Re: Can bromine toxicity cause cough, sore throat symptoms?

[Guest guest]

Iodine-related bromide symptoms may include but are ****not be limited to:

eye lid twitching

foot twitching

tingling in hands or feet

dark thoughts (e.g., there is no reason to live)

depression (e.g., there is no reason to get out of bed)

anxiety

emotionality

mouth and tongue sores and cuts or " sore mouth "

" different " acne, " bromide acne, " " acne-like eruptions " without " coniform. "  

(Some iodine users found zinc helps bromide acne.)

skin " cuts "

hair loss

brain fog

leg and hip ache (feels like arthritis)

rash (bromaderma)

metallic  taste

*****sinus ache

*****runny nose

headache

sedation

lethargy

odd swallowing sensation (reported in old  medical literature as " swollen glottis " )

body odor (bromos is Greek for stench)

unusual urine odor

dry mouth

ureteral spasm, frequent urination (mistaken for urinary infection)

diarrhea

constipation

vision changes

irritability

increased salivation

dream changes

hormone changes

kidney pain

breast tenderness (transient symptom reported to resolve)

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:03 PM, shimonwimon <@...> wrote:

Just upped my Iodoral from 12.5 mg/day to 50 mg/day and now have awful sore throat, cough, head and chest congestion. No fever to speak of. First time I've been sick for years (since I started supplementing with Vitamin D and keeping my blood levels of it above 50). I haven't read of these sorts of symptoms from bromine toxicity, but am curious what others think.

I do know I am highly toxic in bromine. Dr. Flechas, who consulted with my doc, said my 24-hour-loading test bromine excretion (well over 50mg) was extreme, worse than 7 out of 8 people they've tested. He's the one who suggested going to 50 mg Iodoral and retesting in three months. He was very concerned about that level of bromine, especially in someone who's been on 12.5 mg Iodoral for the better part of a year.

Thanks.

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[Guest guest]

When you have detox symptoms and is when you salt load to ease the symptoms. from IllinoisFrom: shimonwimon <@...>iodine Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 1:03:49 PMSubject: Can bromine toxicity cause cough, sore

throat symptoms?

Just upped my Iodoral from 12.5 mg/day to 50 mg/day and now have awful sore throat, cough, head and chest congestion. No fever to speak of. First time I've been sick for years (since I started supplementing with Vitamin D and keeping my blood levels of it above 50). I haven't read of these sorts of symptoms from bromine toxicity, but am curious what others think.

I do know I am highly toxic in bromine. Dr. Flechas, who consulted with my doc, said my 24-hour-loading test bromine excretion (well over 50mg) was extreme, worse than 7 out of 8 people they've tested. He's the one who suggested going to 50 mg Iodoral and retesting in three months. He was very concerned about that level of bromine, especially in someone who's been on 12.5 mg Iodoral for the better part of a year.

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Sounds to me more like the viral bug making the rounds here.JudyThey that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever. Ps. 124:1

Just upped my Iodoral from 12.5 mg/day to 50 mg/day and now have awful sore throat, cough, head and chest congestion. No fever to speak of. First time I've been sick for years (since I started supplementing with Vitamin D and keeping my blood levels of it above 50). I haven't read of these sorts of symptoms from bromine toxicity, but am curious what others think.

I do know I am highly toxic in bromine. Dr. Flechas, who consulted with my doc, said my 24-hour-loading test bromine excretion (well over 50mg) was extreme, worse than 7 out of 8 people they've tested. He's the one who suggested going to 50 mg Iodoral and retesting in three months. He was very concerned about that level of bromine, especially in someone who's been on 12.5 mg Iodoral for the better part of a year.

Thanks.

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[Guest guest]

You said that you have been taking iodoral but did not speak to how you have

been using unrefined salt.

Iodine/iodide is one of the halides that is taken up by the halide receptors but

from what I understand it cannot " displace " any of the other halides. What I

understand is that chloride is what displaces bromide.

I have read in many places that it is not uncommon for physicians to administer

IV saline for documented bromide toxicity. If your physician will work with you

perhaps you could do some research about this and discuss with them whether it

would benefit you to go the IV route verses oral consumption of sodium chloride.

One site states: " Treatment for bromide toxicity is intravenous NaCl (normal

saline) with or without diuretics until plasma bromide levels fall below 50

mg/dL. At that point, administration may be oral NaCl tablets, until the

bromide is cleared from the body. "

Here is an interesting September 2009 article from the Journal of Medical

Toxicology titled " Case Files of the Medical Toxicology Fellowship at the New

York City Poison Control: Bromism:: Forgotten, but Not Gone " :

http://www.springerlink.com/content/2w36339j416h5u58/

Another case from China during 2008 in which IV saline was used:

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15563650802020361

Also this information: " While the usual half-life of bromide (the time for

half the body's complement of bromide to be eliminated) is 12 to 14 days

(Horowitz, 1997), a half-life of 65 hours has been calculated with saline

loading. Cases failing to respond to saline loading have been successfully

treated with mannitol or " loop " diuretics (a type of diuretic, or

water-excretion enhancing agent, that acts on a specific part of the kidney),

and one report calculated a half-life of 1.65 hours with " diuresis, " using the

agents mannitol and ethacrynic acid (Horowitz, 1997). " Source:

http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/library/randrep/pb_paper/mr1018.2.chap10.html

>

> Just upped my Iodoral from 12.5 mg/day to 50 mg/day and now have awful sore

throat, cough, head and chest congestion. No fever to speak of. First time I've

been sick for years (since I started supplementing with Vitamin D and keeping my

blood levels of it above 50). I haven't read of these sorts of symptoms from

bromine toxicity, but am curious what others think.

>

> I do know I am highly toxic in bromine. Dr. Flechas, who consulted with my

doc, said my 24-hour-loading test bromine excretion (well over 50mg) was

extreme, worse than 7 out of 8 people they've tested. He's the one who suggested

going to 50 mg Iodoral and retesting in three months. He was very concerned

about that level of bromine, especially in someone who's been on 12.5 mg Iodoral

for the better part of a year.

>

> Thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

I've had issues similar to this before I got past a certain point in detox. I

believe you are actually sick with a sore throat, and that it was the flux of

bromine that the iodine released that made you susceptible. I was never sick

for years, but I tried iodine a few times and each time I got a sore throat for

a few days, not a full blown illness by any means, but definitely more than

just detox symptoms. Good luck, keep up the salt loading and vitamin C and

other supports.

-

>

> Just upped my Iodoral from 12.5 mg/day to 50 mg/day and now have awful sore

throat, cough, head and chest congestion. No fever to speak of. First time I've

been sick for years (since I started supplementing with Vitamin D and keeping my

blood levels of it above 50). I haven't read of these sorts of symptoms from

bromine toxicity, but am curious what others think.

