Re: leg cramps fyi

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I have found magnesium oil on my feet & legs to be very helpful with cramps.AnneOn Sep 1, 2010, at 11:00 AM, diane gaul wrote: i just went to the foot doc and we talked about my bursitis, spurs and the shape of my foot in relation to charcot joint. i also mentioned i get a lot of leg cramps, severe and he said that leg cramps are very often related to low quinine. he said there are quinine pills and also club soda, (ick) without the rum or whatever they can keep the club soda, plus "soda" makes my legs and feet swell. anyway before i forgot i wanted to just mention the quinine thing because as far as i am concerned, anything to get rid of the leg cramps. diane, near philly, pa

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Leg cramps are also a sign of low magnesium. Have you tried magnesium oil on your skin. Even 2 weeks on skin was more effective than 4 years of Epsom salt baths which apparently only work if you like to use cool water. Also a bar of ivory soap in the bed got rid of leg cramps at night and pinching the skin fold above the upper lip for 30 seconds works during the day. I had severe leg cramps when beginning to reverse fibromyalgia with guaifenesin. Pam

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:00 AM, diane gaul <ditique@...> wrote:

 

i just went to the foot doc and we talked about my bursitis, spurs and the shape of my foot in relation to charcot joint. i also mentioned i get a lot of leg cramps, severe and he said that leg cramps are very often related to low quinine. he said there are quinine pills and also club soda, (ick) without the rum or whatever they can keep the club soda, plus " soda " makes my legs and feet swell. anyway before i forgot i wanted to just mention the quinine thing because as far as i am concerned, anything to get rid of the leg cramps. 

diane, near philly, pa

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when i get leg cramps ,what takes them away is upping my calcium PLUS magnesium.

In a message dated 9/1/2010 3:55:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ditique@... writes:

what does ivory soap under the mattress do? how does that work? i need to get mag oil i guess. i can try that but really, this is a mission. when i get the cramps in the leg between the knee and the groin, they don't want to go away and they are ridiculously painful.

diane, near philly, pa

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On Sep 1, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Pamela Valley wrote:

Leg cramps are also a sign of low magnesium. Have you tried magnesium oil on your skin. Even 2 weeks on skin was more effective than 4 years of Epsom salt baths which apparently only work if you like to use cool water. Also a bar of ivory soap in the bed got rid of leg cramps at night and pinching the skin fold above the upper lip for 30 seconds works during the day. I had severe leg cramps when beginning to reverse fibromyalgia with guaifenesin. Pam

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:00 AM, diane gaul <ditique@...> wrote:

i just went to the foot doc and we talked about my bursitis, spurs and the shape of my foot in relation to charcot joint. i also mentioned i get a lot of leg cramps, severe and he said that leg cramps are very often related to low quinine. he said there are quinine pills and also club soda, (ick) without the rum or whatever they can keep the club soda, plus "soda" makes my legs and feet swell. anyway before i forgot i wanted to just mention the quinine thing because as far as i am concerned, anything to get rid of the leg cramps.

diane, near philly, pa

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There is no such thing as low quinine. I'm all for natural remedies and

such, but just because it's natural, or herbal, doesn't mean it can't

be harmful if they aren't used properly and with respect. It pays to be

careful with new substances until you know how they will react to your

individual chemistry. I for one do not advocate taking anything and

everything willy nilly.

Quinine Sulfate Side effects

http://www.resource4thepeople.com/defectivedrugs/quinine.html

Bethann

On 9/1/2010 1:00 PM, diane gaul wrote:

i just went to the foot doc and we talked about my bursitis, spurs

and the shape of my foot in relation to charcot joint. i also mentioned

i get a lot of leg cramps, severe and he said that leg cramps are very

often related to low quinine. he said there are quinine pills and also

club soda, (ick) without the rum or whatever they can keep the club

soda, plus "soda" makes my legs and feet swell. anyway before i forgot

i wanted to just mention the quinine thing because as far as i am

concerned, anything to get rid of the leg cramps.

diane, near philly, pa

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i use magnesium and sometimes it does help but other times it doesn't. i am on a mission . diane, near philly, pa On Sep 1, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Anne Seals wrote:I have found magnesium oil on my feet & legs to be very helpful with cramps.AnneOn Sep 1, 2010, at 11:00 AM, diane gaul wrote: i just went to the foot doc and we talked about my bursitis, spurs and the shape of my foot in relation to charcot joint. i also mentioned i get a lot of leg cramps, severe and he said that leg cramps are very often related to low quinine. he said there are quinine pills and also club soda, (ick) without the rum or whatever they can keep the club soda, plus "soda" makes my legs and feet swell. anyway before i forgot i wanted to just mention the quinine thing because as far as i am concerned, anything to get rid of the leg cramps. diane, near philly, pa

