obesity

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Rosemary.

My staff will be former professional wrestlers in full

regalia, trained in the finer points of the GFOYF

program - including " dealing " with problems... <grin>

Seriously, abundance seems to lead to abuse in most

cases. We eat more because its there/available/tastes

great. (hmm, abundance of lawyers = abuse of

lawsuits?)

Shafer

Converse, TX

--- Rosemary Wedderburn <CookieMagic@...>

wrote:

> , your GFOYF solution is too much! Just make

> sure you have

> those folks sign a disclaimer so they don't sue you

> when you have to

> use your foot, as no doubt you will have to do.

>

> Rosemary

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[Guest guest]

The subject of obesity is one that is near and dear to my heart.

I've spent most of my life as a fat woman. And, when I approached

age 50, I had been told by Doctors, relatives, and others that I had

a " naturally " slow metabolism, and that genetically, I

would " naturally " expect to be overweight a little (most the women

in my family carry extra fat).

At age 50, I decided to start lifting. What has happened to me in

the last two or more. In summary, my body has gone from very obese

to exceptionally fit. (If you want specifics, just ask.)

I find myself getting angry with the common wisdom about obesity, in

middle aged women. I know I only have a statistically invalid sample

of ONE as empirical evidence -- but having lost the weight, having

obtained improved bone density, blood pressure and cholesterol

numbers, and having become incredibly stronger and more agile -- I

believe most of the medical information that we have been given

through popular scientific " studies " is bogus. Further, I believe

most of the advice I received from my own physicians is based on

similar myths. (Now my docs think I am exceptional, of course.)

Ok folks, here's where you as a community come in. I want to know if

I am an anomoly, or if all women hold the potential to do what I have

done. I really believe I am a normal person who just got motivated.

If that's the case, then I plan on mounting a major campaign to get

other women to do what I have done.

I am seeking some validated research results that may indicate any of

the following:

- Post menopausal women can build *significant* muscle mass.

- Middle aged women's metabolism does not get slower, unless

inactivity, resluting in loss of muscle mass causes it to do so.

- Lifting heavy weights regularly is beneficial to women.

Any pointers to the research is most appreciated.

Madeline Chen

Colorado Springs, CO

[Guest guest]

Re: Obesity

At age 50, I decided to start lifting. What has happened to me in

the last two or more. In summary, my body has gone from very obese

to exceptionally fit. (If you want specifics, just ask.)

I find myself getting angry with the common wisdom about obesity, in

middle aged women. I know I only have a statistically invalid sample

of ONE as empirical evidence -- but having lost the weight, having

obtained improved bone density, blood pressure and cholesterol

numbers, and having become incredibly stronger and more agile -- I

believe most of the medical information that we have been given

through popular scientific " studies " is bogus. Further, I believe

most of the advice I received from my own physicians is based on

similar myths. (Now my docs think I am exceptional, of course.)

Casler of BIO-FORCE writes:

Madeline you are a true inspiration and I applaud not only your results, but

your search for satisfaction against the " wrong advice " of others. It is

truly rare that someone takes the challenge " dead on " and makes it work.

You did! You have every right to feel proud.

Regards,

A. Casler

BIO-FORCE, Inc.

Los Angeles, CA

[Guest guest]

I would like to add here, that is it my great privilege to claim Madeline as

live friend. She has come a long way - and is still traveling a great

journey as she seeks her own way along the road to her ultimate fitness.

Well Done, my friend!

The Phantom

Re: Obesity

>The subject of obesity is one that is near and dear to my heart.

>I've spent most of my life as a fat woman. And, when I approached

>age 50, I had been told by Doctors, relatives, and others that I had

>a " naturally " slow metabolism, and that genetically, I

>would " naturally " expect to be overweight a little (most the women

>in my family carry extra fat).

>

>At age 50, I decided to start lifting. What has happened to me in

>the last two or more. In summary, my body has gone from very obese

>to exceptionally fit. (If you want specifics, just ask.)

