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Yes, you *are* lucky, and I'm jealous!

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From: Fritcher

Did a blood type test on DH tonight. We already knew I was O+, and his

test showed that he's O+ too. Which means the kids are also O's. Did I

luck out or what?

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Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if you

guys are both O...

Fritcher <CarbJunky@...> wrote:

Did a blood type test on DH tonight. We already knew I was O+, and his

test showed that he's O+ too. Which means the kids are also O's. Did I

luck out or what? Also, going on vacation to my Mom's for a couple of

months and she and my brother are also O's who are more than happy to

eat this way, at least while I'm there.

Just have to convince DH to give up the coffee & ice cream...

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No they can't.

On 3/18/06, danielle locke <tasdlocke@...> wrote:

>

> Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if

> you guys are both O...

>

> Fritcher <CarbJunky@...> wrote:

> Did a blood type test on DH tonight. We already knew I was O+, and his

> test showed that he's O+ too. Which means the kids are also O's. Did I

> luck out or what? Also, going on vacation to my Mom's for a couple of

> months and she and my brother are also O's who are more than happy to

> eat this way, at least while I'm there.

>

> Just have to convince DH to give up the coffee & ice cream...

>

>

>

>

>

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>>Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if you

guys are both O...

**This is not my understanding of how it works - from what I know, if both

parents are 'O's then all kids will be 'O's.

Can you explain your undersatanding of it please.

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In a message dated 3/18/2006 8:05:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,

tasdlocke@... writes:

Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if you

guys are both O...

Now I'm confused again. I thought that two Os make Os.