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what does ivory soap under the mattress do? how does that work? i need to get mag oil i guess. i can try that but really, this is a mission. when i get the cramps in the leg between the knee and the groin, they don't want to go away and they are ridiculously painful. diane, near philly, pa On Sep 1, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Pamela Valley wrote:Leg cramps are also a sign of low magnesium. Have you tried magnesium oil on your skin. Even 2 weeks on skin was more effective than 4 years of Epsom salt baths which apparently only work if you like to use cool water. Also a bar of ivory soap in the bed got rid of leg cramps at night and pinching the skin fold above the upper lip for 30 seconds works during the day. I had severe leg cramps when beginning to reverse fibromyalgia with guaifenesin. PamOn Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:00 AM, diane gaul <ditique@...> wrote: i just went to the foot doc and we talked about my bursitis, spurs and the shape of my foot in relation to charcot joint. i also mentioned i get a lot of leg cramps, severe and he said that leg cramps are very often related to low quinine. he said there are quinine pills and also club soda, (ick) without the rum or whatever they can keep the club soda, plus "soda" makes my legs and feet swell. anyway before i forgot i wanted to just mention the quinine thing because as far as i am concerned, anything to get rid of the leg cramps. diane, near philly, pa

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well i don't either. it pays to read up on it but it doesn't mean either that i believe everything the fda says. they would lie and sell their mother, sister, daughter, grandmother and father and grandfather to boot to help the pharmaceuticals make money. my trust in the fda is zilch. and the fact is, even good foods are dangerous if eaten way out of proportion. but i will do what i can to get rid of these cramps. diane, near philly, pa On Sep 1, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Yard Bird wrote:There is no such thing as low quinine. I'm all for natural remedies and such, but just because it's natural, or herbal, doesn't mean it can't be harmful if they aren't used properly and with respect. It pays to be careful with new substances until you know how they will react to your individual chemistry. I for one do not advocate taking anything and everything willy nilly.Quinine Sulfate Side effectshttp://www.resource4thepeople.com/defectivedrugs/quinine.htmlBethannOn 9/1/2010 1:00 PM, diane gaul wrote: i just went to the foot doc and we talked about my bursitis, spurs and the shape of my foot in relation to charcot joint. i also mentioned i get a lot of leg cramps, severe and he said that leg cramps are very often related to low quinine. he said there are quinine pills and also club soda, (ick) without the rum or whatever they can keep the club soda, plus "soda" makes my legs and feet swell. anyway before i forgot i wanted to just mention the quinine thing because as far as i am concerned, anything to get rid of the leg cramps. diane, near philly, pa

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What an odd thing for that foot doctor to say. Isn't quinine to combat the

fevers of malaria? It does not occur in human tissue. Quinine comes from a

willow (?) tree. So it is vegetable in origin.

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I think it may be something that docs used to recommend. My mom used to take it. LinnOn Sep 1, 2010, at 3:06 PM, passerina wrote:

What an odd thing for that foot doctor to say. Isn't quinine to combat the fevers of malaria? It does not occur in human tissue. Quinine comes from a willow (?) tree. So it is vegetable in origin.

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Eating bananas everyday may get rid of your leg cramps. It can't hurt to try. from Illinois i just went to the foot doc and we talked about my bursitis, spurs and the shape of my foot in relation to charcot joint. i also mentioned i get a lot of leg cramps, severe and he said that leg cramps are very often related to low quinine. he said there are

quinine pills and also club soda, (ick) without the rum or whatever they can keep the club soda, plus "soda" makes my legs and feet swell. anyway before i forgot i wanted to just mention the quinine thing because as far as i am concerned, anything to get rid of the leg cramps. diane, near philly, pa

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I remember my mom saying it worked for her leg cramps, I know she took it off and on for quite a while. I think she kept it on hand, after she passed away, it was one of the scripts she had on hand. She had her thyroid removed when she was 19, due to a large goiter, and back then that's just what they did, (early 1940's), so she was on thyroid meds for over 60 years. I don't think that club soda has quinine it, look for tonic water. You could always mix it with some cranberry, orange or other type of juice if you wanted to try it. LinnOn Sep 1, 2010, at 2:58 PM, diane gaul wrote:

well i don't either. it pays to read up on it but it doesn't mean either that i believe everything the fda says. they would lie and sell their mother, sister, daughter, grandmother and father and grandfather to boot to help the pharmaceuticals make money. my trust in the fda is zilch. and the fact is, even good foods are dangerous if eaten way out of proportion. but i will do what i can to get rid of these cramps. diane, near philly, pa On Sep 1, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Yard Bird wrote:There is no such thing as low quinine. I'm all for natural remedies and such, but just because it's natural, or herbal, doesn't mean it can't be harmful if they aren't used properly and with respect. It pays to be careful with new substances until you know how they will react to your individual chemistry. I for one do not advocate taking anything and everything willy nilly.Quinine Sulfate Side effectshttp://www.resource4thepeople.com/defectivedrugs/quinine.htmlBethannOn 9/1/2010 1:00 PM, diane gaul wrote: i just went to the foot doc and we talked about my bursitis, spurs and the shape of my foot in relation to charcot joint. i also mentioned i get a lot of leg cramps, severe and he said that leg cramps are very often related to low quinine. he said there are quinine pills and also club soda, (ick) without the rum or whatever they can keep the club soda, plus "soda" makes my legs and feet swell. anyway before i forgot i wanted to just mention the quinine thing because as far as i am concerned, anything to get rid of the leg cramps. diane, near philly, pa

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Malaria was just one of the things quinine can be/used to be used for

more. But muscle spasms are definitely one .. I have a quadriplegic

nephew that sometimes gets terrible spasms which twist him out of shape

... he used to be prescribed quinine for it. I used to use Tonic Water

(I think Canada Dry is the one with quinine in it) for spasms but then

got a prescription for it. I very seldom have leg cramps anymore, but

once in a great while I'll get one of those that wake you up, make you

try to stand to straighten out your leg, painful cramps .. Just 1/8 of a

quinine pill will make it relax. Yes .. it comes from nature altho

concentrated .. many plants have some quinones, etc. And yes, for some

reason most docs are urged NOT to prescribe it as supposedly there are

meds which are better. I have not had conversation w/my nephew's Mother

as to what they do for him these days, but I am holding onto my supply &

if necessary will " extract " my own from whatever sources I have to to

have on hand for those rare cramp emergencies. Joyce Simmerman

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> what does ivory soap under the mattress do? how does that work? i

> need to get mag oil i guess. i can try that but really, this is a

> mission. when i get the cramps in the leg between the knee and the

> groin, they don't want to go away and they are ridiculously painful.

> diane, near philly, pa

I may have something to contribute here. I have three issues that coincide in

this soap treatment for leg cramps. One, I have multiple chemical

sensitivities, so that if I am near something with a chemical I react to my

lips, tongue, then throat begin to burn like I was eating hot peppers. That's

point one.

Next, I have severe cramps in my toes and calfs when I'm in bed, especially in

the morning. I am taking magnesium supplements daily and potassium to balance

the mag. Still I have the cramping.

Finally, I also have leaky gut problems, which means often nutrients normally

absorbed in the gut to nourish the body don't get absorbed. At the same time,

bad ingredients do leak into the bloodstream.

So here we have a gut that doesn't absorb nutrient intake, aka magnesium by

mouth! A sensitivity to chemicals, such as perfumes and additives found in

various products.

Well here was the acid test: I read your advice about putting a bar of Ivory

soap in bed near my feet. Ivory soap is supposed to be 99 and 44/100ths percent

pure. They don't say pure what, but I didn't think that included perfumes. But

it does, just a little perfume.

So here I was, testing the soap. The cramps started in my toes, then my calfs.

I felt around the bed with my feet for the soap bar, grasped it between my two

feet so the bar was next to the bottoms of my feet which would be most

absorbant... and within seconds I could TASTE the hot pepper feeling that I get

from chemicals. So I knew that something was immediately being absorbed through

my skin.

Very shortly after that, maybe less than a minute my leg cramps subsided, and

finally quit! These have been severe cramps until then. Nothing would stop

them but walking around to cause different pressures to relax the cramped

muscles.

OK, what do we learn from this? First my body did absorb something from the

soap bar. It doubtless was the perfume that caused the chemical sensitivity,

but that was good because it showed me that something was indeed being absorbed

into my blood stream. The cramping stopped very soon after, which tells me

something in the soap nourished the toes and calf muscles.

Checking the ingredients in Ivory soap I learned that it does contain magnesium

sulfate. Magnesium! I was taking magnesium supplements, but because of my poor

gut absorbtion I wasn't getting it into my blood. FYI, calcium which we get lots

of in milk, cheese, etc., causes muscles to contract. Magnesium causes muscles

to relax. We don't get nearly enough magnesium, it being lost from the soil that

grows our food.

So the Ivory soap passed the test. The magnesium was absorbed through my feet

and got immediately into the blood stream where the problem was... the toes and

legs. The taste of peppers told me something was being absorbed indeed. And

the cramping stopped not only during the night, but was less and less as the

days wore on, apparently because the absorption during the night of being near

the soap kept feeding my cells with magnesium as I slept.