>

> I do know I am highly toxic in bromine. Dr. Flechas, who consulted with my

doc, said my 24-hour-loading test bromine excretion (well over 50mg) was

extreme, worse than 7 out of 8 people they've tested. He's the one who suggested

going to 50 mg Iodoral and retesting in three months. He was very concerned

about that level of bromine, especially in someone who's been on 12.5 mg Iodoral

for the better part of a year.

>

> Thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the interesting suggestion about IV saline treatment. I have not

heard that idea before in the context of iodine orthosupplementation. I'm

starting with Dr. Flechas's suggestion of 1 teaspoon Celtic salt (orally) per

day. Already my flu-like symptoms are receding, so I imagine it really was just

a bug as I suspected. Maybe coincidental, maybe the bromine detox suppressed my

immune system somewhat, who knows.

I must admit I'm alarmed by the high bromine level in the loading test. I may

request a serum level as well. I doubt my doc (or I) would feel good about IV

saline at the moment, but it's a good thing to keep in mind. I wonder if Dr.

Flechas or Dr. Brownstein has ever done this. My impression is that it's

normally used for acute bromine poisoning. But that doesn't mean it might not

help with the chronic toxicity many of us are apparently dealing with.

Thanks again.

> >

> > Just upped my Iodoral from 12.5 mg/day to 50 mg/day and now have awful sore

throat, cough, head and chest congestion. No fever to speak of. First time I've

been sick for years (since I started supplementing with Vitamin D and keeping my

blood levels of it above 50). I haven't read of these sorts of symptoms from

bromine toxicity, but am curious what others think.

> >

> > I do know I am highly toxic in bromine. Dr. Flechas, who consulted with my

doc, said my 24-hour-loading test bromine excretion (well over 50mg) was

extreme, worse than 7 out of 8 people they've tested. He's the one who suggested

going to 50 mg Iodoral and retesting in three months. He was very concerned

about that level of bromine, especially in someone who's been on 12.5 mg Iodoral

for the better part of a year.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, , very interesting! This has been one of my theories: that the

bromine release after quadrupling my Iodoral suppressed my immune system enough

to let me catch this bug. As I said, it's the first time I've really gotten sick

in years, since I started Vitamin D supplementation and keeping my blood levels

above 50. Before that, I was constantly sick. So your theory is plausible to me.

It's a scary thought, but this idea seems compatible with the observation Dr.

Brownstein and others have made about an apparent correlation between breast

cancer and high bromine levels. One imagines that immune suppression from

bromine toxicity could explain that, too.

Now if I can only figure out where I'm getting all this bromine from...but

that's a topic for another post.

Thanks again.

> >

> > Just upped my Iodoral from 12.5 mg/day to 50 mg/day and now have awful sore

throat, cough, head and chest congestion. No fever to speak of. First time I've

been sick for years (since I started supplementing with Vitamin D and keeping my

blood levels of it above 50). I haven't read of these sorts of symptoms from

bromine toxicity, but am curious what others think.

> >

> > I do know I am highly toxic in bromine. Dr. Flechas, who consulted with my

doc, said my 24-hour-loading test bromine excretion (well over 50mg) was

extreme, worse than 7 out of 8 people they've tested. He's the one who suggested

going to 50 mg Iodoral and retesting in three months. He was very concerned

about that level of bromine, especially in someone who's been on 12.5 mg Iodoral

for the better part of a year.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have an update on this topic. I spoke with Hakala from Hakala Research

today about my test results.

He asked if I had experienced any detox symptoms after increasing my Iodoral to

50 mg/day. With my extremely high bromine excretion (78 mg as measured by his

lab during my iodine loading test), he said he would expect me to have symptoms.

He said they do often see sinus headache and drainage that can mimic the

symptoms of a bad cold, complete with the sore throat and coughing I've been

experiencing.

Since my apparent cold hasn't gotten any better in over a week, I now suspect it

is in fact detox. I've never had sinus problems, so perhaps I just didn't

recognize the symptoms. As I said earlier, since beginning serious Vitamin D

supplementation and keeping my blood level above 50 I have not been sick even

one time in years. This is another reason I now suspect that my current problems

are from bromine detox rather than cold virus.

was surprised I haven't also had a bad skin reaction, but so far only a

little very mild acne on my face.

said I could cut back on my Iodoral to reduce the detox symptoms or I

could suffer through to speed up the bromine clearance. I asked if he thought it

was dangerous to continue to detox at this level, if I can stand the discomfort,

and he did not think it was.

I'm a little surprised that, judging from the responses to my original post,

people on this group have not had these kinds of detox symptoms. But my bromine

level is very high and we're all a bit different.

I will continue the Celtic salt at one teaspoon per day as recommended by Dr.

Flechas, along with the companion nutrients. I'll see how long I can stand these

symptoms. Nighttime is terrible, very hard to sleep. But I do want to get rid of

the bromine.

Any other suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks.

> > >

> > > Just upped my Iodoral from 12.5 mg/day to 50 mg/day and now have awful

sore throat, cough, head and chest congestion. No fever to speak of. First time

I've been sick for years (since I started supplementing with Vitamin D and

keeping my blood levels of it above 50). I haven't read of these sorts of

symptoms from bromine toxicity, but am curious what others think.

> > >

> > > I do know I am highly toxic in bromine. Dr. Flechas, who consulted with my

doc, said my 24-hour-loading test bromine excretion (well over 50mg) was

extreme, worse than 7 out of 8 people they've tested. He's the one who suggested

going to 50 mg Iodoral and retesting in three months. He was very concerned

about that level of bromine, especially in someone who's been on 12.5 mg Iodoral

for the better part of a year.

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

As I said in my previous post, this is all now clearer to me after consulting

with Hakala. Your experience sounds very consistent with mine: sore

throat, cough, headache coinciding with higher doses of iodine. I agree with you

that it's probably not the iodine causing these symptoms directly, but

indirectly by driving bromine out of the tissues.

I no longer think the bromine suppressed my immunity and allowed me to catch a

cold. More likely, as suggested, the bromine toxicity itself irritated

the sinuses, leading to headache and drainage. The drainage then leads to the

sore throat and coughing. It mimics a bad cold.

I asked about how long he thought it took for bromine toxicity symptoms

to start or stop after one increases or decreases one's dose of iodine. He said

on average 2-3 days. My " cold " started exactly three days after I began 50 mg of

Iodoral.

