Re: DH tested

[Guest guest]

So recessive A's on both sides of the O families would not make an A child?

Re: DH tested

Murray wrote:

> Since when wasn't all of life subject to change? I'm not sure I know

of many hard and fast rules that in one way or another don't have some

at least minor exceptions.

>

,

Life changes according to a set of rules - not randomly :-)) The

universe is full of hard and fast rules - everything from gravity to

sunshine is predictable and all forms of life are determined by the

genes in the nucleus of their cells - half from each parent according to

set rules of genetics - including the rules for weird oddball

occurrences like chimeras - all by rules. Those rules apply to plants,

insects, snakes, cats, fish, tadpoles, fungus, bacteria, prions, monkeys

and people and anything else " alive " .

And to suggest on this list that someone's children may be mutant new

forms of human all of a sudden - is inappropriate.

The changes to produce a new species of human take place slowly

over thousands or millions of years - not overnight:-) And a mutation of

a new blood type is NOT going to happen in this person's children. The

ABO blood group genes and their rules are here today and will be the

same tomorrow.

The conditions for a mutation are NOT met here. There's no Chernobyl

next door to the list member to accelerate mutation rate for example,

and even if there was, a mutation is rare - and even if it occurred, it

would not likely be a blood type mutation.

Mutation also works within set and predictable rules. There's

nothing random about the mechanisms - it all works in a logical and

intelligent way:-)

Life was not thrown together by mistake - it was designed - very well,

as is evident the more one investigates its pretty magnificent structure

:-))

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

No, because the O parents only have O genes, regardless of the grandparent's

genes. O is the recessive.

Re: DH tested

So recessive A's on both sides of the O families would not make an A

child?

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[Guest guest]

Murray wrote:

> So recessive A's on both sides of the O families would not make an A child?

>

No , because there is no such thing as an A gene recessive to O.

The O is the recessive allele here, which means BOTH genes in a person

with type O blood (the visible one that's active and the invisible one

that is there but not active) are BOTH O genes in a type O individual.

A is dominant and can hide an O, (same with but not the other way

round:-)) O can not hide any other genotype, it is homozygous recessive.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

danielle locke <tasdlocke@...> wrote: Irene, I am sending this email

directly to your email because what I would like to say is between us unlike

your reply when you called me egotistical and cruel. Number one you are a

little late, I ALREADY sent an email out IMMEDIATELY after discovering my

mistake. Number 2 it was a mistake I should have said that I was a biology

student nevertheless biology student majoring in biology.. NOT an expert, I even

said in my reply not to waste any money on testing. As far as egotistical, that

was a bit uncalled for especially since you did not send it directly to me. I

guess you like calling people on the carpet publicly. I am having a lot of

health problems myself just being 31 recovering from cancer and 3 surgeries so

maybe I got something a bit confused in Biology class and as far as high school,

I did not take biology in high school, I took Marine Biology...So maybe I should

not have been SO quick to reply in re to blood type but I was

just as fast to make my correction. I am not egotistical and to be honest with

you, I could be over reacting but as I sit here in my Katrina ravaged community

trying to get healthy at least healthy enough to be physically fit enough to

swim or save my life and children's life or better yet survive in an attic over

a hundred degrees for hours, and someone with much more knowledge so

condescendingly calls me egotistical and nasty, rather than using their

professional training or published material to inform me in a constructive way

doesn't impress me. So pardon me...If I have any questions, I will think twice

before asking this group and I hope that I didn't cause too much trouble

Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote:

danielle locke wrote:

> No, not necessarily. I am a Biology major and I can say that as far

a blood type goes, it it not the case. They probably are type O but

it is not engraved in stone.>

Okay let's put a stop to the silliness.

First you need a new biology teacher.

It IS indeed engraved in stone that two O parents can ONLY produce O

children.

As a biology major YOU should know that, with O being recessive!!!

As a molecular genetics M.Sc, with a book on genetics published, I'm

sure of it, but I was sure of it in high school genetics class too. When

the only genes present are for O, they can NOT make anything else no

matter which weird way you combine them, including every genetic " 1 in a

billion " anomaly you can think up!

