Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Yes, you *are* lucky, and I'm jealous! ----- Original Message ----- From: Fritcher Did a blood type test on DH tonight. We already knew I was O+, and his test showed that he's O+ too. Which means the kids are also O's. Did I luck out or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if you guys are both O... Fritcher <CarbJunky@...> wrote: Did a blood type test on DH tonight. We already knew I was O+, and his test showed that he's O+ too. Which means the kids are also O's. Did I luck out or what? Also, going on vacation to my Mom's for a couple of months and she and my brother are also O's who are more than happy to eat this way, at least while I'm there. Just have to convince DH to give up the coffee & ice cream... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 No they can't. On 3/18/06, danielle locke <tasdlocke@...> wrote: > > Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if > you guys are both O... > > Fritcher <CarbJunky@...> wrote: > Did a blood type test on DH tonight. We already knew I was O+, and his > test showed that he's O+ too. Which means the kids are also O's. Did I > luck out or what? Also, going on vacation to my Mom's for a couple of > months and she and my brother are also O's who are more than happy to > eat this way, at least while I'm there. > > Just have to convince DH to give up the coffee & ice cream... > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 >>Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if you guys are both O... **This is not my understanding of how it works - from what I know, if both parents are 'O's then all kids will be 'O's. Can you explain your undersatanding of it please. ) http://www.freewebs.com/inspire/ http://www.freewebs.com/amiva/ - dogs! -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 147 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 In a message dated 3/18/2006 8:05:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, tasdlocke@... writes: Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if you guys are both O... Now I'm confused again. I thought that two Os make Os. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 " Ditto " children from both O parents = " 0 " ~~~~~~~~~~~ **This is not my understanding of how it works - from what I know, if both parents are 'O's then all kids will be 'O's. Can you explain your undersatanding of it please. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 In a message dated 3/18/2006 11:05:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, mtnmusicmama@... writes: For your kids to be something other than an O, either you or your husband would have to be a Chimarra, meaning that you would have two sets of DNA as a result of the fusing of two fertilized eggs shortly after conception. There is a very remote probability that a woman can make herself pregnant too if she has both genes so don't wear your dockers over your Levis. Isn't a chimarra a very very rare occurrence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 danielle locke wrote: > Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if you guys are both O... > I thought that wasn't possible. I was waiting to see what he was because I thought that if he was O and I'm O that the kids would be O too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 > > Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if you guys are both O... > > > I thought that wasn't possible. I was waiting to see what he was because > I thought that if he was O and I'm O that the kids would be O too. > > > It is possible but not probable. For your kids to be something other than an O, either you or your husband would have to be a Chimarra, meaning that you would have two sets of DNA as a result of the fusing of two fertilized eggs shortly after conception. (The opposite of twinning.) And then, your ovaries or testes would have to be from one egg and your blood from the other. Possible, but HIGHLY unlikely HIGHLY! I think it's a safe assumption that your children are O's. I'd only test if one of them didn't seem to be doing well on the diet or if they needed to be given blood during surgery or something. What I wouldn't give to have the same bloodtype as my husband and children!! You lucky duck! -Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 No, not necessairly. I am a Biology major and I can say that as far a blood type goes, it it not the case. They probabally are type O but it is not engraved in stone. I would feed them the way you eat anyway if they are under 10 yrs old because it won't make much difference from what i have learned at the homeopathic store in my area. They are blood type fanatics. Fritcher <CarbJunky@...