Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 So recessive A's on both sides of the O families would not make an A child? Re: DH tested Murray wrote: > Since when wasn't all of life subject to change? I'm not sure I know of many hard and fast rules that in one way or another don't have some at least minor exceptions. > , Life changes according to a set of rules - not randomly :-)) The universe is full of hard and fast rules - everything from gravity to sunshine is predictable and all forms of life are determined by the genes in the nucleus of their cells - half from each parent according to set rules of genetics - including the rules for weird oddball occurrences like chimeras - all by rules. Those rules apply to plants, insects, snakes, cats, fish, tadpoles, fungus, bacteria, prions, monkeys and people and anything else " alive " . And to suggest on this list that someone's children may be mutant new forms of human all of a sudden - is inappropriate. The changes to produce a new species of human take place slowly over thousands or millions of years - not overnight:-) And a mutation of a new blood type is NOT going to happen in this person's children. The ABO blood group genes and their rules are here today and will be the same tomorrow. The conditions for a mutation are NOT met here. There's no Chernobyl next door to the list member to accelerate mutation rate for example, and even if there was, a mutation is rare - and even if it occurred, it would not likely be a blood type mutation. Mutation also works within set and predictable rules. There's nothing random about the mechanisms - it all works in a logical and intelligent way:-) Life was not thrown together by mistake - it was designed - very well, as is evident the more one investigates its pretty magnificent structure :-)) Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 No, because the O parents only have O genes, regardless of the grandparent's genes. O is the recessive. Re: DH tested So recessive A's on both sides of the O families would not make an A child? ----- Original Message ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Murray wrote: > So recessive A's on both sides of the O families would not make an A child? > No , because there is no such thing as an A gene recessive to O. The O is the recessive allele here, which means BOTH genes in a person with type O blood (the visible one that's active and the invisible one that is there but not active) are BOTH O genes in a type O individual. A is dominant and can hide an O, (same with but not the other way round:-)) O can not hide any other genotype, it is homozygous recessive. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 danielle locke <tasdlocke@...> wrote: Irene, I am sending this email directly to your email because what I would like to say is between us unlike your reply when you called me egotistical and cruel. Number one you are a little late, I ALREADY sent an email out IMMEDIATELY after discovering my mistake. Number 2 it was a mistake I should have said that I was a biology student nevertheless biology student majoring in biology.. NOT an expert, I even said in my reply not to waste any money on testing. As far as egotistical, that was a bit uncalled for especially since you did not send it directly to me. I guess you like calling people on the carpet publicly. I am having a lot of health problems myself just being 31 recovering from cancer and 3 surgeries so maybe I got something a bit confused in Biology class and as far as high school, I did not take biology in high school, I took Marine Biology...So maybe I should not have been SO quick to reply in re to blood type but I was just as fast to make my correction. I am not egotistical and to be honest with you, I could be over reacting but as I sit here in my Katrina ravaged community trying to get healthy at least healthy enough to be physically fit enough to swim or save my life and children's life or better yet survive in an attic over a hundred degrees for hours, and someone with much more knowledge so condescendingly calls me egotistical and nasty, rather than using their professional training or published material to inform me in a constructive way doesn't impress me. So pardon me...If I have any questions, I will think twice before asking this group and I hope that I didn't cause too much trouble Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote: danielle locke wrote: > No, not necessarily. I am a Biology major and I can say that as far a blood type goes, it it not the case. They probably are type O but it is not engraved in stone.