So, how about that, gals? Absolutely amazing! It sounded like a crazy idea,

going to bed with a bar of soap. But logical when we know the science and what

the body is doing.

Try it, just leave the soap in bed with you. All night you'll be absorbing some

good stuff you need.

Marji

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A homeopathic remedy for leg cramps/spasms is cuprim.

You should be able to find it at a health store or natural grocery store. A 30c

should be fine. Coffee will dilute the remedy as most homeopathic remedies.

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Just put the ivory soap bar in pillowcase with rubberband anywhere in between sheets. I swear this weird trick works on leg cramps and it is weird how tough those are. Do you have fibromyalgia? It was one of my first clues. Pam

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:55 PM, diane gaul <ditique@...> wrote:

 

what does ivory soap under the mattress do?  how does that work? i need to get mag oil i guess. i can try that but really, this is a mission. when i get the cramps in the leg between the knee and the groin, they don't want to go away and they are ridiculously painful.  

diane, near philly, pa

On Sep 1, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Pamela Valley wrote:

Leg cramps are also a sign of low magnesium. Have you tried magnesium oil on your skin. Even 2 weeks on skin was more effective than 4 years of Epsom salt baths which apparently only work if you like to use cool water. Also a bar of ivory soap in the bed got rid of leg cramps at night and pinching the skin fold above the upper lip for 30 seconds works during the day. I had severe leg cramps when beginning to reverse fibromyalgia with guaifenesin. Pam

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:00 AM, diane gaul <ditique@...> wrote:

 i just went to the foot doc and we talked about my bursitis, spurs and the shape of my foot in relation to charcot joint. i also mentioned i get a lot of leg cramps, severe and he said that leg cramps are very often related to low quinine. he said there are quinine pills and also club soda, (ick) without the rum or whatever they can keep the club soda, plus " soda " makes my legs and feet swell. anyway before i forgot i wanted to just mention the quinine thing because as far as i am concerned, anything to get rid of the leg cramps. 

diane, near philly, pa

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The funniest part on the ivory soap trick is I learned it from my GP who learned it from an elderly patient. For your leaky gut add taking L-glutamate powder which comes about 29 for 2 pounds. It tastes like blah vanilla. I got IgE and IgA testing for allergies from www.usbiotek.com for about 200 buck. Found my allergies though am also allergic to nightshade from Rheumatoid Arthritis which didn't show up but gives me intense pain so know that is affects me. Pam

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Pamela Valley <2007pams@...> wrote:

Just put the ivory soap bar in pillowcase with rubberband anywhere in between sheets. I swear this weird trick works on leg cramps and it is weird how tough those are. Do you have fibromyalgia? It was one of my first clues. Pam

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:55 PM, diane gaul <ditique@...> wrote:

 

what does ivory soap under the mattress do?  how does that work? i need to get mag oil i guess. i can try that but really, this is a mission. when i get the cramps in the leg between the knee and the groin, they don't want to go away and they are ridiculously painful.  

diane, near philly, pa

On Sep 1, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Pamela Valley wrote:

Leg cramps are also a sign of low magnesium. Have you tried magnesium oil on your skin. Even 2 weeks on skin was more effective than 4 years of Epsom salt baths which apparently only work if you like to use cool water. Also a bar of ivory soap in the bed got rid of leg cramps at night and pinching the skin fold above the upper lip for 30 seconds works during the day. I had severe leg cramps when beginning to reverse fibromyalgia with guaifenesin. Pam

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:00 AM, diane gaul <ditique@...> wrote:

 i just went to the foot doc and we talked about my bursitis, spurs and the shape of my foot in relation to charcot joint. i also mentioned i get a lot of leg cramps, severe and he said that leg cramps are very often related to low quinine. he said there are quinine pills and also club soda, (ick) without the rum or whatever they can keep the club soda, plus " soda " makes my legs and feet swell. anyway before i forgot i wanted to just mention the quinine thing because as far as i am concerned, anything to get rid of the leg cramps. 

diane, near philly, pa

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thanks for the information. will check into it. diane, near philly, pa On Sep 1, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Merc wrote:A homeopathic remedy for leg cramps/spasms is cuprim.You should be able to find it at a health store or natural grocery store. A 30c should be fine. Coffee will dilute the remedy as most homeopathic remedies. Take only a few times. If no sucess, stop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 1, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Anne Seals wrote:> > >> > I have found magnesium oil on my feet & legs to be very helpful with > > cramps.> >> > Anne> >> >> > On Sep 1, 2010, at 11:00 AM, diane gaul wrote:> >> >>> >> i just went to the foot doc and we talked about my bursitis, spurs > >> and the shape of my foot in relation to charcot joint. i also > >> mentioned i get a lot of leg cramps, severe and he said that leg > >> cramps are very often related to low quinine. he said there are > >> quinine pills and also club soda, (ick) without the rum or whatever > >> they can keep the club soda, plus "soda" makes my legs and feet > >> swell. anyway before i forgot i wanted to just mention the quinine > >> thing because as far as i am concerned, anything to get rid of the > >> leg cramps.> >>> >>> >> diane, near philly, pa> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>

