 and then I believe you can make more cards, if wanted. But, after the kid learns the numbers (after you get to 20 I believe it is), you start teaching them math. You can teach addition, subtraction, multiplication and divison with these cards. You hold up the "2" card and say "2" plus (no sign for it) "3" (holding up the 3 card) equals (no sign for it) "5" (holding up the 5 card). This may help some, especially since it's VISUAL - which is what kids with DS thrive on, from what we've researched.

This is where you can get the above program - http://www.gentlerevolution.com/

They are having a 30% off sale on all CD's, DVD's, etc. . . they have a How to teach your baby math DVD.

Also, you could look into the Math-U-See program. I believe it was developed by the father of a child with DS. It is also visually geared. We don't use it right now, some friends of ours use it. But, we are planning on using the How to teach your baby math program. Here's the MUS site - http://www.mathusee.com/

Qadoshyah

*Got Down Syndrome?

www.gotdownsyndrome.net

From: Down Syndrome Treatment [mailto:Down Syndrome Treatment ] On Behalf Of KathySent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 4:32 AMDown Syndrome Treatment ; DS NUT; Einstein; DSTNISubject: Math facts - UGH

For those of you with kids a little older, here is my dilemma. is in 3rd grade and her math teacher has been trying (for over a year!) by use of flashcards to get her to learn addition facts. We do them at home too. She is a wiz with using her number line, gets 100% on her math papers and can do it really quickly that way, but really almost doesn't understand the concept of memorizing the facts. She tries to use the number line, or her fingers or just looks at me blankly. Part of me wonders if she really *needs* to learn the math facts, maybe she can just have a number line on her kitchen wall as an adult, LOL. But seriously, we've been working on these addition facts for over a year with almost no progress, then will come subtraction facts and then the dreaded multiplication tables?? Seems like it will take from now until High school to memorize all that, if she even gets it then. SO, what do you think? Does she need to memorize them and then if so, how? Has anyone had success with a specific program?

Thanks so much,Kathy

[Guest guest]

The first grade uses Touch Math and I was told that it was just too hard for to 'get' the tapping, at least the double tapping.

But that's another story for another post....I do have 'Teaching Math to People with DS' and it's VERY good! Touch Math would mesh well with it. Teaching Math recommends introducing a calculator very early to the student with DS. They don't seem to have as much trouble understanding the concepts as they do remembering the facts. ( I can SO relate here!! )

Carol in IL

Mom to seven including , 6 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, chronic constipation ( cured now ) and DS.

My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me.

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much Qadoshyah for all the suggestions!

Kathy

Math facts - UGH

For those of you with kids a little older, here is my dilemma. is in 3rd grade and her math teacher has been trying (for over a year!) by use of flashcards to get her to learn addition facts. We do them at home too. She is a wiz with using her number line, gets 100% on her math papers and can do it really quickly that way, but really almost doesn't understand the concept of memorizing the facts. She tries to use the number line, or her fingers or just looks at me blankly. Part of me wonders if she really *needs* to learn the math facts, maybe she can just have a number line on her kitchen wall as an adult, LOL. But seriously, we've been working on these addition facts for over a year with almost no progress, then will come subtraction facts and then the dreaded multiplication tables?? Seems like it will take from now until High school to memorize all that, if she even gets it then. SO, what do you think? Does she need to memorize them and then if so, how? Has anyone had success with a specific program?

Thanks so much,Kathy

[Guest guest]

Lots of good suggestions, thanks so much!