> wrote: danielle locke wrote: > Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if you guys are both O... > I thought that wasn't possible. I was waiting to see what he was because I thought that if he was O and I'm O that the kids would be O too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Just remember he will probably have a headache for a ehile if he is getting off of regular coffee. Re: Re: DH tested linnsmama wrote: > What I wouldn't give to have the same bloodtype as my husband and > children!! You lucky duck! > -Robin > And don't I know it. My biggest challenge is going to be fighting for compliance from the other members of my family. Try explaining this to a 6 year old. LOL. Or a 30 year old for that matter. I'm hoping I'll have such good results while I'm at my Mom's that my DH will be intrigued enough to do it with me. I can cook HB and N, but I can't make him avoid while out and about. Though, I won't buy any for home anymore. He'll have to really want it to go out and get it for himself. Next appointments for my kids - in May for check ups for both - I'll ask them to do blood type testing. Just to be certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 linnsmama wrote: > It is possible but not probable. For your kids to be something other > than an O, either you or your husband would have to be a Chimarra, He that's a far-fetched idea! You'd have to have a specific implementation of chimera too with sex cells one genotype and blood cells all another. It's so unlikely it's not worth considering. > What I wouldn't give to have the same bloodtype as my husband and > children!! You lucky duck! Yes I agree. My son and his family are all the same, as he and his wife are both O-neg nonsecretor like me! All the recessives in one pool:-) Talk about a high protein meat eating bunch! And the wife was really sickly when he met her as she'd decided to be vegetarian - luckily she learned how to feel healthy by eating meat :-) Now I have to figure how to feed my cat family each what they need. I have a VERY unusual situation in that I have all three blood groups in the household for cats - and there is no research D'Adamo style on cats as far as I can tell - I just know from experience they do not all do well on the same food! Cat blood type note for anyone interested: Most cats are type A and it's no hassle. A few are type B. A is dominant over B, so two A cats can have a B kitten, not vice versa. Blood transfusions can be deadly in cats if not typed. There's also a type AB but it is not at all related to type A or B - it's completely separate (badly named, should be called pq for peculiar or something) but it is extremely rare in cats and with the blood type kits you get no response to A or B antigens. Inheritance is not fully understood yet for AB. I breed Norwegian Forest Cats and blood type at birth to avoid neonatal erythrolysis in the group (and to let future owners know). One has to separate the kitten for 12 hrs if there is incompatibility, and after that kittens can not absorb colostrum and can go back to mom. Cats produce colostrum in all milk, not just the first milk by the way :-) I wonder if D'Adamo wants new hobby - figuring out compatible food for cats? My type B cats eat practically anything (tend to steal fruit cake, curry, chilli peppers, seaweed, etc with no upsets) and especially love spicy food, never get gastric problems. As I only have one AB cat it's hard to make any assumptions - her mother was a homozygous B, her father A carrying B. As far as I know she can eat what she likes, but I don't experiment so don't really know. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Maddviking@... wrote: > > When I got my cholesterol checked, I argued with the nurse over what was the right diet. When my results came back (122), she said I should still avoid red meat and fat. You can't blast your way through that! > DH has high BP, high cholesterol and some C-Peptide thing, he's IR and pre-diabetic. I'm really hoping that eating compliant-O for a few months will allow him to go back to the doctor and get fabulous test results. I'm also certain that he'll sleep better and have more energy. For a young man in college, working full time with a wife and two kids - one of them a baby and a new house - he's stretched thin. Need to find out the secretor status of everyone in our family at some point too. Is there a test I can request at the doctor's office during the normal course of blood tests that will tell secretor status? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Maddviking@... wrote: > There are worse avoids. Dairy products don't really bother me but they don't help either. Try to get him to drink black and/or green tea for two weeks and then try a cup of coffee. He will be amazed. I know that black tea is an avoid but only because it contains molds. It contains more caffeine than green tea, which is what he is craving. The coffee after two weeks will make him sick. He can't cheat though. One cup and the two weeks starts over. I drank coffee for years and was absolutely amazed at how sick it was making me. > He happens to like green tea. Just not sure if he's willing to give up the coffee. Him and Starbuck's have a relationship going. LOL. I realized a couple of days ago that I can't do coffee anymore. I had a bad reaction to some. Hadn't had any for nearly 2 weeks (our coffee pot was packed and Starbuck's isn't so close in our new house) then I had a large coffee drink. OMG. Still paying for it. I think not drinking the coffee for the last 2 weeks is one of the reasons I was able to stop taking my blood pressure meds. Now I feel like I need them again, and I know it's just carryover from that damn coffee. I know there are worse avoids, definitely. All of them I am sure will be a battle to eliminate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 You can ask but don't be surprised if they won't test the kids. And if they say they will, be careful, usually VERY expensive. Insurance usually won't cover the expense because it is not necessary, Fritcher <CarbJunky@...