> Okay let's put a stop to the silliness. First you need a new biology teacher. It IS indeed engraved in stone that two O parents can ONLY produce O children. As a biology major YOU should know that, with O being recessive!!! As a molecular genetics M.Sc, with a book on genetics published, I'm sure of it, but I was sure of it in high school genetics class too. When the only genes present are for O, they can NOT make anything else no matter which weird way you combine them, including every genetic " 1 in a billion " anomaly you can think up! And in my opinion - it is nasty to confuse such a simple matter for the person who may waste hundreds of dollars on tests because you are playing cruel games with them for what looks to me like egotistical reasons - you sure have not checked this simple genetics out at all!! O is recessive - there are ZERO carried genes to play with! Not even for chimeras! Nothing but O is possible when all you start with, hidden or visible, is O. Two O parents will ONLY have O kids. Period. Master, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 GET Real... You sound like you got half of this from a new age spirituality book. I made an apology and you are so damn egotistical you could not even see that. And for anyone else who reads this since I don't have permission to email direct, You will find that I made a mistake and an apology to go along with it. I thought this was a group that helped each other but you attack people who were wrong and make accusations in re to their character. I Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote: danielle locke wrote: > Irene, I am sending this email directly to your email because what I > would like to say is between us unlike your reply when you called me > egotistical and cruel. I did not do that. Read my words again. I described an ACTION that was taken - I did not describe a person. An action is not a person, get real! We all do actions that are unwise - that does not make us unwise - only the individual action is unwise. Have a good day. And think of this from the recipient's point of view instead of yours! (It IS egotistical to think only of yours). They are trying to figure out whether to spend hard-earned money or not. I didn't read the rest of your post, you did not have the courtesy to ask if you could write privately; permission is not automatic for unsolicited email you know. Again- think of the other person and not just yourself! Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. --------------------------------- Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Actually le, I thought that answer was sent to me. Sally Re: DH tested danielle locke <tasdlocke@...> wrote: Irene, I am sending this email directly to your email because what I would like to say is between us unlike your reply when you called me egotistical and cruel. Number one you are a little late, I ALREADY sent an email out IMMEDIATELY after discovering my mistake. Number 2 it was a mistake I should have said that I was a biology student nevertheless biology student majoring in biology.. NOT an expert, I even said in my reply not to waste any money on testing. As far as egotistical, that was a bit uncalled for especially since you did not send it directly to me. I guess you like calling people on the carpet publicly. I am having a lot of health problems myself just being 31 recovering from cancer and 3 surgeries so maybe I got something a bit confused in Biology class and as far as high school, I did not take biology in high school, I took Marine Biology...So maybe I should not have been SO quick to reply in re to blood type but I was just as fast to make my correction. I am not egotistical and to be honest with you, I could be over reacting but as I sit here in my Katrina ravaged community trying to get healthy at least healthy enough to be physically fit enough to swim or save my life and children's life or better yet survive in an attic over a hundred degrees for hours, and someone with much more knowledge so condescendingly calls me egotistical and nasty, rather than using their professional training or published material to inform me in a constructive way doesn't impress me. So pardon me...If I have any questions, I will think twice before asking this group and I hope that I didn't cause too much trouble Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote: danielle locke wrote: > No, not necessarily. I am a Biology major and I can say that as far a blood type goes, it it not the case. They probably are type O but it is not engraved in stone.> Okay let's put a stop to the silliness. First you need a new biology teacher. It IS indeed engraved in stone that two O parents can ONLY produce O children. As a biology major YOU should know that, with O being recessive!!! As a molecular genetics M.Sc, with a book on genetics published, I'm sure of it, but I was sure of it in high school genetics class too. When the only genes present are for O, they can NOT make anything else no matter which weird way you combine them, including every genetic " 1 in a billion " anomaly you can think up! And in my opinion - it is nasty to confuse such a simple matter for the person who may waste hundreds of dollars on tests because you are playing cruel games with them for what looks to me like egotistical reasons - you sure have not checked this simple genetics out at all!! O is recessive - there are ZERO carried genes to play with! Not even for chimeras! Nothing but O is possible when all you start with, hidden or visible, is O. Two O parents will ONLY have O kids. Period. Master, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Pardon me, on the last one I sent. I signed, Sally, it's here. I'm called either one, from a habit I got into in college 40 something years ago. Re: DH tested danielle locke <tasdlocke@...