The thing that now concerns me the most is where the bromine exposure is coming

from in the first place. I don't drink Mountain Dew or any other soft drink. I

don't eat bread. I've always eaten a high salt diet (because I like salt and

I've long thought the anti-salt health hysteria is groundless). I do eat

vegetables and fruit, lots of them, and like everyone I have many things in my

home that no doubt contain brominated flame retardants. But my bromine level is

off the chart. Why? If I knew, I'd take strong corrective action. But I have no

idea if the problem is mostly bromine in foods, in house dust, or somewhere

else.

confirmed my impression that bromine is cleared from the body pretty

quickly: its half life is less than two weeks (somewhat longer for those on

low-salt diets). So to me the exposure must be ongoing or my 12.5 mg Iodoral

would have cleared it up months ago.

We desperately need tools for figuring out where our bromine exposure is coming

from. If anyone has information about this beyond the standard generalities, I'd

love to hear it, e.g., which fruits and veggies tend to contain the most methyl

bromide, which household items cause the most exposure, etc. I have a feeling

this knowledge does not exist, for the most part, unfortunately.

> > > >

> > > > Just upped my Iodoral from 12.5 mg/day to 50 mg/day and now have awful

sore throat, cough, head and chest congestion. No fever to speak of. First time

I've been sick for years (since I started supplementing with Vitamin D and

keeping my blood levels of it above 50). I haven't read of these sorts of

symptoms from bromine toxicity, but am curious what others think.

> > > >

> > > > I do know I am highly toxic in bromine. Dr. Flechas, who consulted with

my doc, said my 24-hour-loading test bromine excretion (well over 50mg) was

extreme, worse than 7 out of 8 people they've tested. He's the one who suggested

going to 50 mg Iodoral and retesting in three months. He was very concerned

about that level of bromine, especially in someone who's been on 12.5 mg Iodoral

for the better part of a year.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

When detox symptoms are this strong and not clearing up, the advice is to

back off the iodine a notch (or however much is necessary) and let the

detox clear up, work on one's detox pathways (liver, bowel) and then raise

the iodine again. Sometimes just waiting a week or a month before raising

it again gives the body a chance to adjust to the detoxing and then raising

the iodine doesn't cause the same level of symptoms.

One can be getting rid of bromides without suffering that extremely. It's

when the detox pathways are overwhelmed that symptoms occur. Extreme

symptoms that don't let up are considered to be an indication that backing

off the iodine is needed. Only for people with cancer or other extreme

time-pressured illness is it recommended to push past detox symptoms rather

than easing with them.

I've not been able to spend as much time with this list as I would like,

and didn't notice that no one had responded to your description with a

suggestion the symptoms could be detox. Definitely, sore throat, sinus

congestion, etc. can be detox symptoms.

--

At 02:31 PM 12/28/2010, you wrote:

>I have an update on this topic. I spoke with Hakala from Hakala

>Research today about my test results.

>

>He asked if I had experienced any detox symptoms after increasing my

>Iodoral to 50 mg/day. With my extremely high bromine excretion (78 mg as

>measured by his lab during my iodine loading test), he said he would

>expect me to have symptoms. He said they do often see sinus headache and

>drainage that can mimic the symptoms of a bad cold, complete with the sore

>throat and coughing I've been experiencing.

>

>Since my apparent cold hasn't gotten any better in over a week, I now

>suspect it is in fact detox. I've never had sinus problems, so perhaps I

>just didn't recognize the symptoms. As I said earlier, since beginning

>serious Vitamin D supplementation and keeping my blood level above 50 I

>have not been sick even one time in years. This is another reason I now

>suspect that my current problems are from bromine detox rather than cold virus.

>

> was surprised I haven't also had a bad skin reaction, but so far

>only a little very mild acne on my face.

>

> said I could cut back on my Iodoral to reduce the detox symptoms

>or I could suffer through to speed up the bromine clearance. I asked if he

>thought it was dangerous to continue to detox at this level, if I can

>stand the discomfort, and he did not think it was.

>

>I'm a little surprised that, judging from the responses to my original

>post, people on this group have not had these kinds of detox symptoms. But

>my bromine level is very high and we're all a bit different.

>

>I will continue the Celtic salt at one teaspoon per day as recommended by

>Dr. Flechas, along with the companion nutrients. I'll see how long I can

>stand these symptoms. Nighttime is terrible, very hard to sleep. But I do

>want to get rid of the bromine.

>

>Any other suggestions would be welcome.

>

>Thanks.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Just upped my Iodoral from 12.5 mg/day to 50 mg/day and now have

> awful sore throat, cough, head and chest congestion. No fever to speak

> of. First time I've been sick for years (since I started supplementing

> with Vitamin D and keeping my blood levels of it above 50). I haven't

> read of these sorts of symptoms from bromine toxicity, but am curious

> what others think.

> > > >

> > > > I do know I am highly toxic in bromine. Dr. Flechas, who consulted

> with my doc, said my 24-hour-loading test bromine excretion (well over

> 50mg) was extreme, worse than 7 out of 8 people they've tested. He's the

> one who suggested going to 50 mg Iodoral and retesting in three months.

> He was very concerned about that level of bromine, especially in someone

> who's been on 12.5 mg Iodoral for the better part of a year.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

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>

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>

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[Guest guest]

>I asked about how long he thought it took for bromine toxicity

>symptoms to start or stop after one increases or decreases one's dose of

>iodine. He said on average 2-3 days. My " cold " started exactly three days

>after I began 50 mg of Iodoral.

It has taken more than a week for me to start detox symptoms when I raised

my iodine level, and Steph I believe has said it took 10 days. So I don't

think 2-3 days is all that typical. I think that is too short a time.

> confirmed my impression that bromine is cleared from the body

>pretty quickly: its half life is less than two weeks (somewhat longer for

>those on low-salt diets). So to me the exposure must be ongoing or my 12.5

>mg Iodoral would have cleared it up months ago.

12.5mg of iodoral is not enough to keep bromides out of the body. That is

why 25mg is suggested as the maintenance dose. The body itself uses 12.5mg

of iodine a day, and the body requires a much larger dose of iodine in

order to rid itself of bromines. The body will use the iodine first for

the thyroid, then the reproductive organs and then the rest of the cells

and systems, and lastly if there is enough it will start knocking off the

halides from the cell receptors.

--

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Baxrox wrote:

>Iodine/iodide is one of the halides that is taken up by the halide

>receptors but from what I understand it cannot " displace " any of the other

>halides. What I understand is that chloride is what displaces bromide.

This isn't the case. Here is an article that describes iodine displacing

bromides and other halides from the body:

http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-09/IOD_09.htm

--

At 03:47 PM 12/22/2010, you wrote:

>You said that you have been taking iodoral but did not speak to how you

>have been using unrefined salt.