> wrote: Next appointments for my kids - in May for check ups for both - I'll ask them to do blood type testing. Just to be certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 I hate biology now...... Just Kidding. Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote: danielle locke wrote: > Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if you guys are both O... No that's not true - they can only be O. there are no A or B genes to hand down:-) Type A, or B can have O kids, but not vice versa:-) Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 You can order the blood test from dr.dadamo's site. I think it is around 50.00 and you can do it yourself at home. danielle locke <tasdlocke@...> wrote: I hate biology now...... Just Kidding. Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote: danielle locke wrote: > Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if you guys are both O... No that's not true - they can only be O. there are no A or B genes to hand down:-) Type A, or B can have O kids, but not vice versa:-) Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 You can get a home blood typing test from www.dadamo.com for $11.95. It is a simple test. The secretor test has gone up to $47.95. Re: Re: DH tested You can ask but don't be surprised if they won't test the kids. And if they say they will, be careful, usually VERY expensive. Insurance usually won't cover the expense because it is not necessary, Fritcher <CarbJunky@...> wrote: Next appointments for my kids - in May for check ups for both - I'll ask them to do blood type testing. Just to be certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 > Isn't a > chimarra a very very rare occurrence? > There hasn't been much research into it because it is believed to have very few medical implications. I learned about it from a report on NPR about a woman who was determined to be a chimarra from tests related to trying to find a kidney donor and I have been unable to find much more on it. It could be rare or as common as twinning. Most research on chimarrism right now is centering on the fact that organ recipients are having the donor's dna turn up in other places in their body. Anyway, my point was that although it's possible that the children are not O's, it's very very unlikely. I'd bet money on them being O's. Lucky family! -Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Since when wasn't all of life subject to change? I'm not sure I know of many hard and fast rules that in one way or another don't have some at least minor exceptions. Re: DH tested In a message dated 3/18/2006 8:05:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, tasdlocke@... writes: Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if you guys are both O... Now I'm confused again. I thought that two Os make Os. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Okay, I just got out my textbook from anatomy & Physiology. There is a chart in it that gives all possible blood types that offspring (children) can have depending on the parents blood type. It clearly states that if both parents are O the children will only be O. So dont waste any money on testing if both parents are O. linnsmama <mtnmusicmama@...> wrote: > Isn't a > chimarra a very very rare occurrence? > There hasn't been much research into it because it is believed to have very few medical implications. I learned about it from a report on NPR about a woman who was determined to be a chimarra from tests related to trying to find a kidney donor and I have been unable to find much more on it. It could be rare or as common as twinning. Most research on chimarrism right now is centering on the fact that organ recipients are having the donor's dna turn up in other places in their body. Anyway, my point was that although it's possible that the children are not O's, it's very very unlikely. I'd bet money on them being O's. Lucky family! -Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 linnsmama wrote: > There hasn't been much research into it because it is believed to have > very few medical implications. I learned about it from a report on NPR > about a woman who was determined to be a chimarra from tests related to > trying to find a kidney donor and I have been unable to find much more > on it. It could be rare or as common as twinning. I believe it is an extremely rare event. the reason I think this is that I've studied it in cats - or tried to! Cats are unique in that they can have about 31 different colour/pattern combinations before you consider the rare colours. Yet the colours can only occur in specific combinations - so that a chimera is easier to pick up in cats just by looking. Certainly one can expect some to go unnoticed by being " genetically possible " colours, but there are so many impossible colours - and the generation time in cats is so fast, also with multiple births - that finding a chimera is a whole lot easier to do. Or it would be if there were any chimeras to find. I tried really hard but by the time I wrote my cat genetics book in 1994, I could find not one! Eventually in 1996 (wouldn't ya know!) there's a cat kicked out of a show right here in WA state (I'd looked world-wide in all pedigree databases etc), a cat with a long and