> wrote: Irene, I am sending this email directly to your email because what I would like to say is between us unlike your reply when you called me egotistical and cruel. Number one you are a little late, I ALREADY sent an email out IMMEDIATELY after discovering my mistake. Number 2 it was a mistake I should have said that I was a biology student nevertheless biology student majoring in biology.. NOT an expert, I even said in my reply not to waste any money on testing. As far as egotistical, that was a bit uncalled for especially since you did not send it directly to me. I guess you like calling people on the carpet publicly. I am having a lot of health problems myself just being 31 recovering from cancer and 3 surgeries so maybe I got something a bit confused in Biology class and as far as high school, I did not take biology in high school, I took Marine Biology...So maybe I should not have been SO quick to reply in re to blood type but I was just as fast to make my correction. I am not egotistical and to be honest with you, I could be over reacting but as I sit here in my Katrina ravaged community trying to get healthy at least healthy enough to be physically fit enough to swim or save my life and children's life or better yet survive in an attic over a hundred degrees for hours, and someone with much more knowledge so condescendingly calls me egotistical and nasty, rather than using their professional training or published material to inform me in a constructive way doesn't impress me. So pardon me...If I have any questions, I will think twice before asking this group and I hope that I didn't cause too much trouble Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote: danielle locke wrote: > No, not necessarily. I am a Biology major and I can say that as far a blood type goes, it it not the case. They probably are type O but it is not engraved in stone.> Okay let's put a stop to the silliness. First you need a new biology teacher. It IS indeed engraved in stone that two O parents can ONLY produce O children. As a biology major YOU should know that, with O being recessive!!! As a molecular genetics M.Sc, with a book on genetics published, I'm sure of it, but I was sure of it in high school genetics class too. When the only genes present are for O, they can NOT make anything else no matter which weird way you combine them, including every genetic " 1 in a billion " anomaly you can think up! And in my opinion - it is nasty to confuse such a simple matter for the person who may waste hundreds of dollars on tests because you are playing cruel games with them for what looks to me like egotistical reasons - you sure have not checked this simple genetics out at all!! O is recessive - there are ZERO carried genes to play with! Not even for chimeras! Nothing but O is possible when all you start with, hidden or visible, is O. Two O parents will ONLY have O kids. Period. Master, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 danielle locke wrote: > GET Real... You sound like you got half of this from a new age spirituality book. I made an apology and you are so damn egotistical you could not even see that. And for anyone else who reads this since I don't have permission to email direct,> You don't have permission to put private emails on the list either. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 In a message dated 3/20/2006 8:58:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, tasdlocke@... writes: If I have any questions, I will think twice before asking this group and I hope that I didn't cause too much trouble So, this is to punish us because you got handed your head for some faulty advice you gave (even you admitted it was faulty)? Hey, you're punishing yourself because there is a lot of knowledge on this website. We've all been handed our heads here for one thing or another because there's always new stuff coming out. This is a group of people trying to help other people get healthy not spare their feelings. Everyone has a button and mine is that I have no sympathy for people who come on here and try to justify eating foods that are bad for them and trying to get me to agree with them. Irene's button is someone dispensing faulty health advice. Her head handing usually involves nuclear tipped sentences and can piss people off; me included. I realize, however, that she is a plain speaker but at the end of the day we want the correct answer not the feel good ambiguous maybe's that got us here to start with. Everyone has knowledge regardless of their background. Throw it out there and see what others think. I would rather be corrected than labor under wrong information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 I've got to tell you, Irene, I just LOVE your posts! So incredibly interesting and funny! > > It is possible but not probable. For