>

>I find myself getting angry with the common wisdom about obesity, in

>middle aged women. I know I only have a statistically invalid sample

>of ONE as empirical evidence -- but having lost the weight, having

>obtained improved bone density, blood pressure and cholesterol

>numbers, and having become incredibly stronger and more agile -- I

>believe most of the medical information that we have been given

>through popular scientific " studies " is bogus. Further, I believe

>most of the advice I received from my own physicians is based on

>similar myths. (Now my docs think I am exceptional, of course.)

>

>Ok folks, here's where you as a community come in. I want to know if

>I am an anomoly, or if all women hold the potential to do what I have

>done. I really believe I am a normal person who just got motivated.

>If that's the case, then I plan on mounting a major campaign to get

>other women to do what I have done.

>

>I am seeking some validated research results that may indicate any of

>the following:

>

> - Post menopausal women can build *significant* muscle mass.

> - Middle aged women's metabolism does not get slower, unless

>inactivity, resluting in loss of muscle mass causes it to do so.

> - Lifting heavy weights regularly is beneficial to women.

>

>Any pointers to the research is most appreciated.

>

>

>Madeline Chen

>Colorado Springs, CO

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Re: Obesity

>

> At age 50, I decided to start lifting. What has happened to me in

> the last two or more. In summary, my body has gone from very obese

> to exceptionally fit. (If you want specifics, just ask.)

Congrats on your wonderful achievement!

>

> I find myself getting angry with the common wisdom about obesity, in

> middle aged women.

Do more research on women and you'll spend a lot more time angry about the

common wisdom (an oxymoronic term!).

>

> - Post menopausal women can build *significant* muscle mass.

> - Middle aged women's metabolism does not get slower, unless

> inactivity, resluting in loss of muscle mass causes it to do so.

> - Lifting heavy weights regularly is beneficial to women.

>

A good place to start is Medline. Do a search on " women " and " strength " ,

" bone density " , " resistance training " , and other similar keywords and you

should find what you're looking for.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

Also, I have a few books on women's training reviewed on my site at

http://www.stumptuous.com/books.html . If you can find those books,

particularly Weight Training for Women and Strength Training for Women (pub.

Human Kinetics another good place to look http://www.humankinetics.com/),

check their bibliographies for more reading and research. The research IS

out there.

Cheers

Krista

-------------------------

http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html

mistresskrista@...

[Guest guest]

>From: FlexWriter@...

>Over the year I worked with him, Rick dropped from 230 pounds to

>179 pounds, gained substatial strength and cardiovascular fitness....

How do you test for " cardiovascular fitness " ?

Joe Alden

Atlanta USA

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[Guest guest]

re: Joe Alden's question on how to test for cardiovascular fitness:

Would blood pressure, pulse, rate of a person's breathing, or cholesterol

changes be some measurement of cardio/vascular fitness? As I became more

fit, it was easier to keep my pulse within acceptable ranges when I exerted

myself, and my bloodpressure has come down significantly since my weight

came down from 225 to 145.

Perhaps " fitness " is the wrong term here, but it seems to make sense to me.

Madeline Chen

Colorado Springs, Colorado

At 12:46 PM 12/17/2000 -0500, you wrote:

> >From: FlexWriter@...

>

> >Over the year I worked with him, Rick dropped from 230 pounds to

> >179 pounds, gained substatial strength and cardiovascular fitness....

>

>How do you test for " cardiovascular fitness " ?

>

>Joe Alden

>Atlanta USA

>

>_________________________________________________________________

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>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There are certainly people who've had 100 or more pounds to lose and

have had great success with BFL. Look in the Photos section under

Mina's Transformation; she lost 75 pounds. BFL really works. Give

it a try.

Dani

> Hello,

> I amwondering if there are any people who have been obese to begin

> with before starting this program and what the succes is. I am

> approximately 100 pounds overweight and I am wondering about this

> before I buy the book and look into it further.