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" Ditto " children from both O parents = " 0 "

~~~~~~~~~~~

**This is not my understanding of how it works - from what I know, if

both parents are 'O's then all kids will be 'O's. Can you explain your

undersatanding of it please.

:o)

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In a message dated 3/18/2006 11:05:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

mtnmusicmama@... writes:

For your kids to be something other

than an O, either you or your husband would have to be a Chimarra,

meaning that you would have two sets of DNA as a result of the fusing

of two fertilized eggs shortly after conception.

There is a very remote probability that a woman can make herself pregnant too

if she has both genes so don't wear your dockers over your Levis. Isn't a

chimarra a very very rare occurrence?

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danielle locke wrote:

> Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if you

guys are both O...

>

I thought that wasn't possible. I was waiting to see what he was because

I thought that if he was O and I'm O that the kids would be O too.

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> > Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than

O...even if you guys are both O...

> >

> I thought that wasn't possible. I was waiting to see what he was

because

> I thought that if he was O and I'm O that the kids would be O too.

>

>

>

It is possible but not probable. For your kids to be something other

than an O, either you or your husband would have to be a Chimarra,

meaning that you would have two sets of DNA as a result of the fusing

of two fertilized eggs shortly after conception. (The opposite of

twinning.) And then, your ovaries or testes would have to be from

one egg and your blood from the other. Possible, but HIGHLY

unlikely HIGHLY! I think it's a safe assumption that your children

are O's. I'd only test if one of them didn't seem to be doing well

on the diet or if they needed to be given blood during surgery or

something.

What I wouldn't give to have the same bloodtype as my husband and

children!! You lucky duck!

-Robin

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No, not necessairly. I am a Biology major and I can say that as far a blood

type goes, it it not the case. They probabally are type O but it is not

engraved in stone. I would feed them the way you eat anyway if they are under 10

yrs old because it won't make much difference from what i have learned at the

homeopathic store in my area. They are blood type fanatics.

Fritcher <CarbJunky@...> wrote:

danielle locke wrote:

> Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if you

guys are both O...

>

I thought that wasn't possible. I was waiting to see what he was because

I thought that if he was O and I'm O that the kids would be O too.

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Just remember he will probably have a headache for a ehile if he is getting off

of regular coffee.

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linnsmama wrote:

> What I wouldn't give to have the same bloodtype as my husband and

> children!! You lucky duck!

> -Robin

>

And don't I know it. My biggest challenge is going to be fighting for

compliance from the other members of my family. Try explaining this to a

6 year old. LOL. Or a 30 year old for that matter. I'm hoping I'll have

such good results while I'm at my Mom's that my DH will be intrigued

enough to do it with me. I can cook HB and N, but I can't make him avoid

while out and about. Though, I won't buy any for home anymore. He'll

have to really want it to go out and get it for himself. :)

Next appointments for my kids - in May for check ups for both - I'll ask

them to do blood type testing. Just to be certain. :)

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linnsmama wrote:

> It is possible but not probable. For your kids to be something other

> than an O, either you or your husband would have to be a Chimarra,

He that's a far-fetched idea! You'd have to have a specific

implementation of chimera too with sex cells one genotype and blood

cells all another.

It's so unlikely it's not worth considering.

> What I wouldn't give to have the same bloodtype as my husband and

> children!! You lucky duck!

Yes I agree. My son and his family are all the same, as he and his wife

are both O-neg nonsecretor like me! All the recessives in one pool:-)

Talk about a high protein meat eating bunch! And the wife was really

sickly when he met her as she'd decided to be vegetarian - luckily she

learned how to feel healthy by eating meat :-)

Now I have to figure how to feed my cat family each what they need. I

have a VERY unusual situation in that I have all three blood groups in

the household for cats - and there is no research D'Adamo style on cats

as far as I can tell - I just know from experience they do not all do

well on the same food!

Cat blood type note for anyone interested:

Most cats are type A and it's no hassle. A few are type B. A is dominant

over B, so two A cats can have a B kitten, not vice versa. Blood

transfusions can be deadly in cats if not typed.

There's also a type AB but it is not at all related to type A or B -

it's completely separate (badly named, should be called pq for peculiar

or something) but it is extremely rare in cats and with the blood type

kits you get no response to A or B antigens. Inheritance is not fully

understood yet for AB.

I breed Norwegian Forest Cats and blood type at birth to avoid

neonatal erythrolysis in the group (and to let future owners know). One

has to separate the kitten for 12 hrs if there is incompatibility, and

after that kittens can not absorb colostrum and can go back to mom. Cats

produce colostrum in all milk, not just the first milk by the way :-)

I wonder if D'Adamo wants new hobby - figuring out compatible food for

cats? My type B cats eat practically anything (tend to steal fruit cake,

curry, chilli peppers, seaweed, etc with no upsets) and especially love

spicy food, never get gastric problems. As I only have one AB cat it's

hard to make any assumptions - her mother was a homozygous B, her father

A carrying B.

As far as I know she can eat what she likes, but I don't experiment so

don't really know.

Namaste,

Irene

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Maddviking@... wrote:

>

> When I got my cholesterol checked, I argued with the nurse over what was the

right diet. When my results came back (122), she said I should still avoid red

meat and fat. You can't blast your way through that!

>

DH has high BP, high cholesterol and some C-Peptide thing, he's IR and

pre-diabetic. I'm really hoping that eating compliant-O for a few months

will allow him to go back to the doctor and get fabulous test results.

I'm also certain that he'll sleep better and have more energy. For a