>

>Iodine/iodide is one of the halides that is taken up by the halide

>receptors but from what I understand it cannot " displace " any of the other

>halides. What I understand is that chloride is what displaces bromide.

>

>I have read in many places that it is not uncommon for physicians to

>administer IV saline for documented bromide toxicity. If your physician

>will work with you perhaps you could do some research about this and

>discuss with them whether it would benefit you to go the IV route verses

>oral consumption of sodium chloride.

>

>One site states: " Treatment for bromide toxicity is intravenous NaCl

>(normal saline) with or without diuretics until plasma bromide levels fall

>below 50 mg/dL. At that point, administration may be oral NaCl tablets,

>until the bromide is cleared from the body. "

>

>Here is an interesting September 2009 article from the Journal of Medical

>Toxicology titled " Case Files of the Medical Toxicology Fellowship at the

>New York City Poison Control: Bromism:: Forgotten, but Not Gone "

>: http://www.springerlink.com/content/2w36339j416h5u58/

>

>Another case from China during 2008 in which IV saline was

>used: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15563650802020361

>

>Also this information: " While the usual half-life of bromide (the time

>for half the body's complement of bromide to be eliminated) is 12 to 14

>days (Horowitz, 1997), a half-life of 65 hours has been calculated with

>saline loading. Cases failing to respond to saline loading have been

>successfully treated with mannitol or " loop " diuretics (a type of

>diuretic, or water-excretion enhancing agent, that acts on a specific part

>of the kidney), and one report calculated a half-life of 1.65 hours with

> " diuresis, " using the agents mannitol and ethacrynic acid (Horowitz,

>1997). " Source:

>http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/library/randrep/pb_paper/mr1018.2.chap10.html

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Just upped my Iodoral from 12.5 mg/day to 50 mg/day and now have awful

> sore throat, cough, head and chest congestion. No fever to speak of.

> First time I've been sick for years (since I started supplementing with

> Vitamin D and keeping my blood levels of it above 50). I haven't read of

> these sorts of symptoms from bromine toxicity, but am curious what others

> think.

> >

> > I do know I am highly toxic in bromine. Dr. Flechas, who consulted with

> my doc, said my 24-hour-loading test bromine excretion (well over 50mg)

> was extreme, worse than 7 out of 8 people they've tested. He's the one

> who suggested going to 50 mg Iodoral and retesting in three months. He

> was very concerned about that level of bromine, especially in someone

> who's been on 12.5 mg Iodoral for the better part of a year.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

>

>

>

>

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>

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>group IodineOT/

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Cell phones, radio frequecies, cellphone towers, x-rays, TV's, cars,etc. They are all over and there isn;tmuch you can do about now days. That is my belief. Even cordless phones. I read somewhere where they suggest to go back to old style phones. from IllinoisFrom: shimonwimon <@...>iodine Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 3:46:40 PMSubject: Re: Can bromine toxicity cause cough, sore throat symptoms?

As I said in my previous post, this is all now clearer to me after consulting with Hakala. Your experience sounds very consistent with mine: sore throat, cough, headache coinciding with higher doses of iodine. I agree with you that it's probably not the iodine causing these symptoms directly, but indirectly by driving bromine out of the tissues.

I no longer think the bromine suppressed my immunity and allowed me to catch a cold. More likely, as suggested, the bromine toxicity itself irritated the sinuses, leading to headache and drainage. The drainage then leads to the sore throat and coughing. It mimics a bad cold.

I asked about how long he thought it took for bromine toxicity symptoms to start or stop after one increases or decreases one's dose of iodine. He said on average 2-3 days. My "cold" started exactly three days after I began 50 mg of Iodoral.

The thing that now concerns me the most is where the bromine exposure is coming from in the first place. I don't drink Mountain Dew or any other soft drink. I don't eat bread. I've always eaten a high salt diet (because I like salt and I've long thought the anti-salt health hysteria is groundless). I do eat vegetables and fruit, lots of them, and like everyone I have many things in my home that no doubt contain brominated flame retardants. But my bromine level is off the chart. Why? If I knew, I'd take strong corrective action. But I have no idea if the problem is mostly bromine in foods, in house dust, or somewhere else.

confirmed my impression that bromine is cleared from the body pretty quickly: its half life is less than two weeks (somewhat longer for those on low-salt diets). So to me the exposure must be ongoing or my 12.5 mg Iodoral would have cleared it up months ago.

We desperately need tools for figuring out where our bromine exposure is coming from. If anyone has information about this beyond the standard generalities, I'd love to hear it, e.g., which fruits and veggies tend to contain the most methyl bromide, which household items cause the most exposure, etc. I have a feeling this knowledge does not exist, for the most part, unfortunately.

> > > >

> > > > Just upped my Iodoral from 12.5 mg/day to 50 mg/day and now have awful sore throat, cough, head and chest congestion. No fever to speak of. First time I've been sick for years (since I started supplementing with Vitamin D and keeping my blood levels of it above 50). I haven't read of these sorts of symptoms from bromine toxicity, but am curious what others think.

> > > >

> > > > I do know I am highly toxic in bromine. Dr. Flechas, who consulted with my doc, said my 24-hour-loading test bromine excretion (well over 50mg) was extreme, worse than 7 out of 8 people they've tested. He's the one who suggested going to 50 mg Iodoral and retesting in three months. He was very concerned about that level of bromine, especially in someone who's been on 12.5 mg Iodoral for the better part of a year.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> 12.5mg of iodoral is not enough to keep bromides out of the body. That is

> why 25mg is suggested as the maintenance dose. The body itself uses 12.5mg

> of iodine a day, and the body requires a much larger dose of iodine in

> order to rid itself of bromines. The body will use the iodine first for

> the thyroid, then the reproductive organs and then the rest of the cells

> and systems, and lastly if there is enough it will start knocking off the

> halides from the cell receptors.

But even with no iodine supplementation at all, bromine supposedly has a half

life of less than two weeks in the human body. With 12.5 mg Iodoral that number

should, if anything, go down, but even if it didn't, there must be heavy,

ongoing exposure or I would have cleared myself of bromine within a few months.

Instead, my bromine burden seems to be sky high.

My doc is wondering if perhaps I clear bromine (and maybe other toxins) poorly,

though there are no other indications of that (I will be doing an Environmental

Toxins test in a few months which may shed light on this possibility).

Another possibility is that the oft-repeated idea that bromine half life is

short in the body is incorrect, like so many other medical chestnuts. I haven't

looked into the evidence behind that claim so I don't know. Maybe I'm now

detoxing years and years of bromine accumulation.