>

> Thank you!

>

> from Minnesota

[Guest guest]

Hi - I would qualify as having been obese when I started in November '01.

I can't remember what the clinical definition of obesity is, but I am 5'4 " and

weighed 225 lbs. I am now on my 3rd challenge - just ending week 3. I've lost

62 lbs (maybe another pound this week - weigh in day is tomorrow!) and about 9%

bodyfat. I feel wonderful, energetic, and most importantly NOT HUNGRY!!!

Park

Obesity

Hello,

I amwondering if there are any people who have been obese to begin

with before starting this program and what the succes is. I am

approximately 100 pounds overweight and I am wondering about this

before I buy the book and look into it further.

Thank you!

from Minnesota

[Guest guest]

Hi !

I am on a quest to lose 100 pounds as well. I really believe BFL is

the way to get the body I hope (will) have some day. There are quite

a few people on this very site who have lost tremendous amounts of

weight with the program. I have tried em' all and keep coming back to

BFL. Unfortunately, I have never made it past the 4 week mark but am

determined to make this effort different! I am on

C1W1D1...yep...started today Buy the book...read it thoroughly and

come join me in losing 100 pounds! Would love to have the company!

-Karyl

[Guest guest]

You wrote:

Hello,

I amwondering if there are any people who have been obese to begin

with before starting this program and what the success is. I am

approximately 100 pounds overweight and I am wondering about this

before I buy the book and look into it further.

My answer:

At 5'4, I weighed 227.5 pounds just about a year ago. At that height, 175 pounds

signifies a BMI that puts you in the obese zone. Now, I won't get into the

details of BMI and how it can be an inappropriate measure for athletes, but

let's just say I wasn't an athlete a year ago.

I love this program and recommend it to anyone, even with 100 pounds to lose,

and my total loss will probably end up being close enough to that to have an

opinion.

Here is why I think BFL is great:

1. simplicity--no food combining, special diet, etc.... just learning healthy

eating patterns that are sustainable in most of life's situations including

traveling, restaurants, special occasions, etc...

2. based on solid nutrition and exercise research

3. doesn't require spending all day and night working out

4. doesn't focus on deprivation

5. encourages women to build the muscle they need to maintain a healthy

metabolism

So, just take it one day at a time and start building that body you want now.

Just be prepared to be patient and don't be swayed by all the unhealthy ways out

there to " make you thin " in faster amounts of time. As you start seeing

progress, you may start feeling, as I did, that, " I'm committed to living

healthfully now...why can't the fat just disappear so I can have the healthy

body I want. " Sadly, it doesn't work that way. Slow, steady weight loss is

better for you. (Also, look back on our recent discussion of minimizing excess

skin for more reasons for patience.)

Good Luck!

Beth

[Guest guest]

rdh363us wrote:

> Hello,

> I amwondering if there are any people who have been obese to begin

> with before starting this program and what the succes is. I am

> approximately 100 pounds overweight and I am wondering about this

> before I buy the book and look into it further.

>

> Thank you!

>

> from Minnesota

I started with more than 100 pounds to lose. Probably around 150 in fact.

It's working wonderfully for me and, what I asked myself was, " what's the

alternative? " The alternative was getting more fat. I love BFL.. it's

working for me.

Serenity

--

http://www.theonion.com

[Guest guest]

feelinfreeus wrote:

> Hi !

> I am on a quest to lose 100 pounds as well. I really believe BFL is

> the way to get the body I hope (will) have some day. There are quite

> a few people on this very site who have lost tremendous amounts of

> weight with the program. I have tried em' all and keep coming back to

> BFL. Unfortunately, I have never made it past the 4 week mark but am

> determined to make this effort different! I am on

> C1W1D1...yep...started today Buy the book...read it thoroughly and

> come join me in losing 100 pounds! Would love to have the company!