And in my opinion - it is nasty to confuse such a simple matter for

the person who may waste hundreds of dollars on tests because you are

playing cruel games with them for what looks to me like egotistical

reasons - you sure have not checked this simple genetics out at all!!

O is recessive - there are ZERO carried genes to play with! Not even for

chimeras! Nothing but O is possible when all you start with, hidden or

visible, is O.

Two O parents will ONLY have O kids. Period.

Master,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

GET Real... You sound like you got half of this from a new age spirituality

book. I made an apology and you are so damn egotistical you could not even see

that. And for anyone else who reads this since I don't have permission to email

direct, You will find that I made a mistake and an apology to go along with it.

I thought this was a group that helped each other but you attack people who were

wrong and make accusations in re to their character. I

Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote:

danielle locke wrote:

> Irene, I am sending this email directly to your email because what I

> would like to say is between us unlike your reply when you called me

> egotistical and cruel.

I did not do that. Read my words again.

I described an ACTION that was taken - I did not describe a person. An

action is not a person, get real!

We all do actions that are unwise - that does not make us unwise - only

the individual action is unwise.

Have a good day. And think of this from the recipient's point of view

instead of yours! (It IS egotistical to think only of yours). They are

trying to figure out whether to spend hard-earned money or not.

I didn't read the rest of your post, you did not have the courtesy to

ask if you could write privately; permission is not automatic for

unsolicited email you know. Again- think of the other person and not

just yourself!

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

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Actually le, I thought that answer was sent to me.

Sally

Re: DH tested

danielle locke <tasdlocke@...> wrote: Irene, I am sending this email

directly to your email because what I would like to say is between us unlike

your reply when you called me egotistical and cruel. Number one you are a

little late, I ALREADY sent an email out IMMEDIATELY after discovering my

mistake. Number 2 it was a mistake I should have said that I was a biology

student nevertheless biology student majoring in biology.. NOT an expert, I even

said in my reply not to waste any money on testing. As far as egotistical, that

was a bit uncalled for especially since you did not send it directly to me. I

guess you like calling people on the carpet publicly. I am having a lot of

health problems myself just being 31 recovering from cancer and 3 surgeries so

maybe I got something a bit confused in Biology class and as far as high school,

I did not take biology in high school, I took Marine Biology...So maybe I should

not have been SO quick to reply in re to blood type but I was

just as fast to make my correction. I am not egotistical and to be honest with

you, I could be over reacting but as I sit here in my Katrina ravaged community

trying to get healthy at least healthy enough to be physically fit enough to

swim or save my life and children's life or better yet survive in an attic over

a hundred degrees for hours, and someone with much more knowledge so

condescendingly calls me egotistical and nasty, rather than using their

professional training or published material to inform me in a constructive way

doesn't impress me. So pardon me...If I have any questions, I will think twice

before asking this group and I hope that I didn't cause too much trouble

Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote:

danielle locke wrote:

> No, not necessarily. I am a Biology major and I can say that as far

a blood type goes, it it not the case. They probably are type O but

it is not engraved in stone.>

Okay let's put a stop to the silliness.

First you need a new biology teacher.

It IS indeed engraved in stone that two O parents can ONLY produce O

children.

As a biology major YOU should know that, with O being recessive!!!

As a molecular genetics M.Sc, with a book on genetics published, I'm

sure of it, but I was sure of it in high school genetics class too. When

the only genes present are for O, they can NOT make anything else no

matter which weird way you combine them, including every genetic " 1 in a

billion " anomaly you can think up!

And in my opinion - it is nasty to confuse such a simple matter for

the person who may waste hundreds of dollars on tests because you are

playing cruel games with them for what looks to me like egotistical

reasons - you sure have not checked this simple genetics out at all!!

O is recessive - there are ZERO carried genes to play with! Not even for

chimeras! Nothing but O is possible when all you start with, hidden or

visible, is O.

Two O parents will ONLY have O kids. Period.

Master,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

Pardon me, on the last one I sent. I signed, Sally, it's here. I'm called

either one, from a habit I got into in college 40 something years ago.

