Preschool

[Guest guest]

WHOA!!!!! Hold the reigns!!!

I was a licensed PRIVATE daycare provider in Colorado for 3 years (as of last

year). She cannot refuse caring for your children based on your exemption from

vaccinations. (I think unless this was a church run daycare) It is MOST

DEFIANTLY an infringement on your rights for her to have written this letter to

the other parents. I'm happy she chose to do it in a anonymous way. The only

thing that a childcare provider MUST do is if a child in the daycare contracts

one of these diseases, YOUR children must be excluded from the childcare for the

incubation period of the disease.

I did choose to tell the parents who came to my daycare of my choice, but that

was because if anyone came down with any of these diseases, my entire daycare

would have to shut down. I also asked parents to keep children home for 2 days

after getting Polio vaxes and for the day after getting any other vaccines. I

gave information to parents (for example) as to which Polio vax was safer for

their child to receive for ME as their provider. Like don't make me change the

diaper of a child who received the live vax.

ZooNana

preschool

With all this going on about round-up--thought I might get your opinion.

I put my kids in the employee daycare at the resort where I work and not one

of the workers, with the exception of the director, knew I could refuse to

vaccinate. I had to point out that it was on the form--not even the director

knew it was on the form. She told me she would have to research what I needed

to do to get the exemption on file. The truly amazing thing about that is that

on the form where you must fill out their shot record, the direct back side has

a place to sign for medical, philosophical or religious exemption. I'm amazed

that these people look at these forms everyday and didn't bother to read the

back side. The director told me she would take my children un-immunized (she

has the right to refuse as it is a private daycare) but that she would have to

send out a letter to the parents stating that there were un-immunized children

in the daycare and that it was a potential risk to my children as well as to the

immunized children. However, she did not mention the names of my children and

for someone who firmly believes in vaccinating, she wrote a very fair letter.

She also waited several weeks to send it out so my kids wouldn't be pin-pointed

as the un-vaccianted ones.

adrienne in winter park, co

[Guest guest]

How rediculous--sending out a letter to parents! The vaccinated kids are more a

threat to you than the other way around. If they were using the same form as

public schools (with the exemption choices on the back) they couldn't have

refused you for it. Most people just haven't ever met anyone who doesn't think

vaccinations are the best invention. That's why they probably didn't read the

form. You'd never guess there was a choice.

L.

Proud mom to Autumn 1-13-97 & Zoe 8-8-00

preschool

With all this going on about round-up--thought I might get your opinion.

I put my kids in the employee daycare at the resort where I work and not one

of the workers, with the exception of the director, knew I could refuse to

vaccinate. I had to point out that it was on the form--not even the director

knew it was on the form. She told me she would have to research what I needed

to do to get the exemption on file. The truly amazing thing about that is that

on the form where you must fill out their shot record, the direct back side has

a place to sign for medical, philosophical or religious exemption. I'm amazed

that these people look at these forms everyday and didn't bother to read the

back side. The director told me she would take my children un-immunized (she

has the right to refuse as it is a private daycare) but that she would have to

send out a letter to the parents stating that there were un-immunized children

in the daycare and that it was a potential risk to my children as well as to the

immunized children. However, she did not mention the names of my children and

for someone who firmly believes in vaccinating, she wrote a very fair letter.

She also waited several weeks to send it out so my kids wouldn't be pin-pointed

as the un-vaccianted ones.

adrienne in winter park, co

[Guest guest]

I sent my son to preschool through our districts early childhood programs.He

started getting speech and OT at home right after he was 2 and continued with

that until he turned 3 and the early childhood program took over.I could have

put in in a private preschool but that would have cost money and then I would

have had to pay for his therapy out of my pocket since our insurance only

pays for 20 visits in a six month period.He did five a week. I couldn't

afford pre school and from people I know who's kids went to the early

childhood one it was more expensive to go there then another preschool so I

guess I was lucky.Gretchen

[Guest guest]

My twin girls have both been in regular preschool. One of them has

severe apraxia. She used to be in a special ed preschool, but it

did not work for us. It's a long story. She has done really well

at regular preschool. There are lots of young kids that don't talk

much, and I think preschoolers don't really care.

Good luck!

Suzi

--- In @y..., " marina3029 " <philipmary@z...>

wrote:

> How many of you have your kids in regular preschool? I'm

> investigating it for next fall and would be doing it for the

> socialization factor only (no special services, etc.). I'm also

> concerned because my son doesn't really realize how different his

> speech is. Most of the kids he's around don't really care because

> they've grown up with him and, hey, let's face it - truck noises

are

> pretty much the same! I'm worried bc he has NO qualms about

talking

> to other people - even an SLP thought it was great how uninhibited

he

> was. Just wondering what experiences others have had. I'm

weighing

> the benefits of being around other kids and the interactions with

the

> negative effects. It hasn't been an issue until now bc I've

wanted

> him home with me and he just potty trained fully. Any suggestions

> are welcome!