Or else I am really somehow getting exposed to lots and lots of bromine on a

regular basis. I think that's a very real possibility. I just don't know how to

go about determining exactly what the biggest sources are, though I will

continue to research this topic. Short of having all my food and furnishings lab

tested, at this point I'm stumped.

In the short term, I plan to increase my already high percentage of organic

produce. But Dr. Brownstein has said that even organics can pack a load of

bromine from contaminated ground water, again pointing to the need for specific

data on bromine exposure from foods, furniture, etc.

By the way, as many of you probably know, agricultural use of methyl bromide is

at the tail end of a global phaseout (not due to health concerns, but due to its

supposed contribution to global warming). Europe has apparently eliminated it

completely, but some U.S. crops are still getting " critical use " exemptions (I

believe California strawberries, bell peppers, and, heaven help us all, wine

grapes, are among them) and it is still used to fumigate some imports, exports,

and the like.

[Guest guest]

Do you play golf? Golf courses are loaded with methyl bromide. I'm a golfer and my bromine excretion levels were at one time 66 or so. Several years of supplementing @ 50 mg Iodoral a day have brought these levels down to about 30. Not sure they will ever get any lower.

BarbF

In a message dated 12/28/2010 4:49:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, @... writes:

But my bromine level is off the chart. Why?

[Guest guest]

Good thought! But I've never played golf in my life. I'm surprised they're still

using methyl bromide in light of the international phaseout under the Montreal

Protocols. Maybe it's a " critical exception, " like California strawberries.

>

> Do you play golf? Golf courses are loaded with methyl bromide. I'm a

> golfer and my bromine excretion levels were at one time 66 or so. Several

> years of supplementing @ 50 mg Iodoral a day have brought these levels down

to

> about 30. Not sure they will ever get any lower.

> BarbF

>

>

> In a message dated 12/28/2010 4:49:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> @... writes:

>

> But my bromine level is off the chart. Why?

>

[Guest guest]

At 06:42 AM 12/29/2010, you wrote:

> > 12.5mg of iodoral is not enough to keep bromides out of the body. That is

> > why 25mg is suggested as the maintenance dose. The body itself uses

> 12.5mg

> > of iodine a day, and the body requires a much larger dose of iodine in

> > order to rid itself of bromines. The body will use the iodine first for

> > the thyroid, then the reproductive organs and then the rest of the cells

> > and systems, and lastly if there is enough it will start knocking off the

> > halides from the cell receptors.

>

>

>But even with no iodine supplementation at all, bromine supposedly has a

>half life of less than two weeks in the human body.

This is supposition not fact, and no doubt a " medical chestnut " as you put

it-- Western medicine does not WANT to understand bromides in the human

body because it would require major structural changes in our society and

the Western medical establishment is not prepared to call for such

changes. If we could get rid of bromides on our own we wouldn't be ill and

the iodine we did get would be put to proper use. Plus it's not just

bromides. There is chlorine and fluoride everywhere in the environment and

those both also displace iodine in the body.

It's very easy to have ongoing bromide exposure-- our computers are full of

it, any cloth that is " fire retardant " is full of it. Btw fire retardant

in children's clothes has finally been outlawed, I'm not sure when the

actual phaseout is schedule to occur. So I guess on some level Western

medical is acknowledging bromide poisoning, but they still put it in bread.

It's better to think more in terms of lifelong iodine supplementation than

that you're somehow going to rid your environment of bromides and the other

halides. I wish I saw a future for the planet in which that is true but

it's not happening right now, put it that way. And right now is when our

health needs to improve.

--

>With 12.5 mg Iodoral that number should, if anything, go down, but even if

>it didn't, there must be heavy, ongoing exposure or I would have cleared

>myself of bromine within a few months. Instead, my bromine burden seems to

>be sky high.

>

>My doc is wondering if perhaps I clear bromine (and maybe other toxins)

>poorly, though there are no other indications of that (I will be doing an

>Environmental Toxins test in a few months which may shed light on this

>possibility).

>

>Another possibility is that the oft-repeated idea that bromine half life

>is short in the body is incorrect, like so many other medical chestnuts. I

>haven't looked into the evidence behind that claim so I don't know. Maybe

>I'm now detoxing years and years of bromine accumulation.

>

>Or else I am really somehow getting exposed to lots and lots of bromine on

>a regular basis. I think that's a very real possibility. I just don't know

>how to go about determining exactly what the biggest sources are, though I

>will continue to research this topic. Short of having all my food and

>furnishings lab tested, at this point I'm stumped.

>

>In the short term, I plan to increase my already high percentage of

>organic produce. But Dr. Brownstein has said that even organics can pack a

>load of bromine from contaminated ground water, again pointing to the need

>for specific data on bromine exposure from foods, furniture, etc.

>

>By the way, as many of you probably know, agricultural use of methyl

>bromide is at the tail end of a global phaseout (not due to health

>concerns, but due to its supposed contribution to global warming). Europe

>has apparently eliminated it completely, but some U.S. crops are still

>getting " critical use " exemptions (I believe California strawberries, bell

>peppers, and, heaven help us all, wine grapes, are among them) and it is

>still used to fumigate some imports, exports, and the like.

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

I'm currently reading Slow Death by Rubber Duck which discusses bromine

at length. Dust is a big source of our exposure. I've read here in the

list many times that fabrics and rugs treated with flame retardants are

a source of bromine, along with tv's, computers, cell phones, new cars,

etc. Every product treated with bromine will ultimately produce dust

that contains bromine. Talk about a light bulb moment! It's so self

evident when you think about it, but I've been wondering for a long time

how does the bromine get from my computer into ME.

Now I'm wondering how to dust, how often to dust. OR, could we possibly

be better off leaving it undisturbed? (wishful thinking from a person

who never did like to dust).

Jana

On 12/28/2010 3:46 PM, shimonwimon wrote:

> The thing that now concerns me the most is where the bromine exposure is

coming from in the first place. I don't drink Mountain Dew or any other soft

drink. I don't eat bread. I've always eaten a high salt diet (because I like

salt and I've long thought the anti-salt health hysteria is groundless). I do

eat vegetables and fruit, lots of them, and like everyone I have many things in

my home that no doubt contain brominated flame retardants. But my bromine level

is off the chart. Why? If I knew, I'd take strong corrective action. But I have

no idea if the problem is mostly bromine in foods, in house dust, or somewhere

else.