Re: DH tested

danielle locke <tasdlocke@...> wrote: Irene, I am sending this email

directly to your email because what I would like to say is between us unlike

your reply when you called me egotistical and cruel. Number one you are a

little late, I ALREADY sent an email out IMMEDIATELY after discovering my

mistake. Number 2 it was a mistake I should have said that I was a biology

student nevertheless biology student majoring in biology.. NOT an expert, I even

said in my reply not to waste any money on testing. As far as egotistical, that

was a bit uncalled for especially since you did not send it directly to me. I

guess you like calling people on the carpet publicly. I am having a lot of

health problems myself just being 31 recovering from cancer and 3 surgeries so

maybe I got something a bit confused in Biology class and as far as high school,

I did not take biology in high school, I took Marine Biology...So maybe I should

not have been SO quick to reply in re to blood type but I was

just as fast to make my correction. I am not egotistical and to be honest with

you, I could be over reacting but as I sit here in my Katrina ravaged community

trying to get healthy at least healthy enough to be physically fit enough to

swim or save my life and children's life or better yet survive in an attic over

a hundred degrees for hours, and someone with much more knowledge so

condescendingly calls me egotistical and nasty, rather than using their

professional training or published material to inform me in a constructive way

doesn't impress me. So pardon me...If I have any questions, I will think twice

before asking this group and I hope that I didn't cause too much trouble

Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote:

danielle locke wrote:

> No, not necessarily. I am a Biology major and I can say that as far

a blood type goes, it it not the case. They probably are type O but

it is not engraved in stone.>

Okay let's put a stop to the silliness.

First you need a new biology teacher.

It IS indeed engraved in stone that two O parents can ONLY produce O

children.

As a biology major YOU should know that, with O being recessive!!!

As a molecular genetics M.Sc, with a book on genetics published, I'm

sure of it, but I was sure of it in high school genetics class too. When

the only genes present are for O, they can NOT make anything else no

matter which weird way you combine them, including every genetic " 1 in a

billion " anomaly you can think up!

And in my opinion - it is nasty to confuse such a simple matter for

the person who may waste hundreds of dollars on tests because you are

playing cruel games with them for what looks to me like egotistical

reasons - you sure have not checked this simple genetics out at all!!

O is recessive - there are ZERO carried genes to play with! Not even for

chimeras! Nothing but O is possible when all you start with, hidden or

visible, is O.

Two O parents will ONLY have O kids. Period.

Master,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

danielle locke wrote:

> GET Real... You sound like you got half of this from a new age

spirituality book. I made an apology and you are so damn egotistical you

could not even see that. And for anyone else who reads this since I

don't have permission to email direct,>

You don't have permission to put private emails on the list either.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/20/2006 8:58:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,

tasdlocke@... writes:

If I have any questions, I will think twice before asking this group and I

hope that I didn't cause too much trouble

So, this is to punish us because you got handed your head for some faulty

advice you gave (even you admitted it was faulty)? Hey, you're punishing

yourself because there is a lot of knowledge on this website. We've all been

handed

our heads here for one thing or another because there's always new stuff

coming out. This is a group of people trying to help other people get healthy

not

spare their feelings. Everyone has a button and mine is that I have no

sympathy for people who come on here and try to justify eating foods that are

bad

for them and trying to get me to agree with them. Irene's button is someone

dispensing faulty health advice. Her head handing usually involves nuclear

tipped sentences and can piss people off; me included. I realize, however, that

she is a plain speaker but at the end of the day we want the correct answer not

the feel good ambiguous maybe's that got us here to start with. Everyone has

knowledge regardless of their background. Throw it out there and see what

others think. I would rather be corrected than labor under wrong information.

[Guest guest]

I've got to tell you, Irene, I just LOVE your posts! So incredibly interesting

and funny!

> > It is possible but not probable. For your kids to be something other

> > than an O, either you or your husband would have to be a Chimarra,

>

> He that's a far-fetched idea! You'd have to have a specific

> implementation of chimera too with sex cells one genotype and blood

> cells all another.

> It's so unlikely it's not worth considering.

>

> > What I wouldn't give to have the same bloodtype as my husband and

> > children!! You lucky duck!