>

> Thanks for your input.

> Marina

[Guest guest]

Hi Marina, I have a 5 yr old son who is non-verbal & autistic. This is his

second year in a typical nursery school. I included him in a typical setting

for several reasons.. socialization being one. also has an aide that

helps him when he needs it. is a great visual learner and has learned

so much at nursery school. uses sign for communicating and PECS for

transition from activities.. The kids at school have welcomed with open

arms.. They have learned some basic signs, constantly encourages him, he has

FRIENDS! and they actually PLAY with him! I was also worried that he might

pick-up bad habits or the kids would be mean to him because of his dx & being

non-verbal but I was so wrong in more ways than one. will be transitioning

into Kindergarten with a one-one aide this september. I truly believe

would not have been ready to take this next step if it wasnt for Nursery School.

I hope this helps..

----- Original Message -----

How many of you have your kids in regular preschool? I'm

investigating it for next fall and would be doing it for the

socialization factor only (no special services, etc.). I'm also

concerned because my son doesn't really realize how different his

speech is. Most of the kids he's around don't really care because

they've grown up with him and, hey, let's face it - truck noises are

pretty much the same! I'm worried bc he has NO qualms about talking

to other people - even an SLP thought it was great how uninhibited he

was. Just wondering what experiences others have had. I'm weighing

the benefits of being around other kids and the interactions with the

negative effects. It hasn't been an issue until now bc I've wanted

him home with me and he just potty trained fully. Any suggestions

are welcome!

Thanks for your input.

Marina

[Guest guest]

Marina -

You are lucky your son is so comfortable talking around others. Lenny is

very aware of the fact that his speech is different. He does best in small

groups and around his close friends and family. He will be going to an

intergrated preschool in September.

Lenny had a bad experience the other day at a party. He was doing great with

the other kids (playing, talking). At one point one of the boys told him

" Lenny you can't play -- we don't understand you -- we don't talk Chinese " .

He was devastated and did not talk to anyone (not even me) for the rest of

the day. The first thing he told me the following day was that " he was not

Chinese " . As Lenny is getting older it is getting more obvious that he has a

speech problem -- up until now there were others his age still not speaking

great. Now that he is going on four people know that he is not just a late

talker.

For us, intergrated works great. He is around others with special needs so

he doesn't feel isolated and he is around others who are " normal " so he

follows and imitates their speech. Also we love the attention he gets in the

smaller class size.

Good Luck in your decision.

Lynaugh

[Guest guest]

,

It's amazing what strong little human beings our kids need to become with

this speech problem. I am putting my son in an integrated pre-school this

fall. Wiley is so incredibly social and laid back in many ways. I hope as

time goes on that he doesn't withdraw more due to his speech problems. It

must have really hurt you, too, at the party. I definitely want Wiley in an

integrated preschool, especially since the teaching philosophy will touch

upon respect for individual differences, etc. It would be impossible to

send a child into a setting that unusually mean remarks were made daily to

him.

Betsy

>

>For us, intergrated works great. He is around others with special needs so

>he doesn't feel isolated and he is around others who are " normal " so he

>follows and imitates their speech. Also we love the attention he gets in

>the

>smaller class size.

>

>Good Luck in your decision.

>

> Lynaugh

[Guest guest]

Thanks. I'll look into all of our options. has a late

birthday (Dec.) so won't be starting Kindergarten until fall of 2005

when she is almost 6. I am definitely considering keeping her out of

the preschool, but will get her private individual therapy either

through the school district or out-of-pocket (maybe both as she needs

a lot). There are so many classes through our rec center that I

would love to do with her, but haven't been able to due to EI

conflicts. It would be great to not have to miss out on these early

years together.