your kids to be something other > > than an O, either you or your husband would have to be a Chimarra, > > He that's a far-fetched idea! You'd have to have a specific > implementation of chimera too with sex cells one genotype and blood > cells all another. > It's so unlikely it's not worth considering. > > > What I wouldn't give to have the same bloodtype as my husband and > > children!! You lucky duck! > > Yes I agree. My son and his family are all the same, as he and his wife > are both O-neg nonsecretor like me! All the recessives in one pool:-) > Talk about a high protein meat eating bunch! And the wife was really > sickly when he met her as she'd decided to be vegetarian - luckily she > learned how to feel healthy by eating meat :-) > > Now I have to figure how to feed my cat family each what they need. I > have a VERY unusual situation in that I have all three blood groups in > the household for cats - and there is no research D'Adamo style on cats > as far as I can tell - I just know from experience they do not all do > well on the same food! > > Cat blood type note for anyone interested: > Most cats are type A and it's no hassle. A few are type B. A is dominant > over B, so two A cats can have a B kitten, not vice versa. Blood > transfusions can be deadly in cats if not typed. > There's also a type AB but it is not at all related to type A or B - > it's completely separate (badly named, should be called pq for peculiar > or something) but it is extremely rare in cats and with the blood type > kits you get no response to A or B antigens. Inheritance is not fully > understood yet for AB. > I breed Norwegian Forest Cats and blood type at birth to avoid > neonatal erythrolysis in the group (and to let future owners know). One > has to separate the kitten for 12 hrs if there is incompatibility, and > after that kittens can not absorb colostrum and can go back to mom. Cats > produce colostrum in all milk, not just the first milk by the way :-) > > I wonder if D'Adamo wants new hobby - figuring out compatible food for > cats? My type B cats eat practically anything (tend to steal fruit cake, > curry, chilli peppers, seaweed, etc with no upsets) and especially love > spicy food, never get gastric problems. As I only have one AB cat it's > hard to make any assumptions - her mother was a homozygous B, her father > A carrying B. > As far as I know she can eat what she likes, but I don't experiment so > don't really know. > > Namaste, > Irene > -- > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. > P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. > www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) > Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 My son is schooled at home and in 5th grade science we did a genetics/heredity/inherited trait class (two weeks ago) and made a blue/brown eye Punnett square and used a blood type Punnett square on the web. Fun! It's true, two O's, like my own parents, can only produce an O. Here's the link: http://www.biology.arizona.edu/Human_Bio/problem_sets/blood_types/ inherited.html#calculator > > > No, not necessairly. I am a Biology major and I can say that as far > a blood type goes, it it not the case. They probabally are type O but > it is not engraved in stone.> > > Okay let's put a stop to the silliness. > First you need a new biology teacher. > It IS indeed engraved in stone that two O parents can ONLY produce O > children. > As a biology major YOU should know that, with O being recessive!!! > As a molecular genetics M.Sc, with a book on genetics published, I'm > sure of it, but I was sure of it in high school genetics class too. When > the only genes present are for O, they can NOT make anything else no > matter which weird way you combine them, including every genetic " 1 in a > billion " anomaly you can think up! > > And in my opinion - it is nasty to confuse such a simple matter for > the person who may waste hundreds of dollars on tests because you are > playing cruel games with them for what looks to me like egotistical > reasons - you sure have not checked this simple genetics out at all!! > O is recessive - there are ZERO carried genes to play with! Not even for > chimeras! Nothing but O is possible when all you start with, hidden or > visible, is O. > > Two O parents will ONLY have O kids. Period. > > Namaste, > Irene > -- > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. > P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. > www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) > Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Eye color actually isn't as straight-forward as blood type...exceptions are much more common as more genes are involved. But for the 5th grade level, that's not important ;-) Now, if your daughter-in-law has a brown-eyed child even though she and your son are green/blue/or hazel, then it is important to know that it's totally possible ;D My husband and I were blond children, though a bit darker now, with hazel eyes, and our first son has dark brown eyes and quite dark hair. Our second son is keeping his blue eyes so far, though his hair is even darker than the first. They both look like both of us in all other aspects. Their blood types don't take exception with ours though! Re: DH tested My son is schooled at home and in 5th grade science we did a genetics/heredity/inherited trait class (two weeks ago) and made a blue/brown eye Punnett square and used a blood type Punnett square on the web. Fun! It's true, two O's, like my own parents, can only produce an O. Here's the link: http://www.biology.arizona.edu/Human_Bio/problem_sets/blood_types/ inherited.html#calculator > > > No, not necessairly. I am a Biology major and I can say that as far > a blood type goes, it it not the case. They probabally are type O but > it is not engraved in stone.