>

> Yes I agree. My son and his family are all the same, as he and his wife

> are both O-neg nonsecretor like me! All the recessives in one pool:-)

> Talk about a high protein meat eating bunch! And the wife was really

> sickly when he met her as she'd decided to be vegetarian - luckily she

> learned how to feel healthy by eating meat :-)

>

> Now I have to figure how to feed my cat family each what they need. I

> have a VERY unusual situation in that I have all three blood groups in

> the household for cats - and there is no research D'Adamo style on cats

> as far as I can tell - I just know from experience they do not all do

> well on the same food!

>

> Cat blood type note for anyone interested:

> Most cats are type A and it's no hassle. A few are type B. A is dominant

> over B, so two A cats can have a B kitten, not vice versa. Blood

> transfusions can be deadly in cats if not typed.

> There's also a type AB but it is not at all related to type A or B -

> it's completely separate (badly named, should be called pq for peculiar

> or something) but it is extremely rare in cats and with the blood type

> kits you get no response to A or B antigens. Inheritance is not fully

> understood yet for AB.

> I breed Norwegian Forest Cats and blood type at birth to avoid

> neonatal erythrolysis in the group (and to let future owners know). One

> has to separate the kitten for 12 hrs if there is incompatibility, and

> after that kittens can not absorb colostrum and can go back to mom. Cats

> produce colostrum in all milk, not just the first milk by the way :-)

>

> I wonder if D'Adamo wants new hobby - figuring out compatible food for

> cats? My type B cats eat practically anything (tend to steal fruit cake,

> curry, chilli peppers, seaweed, etc with no upsets) and especially love

> spicy food, never get gastric problems. As I only have one AB cat it's

> hard to make any assumptions - her mother was a homozygous B, her father

> A carrying B.

> As far as I know she can eat what she likes, but I don't experiment so

> don't really know.

>

> Namaste,

> Irene

> --

> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

> P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

> www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

> Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

>

[Guest guest]

My son is schooled at home and in 5th grade science we did a

genetics/heredity/inherited

trait class (two weeks ago) and made a blue/brown eye Punnett square and used a

blood

type Punnett square on the web. Fun! It's true, two O's, like my own parents,

can only

produce an O.

Here's the link:

http://www.biology.arizona.edu/Human_Bio/problem_sets/blood_types/

inherited.html#calculator

>

> > No, not necessairly. I am a Biology major and I can say that as far

> a blood type goes, it it not the case. They probabally are type O but

> it is not engraved in stone.>

>

> Okay let's put a stop to the silliness.

> First you need a new biology teacher.

> It IS indeed engraved in stone that two O parents can ONLY produce O

> children.

> As a biology major YOU should know that, with O being recessive!!!

> As a molecular genetics M.Sc, with a book on genetics published, I'm

> sure of it, but I was sure of it in high school genetics class too. When

> the only genes present are for O, they can NOT make anything else no

> matter which weird way you combine them, including every genetic " 1 in a

> billion " anomaly you can think up!

>

> And in my opinion - it is nasty to confuse such a simple matter for

> the person who may waste hundreds of dollars on tests because you are

> playing cruel games with them for what looks to me like egotistical

> reasons - you sure have not checked this simple genetics out at all!!

> O is recessive - there are ZERO carried genes to play with! Not even for

> chimeras! Nothing but O is possible when all you start with, hidden or

> visible, is O.

>

> Two O parents will ONLY have O kids. Period.

>

> Namaste,

> Irene

> --

> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

> P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

> www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

> Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

>

[Guest guest]

Eye color actually isn't as straight-forward as blood type...exceptions are

much more common as more genes are involved. But for the 5th grade level,

that's not important ;-)

Now, if your daughter-in-law has a brown-eyed child even though she and your

son are green/blue/or hazel, then it is important to know that it's totally

possible ;D My husband and I were blond children, though a bit darker now,

with hazel eyes, and our first son has dark brown eyes and quite dark hair.

Our second son is keeping his blue eyes so far, though his hair is even

darker than the first. They both look like both of us in all other aspects.