>

[Guest guest]

What was of particular interest with me was how I never got these " cold "

symptoms when I first began the Iodoral back in 2007, clear up until I stopped

in 2009 and resumed in Apr 2010. I felt that once I did a good detox and had

taken it as long as I had, and since it is cumulative in the body, (doesn't it

also hide in fat like a lot of other toxins?) I had taken care of it, but after

resuming it last Apr and having a different detox symptom, I guess it wasn't

gone. Just had a thought now though, since my detox and symptoms are different

between the two occasions of starting Iodoral, maybe what was happening is it

was detoxing from a different part of my body? Of course the Thyroid holds the

most, and although I never had a TSH test before, I recently had my TSH tested

and it was opposite of what I thought it would be. It was in limits but near

the Hyper end so it's gotten plenty of Iodine no doubt. I thought it would have

been near the Hypo end since my sister is Hypo and I have always felt cold when

others felt warm. As for the sore throat, keep in mind that it is still the

most logical place to get an infection since it's irritated and probably kind of

raw. My throat felt that way for 5 mos before I finally realized what was going

on. I had not associated it with the Iodine since nowhere did I read it could

be until now.

I also am curious now about how we are exposed, as well as why I had this

particular symptom when I did. More research needs to be done, but Iodine is

still not talked about enough. We are just beginning to realize about the false

" Lipid Hypothesis " , and seems like society can only handle one realization at a

time. The lies on fats will take years to clear up, so it will take even longer

for the lies on Iodine to clear up as well. Not good news huh? By the way,

have you read about the " Gulf War " vaccine? It was extremely high levels of

Bromine that caused that, they even admit it. I had a friend that was on a ship

in the Navy and he said instead of treating their domestic water supply with

Chlorine, it was treated with Bromine, and BOY did HE ever detox when I got him

started on Iodoral! He had to cut back, he couldn't handle it. Stuff is

everywhere, just look at the production levels of it, and you know it's going

SOMEWHERE.

One thing I wanted to comment on, was the brain fog. I have it pretty bad, and

I was hoping Iodine would clear it up, and although it seems to have helped a

bit, it didn't clear up. I now realize it is from my blood sugar problem. I

have Hypoglycemia, or whatever you call it. I am low all the time, and so the

brain starves of fuel. Over time I read, it causes Alzheimer's. Sugar and

high-carbs are my demon and so I have eliminated that and already feeling

better, with some cognitive ability returning. I hate not being able to think

as quick as I used to. Iodine has just been a part of the bigger picture. I am

glad now that I am sufficient in it and have a well functioning thyroid.

We can't forget about Chlorine/Flouride either. I still drink it on occasion

when I'm outside, take showers in it, swim in it and brush/rinse my teeth with

it, so I have by no means eliminated all exposures of Halides. Bromine is not

the only Halide, although maybe the worst. Mercury if you get a flu shot or eat

fish. Hard to get away from everything...

Did you eliminate the PROCESSED salt in your diet?

So, any thoughts on why I only experienced the " cold " symptoms on my 2nd

go-around? It's baffling.

> > > > >

> > > > > Just upped my Iodoral from 12.5 mg/day to 50 mg/day and now have awful

sore throat, cough, head and chest congestion. No fever to speak of. First time

I've been sick for years (since I started supplementing with Vitamin D and

keeping my blood levels of it above 50). I haven't read of these sorts of

symptoms from bromine toxicity, but am curious what others think.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do know I am highly toxic in bromine. Dr. Flechas, who consulted

with my doc, said my 24-hour-loading test bromine excretion (well over 50mg) was

extreme, worse than 7 out of 8 people they've tested. He's the one who suggested

going to 50 mg Iodoral and retesting in three months. He was very concerned

about that level of bromine, especially in someone who's been on 12.5 mg Iodoral

for the better part of a year.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

A friend told me that one needs to be careful with iodine. This statement

helped me to come to this thought. It is ironic that we are warned against the

one element that our bodies cannot live without but there is little concern (

for many) for bromide, chlorine or fluoride exposure. I wonder how much

chlorine a professional swimmer gets in just one day, let alone five days a

week? If the numbers were ran (maybe they have been before) I bet the intake is

higher than 25mg/day.

Joan

>

> This is supposition not fact, and no doubt a " medical chestnut " as you put

> it-- Western medicine does not WANT to understand bromides in the human

> body because it would require major structural changes in our society and

> the Western medical establishment is not prepared to call for such

> changes. If we could get rid of bromides on our own we wouldn't be ill and

> the iodine we did get would be put to proper use. Plus it's not just

> bromides. There is chlorine and fluoride everywhere in the environment and

> those both also displace iodine in the body.

>

> It's very easy to have ongoing bromide exposure-- our computers are full of

> it, any cloth that is " fire retardant " is full of it. Btw fire retardant

> in children's clothes has finally been outlawed, I'm not sure when the

> actual phaseout is schedule to occur. So I guess on some level Western

> medical is acknowledging bromide poisoning, but they still put it in bread.

>

> It's better to think more in terms of lifelong iodine supplementation than

> that you're somehow going to rid your environment of bromides and the other

> halides. I wish I saw a future for the planet in which that is true but

> it's not happening right now, put it that way. And right now is when our

> health needs to improve.

>

> --

>

>

>

> >With 12.5 mg Iodoral that number should, if anything, go down, but even if

> >it didn't, there must be heavy, ongoing exposure or I would have cleared

> >myself of bromine within a few months. Instead, my bromine burden seems to

> >be sky high.

> >

> >My doc is wondering if perhaps I clear bromine (and maybe other toxins)

> >poorly, though there are no other indications of that (I will be doing an

> >Environmental Toxins test in a few months which may shed light on this

> >possibility).

> >

> >Another possibility is that the oft-repeated idea that bromine half life

> >is short in the body is incorrect, like so many other medical chestnuts. I

> >haven't looked into the evidence behind that claim so I don't know. Maybe

> >I'm now detoxing years and years of bromine accumulation.

> >

> >Or else I am really somehow getting exposed to lots and lots of bromine on

> >a regular basis. I think that's a very real possibility. I just don't know

> >how to go about determining exactly what the biggest sources are, though I

> >will continue to research this topic. Short of having all my food and

> >furnishings lab tested, at this point I'm stumped.

> >

> >In the short term, I plan to increase my already high percentage of

> >organic produce. But Dr. Brownstein has said that even organics can pack a

> >load of bromine from contaminated ground water, again pointing to the need

> >for specific data on bromine exposure from foods, furniture, etc.

> >

> >By the way, as many of you probably know, agricultural use of methyl

> >bromide is at the tail end of a global phaseout (not due to health

> >concerns, but due to its supposed contribution to global warming). Europe

> >has apparently eliminated it completely, but some U.S. crops are still

> >getting " critical use " exemptions (I believe California strawberries, bell

> >peppers, and, heaven help us all, wine grapes, are among them) and it is

> >still used to fumigate some imports, exports, and the like.

> >

> >

> >

> >------------------------------------

> >

> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

> >group IodineOT/

> >

> >

> >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Ironic indeed.