young man in college, working full time with a wife and two kids - one

of them a baby and a new house - he's stretched thin.

Need to find out the secretor status of everyone in our family at some

point too. Is there a test I can request at the doctor's office during

the normal course of blood tests that will tell secretor status?

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Maddviking@... wrote:

> There are worse avoids. Dairy products don't really bother me but they don't

help either. Try to get him to drink black and/or green tea for two weeks and

then try a cup of coffee. He will be amazed. I know that black tea is an avoid

but only because it contains molds. It contains more caffeine than green tea,

which is what he is craving. The coffee after two weeks will make him sick. He

can't cheat though. One cup and the two weeks starts over. I drank coffee for

years and was absolutely amazed at how sick it was making me.

>

He happens to like green tea. Just not sure if he's willing to give up

the coffee. Him and Starbuck's have a relationship going. LOL. I

realized a couple of days ago that I can't do coffee anymore. I had a

bad reaction to some. Hadn't had any for nearly 2 weeks (our coffee pot

was packed and Starbuck's isn't so close in our new house) then I had a

large coffee drink. OMG. Still paying for it. I think not drinking the

coffee for the last 2 weeks is one of the reasons I was able to stop

taking my blood pressure meds. Now I feel like I need them again, and I

know it's just carryover from that damn coffee.

I know there are worse avoids, definitely. All of them I am sure will be

a battle to eliminate.

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You can ask but don't be surprised if they won't test the kids. And if they

say they will, be careful, usually VERY expensive. Insurance usually won't

cover the expense because it is not necessary,

Fritcher <CarbJunky@...> wrote:

Next appointments for my kids - in May for check ups for both - I'll ask

them to do blood type testing. Just to be certain. :)

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I hate biology now...... Just Kidding.

Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote:

danielle locke wrote:

> Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if you

guys are both O...

No that's not true - they can only be O.

there are no A or B genes to hand down:-)

Type A, or B can have O kids, but not vice versa:-)

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You can order the blood test from dr.dadamo's site. I think it is around 50.00

and you can do it yourself at home.

danielle locke <tasdlocke@...> wrote: I hate biology now...... Just

Kidding.

Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote:

danielle locke wrote:

> Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if you

guys are both O...

No that's not true - they can only be O.

there are no A or B genes to hand down:-)

Type A, or B can have O kids, but not vice versa:-)

Namaste,

Irene

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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

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You can get a home blood typing test from www.dadamo.com for $11.95. It is a

simple test. The secretor test has gone up to $47.95.

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You can ask but don't be surprised if they won't test the kids. And if they

say they will, be careful, usually VERY expensive. Insurance usually won't

cover the expense because it is not necessary,

Fritcher <CarbJunky@...> wrote:

Next appointments for my kids - in May for check ups for both - I'll ask

them to do blood type testing. Just to be certain. :)

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> Isn't a

> chimarra a very very rare occurrence?

>

There hasn't been much research into it because it is believed to have

very few medical implications. I learned about it from a report on NPR

about a woman who was determined to be a chimarra from tests related to

trying to find a kidney donor and I have been unable to find much more

on it. It could be rare or as common as twinning. Most research on

chimarrism right now is centering on the fact that organ recipients are

having the donor's dna turn up in other places in their body.

Anyway, my point was that although it's possible that the children are

not O's, it's very very unlikely. I'd bet money on them being O's.

Lucky family!

-Robin

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Since when wasn't all of life subject to change? I'm not sure I know of many

hard and fast rules that in one way or another don't have some at least minor

exceptions.

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In a message dated 3/18/2006 8:05:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,

tasdlocke@... writes:

Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if you

guys are both O...

Now I'm confused again. I thought that two Os make Os.

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Okay, I just got out my textbook from anatomy & Physiology. There is a chart in

it that gives all possible blood types that offspring (children) can have

depending on the parents blood type. It clearly states that if both parents are

O the children will only be O. So dont waste any money on testing if both

parents are O.

linnsmama <mtnmusicmama@...> wrote:

> Isn't a

> chimarra a very very rare occurrence?

>

There hasn't been much research into it because it is believed to have

very few medical implications. I learned about it from a report on NPR

about a woman who was determined to be a chimarra from tests related to

trying to find a kidney donor and I have been unable to find much more

on it. It could be rare or as common as twinning. Most research on

chimarrism right now is centering on the fact that organ recipients are

having the donor's dna turn up in other places in their body.

Anyway, my point was that although it's possible that the children are

not O's, it's very very unlikely. I'd bet money on them being O's.

Lucky family!

-Robin

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linnsmama wrote:

> There hasn't been much research into it because it is believed to have

> very few medical implications. I learned about it from a report on NPR

> about a woman who was determined to be a chimarra from tests related to

> trying to find a kidney donor and I have been unable to find much more

> on it. It could be rare or as common as twinning.

I believe it is an extremely rare event. the reason I think this is that

I've studied it in cats - or tried to! Cats are unique in that they can

have about 31 different colour/pattern combinations before you consider

the rare colours. Yet the colours can only occur in specific

combinations - so that a chimera is easier to pick up in cats just by

looking. Certainly one can expect some to go unnoticed by being