Their blood types don't take exception with ours though!

Re: DH tested

My son is schooled at home and in 5th grade science we did a

genetics/heredity/inherited

trait class (two weeks ago) and made a blue/brown eye Punnett square and

used a blood

type Punnett square on the web. Fun! It's true, two O's, like my own

parents, can only

produce an O.

Here's the link:

http://www.biology.arizona.edu/Human_Bio/problem_sets/blood_types/

inherited.html#calculator

>

> > No, not necessairly. I am a Biology major and I can say that as far

> a blood type goes, it it not the case. They probabally are type O but

> it is not engraved in stone.>

>

> Okay let's put a stop to the silliness.

> First you need a new biology teacher.

> It IS indeed engraved in stone that two O parents can ONLY produce O

> children.

> As a biology major YOU should know that, with O being recessive!!!

> As a molecular genetics M.Sc, with a book on genetics published, I'm

> sure of it, but I was sure of it in high school genetics class too. When

> the only genes present are for O, they can NOT make anything else no

> matter which weird way you combine them, including every genetic " 1 in a

> billion " anomaly you can think up!

>

> And in my opinion - it is nasty to confuse such a simple matter for

> the person who may waste hundreds of dollars on tests because you are

> playing cruel games with them for what looks to me like egotistical

> reasons - you sure have not checked this simple genetics out at all!!

> O is recessive - there are ZERO carried genes to play with! Not even for

> chimeras! Nothing but O is possible when all you start with, hidden or

> visible, is O.

>

> Two O parents will ONLY have O kids. Period.

>

> Namaste,

> Irene

> --

> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

> P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

> www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

> Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

>

[Guest guest]

LOL. We just did the brown-brown, brown-blue, blue-blue thing. No hazel thrown

in

there. I think that would be too much for a 5th grader! We did do a survey of

quite a few

people about hitchiker thumb, connected earlobes, toe length, abillity to roll

tongue and

lots of other inherited traits. It was a blast!

> >

> > > No, not necessairly. I am a Biology major and I can say that as far

> > a blood type goes, it it not the case. They probabally are type O but

> > it is not engraved in stone.>

> >

> > Okay let's put a stop to the silliness.

> > First you need a new biology teacher.

> > It IS indeed engraved in stone that two O parents can ONLY produce O

> > children.

> > As a biology major YOU should know that, with O being recessive!!!

> > As a molecular genetics M.Sc, with a book on genetics published, I'm

> > sure of it, but I was sure of it in high school genetics class too. When

> > the only genes present are for O, they can NOT make anything else no

> > matter which weird way you combine them, including every genetic " 1 in a

> > billion " anomaly you can think up!

> >

> > And in my opinion - it is nasty to confuse such a simple matter for

> > the person who may waste hundreds of dollars on tests because you are

> > playing cruel games with them for what looks to me like egotistical

> > reasons - you sure have not checked this simple genetics out at all!!

> > O is recessive - there are ZERO carried genes to play with! Not even for

> > chimeras! Nothing but O is possible when all you start with, hidden or

> > visible, is O.

> >

> > Two O parents will ONLY have O kids. Period.

> >

> > Namaste,

> > Irene

> > --

> > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

> > P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

> > www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

> > Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well I suppose it is understood that I wasn't the first. I probabally would

have not taken it the way I did if that reply would have been BEFORE I sent out

my retraction. I wasn't trying to play " cruel games " But it is history now I am

glad to get all the emails rolling again. AND I don't hold grudges so maybe I

will not die of stress afterall LOL>>>>

Maddviking@... wrote: In a message dated 3/20/2006 8:58:35 PM Eastern

Standard Time,

tasdlocke@... writes:

If I have any questions, I will think twice before asking this group and I

hope that I didn't cause too much trouble

So, this is to punish us because you got handed your head for some faulty

advice you gave (even you admitted it was faulty)? Hey, you're punishing

yourself because there is a lot of knowledge on this website. We've all been

handed

our heads here for one thing or another because there's always new stuff

coming out. This is a group of people trying to help other people get healthy

not

spare their feelings. Everyone has a button and mine is that I have no

sympathy for people who come on here and try to justify eating foods that are

bad

for them and trying to get me to agree with them. Irene's button is someone

dispensing faulty health advice. Her head handing usually involves nuclear

tipped sentences and can piss people off; me included. I realize, however, that

she is a plain speaker but at the end of the day we want the correct answer not

the feel good ambiguous maybe's that got us here to start with. Everyone has

knowledge regardless of their background. Throw it out there and see what

others think. I would rather be corrected than labor under wrong information.