> -Karyl

Ooh.. I forgot to say.. " Get it from the library first if you're not sure "

:)

Serenity

--

http://www.theonion.com

[Guest guest]

Yes I was 5'3 and over 200 so I know what u are talking about =).

The programs works great for someone really overweight. The closer you stick to

the

list of foods and the workout routine the better your resluts will be. I was

averaging a

2lb per week loss and it was continual thoroughout my challenge. I went off and

gained a

few back but I am on my way to losing plu more now. You can see me in the photos

folder

under Metamorphasis in Progress.

Dawnn

> Hello,

> I amwondering if there are any people who have been obese to begin

> with before starting this program and what the succes is. I am

> approximately 100 pounds overweight and I am wondering about this

> before I buy the book and look into it further.

>

> Thank you!

>

> from Minnesota

[Guest guest]

I do the same thing. I love that capris and 3/4 length tops

are " in. " I also found the plus sizes at Gap fit her perfectly. I

usually buy it on line because they do not carry much in the

stores. Sears also carries plus sizes. The only thing that can be

passed down in this family are the tops.

Minti

Ariana 12 (14-16 plus size)

10 (12 regular)

Alaina 7 (7 slim)

" I buy capri pants which are full length

> pants on and 3/4 inch sleeved tops which are long sleeve on

. "

[Guest guest]

> Baring real medical issues, obesity is fairly simple, but very difficult

> to deal with.

dear Rick

alas, this is very true. Not only for the child but for the mom as well (

For all of her life, Fiona has faced more or less severe medical issues. The

months and months I've spent with her on intensive care and cardiology units

in hosptials were the reason I gained so much weight. The lack of execise or

even normal moving around combined with the erratic eating whenever I could

get away for a few minutes were definitely not good for my figure (( I

used to be very thin (skinny, if i am to be honest) and gained more than 30

kilo.

Loosing the excess weight again is a real challenge. I have got rid of

almost 10 kilo this last year, but it is hard work.

At the moment Fiona herself is still a tiny little skinny wisp of a child,

only weighs 16 kilo at 102 cm. She is 7 1/2 years old now. She has starting

eating normally even if very slowly, and the first signs of eating for

pleasure are showing (( There is no guarantee that the small skinny kids

stay that way, especially not after onset of puberty.

Excerise or any kind of sports are often not possible, she is already

exhausted after a normal morning at school.

But we go swimming regularly and I try to do active things with her as often

as her health and endurance allow.

Excess weight is definitely an issue for myself as I do not want to develope

a diabetes (like my mother had) and I definitely do not want Fiona to

develope a diabetes later on in life either. Among all of the other problems

that can come with overweight, diabetes is one that we have a higher risk

for, and if we can avoid it, I will do anything I can to do so.

Gundula

[Guest guest]

You mention below that Jan is 5'8 " tall, that is really tall for someone for

DS, isn't it? She is lucky. I would LOVE to be that tall!

----- Original Message -----

From: " Rick Dill " <rdill@...>

>> an active partner in exercise. Jan is 5'8 " and weighed 110 when she

> graduated from high school and was fit. A year later, she was competing

> at World Games at 125.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/20/2004 2:06:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Rick Dill

<rdill@...> writes:

>Poor muscle tone is common among our kids, but many parents think of it

>as " just how it is " .  If you participate, you can often (not always) get

>your child more active.  Improving muscle tone gives our kids one less

>handicap to deal with (IMHO).

Local medical specialists, of different types, have told our support group that

low tone for our children is neurologically induced, and all the exercise in the

world will not change that for them. In fact, they told us of problems with

ligaments not having the elasticity or tone they should, and what surgical

interventions are used and why they don't always work. They mainly discussed

some of the operations for hips that won't stay in joint and how as the kids

with this problem eventually stop walking because of the pain and difficulty.

If you see people with DS who walk with an exaggerated " Wayne " type roll,

they might have the hip problem.