Jill

> Jill,

> Your daughter has same " diagnoses " as my son....he also is a second

child, with my first being extremely bright. We also went through

MUCH soul searching when our son turned three and had to transition

from EI to the public school system. I am a strong believer that you

must take the ENTIRE family's needs and strengths into consideration

when you decide on what course of intervention to pursue. We

recognized that our son had a problem and needed something " special "

but at the same time, knew he needed to be treatted the same as our

other son and to lead as " normalized " a life as possible. So...for

the first year(age 3) he got his therapy from a private rehab center,

paid for by medicaid (this is FEDERAL money that states can access

but most states offer it under different names......ask ask

ask.....many states are PUSHING to get all uninsured children on

health insurance).....and got to come to a playgroup every week, went

to Sunday School every week and enjoyed my older son and his friends

as well. The next year (age 4)we moved to a differnt state the

public school agreed to give him the individual therapy at the public

school (any school can do this even if you don't take advantage of

their " pre-school " program but they don't like to as it holds them

more accountable to actually do the one-on-one therapy and makes

extra work for them to call you and tell you not to bring her that

day since someone is sick or in a meeting.....once you get them to

agree that she needs the therapy then tell them you will be bringing

her in for it and ask for days and times. This rule changes once

the child is in mandatory full day school, usually kindergarten or

first grade....if you decide to " homeschool " then, then they are not

obligated by law to provide the individual therapy.)

> I would HIGHLY recommend this route for you as it sounds like their

preschool is not meeting NAEYC standards for " developmental

appropriateness " (ours was not either). Hope this helps. Carol,

mother who has been there and done that.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Trina,

I'm sorry I didn't understand your problem with the preschool.. I didn't

read your email correctly. I thought they didn't want your son because he

was autistic, not because he didn't have vaccinations. Here in Minnesota

all you have to do is get a note from a doctor. Or a document notarized

saying you object to the vaccinations. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Marcia

Preschool

> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:16:34 -0600

>

> I know finding a preschool that is appropriate is hard, but why would you

> want your kids in a school that doesn't want them? Find one that cares

> about your kids.

> Marcia

>

>

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[Guest guest]

My son attends preschool (at a methodist church) with a religious

waiver. I was told that they accept whatever the county schools

accept and a religious waiver is provided by Ga. law.

Anyway, we did not state our " religion " . My husband, who is a

lawyer, drafted a very simple affidavit stating basically what the

law says - vaccination is in conflict with our religious beliefs.

Period. I don't think they can ask you about your religion. Or they

can ask, but I don't think what your religion is, is a condition of

admittance.

Kayla in Georgia

> Hi there. I have been a memeber of this list quite a while now. I

> mostly read, read, read. I am hoping someone may be able to answer

a

> question for me regarding preschool. I am thinking about enrolling

my

> son, age 3 1/2, in a summer preschool program for 2 days a week, 3

hours

> per day. I know that they will require up to date vaccinations,

but we

> have stopped since my sons 2nd DTaP which he had a nasty reaction

to. I

> did get a medical exemption from the ped. for that particular shot,

but

> he would not give the exemption for the others. He continually

> " threatend " not to see us anymore if we did not continue with the

vax

> schedule. We are now looking into seeing Dr. Butram in Quakertown,

PA

> if a doctor is needed (also for my son to be born this July).

>

> Back to the subject: Can I use the religious exemption letter for

PA

> that has been posted on this list, typically for regular schools,

for

> preschools. Are they generally more strict or less strict than a

school?

> Anyone in PA have a hard time getting their kids into preschool for

not

> vaccinating?

>

> TIA,

>

> Tammy

[Guest guest]

We have went through our public school system, and it has been great so far.

Jake is 22 months old . a teacher comes to our house once a week and a speech

therapist comes to our house every other week. when he turns 3 ,he will go to

school. they get him ready for main stream school. We also still take him Ark.

childrens Hospital once a week, for therapy there.

[Guest guest]

,

That would depend on your child's educational assessment and IEP

(Individual Education Plan) and your state's special educational

provisions. A good contact would be the Parents' Coordinator at AG

Bell Association -- their phone number can be found at their website:

www.agbell.org

They would be able to put you into touch with other parents who have

gone through the same process as you have, with their own children who

are deaf or hard of hearing, in need of an oral education, be it at

their own neighborhood schools or at an oral program.

Good luck,

implanted 10/20; activation 12/8

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:39:21 -0000, tahoetreefort

<tahoetreefort@...> wrote:

>

>

> I wanted to find out if most parents utilized the public preschools

> for their implanted child or if they sent them to an Oral Deaf

> school. Also how your child progressed in either situation.

>

> Thanks!

>

> (mom to 2.7yo)

> Implanted 3/25/04

> Activated 5/7/04

> N24C

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is a battle that I am currently working on. The district has set up their

own type of " oral preschool " for her and I do not think that it will work. I

also drive her 75 miles one day a week to an oral deaf school. Right now I am

in the process of fighting to get her removed from the district preschool to the

oral deaf school. The home preschool did okay with her but to start out they

were way behind in their goals and objectives for her. One quote from her

teacher at the oral deaf school is that Annika would be a teenager if I left her

in the home preschool at the rate they were going. So this would be interesting

for me to find out also. And if I may add to it. How much time does your child

spend at either school and how old was the child when they started the

preschool?