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i will definitely have to try this. no one would believe it...lol... i thought you were going to say pure hooey...<G> i don't have any now. will have to get some.. anything worth a try...thanks diane, near philly, pa On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Marjij wrote:>> what does ivory soap under the mattress do? how does that work? i > need to get mag oil i guess. i can try that but really, this is a > mission. when i get the cramps in the leg between the knee and the > groin, they don't want to go away and they are ridiculously painful.> diane, near philly, paI may have something to contribute here. I have three issues that coincide in this soap treatment for leg cramps. One, I have multiple chemical sensitivities, so that if I am near something with a chemical I react to my lips, tongue, then throat begin to burn like I was eating hot peppers. That's point one.Next, I have severe cramps in my toes and calfs when I'm in bed, especially in the morning. I am taking magnesium supplements daily and potassium to balance the mag. Still I have the cramping.Finally, I also have leaky gut problems, which means often nutrients normally absorbed in the gut to nourish the body don't get absorbed. At the same time, bad ingredients do leak into the bloodstream.So here we have a gut that doesn't absorb nutrient intake, aka magnesium by mouth! A sensitivity to chemicals, such as perfumes and additives found in various products.Well here was the acid test: I read your advice about putting a bar of Ivory soap in bed near my feet. Ivory soap is supposed to be 99 and 44/100ths percent pure. They don't say pure what, but I didn't think that included perfumes. But it does, just a little perfume.So here I was, testing the soap. The cramps started in my toes, then my calfs. I felt around the bed with my feet for the soap bar, grasped it between my two feet so the bar was next to the bottoms of my feet which would be most absorbant... and within seconds I could TASTE the hot pepper feeling that I get from chemicals. So I knew that something was immediately being absorbed through my skin. Very shortly after that, maybe less than a minute my leg cramps subsided, and finally quit! These have been severe cramps until then. Nothing would stop them but walking around to cause different pressures to relax the cramped muscles.OK, what do we learn from this? First my body did absorb something from the soap bar. It doubtless was the perfume that caused the chemical sensitivity, but that was good because it showed me that something was indeed being absorbed into my blood stream. The cramping stopped very soon after, which tells me something in the soap nourished the toes and calf muscles. Checking the ingredients in Ivory soap I learned that it does contain magnesium sulfate. Magnesium! I was taking magnesium supplements, but because of my poor gut absorbtion I wasn't getting it into my blood. FYI, calcium which we get lots of in milk, cheese, etc., causes muscles to contract. Magnesium causes muscles to relax. We don't get nearly enough magnesium, it being lost from the soil that grows our food.So the Ivory soap passed the test. The magnesium was absorbed through my feet and got immediately into the blood stream where the problem was... the toes and legs. The taste of peppers told me something was being absorbed indeed. And the cramping stopped not only during the night, but was less and less as the days wore on, apparently because the absorption during the night of being near the soap kept feeding my cells with magnesium as I slept.So, how about that, gals? Absolutely amazing! It sounded like a crazy idea, going to bed with a bar of soap. But logical when we know the science and what the body is doing. Try it, just leave the soap in bed with you. All night you'll be absorbing some good stuff you need.Marji

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yeah have tried bananas and they don't touch the cramps. i get heartburn and can't drink orange juice either. it is a drag. thanks for the thoughts thoughi don't know why but i get stiff. that is a first sign i might get cramps. i went to kenny chesney's concert last year, just before my thyroid rip out, and i was in agony. standing there my feet on the top got cramps, my toes, my legs. i could barely move. walking to the car, the cramps just OMG.. traveled. i would get them in school standing there teaching the kids and have to take my shoes off to try to flatten my feet. it was assanine. as i said, they are somewhat better but i still get them more than i should. diane, near philly, pa On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:16 PM, DeNormandie wrote:Eating bananas everyday may get rid of your leg cramps. It can't hurt to try. from Illinois i just went to the foot doc and we talked about my bursitis, spurs and the shape of my foot in relation to charcot joint. i also mentioned i get a lot of leg cramps, severe and he said that leg cramps are very often related to low quinine. he said there are quinine pills and also club soda, (ick) without the rum or whatever they can keep the club soda, plus "soda" makes my legs and feet swell. anyway before i forgot i wanted to just mention the quinine thing because as far as i am concerned, anything to get rid of the leg cramps. diane, near philly, pa