Cheryl in VA

[Guest guest]

I have said before, and I still believe, that 's brain can't interpret the

" I am full " signal from her stomach. We try to monitor closely what she eats,

and the portions size. Her class the last 2 years have done units on the food

pyramid, and we follow up with that at home. We also emphasize veggies and

fruits, without trying to be too restrictive. Fast food is limited to one meal

a week, and she generally gets milk with that. Afternoon snacks are fruit,

crackers, yogurt for dipping. Many restaurants will substitute a small salad

for fries. However sometimes we say, have the burger and fries, but have extra

veggies at another meal that day.

is also learning to read the serving size on the labels, we are teaching

what that means.

If we didn't watch the amounts she eats, I swear she would gorge herself. For

instance, the other night she had a baked chicken drumstick, biscuit, broccoli,

mashed sweet potatoes, and cantelope. She ate it all, wanted more biscuits and

sweet potatoes. I said no, offered her more broccoli, which she turned down.

She will also eat out of boredom, and always wants chips. If I say no, and

offer her fruit, she will then say " I " m not hungry " .

I know one family of a now grown man with DS that had to put locks on their

refrig and cabinets. After attending courses at a local community center, he

has lost weight, and now reminds his Mom what is healthy and not healthy.

Sharon H.

Mom to , (12, DS) and , (9)

South Carolina

Obesity

Baring real medical issues, obesity is fairly simple, but very difficult

to deal with. There are three factors. Caloric intake is one and that

is balanced (or not) by exercise. Then there is individual metabolic

make-up. Look, some people can eat and eat and never get fat (DS or not).

From the time my daughter was about seven until she left home after

high school, I played two roles. I was the cook (and the one who doled

out school lunches or lunch money). I also was the gymnastics coach and

an active partner in exercise. Jan is 5'8 " and weighed 110 when she

graduated from high school and was fit. A year later, she was competing

at World Games at 125. I was still coach, but not in charge of diet.

Five years later she had gotten to 170 and retired from gymnastics.

Clearly, she couldn't manage the balance herself at that point. Her

counsellors were mostly obese and little help.

Since then Jan's had her share of problems healthwise and after her bone

marrow transplant kept dropping in weight. She bottomed at near 90 and

is now about 100 and proud of how she looks and how she feels. She can

run again! How it will go in long term independent life is still unknown.

Poor muscle tone is common among our kids, but many parents think of it

as " just how it is " . If you participate, you can often (not always) get

your child more active. Improving muscle tone gives our kids one less

handicap to deal with (IMHO).

As a family, we use exercise as a therapy. I probably shouldn't be

walking today given that I trashed my leg more than 30 years ago. I try

to hike three or more miles, often uphill, multiple times a week. Yes,

I ski and my favorite ski partner is Jan. We are both pretty good,

given our handicaps.

My MD wife is very clear, " use it or lose it " . Jan has been my

exercise trainer after therapy and I've been hers.

Still, there is the tendency to veg out. I hike with friends (who also

need it) and I'm the one who keeps it moving. Jan needs encouragement,

although she will work on the exercise machine in front of the TV (when

required by her parents) or go hiking with her walkman for a couple of

miles.

So, in September, I'll get the exercise bike back in her apartment.

There is no sound from the TV unless she pedals at least slowly.

Your child will be different, but all of us, DS or not, need the exercise.

Rick .. dad to 31 year old Jan

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In a message dated 7/20/2004 11:44:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, " Sharon "

<huie@...> writes:

>I have said before, and I still believe, that 's brain can't interpret the

" I am full " signal from her

Determining if our kids have an understanding or feeling of satiation has been

the topic of discussion for many of the moms here. We think some of the kids

have a lack of that. Could be a gene on #21 has control of that!

Cheryl in VA

[Guest guest]

Determining if our kids have an understanding or feeling of satiation has

been the topic of discussion for many of the moms here. We think some of

the kids have a lack of that. Could be a gene on #21 has control of that!