> > > Okay let's put a stop to the silliness. > First you need a new biology teacher. > It IS indeed engraved in stone that two O parents can ONLY produce O > children. > As a biology major YOU should know that, with O being recessive!!! > As a molecular genetics M.Sc, with a book on genetics published, I'm > sure of it, but I was sure of it in high school genetics class too. When > the only genes present are for O, they can NOT make anything else no > matter which weird way you combine them, including every genetic " 1 in a > billion " anomaly you can think up! > > And in my opinion - it is nasty to confuse such a simple matter for > the person who may waste hundreds of dollars on tests because you are > playing cruel games with them for what looks to me like egotistical > reasons - you sure have not checked this simple genetics out at all!! > O is recessive - there are ZERO carried genes to play with! Not even for > chimeras! Nothing but O is possible when all you start with, hidden or > visible, is O. > > Two O parents will ONLY have O kids. Period. > > Namaste, > Irene > -- > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. > P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. > www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) > Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 LOL. We just did the brown-brown, brown-blue, blue-blue thing. No hazel thrown in there. I think that would be too much for a 5th grader! We did do a survey of quite a few people about hitchiker thumb, connected earlobes, toe length, abillity to roll tongue and lots of other inherited traits. It was a blast! > > > > > No, not necessairly. I am a Biology major and I can say that as far > > a blood type goes, it it not the case. They probabally are type O but > > it is not engraved in stone.> > > > > Okay let's put a stop to the silliness. > > First you need a new biology teacher. > > It IS indeed engraved in stone that two O parents can ONLY produce O > > children. > > As a biology major YOU should know that, with O being recessive!!! > > As a molecular genetics M.Sc, with a book on genetics published, I'm > > sure of it, but I was sure of it in high school genetics class too. When > > the only genes present are for O, they can NOT make anything else no > > matter which weird way you combine them, including every genetic " 1 in a > > billion " anomaly you can think up! > > > > And in my opinion - it is nasty to confuse such a simple matter for > > the person who may waste hundreds of dollars on tests because you are > > playing cruel games with them for what looks to me like egotistical > > reasons - you sure have not checked this simple genetics out at all!! > > O is recessive - there are ZERO carried genes to play with! Not even for > > chimeras! Nothing but O is possible when all you start with, hidden or > > visible, is O. > > > > Two O parents will ONLY have O kids. Period. > > > > Namaste, > > Irene > > -- > > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. > > P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. > > www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) > > Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Well I suppose it is understood that I wasn't the first. I probabally would have not taken it the way I did if that reply would have been BEFORE I sent out my retraction. I wasn't trying to play " cruel games " But it is history now I am glad to get all the emails rolling again. AND I don't hold grudges so maybe I will not die of stress afterall LOL>>>> Maddviking@... wrote: In a message dated 3/20/2006 8:58:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, tasdlocke@... writes: If I have any questions, I will think twice before asking this group and I hope that I didn't cause too much trouble So, this is to punish us because you got handed your head for some faulty advice you gave (even you admitted it was faulty)? Hey, you're punishing yourself because there is a lot of knowledge on this website. We've all been handed our heads here for one thing or another because there's always new stuff coming out. This is a group of people trying to help other people get healthy not spare their feelings. Everyone has a button and mine is that I have no sympathy for people who come on here and try to justify eating foods that are bad for them and trying to