Kathy

Re: Math facts - UGH

-Dear Kathy,The dreaded flashcards...I think that some kids are just frustrated by them. (Some mommies,too.) The touchmath looks like a nice program. I think maybe you could use tactile ways to teach these facts. Most kids like their fingers, toes,etc. We used music with our girls. A company, sing and learn ,sells CD's with music for math facts--skip counting songs are great for multiplication.--Easy. There are several math materials that some home-schoolers use that are hands-on, math-u-see and the flashmaster.( Just two examples--there are tons more.) My girls have all enjoyed the flashmaster--it is like an electronic game. You can monitor their progress on it by checking which facts they are struggling with and then, program it to only display those facts. Math-u-see is kind of like cuisenaire rods--I did think it might be perfect for Jack (DS). I do want to encourage you, if she is using her fingers then, she understands that we are putting multiple numbers together to make new numbers. She understands the concept of addition. This is a great step!! Learning the facts will help them later as math gets more complex. I have been reading that children with ds have an easier time understanding in a montessori learning fashion. There may be ideas for you here. Oh, we played a little game,too. It was called some came and some went away. You use those little counting bears and say something like,"oh, look here are some bears..how many are there? Let's pretend that they are at the park and some of their friends are coming --now there is some more, how many are there now?? UH, oh some of them have to go home because their mommies are calling..some went away..how many are there now??" YOu might be able to do this with each math fact. Hope this helps,, mama of , a, and Jack(ds)here is my dilemma. is in 3rd grade and her math teacher has been trying (for over a year!) by use of flashcards to get her to learn addition facts. We do them at home too. She is a wiz with using her number line, gets 100% on her math papers and can do it really quickly that way, but really almost doesn't understand the concept of memorizing the facts. She tries to use the number line, or her fingers or just looks at me blankly. Part of me wonders if she really *needs* to learn the math facts, maybe she can just have a number line on her kitchen wall as an adult, LOL. But seriously, we've been working on these addition facts for over a year with almost no progress, then will come subtraction facts and then the dreaded multiplication tables?? Seems like it will take from now until High school to memorize all that, if she even gets it then. SO, what do you think? Does she need to memorize them and then if so, how? Has anyone had success with a specific program?> Thanks so much,> Kathy>

[Guest guest]

's teacher is familiar with Touch Math and doesn't like it either. I just went online and bought the book, thanks!

Kathy

Re: Math facts - UGH

The first grade uses Touch Math and I was told that it was just too hard for to 'get' the tapping, at least the double tapping.

But that's another story for another post....I do have 'Teaching Math to People with DS' and it's VERY good! Touch Math would mesh well with it. Teaching Math recommends introducing a calculator very early to the student with DS. They don't seem to have as much trouble understanding the concepts as they do remembering the facts. ( I can SO relate here!! )

Carol in IL

Mom to seven including , 6 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, chronic constipation ( cured now ) and DS.

My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me.

[Guest guest]

It is expensive, but once you learn the technique you don't need the special worksheets. Our school teaches the concept to all 2nd graders just as a way to add--if the kids catch on and like to use it--not all do. Mac is not strong in math at all and I haven't focused on it much at home. He does use TouchMath for adding and we're working on subtracting but it's very difficult. He is unable to put on his own touchpoints accurately, but can count them fairly well when he takes his time. His best method has also been the number line, but we're trying to move away from that. I've had many students who use the TM for adding and subtracting, but few that use it for multiplying and dividing. I even use it frequently when adding a large set of numbers. I have some beginning worksheets if anyone would like me to make some copies and send them to you just to practice and see. You can easily make your own once you get the idea of the touchpoints.

Jill

Mom to Mac (8, 3rd grade, Ds) and Kit (5, preschool, Ds)

Math facts - UGH

For those of you with kids a little older, here is my dilemma. is in 3rd grade and her math teacher has been trying (for over a year!) by use of flashcards to get her to learn addition facts. We do them at home too. She is a wiz with using her number line, gets 100% on her math papers and can do it really quickly that way, but really almost doesn't understand the concept of memorizing the facts. She tries to use the number line, or her fingers or just looks at me blankly. Part of me wonders if she really *needs* to learn the math facts, maybe she can just have a number line on her kitchen wall as an adult, LOL. But seriously, we've been working on these addition facts for over a year with almost no progress, then will come subtraction facts and then the dreaded multiplication tables?? Seems like it will take from now until High school to memorize all that, if she even gets it then. SO, what do you think? Does she need to memorize them and then if so, how? Has anyone had success with a specific program?

Thanks so much,Kathy

[Guest guest]

I actually attended a conference of this autho and it

was really good. Very informative.!

B

--- Carol in IL <ps1272000@...> wrote:

> The first grade uses Touch Math and I was told that

> it was just too hard for to 'get' the

> tapping, at least the double tapping.

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> But that's another story for another post....I do

> have 'Teaching Math to People with DS' and it's VERY

> good! Touch Math would mesh well with it. Teaching

> Math recommends introducing a calculator very early

> to the student with DS. They don't seem to have as

> much trouble understanding the concepts as they do

> remembering the facts. ( I can SO relate here!! )

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> Carol in IL

> Mom to seven including , 6 with TOF,

> AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis,

> chronic constipation ( cured now ) and DS.

>

> My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me.

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