> Cheryl in VA

I just got home from bowling (which means it's pizza night) and Tim met me

outside. snuck and got more pizza than he was given- eating a total

of 8 slices (minus the crust) without anyone knowing. Last night, he found

a box of little Debbies and ate all but one (so much for hiding food). I

refuse to stop buying snacks that the other kids occasionally enjoy. We are

going to have to get some type of locks for the cabinets.

On the flip side, stubborness overrules hunger. refused to take a

bath last Saturday. I told him he could not have a hamburger and other

fixins until he bathed. He went to bed hungry. I'm not an advocate for

withholding food - and I thought he would have given in. In the morning, he

again refused to bathe and again, we told him no breakfast until he did (out

of anger, he put a hole in the wall the day before and I was afraid what his

response would be.) He finally gave up and took a bath and washed his hair.

He came downstairs showing and telling me how clean he was and asked for his

hamburger (not breakfast!!)....lol.

prefers milk to soda - thank goodness!

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[Guest guest]

What a timely subject! I noticed tonight that Karrie now has an actual roll

of fat around her what used to be waist. Her meds are part of the problem,

but also the fact that her tonsils are touching make it hard for her to

swallow.

She finally gets in to see the ENT tomorrow to see about getting T & A's

removed, due to clinically dx'd sleep apnea. Once this is resolved, her

limited repertoire of foods is going to change. Also, after her cardiology

appt. and I know she is cleared to begin an exercise program, her limited

exercise routine will change.

I feel like a wimp, waiting for these doctors' appts., but feel given all

the other issues, this is the only way.

Sue mom to Kate 14 and Karrie 8 w/ds and other issues (who could give a

run for his money concerning pizza.)

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

I don't disagree. If there is brown sugar at home, then it will

disappear quickly onto cereal, so there is no brown sugar. If there is

an attack on the butter, the butter is gone. There are NO chips or

non-diet soda . There isn't ice cream ... etc. I cook very low fat

with lots of veggies.

There are lots of veggies in the house and low calorie frozen entrees.

If it isn't in the fridge or cabinets, you don't need locks. OK, the

same rules hold for everyone in the household. Is that a problem?

I am in charge at home .. or my wife is when I'm not home. Yes, we have

to deal with our own weight issues, though we hardly would be classified

obese. We exercise and we expect Jan to do so as well.

When Jan and I go to MdD's together we can get a salad or at worst one

of their lower fat chickens without fries. If she goes alone, she will

buy the " deal " of a double something with big fat and supersize fries.

When Jan is on her own it is much harder. That is why she went from 110

to 170 before crashing. We aren't in charge and counsellors on the

heavy side don't have a clue. It isn't about " feeling full " , but

rather about a balance between intake, exercise, and metabolic level.

Jan know it all, but the discipline is hard .. so that isn't a whole lot

different than most of the population. Jan likes how she is now and is

a whole lot easier to deal with on weight than when she was

significantly overweight. Still, it hangs in the balance.

Rick ... is this child/adult abuse?

also, it isn't easy.

Sharon wrote:

> I have said before, and I still believe, that 's brain can't

> interpret the " I am full " signal from her stomach. We try to monitor

> closely what she eats, and the portions size. Her class the last 2

> years have done units on the food pyramid, and we follow up with that

> at home. We also emphasize veggies and fruits, without trying to be

> too restrictive. Fast food is limited to one meal a week, and she

> generally gets milk with that. Afternoon snacks are fruit, crackers,

> yogurt for dipping. Many restaurants will substitute a small salad

> for fries. However sometimes we say, have the burger and fries, but

> have extra veggies at another meal that day.

> is also learning to read the serving size on the labels, we are

> teaching what that means.

>

> If we didn't watch the amounts she eats, I swear she would gorge

> herself. For instance, the other night she had a baked chicken

> drumstick, biscuit, broccoli, mashed sweet potatoes, and cantelope.