get me to agree with them. Irene's button is someone dispensing faulty health advice. Her head handing usually involves nuclear tipped sentences and can piss people off; me included. I realize, however, that she is a plain speaker but at the end of the day we want the correct answer not the feel good ambiguous maybe's that got us here to start with. Everyone has knowledge regardless of their background. Throw it out there and see what others think. I would rather be corrected than labor under wrong information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Max, you are always so good at getting to the point. And while I'm here I love your quirky sense of humor. Laughter is good. Kathy Maddviking@... wrote: In a message dated 3/20/2006 8:58:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, tasdlocke@... writes: If I have any questions, I will think twice before asking this group and I hope that I didn't cause too much trouble So, this is to punish us because you got handed your head for some faulty advice you gave (even you admitted it was faulty)? Hey, you're punishing yourself because there is a lot of knowledge on this website. We've all been handed our heads here for one thing or another because there's always new stuff coming out. This is a group of people trying to help other people get healthy not spare their feelings. Everyone has a button and mine is that I have no sympathy for people who come on here and try to justify eating foods that are bad for them and trying to get me to agree with them. Irene's button is someone dispensing faulty health advice. Her head handing usually involves nuclear tipped sentences and can piss people off; me included. I realize, however, that she is a plain speaker but at the end of the day we want the correct answer not the feel good ambiguous maybe's that got us here to start with. Everyone has knowledge regardless of their background. Throw it out there and see what others think. I would rather be corrected than labor under wrong information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 danielle locke wrote: > Well I suppose it is understood that I wasn't the first. I probabally would have not taken it the way I did if that reply would have been BEFORE I sent out my retraction.> It was before. (What retraction?) You forget - you sending a retraction (which I've yet to see) - and the other person seeing it - is two separate events. Emails are replied to in order received over here:-) My button against experts giving wrong advice got pushed (as Max implied). If someone else had said to believe them because *they* were an expert on the subject and then gave *you* bad info to cost you money, time and trauma to your kids - I'd have been equally quick to object. (To your benefit). It wasn't personal against whoever wrote it so much as a defence for the person who would be wronged by the bad advice..... and sorry but I do consider it egotistical to claim expertise when from the " advice " given it was obvious the expert did NOT know their stuff! In my opinion, experts SHOULD know or check their info or they should be silent till they do! As Max implied - I have a button about false health info from someone claiming to be an expert. Worse - I have 2 buttons and you pushed both: I'll stand behind, explain or correct etc - my true intentions any day but if you want me to really explode, then twist my words to imply my true intentions were some other way than they really were:-) >> I wasn't trying to play " cruel games " Hey - at the time, you were claiming expertise you did not have in order to induce someone to do something expensive, risky and unwise with their kids. I dunno what you call that. I did/do consider that a cruel game. I don't think I had bad judgement on that either - maybe I could have been kinder in my method of criticism (sorry I am not good at that) - but what you did was indeed wrong - and the criticism itself was valid:-)) If you since retracted it that's great - I missed that, I take your word it was retracted. > AND I don't hold grudges Nor me. They never helped anyone:-)) Maybe we know/respect each other better as a result? People's true intentions really matter do they not? I am sorry you took it so personally - I was thinking only of the victim of the false advice when I wrote. I've been a victim too often from false " expert " advice, and my being a geneticist in this case too, didn't help:-) Pax? Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 I enjoyed your reply. Thank you...Nevertheless, I have met some of my best friends this way..Thanks Irene.. I wonder what ever happened to that reply too. I will look in my sent items to make sure I am not hallucinating. Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote: danielle locke wrote: > Well I suppose it is understood that I wasn't the first. I probabally would have not taken it the way I did if that reply would have been BEFORE I sent out my retraction.