We have to be strong and be willing to be in the truth about iodine, which

means sweeping away the lies on a regular basis.

--V

>A friend told me that one needs to be careful with iodine. This statement

>helped me to come to this thought. It is ironic that we are warned

>against the one element that our bodies cannot live without but there is

>little concern ( for many) for bromide, chlorine or fluoride exposure. I

>wonder how much chlorine a professional swimmer gets in just one day, let

>alone five days a week? If the numbers were ran (maybe they have been

>before) I bet the intake is higher than 25mg/day.

>

>Joan

>

> >

> > This is supposition not fact, and no doubt a " medical chestnut " as you put

> > it-- Western medicine does not WANT to understand bromides in the human

> > body because it would require major structural changes in our society and

> > the Western medical establishment is not prepared to call for such

> > changes. If we could get rid of bromides on our own we wouldn't be ill

> and

> > the iodine we did get would be put to proper use. Plus it's not just

> > bromides. There is chlorine and fluoride everywhere in the environment

> and

> > those both also displace iodine in the body.

> >

> > It's very easy to have ongoing bromide exposure-- our computers are

> full of

> > it, any cloth that is " fire retardant " is full of it. Btw fire retardant

> > in children's clothes has finally been outlawed, I'm not sure when the

> > actual phaseout is schedule to occur. So I guess on some level Western

> > medical is acknowledging bromide poisoning, but they still put it in bread.

> >

> > It's better to think more in terms of lifelong iodine supplementation than

> > that you're somehow going to rid your environment of bromides and the

> other

> > halides. I wish I saw a future for the planet in which that is true but

> > it's not happening right now, put it that way. And right now is when our

> > health needs to improve.

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> >

> > >With 12.5 mg Iodoral that number should, if anything, go down, but

> even if

> > >it didn't, there must be heavy, ongoing exposure or I would have cleared

> > >myself of bromine within a few months. Instead, my bromine burden

> seems to

> > >be sky high.

> > >

> > >My doc is wondering if perhaps I clear bromine (and maybe other toxins)

> > >poorly, though there are no other indications of that (I will be doing an

> > >Environmental Toxins test in a few months which may shed light on this

> > >possibility).

> > >

> > >Another possibility is that the oft-repeated idea that bromine half life

> > >is short in the body is incorrect, like so many other medical

> chestnuts. I

> > >haven't looked into the evidence behind that claim so I don't know. Maybe

> > >I'm now detoxing years and years of bromine accumulation.

> > >

> > >Or else I am really somehow getting exposed to lots and lots of

> bromine on

> > >a regular basis. I think that's a very real possibility. I just don't

> know

> > >how to go about determining exactly what the biggest sources are,

> though I

> > >will continue to research this topic. Short of having all my food and

> > >furnishings lab tested, at this point I'm stumped.

> > >

> > >In the short term, I plan to increase my already high percentage of

> > >organic produce. But Dr. Brownstein has said that even organics can

> pack a

> > >load of bromine from contaminated ground water, again pointing to the

> need

> > >for specific data on bromine exposure from foods, furniture, etc.

> > >

> > >By the way, as many of you probably know, agricultural use of methyl

> > >bromide is at the tail end of a global phaseout (not due to health

> > >concerns, but due to its supposed contribution to global warming). Europe

> > >has apparently eliminated it completely, but some U.S. crops are still

> > >getting " critical use " exemptions (I believe California strawberries,

> bell

> > >peppers, and, heaven help us all, wine grapes, are among them) and it is

> > >still used to fumigate some imports, exports, and the like.

> >

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Very ironic.

The RDA for iodine is stated in micrograms, a very small amount. If you live in

a fluoridated water community, you easily could be drinking 3 to 4 milligrams a

day just from the 1 ppm fluoridation, not to mention what you might get in food

processed and prepared with fluoridated water, toothpaste, mouthwash, tea, and

at the dentist. You might easily get 10mg of fluorine a day government

approved, a sure road to skeletal fluorosis. This is insane to say that it is

ok to get 10mg of fluorine a day and only 150 mcg a day of iodine is

recommended. You should be getting at least as much iodine as fluorine, if not

more, just to counteract the toxic fluorine you are ingesting, and in reality

you should be getting zero fluorine. But people have this so messed up in their

minds that they actually believe iodine is a danger, but have no fear of

fluorine and bromine; after all, the government wouldn't allow something bad in

our food and water, now would they.

>

> A friend told me that one needs to be careful with iodine. This statement

helped me to come to this thought. It is ironic that we are warned against the

one element that our bodies cannot live without but there is little concern (

for many) for bromide, chlorine or fluoride exposure. I wonder how much

chlorine a professional swimmer gets in just one day, let alone five days a

week? If the numbers were ran (maybe they have been before) I bet the intake is

higher than 25mg/day.

>

> Joan

>

> >

> > This is supposition not fact, and no doubt a " medical chestnut " as you put

> > it-- Western medicine does not WANT to understand bromides in the human

> > body because it would require major structural changes in our society and

> > the Western medical establishment is not prepared to call for such

> > changes. If we could get rid of bromides on our own we wouldn't be ill and

> > the iodine we did get would be put to proper use. Plus it's not just

> > bromides. There is chlorine and fluoride everywhere in the environment and

> > those both also displace iodine in the body.

> >

> > It's very easy to have ongoing bromide exposure-- our computers are full of

> > it, any cloth that is " fire retardant " is full of it. Btw fire retardant

> > in children's clothes has finally been outlawed, I'm not sure when the

> > actual phaseout is schedule to occur. So I guess on some level Western

> > medical is acknowledging bromide poisoning, but they still put it in bread.

> >

> > It's better to think more in terms of lifelong iodine supplementation than

> > that you're somehow going to rid your environment of bromides and the other

> > halides. I wish I saw a future for the planet in which that is true but

> > it's not happening right now, put it that way. And right now is when our

> > health needs to improve.

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> >

> > >With 12.5 mg Iodoral that number should, if anything, go down, but even if

> > >it didn't, there must be heavy, ongoing exposure or I would have cleared

> > >myself of bromine within a few months. Instead, my bromine burden seems to

> > >be sky high.

> > >

> > >My doc is wondering if perhaps I clear bromine (and maybe other toxins)

> > >poorly, though there are no other indications of that (I will be doing an

> > >Environmental Toxins test in a few months which may shed light on this

> > >possibility).

> > >

> > >Another possibility is that the oft-repeated idea that bromine half life

> > >is short in the body is incorrect, like so many other medical chestnuts. I

> > >haven't looked into the evidence behind that claim so I don't know. Maybe

> > >I'm now detoxing years and years of bromine accumulation.