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i am achy a lot but you know what i heard was that fibromyalgia is a name for something the med profession doesn't know how to diagnose turns out to be hypo thyroid. don't know how true that is, but stranger things have been known to happen. gotta get ivory soap... diane, near philly, pa On Sep 1, 2010, at 9:08 PM, Pamela Valley wrote:The funniest part on the ivory soap trick is I learned it from my GP who learned it from an elderly patient. For your leaky gut add taking L-glutamate powder which comes about 29 for 2 pounds. It tastes like blah vanilla. I got IgE and IgA testing for allergies from www.usbiotek.com for about 200 buck. Found my allergies though am also allergic to nightshade from Rheumatoid Arthritis which didn't show up but gives me intense pain so know that is affects me. PamOn Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Pamela Valley <2007pams@...> wrote:Just put the ivory soap bar in pillowcase with rubberband anywhere in between sheets. I swear this weird trick works on leg cramps and it is weird how tough those are. Do you have fibromyalgia? It was one of my first clues. PamOn Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:55 PM, diane gaul <ditique@...> wrote: what does ivory soap under the mattress do? how does that work? i need to get mag oil i guess. i can try that but really, this is a mission. when i get the cramps in the leg between the knee and the groin, they don't want to go away and they are ridiculously painful. diane, near philly, paOn Sep 1, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Pamela Valley wrote:Leg cramps are also a sign of low magnesium. Have you tried magnesium oil on your skin. Even 2 weeks on skin was more effective than 4 years of Epsom salt baths which apparently only work if you like to use cool water. Also a bar of ivory soap in the bed got rid of leg cramps at night and pinching the skin fold above the upper lip for 30 seconds works during the day. I had severe leg cramps when beginning to reverse fibromyalgia with guaifenesin. PamOn Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:00 AM, diane gaul <ditique@...> wrote: i just went to the foot doc and we talked about my bursitis, spurs and the shape of my foot in relation to charcot joint. i also mentioned i get a lot of leg cramps, severe and he said that leg cramps are very often related to low quinine. he said there are quinine pills and also club soda, (ick) without the rum or whatever they can keep the club soda, plus "soda" makes my legs and feet swell. anyway before i forgot i wanted to just mention the quinine thing because as far as i am concerned, anything to get rid of the leg cramps. diane, near philly, pa

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Actually they know how to diagnose with 18 point tender point  test. I had 17 of those but then saw Dr. St. Amand who mapped 78 lumps on the surface of my muscles. In about a decade of using guaifenesin and following his protocol these lumps will reverse and be gone. Interestingly iodine seems to move them out faster. Your cramps are one sign but you might read up the list of symptoms as there are several pages. Most of us find ourselves by reading the lists written in any of his four books or on the website. The CDC and a new institute out of Nevada and also Harvard have linked a rhetro virus family called XVRM like the luekemia rhetrovirus or HIV rhetrovirus. There are 3 sets of these rhetroviruses that attack humans. Different findings between 67% and 97% of the patients having these rhetroviruses and only 3% of the normal population. Anyway hope you find a reason for your cramps and can heal them. Pam

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:15 PM, diane gaul <ditique@...> wrote:

 

i am achy a lot but you know what i heard was that fibromyalgia is a name for something the med profession doesn't know how to diagnose turns out to be hypo thyroid. don't know how true that is, but  stranger things have been known to happen. gotta get ivory soap...

diane, near philly, pa

On Sep 1, 2010, at 9:08 PM, Pamela Valley wrote:

The funniest part on the ivory soap trick is I learned it from my GP who learned it from an elderly patient. For your leaky gut add taking L-glutamate powder which comes about 29 for 2 pounds. It tastes like blah vanilla. I got IgE and IgA testing for allergies from www.usbiotek.com for about 200 buck. Found my allergies though am also allergic to nightshade from Rheumatoid Arthritis which didn't show up but gives me intense pain so know that is affects me. Pam

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Pamela Valley <2007pams@...> wrote:

Just put the ivory soap bar in pillowcase with rubberband anywhere in between sheets. I swear this weird trick works on leg cramps and it is weird how tough those are. Do you have fibromyalgia? It was one of my first clues. Pam

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:55 PM, diane gaul <ditique@...> wrote:

 what does ivory soap under the mattress do?  how does that work? i need to get mag oil i guess. i can try that but really, this is a mission. when i get the cramps in the leg between the knee and the groin, they don't want to go away and they are ridiculously painful.  

diane, near philly, pa

On Sep 1, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Pamela Valley wrote:

Leg cramps are also a sign of low magnesium. Have you tried magnesium oil on your skin. Even 2 weeks on skin was more effective than 4 years of Epsom salt baths which apparently only work if you like to use cool water. Also a bar of ivory soap in the bed got rid of leg cramps at night and pinching the skin fold above the upper lip for 30 seconds works during the day. I had severe leg cramps when beginning to reverse fibromyalgia with guaifenesin. Pam

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:00 AM, diane gaul <ditique@...> wrote:

 i just went to the foot doc and we talked about my bursitis, spurs and the shape of my foot in relation to charcot joint. i also mentioned i get a lot of leg cramps, severe and he said that leg cramps are very often related to low quinine. he said there are quinine pills and also club soda, (ick) without the rum or whatever they can keep the club soda, plus " soda " makes my legs and feet swell. anyway before i forgot i wanted to just mention the quinine thing because as far as i am concerned, anything to get rid of the leg cramps. 

diane, near philly, pa

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That's so correct, Bethann. Quinine is a highly bioactive substance and is

not providing the body with a baseline solution to what is really

wrong. Whatever it may be doing to prevent leg cramps, it is not

addressing WHY there are cramps to start with.

Magnesium deficiency is a major cause. So is potassium deficiency. I have

been extremely happy with the potassium bicarbonate that we purchased as

powder from Beyond a Century.

Mag oil works wonders for leg cramps for me, or a glass of the potassium

bicarb as above, or both. Another thing to do is have a glass of water

with a 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon of unrefined salt.

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>There is no such thing as low quinine. I'm all for natural remedies and

>such, but just because it's natural, or herbal, doesn't mean it can't be

>harmful if they aren't used properly and with respect. It pays to be

>careful with new substances until you know how they will react to your

>individual chemistry. I for one do not advocate taking anything and

>everything willy nilly.

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>> " soda " makes my legs and feet swell. anyway before i forgot i wanted to

>>just mention the quinine thing because as far as i am concerned, anything

>>to get rid of the leg cramps.

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[Guest guest]

Diane, try the mag oil too. Fibromyalgia is real, I have it.

Dr Murphrees has videos on You Tube and his very first one talks about how

people (who are mostly female) with fibro are told it's all in our heads,

and he says that is wrong and it is very real. His methods of treatment

are excellent, I already do many of them.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dr+murphree & aq=f

>i am achy a lot but you know what i heard was that fibromyalgia is a name

>for something the med profession doesn't know how to diagnose turns out to

>be hypo thyroid. don't know how true that is, but stranger things have

>been known to happen. gotta get ivory soap...

wishing you well,

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Marji!!!!! Thank you so much for sharing your scientific

experiment! right on!

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At 06:06 PM 9/1/2010, you wrote:

>

> >

> > what does ivory soap under the mattress do? how does that work? i

> > need to get mag oil i guess. i can try that but really, this is a

> > mission. when i get the cramps in the leg between the knee and the

> > groin, they don't want to go away and they are ridiculously painful.

> > diane, near philly, pa

>

>I may have something to contribute here. I have three issues that

>coincide in this soap treatment for leg cramps. One, I have multiple

>chemical sensitivities, so that if I am near something with a chemical I

>react to my lips, tongue, then throat begin to burn like I was eating hot

>peppers. That's point one.

>

>Next, I have severe cramps in my toes and calfs when I'm in bed,

>especially in the morning. I am taking magnesium supplements daily and

>potassium to balance the mag. Still I have the cramping.

>

>Finally, I also have leaky gut problems, which means often nutrients

>normally absorbed in the gut to nourish the body don't get absorbed. At

>the same time, bad ingredients do leak into the bloodstream.

>

>So here we have a gut that doesn't absorb nutrient intake, aka magnesium

>by mouth! A sensitivity to chemicals, such as perfumes and additives

>found in various products.

>

>Well here was the acid test: I read your advice about putting a bar of

>Ivory soap in bed near my feet. Ivory soap is supposed to be 99 and

>44/100ths percent pure. They don't say pure what, but I didn't think that

>included perfumes. But it does, just a little perfume.

>

>So here I was, testing the soap. The cramps started in my toes, then my

>calfs. I felt around the bed with my feet for the soap bar, grasped it

>between my two feet so the bar was next to the bottoms of my feet which

>would be most absorbant... and within seconds I could TASTE the hot pepper

>feeling that I get from chemicals. So I knew that something was

>immediately being absorbed through my skin.

>

>Very shortly after that, maybe less than a minute my leg cramps subsided,

>and finally quit! These have been severe cramps until then. Nothing

>would stop them but walking around to cause different pressures to relax

>the cramped muscles.

>

>OK, what do we learn from this? First my body did absorb something from

>the soap bar. It doubtless was the perfume that caused the chemical

>sensitivity, but that was good because it showed me that something was

>indeed being absorbed into my blood stream. The cramping stopped very

>soon after, which tells me something in the soap nourished the toes and

>calf muscles.