> It was before. (What retraction?) You forget - you sending a retraction (which I've yet to see) - and the other person seeing it - is two separate events. Emails are replied to in order received over here:-) My button against experts giving wrong advice got pushed (as Max implied). If someone else had said to believe them because *they* were an expert on the subject and then gave *you* bad info to cost you money, time and trauma to your kids - I'd have been equally quick to object. (To your benefit). It wasn't personal against whoever wrote it so much as a defence for the person who would be wronged by the bad advice..... and sorry but I do consider it egotistical to claim expertise when from the " advice " given it was obvious the expert did NOT know their stuff! In my opinion, experts SHOULD know or check their info or they should be silent till they do! As Max implied - I have a button about false health info from someone claiming to be an expert. Worse - I have 2 buttons and you pushed both: I'll stand behind, explain or correct etc - my true intentions any day but if you want me to really explode, then twist my words to imply my true intentions were some other way than they really were:-) >> I wasn't trying to play " cruel games " Hey - at the time, you were claiming expertise you did not have in order to induce someone to do something expensive, risky and unwise with their kids. I dunno what you call that. I did/do consider that a cruel game. I don't think I had bad judgement on that either - maybe I could have been kinder in my method of criticism (sorry I am not good at that) - but what you did was indeed wrong - and the criticism itself was valid:-)) If you since retracted it that's great - I missed that, I take your word it was retracted. > AND I don't hold grudges Nor me. They never helped anyone:-)) Maybe we know/respect each other better as a result? People's true intentions really matter do they not? I am sorry you took it so personally - I was thinking only of the victim of the false advice when I wrote. I've been a victim too often from false " expert " advice, and my being a geneticist in this case too, didn't help:-) Pax? Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 FOUND IT.... Here was my retraction.. I dont even know if it made it out. Some of my other sent emails did not go according to the recipient but it looks like i sent it sunday. Note: forwarded message attached. --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 She did write one. I've had to go to the board to find some that didn't show up on my e-mail and I've had some show up the day after I posted them. still hasn't gotten that completely straightened out yet. That's why I thought you're message was just for me. Re: DH tested danielle locke wrote: > Well I suppose it is understood that I wasn't the first. I probabally would have not taken it the way I did if that reply would have been BEFORE I sent out my retraction.> It was before. (What retraction?) You forget - you sending a retraction (which I've yet to see) - and the other person seeing it - is two separate events. Emails are replied to in order received over here:-) My button against experts giving wrong advice got pushed (as Max implied). If someone else had said to believe them because *they* were an expert on the subject and then gave *you* bad info to cost you money, time and trauma to your kids - I'd have been equally quick to object. (To your benefit). It wasn't personal against whoever wrote it so much as a defence for the person who would be wronged by the bad advice..... and sorry but I do consider it egotistical to claim expertise when from the " advice " given it was obvious the expert did NOT know their stuff! In my opinion, experts SHOULD know or check their info or they should be silent till they do! As Max implied - I have a button about false health info from someone claiming to be an expert. Worse - I have 2 buttons and you pushed both: I'll stand behind, explain or correct etc - my true intentions any day but if you want me to really explode, then twist my words to imply my true intentions were some other way than they really were:-) >> I wasn't trying to play " cruel games " Hey - at the time, you were claiming expertise you did not have in order to induce someone to do something expensive, risky and unwise with their kids. I dunno what you call that. I did/do consider that a cruel game. I don't think I had bad judgement on that either - maybe I could have been kinder in my method of criticism (sorry I am not good at that) - but what you did was indeed wrong - and the criticism itself was valid:-)) If you since retracted it that's great - I missed that, I take your word it was retracted. > AND I don't hold grudges Nor me. They never helped anyone:-)) Maybe we know/respect each other better as a result? People's true intentions really matter do they not? I am sorry you took it so personally - I was thinking only of the victim of the false advice when I wrote. I've been a victim too often from false " expert " advice, and my being a geneticist in this case too, didn't help:-) Pax? Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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