> > >

> > >Or else I am really somehow getting exposed to lots and lots of bromine on

> > >a regular basis. I think that's a very real possibility. I just don't know

> > >how to go about determining exactly what the biggest sources are, though I

> > >will continue to research this topic. Short of having all my food and

> > >furnishings lab tested, at this point I'm stumped.

> > >

> > >In the short term, I plan to increase my already high percentage of

> > >organic produce. But Dr. Brownstein has said that even organics can pack a

> > >load of bromine from contaminated ground water, again pointing to the need

> > >for specific data on bromine exposure from foods, furniture, etc.

> > >

> > >By the way, as many of you probably know, agricultural use of methyl

> > >bromide is at the tail end of a global phaseout (not due to health

> > >concerns, but due to its supposed contribution to global warming). Europe

> > >has apparently eliminated it completely, but some U.S. crops are still

> > >getting " critical use " exemptions (I believe California strawberries, bell

> > >peppers, and, heaven help us all, wine grapes, are among them) and it is

> > >still used to fumigate some imports, exports, and the like.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >------------------------------------

> > >

> > >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

> > >group IodineOT/

> > >

> > >

> > >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I have no idea why got different symptoms, presumably from bromine detox,

at different times during iodine supplementation.

As for salt, I have been using Celtic salt per Dr. Brownstein's recommendations.

With daily consumption of 1 teaspoon plus liberal use in food, plus pretty

aggressive salt loading, I'm still suffering a lot from the " cold " symptoms that

Hakala thought could really be sinus symptoms from bromine detox. Since

they are badly affecting my sleep, I am reluctantly going to try decreasing from

50 mg to 25 mg Iodoral for a bit and see what happens. I did not experience any

obvious detox symptoms for the two weeks I was on 25 mg. Perhaps this will also

help to test 's theory. If I find that I can turn on and off the " cold "

symptoms by increasing or decreasing my iodine dose I'll be convinced.

I do want to eliminate the bromine (and other toxins) as fast as I can, but it

does not seem to make sense to make myself ill for a long period of time to do

so. It's hard for me to determine what is optimal, so some self-experimentation

seems a good strategy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just upped my Iodoral from 12.5 mg/day to 50 mg/day and now have

awful sore throat, cough, head and chest congestion. No fever to speak of. First

time I've been sick for years (since I started supplementing with Vitamin D and

keeping my blood levels of it above 50). I haven't read of these sorts of

symptoms from bromine toxicity, but am curious what others think.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do know I am highly toxic in bromine. Dr. Flechas, who consulted

with my doc, said my 24-hour-loading test bromine excretion (well over 50mg) was

extreme, worse than 7 out of 8 people they've tested. He's the one who suggested

going to 50 mg Iodoral and retesting in three months. He was very concerned

about that level of bromine, especially in someone who's been on 12.5 mg Iodoral

for the better part of a year.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks.

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Thanks for the reply. As if it wasn't strange enough that I had the " cold "

symptoms late in the game, just yesterday I got a totally new symptom, and think

it is detox related also. I'm breaking out all over my body with itchy bumps,

like when you get a mosquito bite, and it swells slightly and itches a lot. I

just noticed one as I'm typing this, between 2 fingers, that one is more

swollen. It's kinda fat, so I feel it as I'm typing. This is totally new to

me, although my wife has had something similar in the past, itchy little bumps

but hers didn't swell. I am sure I am having a Histamine reaction to something.

I am not eating or doing anything different than I have for at least the past

month or so. I did get a sore throat that lasted 2 days, followed by a real

cold, with runny nose, cough, phlegm, and tiredness, but I'm now on the downhill

side, almost back to normal. I did start taking DIM-plus more than a month ago

to help with my Estrogen Dominance, and it has really helped in several ways, so

I doubt it's causing any problems after taking it for this long. Seems to be

another detox popping up and since my wife saw it as well, it would make sense.

I remember how she would scratch incessantly and I would tell her it's not good

to scratch it, and now here I have the same irresistible urge. I also have a

" racing " heartbeat, and anxiety kind of feelings. I read that when you have a

Histamine response to something, you should drink lots of water, so that's what

I'm going to do. Just thought I would share this odd symptom. I guess I've

learned that detox is not always over with after the first initial detox stage.

I thought once you got over that hump of say 3-6 months or so, there were no

more symptoms, and that is what happened, but here I am having first the " cold "

symptoms and now the odd swollen bumps. I wish someone here who has experienced

these would comment. I haven't seen it in any list of symptoms. I will do the

same as you, play with the dosing, maybe even going higher, or quitting

altogether briefly to see what happens, but my goal is to keep on pushing

through as much as possible. Best of luck with your symptoms, we do need to

detox for sure.

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awful sore throat, cough, head and chest congestion. No fever to speak of. First

time I've been sick for years (since I started supplementing with Vitamin D and

keeping my blood levels of it above 50). I haven't read of these sorts of

symptoms from bromine toxicity, but am curious what others think.

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with my doc, said my 24-hour-loading test bromine excretion (well over 50mg) was

extreme, worse than 7 out of 8 people they've tested. He's the one who suggested

going to 50 mg Iodoral and retesting in three months. He was very concerned

about that level of bromine, especially in someone who's been on 12.5 mg Iodoral

for the better part of a year.

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A couple things come to mind. Keep in mind that we are seldom dealing with just one issue. You sound considerably like me.... What I have learned is that candida contributes to a lot of my symptoms and I had to get it under control and work to keep it under control. There are a lot of products out there that help. I use GSE a lot and Candex and Yeast Defense....but there is no substitute for changing your diet. Lest you be enough like me that it sounds daunting because you like your carbs, the GSE took away my craving for carbs and I go back to it any time I find myself wistfully thinking about pasta or potato or bread.

If you decide to fight candida, do your research. It is hard to kill it off without a die off reaction (flu like symptoms) for a few days.

In the course of treating the candida you may find you have heavy metals. I suspect this because of the rash and brain fog. You would do well to do a 24 hour urine test which you can get from a naturopath, that uses a provoking agent, to determind your heavy metal load.

Candida and mercury/lead especially like each other and work to protect each other so if you are fighting one, you really need to fight the other.

Iodine did help my brain fog but fighting candida and heavy metals have really been significant in that realm.

Finally, I think we are duped into thinking healing is linear by western mindsets. This is not true. We begin treatment and improve over time and reach a point where our bodies need to re-set so they redistribute remaining toxins causing old symptoms to reappear or new symptoms to manifest. Also, as we heal one issue, we often find the next thing we need to work on. Its one big science fair project... Continuous. But I for one feel better and am doing better so on we go!

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