" genetically possible " colours, but there are so many impossible colours

- and the generation time in cats is so fast, also with multiple births

- that finding a chimera is a whole lot easier to do. Or it would be if

there were any chimeras to find.

I tried really hard but by the time I wrote my cat genetics book in

1994, I could find not one! Eventually in 1996 (wouldn't ya know!)

there's a cat kicked out of a show right here in WA state (I'd looked

world-wide in all pedigree databases etc), a cat with a long and well

respected Main Coon pedigree ( Solkatz Pretty Boy Floid, a pedigree

Maine Coon, born Nov 1996 in Bremerton, WA) arrived wearing true

American red white and blue tabby - not possible in cats:-)))

Except as a chimera:-) He's a red tabby and white plus a blue tabby and

white. (Many cat breeders assumed him a male tortie which is not the

case and still would be an impossible colour combo. Tehre's also a

somatic mutation in cats which causes some red and white cats to have

black areas, but that also is separate. Floid was indeed proved a

chimera; none of the other " male tortie " types were proved such that I

could find. The colour distribution on male torties is differnt anyway,

and they are a lot more common.)

There's a not so good photo here of Floid (not good as the photo's

darker black-stripe-looking areas are actually pale blue-grey stiped

areas in the actual cat):

http://www.trutails.com/Ancestors/pages/Floid_jpg.htm and here:

http://tortietom.nidoba.nl/tortietn.html (scroll down a bit)

His kittens all got the " red tabby and white " cat and not the " blue

tabby and white cat " part of him - so his reprodcutive parts were

obviously red tabby and white only. Grr! So soon after the book came

out:-)) There were no others in that line - or any other place I could find.

I dunno what physical mechanism causes two egg cells to merge into a

chimera - but I have to think it is an extremely rare situation indeed,

compared with say splitting an eggcell in two to make identical twins.

> Most research on

> chimarrism right now is centering on the fact that organ recipients are

> having the donor's dna turn up in other places in their body.

Thus is not a true chimera issue though. Microchimerism is the exchange

of cell material during pregnancy between fetus and mother - and/or the

exchange between fraternal or identical twins of stem cell material

(common in cow twinss for eample) that is then microchimera material and

is a normal event. It is separate from forming a complete chimera by

fusing two egg cells so as to have two people fused into one - some

parts with one set of DNA and other parts with other DNA. All transplant

tissue is microchimera tissue - and it will migrate to other places

besides where the transplant is put. But microchimera tissue is a

separate issue from true chimeras from a fused pair of egg cells. Point

is microchimeras are commonplace - the true chimera is not.

> Anyway, my point was that although it's possible that the children are

> not O's, it's very very unlikely. I'd bet money on them being O's.

I reckon there's a better chance of winning a few hundred million bucks

in a lottery than finding those kids other than O:-)

Namaste,

Irene

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Maddviking@... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/18/2006 8:05:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> tasdlocke@... writes:

> Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if you

> guys are both O...

>

> Now I'm confused again. I thought that two Os make Os.

You are right - Two O's can only have O's:-) They can not even have a

chimera that's not O:-)

Namaste,

Irene

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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

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danielle locke wrote:

> No, not necessairly. I am a Biology major and I can say that as far

a blood type goes, it it not the case. They probabally are type O but

it is not engraved in stone.>

Okay let's put a stop to the silliness.

First you need a new biology teacher.

It IS indeed engraved in stone that two O parents can ONLY produce O

children.

As a biology major YOU should know that, with O being recessive!!!

As a molecular genetics M.Sc, with a book on genetics published, I'm

sure of it, but I was sure of it in high school genetics class too. When

the only genes present are for O, they can NOT make anything else no

matter which weird way you combine them, including every genetic " 1 in a

billion " anomaly you can think up!

And in my opinion - it is nasty to confuse such a simple matter for

the person who may waste hundreds of dollars on tests because you are

playing cruel games with them for what looks to me like egotistical

reasons - you sure have not checked this simple genetics out at all!!

O is recessive - there are ZERO carried genes to play with! Not even for

chimeras! Nothing but O is possible when all you start with, hidden or

visible, is O.

Two O parents will ONLY have O kids. Period.

Namaste,

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Murray wrote:

> Since when wasn't all of life subject to change? I'm not sure I know

of many hard and fast rules that in one way or another don't have some

at least minor exceptions.

>

,

Life changes according to a set of rules - not randomly :-)) The

universe is full of hard and fast rules - everything from gravity to

sunshine is predictable and all forms of life are determined by the

genes in the nucleus of their cells - half from each parent according to

set rules of genetics - including the rules for weird oddball

occurrences like chimeras - all by rules. Those rules apply to plants,

insects, snakes, cats, fish, tadpoles, fungus, bacteria, prions, monkeys

and people and anything else " alive " .

And to suggest on this list that someone's children may be mutant new

forms of human all of a sudden - is inappropriate.

The changes to produce a new species of human take place slowly

over thousands or millions of years - not overnight:-) And a mutation of

a new blood type is NOT going to happen in this person's children. The

ABO blood group genes and their rules are here today and will be the

same tomorrow.

The conditions for a mutation are NOT met here. There's no Chernobyl

next door to the list member to accelerate mutation rate for example,

and even if there was, a mutation is rare - and even if it occurred, it

would not likely be a blood type mutation.

Mutation also works within set and predictable rules. There's

nothing random about the mechanisms - it all works in a logical and

intelligent way:-)

Life was not thrown together by mistake - it was designed - very well,

as is evident the more one investigates its pretty magnificent structure

:-))

Namaste,

Irene

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