> She ate it all, wanted more biscuits and sweet potatoes. I said no,

> offered her more broccoli, which she turned down. She will also eat

> out of boredom, and always wants chips. If I say no, and offer her

> fruit, she will then say " I " m not hungry " .

>

> I know one family of a now grown man with DS that had to put locks on

> their refrig and cabinets. After attending courses at a local

> community center, he has lost weight, and now reminds his Mom what is

> healthy and not healthy.

>

> Sharon H.

> Mom to , (12, DS) and , (9)

> South Carolina

>

> * Obesity

>

> Baring real medical issues, obesity is fairly simple, but very

> difficult

> to deal with. There are three factors. Caloric intake is one and

> that

> is balanced (or not) by exercise. Then there is individual metabolic

> make-up. Look, some people can eat and eat and never get fat (DS

> or not).

>

> From the time my daughter was about seven until she left home after

> high school, I played two roles. I was the cook (and the one who

> doled

> out school lunches or lunch money). I also was the gymnastics

> coach and

> an active partner in exercise. Jan is 5'8 " and weighed 110 when she

> graduated from high school and was fit. A year later, she was

> competing

> at World Games at 125. I was still coach, but not in charge of

> diet.

> Five years later she had gotten to 170 and retired from gymnastics.

> Clearly, she couldn't manage the balance herself at that point. Her

> counsellors were mostly obese and little help.

>

> Since then Jan's had her share of problems healthwise and after

> her bone

> marrow transplant kept dropping in weight. She bottomed at near

> 90 and

> is now about 100 and proud of how she looks and how she feels.

> She can

> run again! How it will go in long term independent life is still

> unknown.

>

> Poor muscle tone is common among our kids, but many parents think

> of it

> as " just how it is " . If you participate, you can often (not

> always) get

> your child more active. Improving muscle tone gives our kids one

> less

> handicap to deal with (IMHO).

>

> As a family, we use exercise as a therapy. I probably shouldn't be

> walking today given that I trashed my leg more than 30 years ago.

> I try

> to hike three or more miles, often uphill, multiple times a week.

> Yes,

> I ski and my favorite ski partner is Jan. We are both pretty good,

> given our handicaps.

>

> My MD wife is very clear, " use it or lose it " . Jan has been my

> exercise trainer after therapy and I've been hers.

>

> Still, there is the tendency to veg out. I hike with friends (who

> also

> need it) and I'm the one who keeps it moving. Jan needs

> encouragement,

> although she will work on the exercise machine in front of the TV

> (when

> required by her parents) or go hiking with her walkman for a

> couple of

> miles.

>

> So, in September, I'll get the exercise bike back in her apartment.

> There is no sound from the TV unless she pedals at least slowly.

>

> Your child will be different, but all of us, DS or not, need the

> exercise.

>

> Rick .. dad to 31 year old Jan

>

>

>

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> for messages to go to the sender of the message.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Cheryl,

That's an interesting observation, but according to the reports, all of

the people in the US have a 21st chromosome. Is that why the nation is

overweight if I believe almost every report in the last decade.

Rick

Wildwards@... wrote:

>In a message dated 7/20/2004 11:44:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, " Sharon "

<huie@...> writes:

>

>

>

>>I have said before, and I still believe, that 's brain can't interpret

the " I am full " signal from her

>>

>>

>

>Determining if our kids have an understanding or feeling of satiation has been

the topic of discussion for many of the moms here. We think some of the kids

have a lack of that. Could be a gene on #21 has control of that!

>Cheryl in VA

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/20/2004 7:49:08 PM Central Daylight Time,

cindysue@... writes:

> He came downstairs showing and telling me how clean he was and asked for

> his

> hamburger (not breakfast!!)....lol.

>

>

So

don't leave us hangin....did he get his burger?A LOL!!

Loree