Annika right now has 1 1/2 hours two days a week in the home program and then

she goes 3 1/2 hours one day to the oral deaf school and she is 2 1/2 years old.

Preschool

I wanted to find out if most parents utilized the public preschools

for their implanted child or if they sent them to an Oral Deaf

school. Also how your child progressed in either situation.

Thanks!

(mom to 2.7yo)

Implanted 3/25/04

Activated 5/7/04

N24C

[Guest guest]

Hi

I have my son Chris(6yrs old) in the public school system. Where he is

mainstreamed for the most part. He has speech everyday for 30 mins and a part

time aide. He is doing very well.

If you are interested in more details feel free to email me.

Tim(dad to N24C)

implanted 9/14/01

activated 10/8/01

From: " tahoetreefort " <tahoetreefort@...>

Date: 2004/10/28 Thu PM 12:39:21 EDT

Subject: Preschool

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/28/2004 10:02:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

rlw70@... writes:

I also drive her 75 miles one day a week to an oral deaf school.

Bless your heart, my mother had to drive me to preschool 5 days a week when

I three, which was 30 miles away. 60 miles times 5,,, 300 miles a week.. oh

my... this went on until the home district offered bus transport when I was

in 4th grade.

Lee

[Guest guest]

Let them ask first, chances are they'll have you fill out the forms and stuff

first.

There is a place to sign on the back of the blue vaccination form to say you're

taking the exemption.

Let me know if you have any problems - I'm also in SoCal (San Diego)

Chelly

Owner of:

http://www.hug-a-bum.com

http://www.diapertesters.com

Preschool

I live in Southern California very near a La Petite Academy and I was

considering putting my daughter in for a half day once a week (5 hours).

I am a full time stay at home mom but I find that I could really use a

few hours per week to get some things done.

Anywho........I digress my real question is should I tell them up

front that she is not vaxed or should I wait until they ask me? Will they

ask me? Anybody have experience with this particular school? Let me know

the best way to handle them.

mama to Beth

NO VAX EVER

[Guest guest]

You may want to look on a couple of different sites...I've found information

on Child Care and Schools on both of these sites...

www.wrightslaw.com

www.thearc.org

Marcia

7yo (DS)

Preschool

Does anyone know what the " law " is about private preschools and the issue of

being potty trained? I didn't have this issue come up when Mac was in

preschool. Now that Kit is at that age the school (same school, different

administration) is questioning the potty issue. She is not potty trained,

but I expect her to be in pull-ups by fall and she should be fine for 2 hrs.

of preschool. I thought preschools (of any kind) could not use the potty

training excuse when it comes to kids with disabilities. Any ideas or know

where I can find the facts--quickly? IEP mtg. is Thursday am.

Thanks.

Jill

Mom to Mac (7 yrs.) and Kit (3.75 yrs)

[Guest guest]

You may want to look on a couple of different sites...I've found information

on Child Care and Schools on both of these sites...

www.wrightslaw.com

www.thearc.org

Marcia

7yo (DS)

Preschool

Does anyone know what the " law " is about private preschools and the issue of

being potty trained? I didn't have this issue come up when Mac was in

preschool. Now that Kit is at that age the school (same school, different

administration) is questioning the potty issue. She is not potty trained,

but I expect her to be in pull-ups by fall and she should be fine for 2 hrs.

of preschool. I thought preschools (of any kind) could not use the potty

training excuse when it comes to kids with disabilities. Any ideas or know

where I can find the facts--quickly? IEP mtg. is Thursday am.

Thanks.

Jill

Mom to Mac (7 yrs.) and Kit (3.75 yrs)

[Guest guest]

Put it in the IEP. One of his goals will be working on toileting. Or,

toilet every hour, or whatever works. They tried this with Maverick at

Headstart.. it wouldn't float when we put it in the IEP. Shoot, that was 10

years ago

... where is the progress???

M.

[Guest guest]

Put it in the IEP. One of his goals will be working on toileting. Or,

toilet every hour, or whatever works. They tried this with Maverick at

Headstart.. it wouldn't float when we put it in the IEP. Shoot, that was 10

years ago

... where is the progress???

M.

[Guest guest]

You can make him a picture communication book. Its relatively easy to do, you

can google images, or just take pictures of your own & put them in.

I think my son would've done much better had he been mainstreamed from the

door. His speech is just starting to pick up & I think its because of me

pushing the pre k mainstream (pre k disabled in the pm).

Good luck.

" Wendi K. Chapman " <WendiChapman@...> wrote:

I have a son who will be 3 in July - and our Developmental Peditrician

has recommeded him going to a regular preschool in the fall, so that he can

model the other kids.