[Guest guest]

Max, you are always so good at getting to the point.

And while I'm here I love your quirky sense of humor. Laughter is good.

Kathy

Maddviking@... wrote:

In a message dated 3/20/2006 8:58:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,

tasdlocke@... writes:

If I have any questions, I will think twice before asking this group and I

hope that I didn't cause too much trouble

So, this is to punish us because you got handed your head for some faulty

advice you gave (even you admitted it was faulty)? Hey, you're punishing

yourself because there is a lot of knowledge on this website. We've all been

handed

our heads here for one thing or another because there's always new stuff

coming out. This is a group of people trying to help other people get healthy

not

spare their feelings. Everyone has a button and mine is that I have no

sympathy for people who come on here and try to justify eating foods that are

bad

for them and trying to get me to agree with them. Irene's button is someone

dispensing faulty health advice. Her head handing usually involves nuclear

tipped sentences and can piss people off; me included. I realize, however, that

she is a plain speaker but at the end of the day we want the correct answer not

the feel good ambiguous maybe's that got us here to start with. Everyone has

knowledge regardless of their background. Throw it out there and see what

others think. I would rather be corrected than labor under wrong information.

[Guest guest]

danielle locke wrote:

> Well I suppose it is understood that I wasn't the first. I

probabally would have not taken it the way I did if that reply would

have been BEFORE I sent out my retraction.>

It was before. (What retraction?)

You forget - you sending a retraction (which I've yet to see) - and the

other person seeing it - is two separate events. Emails are replied to

in order received over here:-)

My button against experts giving wrong advice got pushed (as Max implied).

If someone else had said to believe them because *they* were an expert

on the subject and then gave *you* bad info to cost you money, time and

trauma to your kids - I'd have been equally quick to object. (To your

benefit).

It wasn't personal against whoever wrote it so much as a defence for the

person who would be wronged by the bad advice..... and sorry but I do

consider it egotistical to claim expertise when from the " advice " given

it was obvious the expert did NOT know their stuff! In my opinion,

experts SHOULD know or check their info or they should be silent till

they do!

As Max implied - I have a button about false health info from someone

claiming to be an expert.

Worse - I have 2 buttons and you pushed both:

I'll stand behind, explain or correct etc - my true intentions any day

but if you want me to really explode, then twist my words to imply my

true intentions were some other way than they really were:-)

>> I wasn't trying to play " cruel games "

Hey - at the time, you were claiming expertise you did not have in order

to induce someone to do something expensive, risky and unwise with their

kids. I dunno what you call that. I did/do consider that a cruel game. I

don't think I had bad judgement on that either - maybe I could have been

kinder in my method of criticism (sorry I am not good at that) - but

what you did was indeed wrong - and the criticism itself was valid:-))

If you since retracted it that's great - I missed that, I take your word

it was retracted.

> AND I don't hold grudges

Nor me. They never helped anyone:-))

Maybe we know/respect each other better as a result?

People's true intentions really matter do they not? I am sorry you took

it so personally - I was thinking only of the victim of the false advice

when I wrote. I've been a victim too often from false " expert " advice,

and my being a geneticist in this case too, didn't help:-)

Pax?

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

I enjoyed your reply. Thank you...Nevertheless, I have met some of my best

friends this way..Thanks Irene.. I wonder what ever happened to that reply too.

I will look in my sent items to make sure I am not hallucinating.

Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote: danielle locke wrote:

> Well I suppose it is understood that I wasn't the first. I

probabally would have not taken it the way I did if that reply would

have been BEFORE I sent out my retraction.>

It was before. (What retraction?)