>

>Checking the ingredients in Ivory soap I learned that it does contain

>magnesium sulfate. Magnesium! I was taking magnesium supplements, but

>because of my poor gut absorbtion I wasn't getting it into my blood. FYI,

>calcium which we get lots of in milk, cheese, etc., causes muscles to

>contract. Magnesium causes muscles to relax. We don't get nearly enough

>magnesium, it being lost from the soil that grows our food.

>

>So the Ivory soap passed the test. The magnesium was absorbed through my

>feet and got immediately into the blood stream where the problem was...

>the toes and legs. The taste of peppers told me something was being

>absorbed indeed. And the cramping stopped not only during the night, but

>was less and less as the days wore on, apparently because the absorption

>during the night of being near the soap kept feeding my cells with

>magnesium as I slept.

>

>So, how about that, gals? Absolutely amazing! It sounded like a crazy

>idea, going to bed with a bar of soap. But logical when we know the

>science and what the body is doing.

>

>Try it, just leave the soap in bed with you. All night you'll be

>absorbing some good stuff you need.

>Marji

>

>

>

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the dosage is all, according to some sage or other.Anyhow I had been using mag oil at the recommended doseand not noticing very much. So I doubled the amount andnow I am so relaxed I hardly want to move.!!Everyone has to find out for themselves what work's butit was interesting to read Marji's story.

>

> >

> > what does ivory soap under the mattress do? how does that work? i

> > need to get mag oil i guess. i can try that but really, this is a

> > mission. when i get the cramps in the leg between the knee and the

> > groin, they don't want to go away and they are ridiculously painful.

> > diane, near philly, pa

>

>I may have something to contribute here. I have three issues that

>coincide in this soap treatment for leg cramps. One, I have multiple

>chemical sensitivities, so that if I am near something with a chemical I

>react to my lips, tongue, then throat begin to burn like I was eating hot

>peppers. That's point one.

>

>Next, I have severe cramps in my toes and calfs when I'm in bed,

>especially in the morning. I am taking magnesium supplements daily and

>potassium to balance the mag. Still I have the cramping.

>

>Finally, I also have leaky gut problems, which means often nutrients

>normally absorbed in the gut to nourish the body don't get absorbed. At

>the same time, bad ingredients do leak into the bloodstream.

>

>So here we have a gut that doesn't absorb nutrient intake, aka magnesium

>by mouth! A sensitivity to chemicals, such as perfumes and additives

>found in various products.

>

>Well here was the acid test: I read your advice about putting a bar of

>Ivory soap in bed near my feet. Ivory soap is supposed to be 99 and

>44/100ths percent pure. They don't say pure what, but I didn't think that

>included perfumes. But it does, just a little perfume.

>

>So here I was, testing the soap. The cramps started in my toes, then my

>calfs. I felt around the bed with my feet for the soap bar, grasped it

>between my two feet so the bar was next to the bottoms of my feet which

>would be most absorbant... and within seconds I could TASTE the hot pepper

>feeling that I get from chemicals. So I knew that something was

>immediately being absorbed through my skin.

>

>Very shortly after that, maybe less than a minute my leg cramps subsided,

>and finally quit! These have been severe cramps until then. Nothing

>would stop them but walking around to cause different pressures to relax

>the cramped muscles.

>

>OK, what do we learn from this? First my body did absorb something from

>the soap bar. It doubtless was the perfume that caused the chemical

>sensitivity, but that was good because it showed me that something was

>indeed being absorbed into my blood stream. The cramping stopped very

>soon after, which tells me something in the soap nourished the toes and

>calf muscles.

>

>Checking the ingredients in Ivory soap I learned that it does contain

>magnesium sulfate. Magnesium! I was taking magnesium supplements, but

>because of my poor gut absorbtion I wasn't getting it into my blood. FYI,

>calcium which we get lots of in milk, cheese, etc., causes muscles to

>contract. Magnesium causes muscles to relax. We don't get nearly enough

>magnesium, it being lost from the soil that grows our food.

>

>So the Ivory soap passed the test. The magnesium was absorbed through my

>feet and got immediately into the blood stream where the problem was...

>the toes and legs. The taste of peppers told me something was being

>absorbed indeed. And the cramping stopped not only during the night, but

>was less and less as the days wore on, apparently because the absorption

>during the night of being near the soap kept feeding my cells with

>magnesium as I slept.

>

>So, how about that, gals? Absolutely amazing! It sounded like a crazy

>idea, going to bed with a bar of soap. But logical when we know the

>science and what the body is doing.

>

>Try it, just leave the soap in bed with you. All night you'll be

>absorbing some good stuff you need.

>Marji

>

>

>

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