My concern is - he does not talk. He only says a handful of words, and I am

afraid that he will not be able to tell them what he wants, etc.

Does anyone know of any other options ,etc?? Any ideas are appreciated.....

[Guest guest]

HI

My son is in a " diabled " preschool but it has peer models too. FOr my ds it is

the best of both worlds. It is through the local school dostrict and part of the

federal early childhood intervention programs. Have you taken your child for a

free screening through your local agency?

Martha

Kayce Spader <kayce_the_nut@...> wrote:

You can make him a picture communication book. Its relatively easy to

do, you can google images, or just take pictures of your own & put them in.

I think my son would've done much better had he been mainstreamed from the door.

His speech is just starting to pick up & I think its because of me pushing the

pre k mainstream (pre k disabled in the pm).

Good luck.

" Wendi K. Chapman " <WendiChapman@...> wrote:

I have a son who will be 3 in July - and our Developmental Peditrician has

recommeded him going to a regular preschool in the fall, so that he can model

the other kids.

My concern is - he does not talk. He only says a handful of words, and I am

afraid that he will not be able to tell them what he wants, etc.

Does anyone know of any other options ,etc?? Any ideas are appreciated.....

[Guest guest]

,

I do not recommend he go to regular pre-school. There is nothing wrong with

Special Services Preschool. In fact, my son has benefited tremendously from

it. He too was nonverbal until he was about 4 y.o.! He entered the Special

Ed. Preschool at the age of 3 and he was in a class with at most 11 other

students with same or other developmental delays including high functioning

autistic. He was not able to verbalize at all then and they even talked

about a ACC device the coming year. This did not come to fruition as he

started to verbalize even if it was a little then.

He is pulled out for Speech Therapy 3x a week and OT 3x a week. He had an

aide his first year as he could not stay on task. She helped him focus,

helped him with his coat, feeding and even DIAPER! He now speaks in

sentences. He does not have the fluidity of someone who doesn't have

Apraxia and probably never will. When he thinks about what he needs to say

and remembers how to say the words, he can communicate pretty effectively.

I think all these things in combination with private Speech Therapy & the

supplements I give him have been extremely beneficial to him. If your son

is Apraxic, he will not learn to speak by hearing people speak (models). He

needs Speech Therapy by a therapist who has expertise (experience) with

Apraxia. I'm now faced with making a similar decision for him for

Kindergarten..I will have to see what the school has in mind for him. We

meet next week.

Myra

Kayce Spader

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You can make him a picture communication book. Its relatively easy to do,

you can google images, or just take pictures of your own & put them in.

I think my son would've done much better had he been mainstreamed from the

door. His speech is just starting to pick up & I think its because of me

pushing the pre k mainstream (pre k disabled in the pm).

Good luck.

" Wendi K. Chapman " <WendiChapman@...> wrote:

I have a son who will be 3 in July - and our Developmental Peditrician has

recommeded him going to a regular preschool in the fall, so that he can

model the other kids.

My concern is - he does not talk. He only says a handful of words, and I am

afraid that he will not be able to tell them what he wants, etc.

Does anyone know of any other options ,etc?? Any ideas are appreciated.....

[Guest guest]

I believe a blended classroom is best. Most schools are using this

approach because it provides typically developing children as models,

plus you have an environment where the a special ed teacher is

overseeing -- not just a teacher with an ECE certificate.

>

> I have a son who will be 3 in July - and our Developmental

Peditrician has recommeded him going to a regular preschool in the

fall, so that he can model the other kids.

>

> My concern is - he does not talk. He only says a handful of words,

and I am afraid that he will not be able to tell them what he wants,

etc.

>

> Does anyone know of any other options ,etc?? Any ideas are

appreciated.....

>

>

[Guest guest]

My son has attended the public preschool for two years. The first year

it was " integrated " -- classified kids with some language models. This

year, it's revered -- a few classified kids, a few lottery kids, and

the rest are " at risk " kids who qualify for free lunch. I've been

thrilled with the program. They are sensitive to his needs,

more " academic " and structured than a typical preschool, and he gets

pull outs for speech and OT. I think this was a great choice for us,

but it is not offered everywhere and not done well everywhere.

in NJ

>

> I have a son who will be 3 in July - and our Developmental

Peditrician has recommeded him going to a regular preschool in the

fall, so that he can model the other kids.

>

> My concern is - he does not talk. He only says a handful of words,

and I am afraid that he will not be able to tell them what he wants,

etc.

>

> Does anyone know of any other options ,etc?? Any ideas are

appreciated.....

>

>