You forget - you sending a retraction (which I've yet to see) - and the

other person seeing it - is two separate events. Emails are replied to

in order received over here:-)

My button against experts giving wrong advice got pushed (as Max implied).

If someone else had said to believe them because *they* were an expert

on the subject and then gave *you* bad info to cost you money, time and

trauma to your kids - I'd have been equally quick to object. (To your

benefit).

It wasn't personal against whoever wrote it so much as a defence for the

person who would be wronged by the bad advice..... and sorry but I do

consider it egotistical to claim expertise when from the " advice " given

it was obvious the expert did NOT know their stuff! In my opinion,

experts SHOULD know or check their info or they should be silent till

they do!

As Max implied - I have a button about false health info from someone

claiming to be an expert.

Worse - I have 2 buttons and you pushed both:

I'll stand behind, explain or correct etc - my true intentions any day

but if you want me to really explode, then twist my words to imply my

true intentions were some other way than they really were:-)

>> I wasn't trying to play " cruel games "

Hey - at the time, you were claiming expertise you did not have in order

to induce someone to do something expensive, risky and unwise with their

kids. I dunno what you call that. I did/do consider that a cruel game. I

don't think I had bad judgement on that either - maybe I could have been

kinder in my method of criticism (sorry I am not good at that) - but

what you did was indeed wrong - and the criticism itself was valid:-))

If you since retracted it that's great - I missed that, I take your word

it was retracted.

> AND I don't hold grudges

Nor me. They never helped anyone:-))

Maybe we know/respect each other better as a result?

People's true intentions really matter do they not? I am sorry you took

it so personally - I was thinking only of the victim of the false advice

when I wrote. I've been a victim too often from false " expert " advice,

and my being a geneticist in this case too, didn't help:-)

Pax?

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

FOUND IT.... Here was my retraction.. I dont even know if it made it out. Some

of my other sent emails did not go according to the recipient but it looks like

i sent it sunday.

Note: forwarded message attached.

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[Guest guest]

She did write one. I've had to go to the board to find some that didn't show up

on my e-mail and I've had some show up the day after I posted them. still

hasn't gotten that completely straightened out yet.

That's why I thought you're message was just for me.

Re: DH tested

danielle locke wrote:

> Well I suppose it is understood that I wasn't the first. I

probabally would have not taken it the way I did if that reply would

have been BEFORE I sent out my retraction.>

It was before. (What retraction?)

You forget - you sending a retraction (which I've yet to see) - and the

other person seeing it - is two separate events. Emails are replied to

in order received over here:-)

My button against experts giving wrong advice got pushed (as Max implied).

If someone else had said to believe them because *they* were an expert

on the subject and then gave *you* bad info to cost you money, time and

trauma to your kids - I'd have been equally quick to object. (To your

benefit).

It wasn't personal against whoever wrote it so much as a defence for the

person who would be wronged by the bad advice..... and sorry but I do

consider it egotistical to claim expertise when from the " advice " given

it was obvious the expert did NOT know their stuff! In my opinion,

experts SHOULD know or check their info or they should be silent till

they do!

As Max implied - I have a button about false health info from someone

claiming to be an expert.

Worse - I have 2 buttons and you pushed both:

I'll stand behind, explain or correct etc - my true intentions any day

but if you want me to really explode, then twist my words to imply my

true intentions were some other way than they really were:-)

>> I wasn't trying to play " cruel games "

Hey - at the time, you were claiming expertise you did not have in order

to induce someone to do something expensive, risky and unwise with their

kids. I dunno what you call that. I did/do consider that a cruel game. I

don't think I had bad judgement on that either - maybe I could have been

kinder in my method of criticism (sorry I am not good at that) - but

what you did was indeed wrong - and the criticism itself was valid:-))

If you since retracted it that's great - I missed that, I take your word

it was retracted.

> AND I don't hold grudges

Nor me. They never helped anyone:-))

Maybe we know/respect each other better as a result?

People's true intentions really matter do they not? I am sorry you took

it so personally - I was thinking only of the victim of the false advice

when I wrote. I've been a victim too often from false " expert " advice,

and my being a geneticist in this case too, didn't help:-)

Pax?

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.