well respected Main Coon pedigree ( Solkatz Pretty Boy Floid, a pedigree Maine Coon, born Nov 1996 in Bremerton, WA) arrived wearing true American red white and blue tabby - not possible in cats:-))) Except as a chimera:-) He's a red tabby and white plus a blue tabby and white. (Many cat breeders assumed him a male tortie which is not the case and still would be an impossible colour combo. Tehre's also a somatic mutation in cats which causes some red and white cats to have black areas, but that also is separate. Floid was indeed proved a chimera; none of the other " male tortie " types were proved such that I could find. The colour distribution on male torties is differnt anyway, and they are a lot more common.) There's a not so good photo here of Floid (not good as the photo's darker black-stripe-looking areas are actually pale blue-grey stiped areas in the actual cat): http://www.trutails.com/Ancestors/pages/Floid_jpg.htm and here: http://tortietom.nidoba.nl/tortietn.html (scroll down a bit) His kittens all got the " red tabby and white " cat and not the " blue tabby and white cat " part of him - so his reprodcutive parts were obviously red tabby and white only. Grr! So soon after the book came out:-)) There were no others in that line - or any other place I could find. I dunno what physical mechanism causes two egg cells to merge into a chimera - but I have to think it is an extremely rare situation indeed, compared with say splitting an eggcell in two to make identical twins. > Most research on > chimarrism right now is centering on the fact that organ recipients are > having the donor's dna turn up in other places in their body. Thus is not a true chimera issue though. Microchimerism is the exchange of cell material during pregnancy between fetus and mother - and/or the exchange between fraternal or identical twins of stem cell material (common in cow twinss for eample) that is then microchimera material and is a normal event. It is separate from forming a complete chimera by fusing two egg cells so as to have two people fused into one - some parts with one set of DNA and other parts with other DNA. All transplant tissue is microchimera tissue - and it will migrate to other places besides where the transplant is put. But microchimera tissue is a separate issue from true chimeras from a fused pair of egg cells. Point is microchimeras are commonplace - the true chimera is not. > Anyway, my point was that although it's possible that the children are > not O's, it's very very unlikely. I'd bet money on them being O's. I reckon there's a better chance of winning a few hundred million bucks in a lottery than finding those kids other than O:-) Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Maddviking@... wrote: > In a message dated 3/18/2006 8:05:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, > tasdlocke@... writes: > Did you test the Kids? They can still be something other than O...even if you > guys are both O... > > Now I'm confused again. I thought that two Os make Os. You are right - Two O's can only have O's:-) They can not even have a chimera that's not O:-) Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 danielle locke wrote: > No, not necessairly. I am a Biology major and I can say that as far a blood type goes, it it not the case. They probabally are type O but it is not engraved in stone.> Okay let's put a stop to the silliness. First you need a new biology teacher. It IS indeed engraved in stone that two O parents can ONLY produce O children. As a biology major YOU should know that, with O being recessive!!! As a molecular genetics M.Sc, with a book on genetics published, I'm sure of it, but I was sure of it in high school genetics class too. When the only genes present are for O, they can NOT make anything else no matter which weird way you combine them, including every genetic " 1 in a billion " anomaly you can think up! And in my opinion - it is nasty to confuse such a simple matter for the person who may waste hundreds of dollars on tests because you are playing cruel games with them for what looks to me like egotistical reasons - you sure have not checked this simple genetics out at all!! O is recessive - there are ZERO carried genes to play with! Not even for chimeras! Nothing but O is possible when all you start with, hidden or visible, is O. Two O parents will ONLY have O kids. Period. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Murray wrote: > Since when wasn't all of life subject to change? I'm not sure I know of many hard and fast rules that in one way or another don't have some at least minor exceptions. > , Life changes according to a set of rules - not randomly :-)) The universe is full of hard and fast rules - everything from gravity to sunshine is predictable and all forms of life are determined by the genes in the nucleus of their cells - half from each parent according to set rules of genetics - including the rules for weird oddball occurrences like chimeras - all by rules. Those rules apply to plants, insects, snakes, cats, fish, tadpoles, fungus, bacteria, prions, monkeys and people and anything else " alive " . And to suggest on this list that someone's children may be mutant new forms of human all of a sudden - is inappropriate. The changes to produce a new species of human take place slowly over thousands or millions of years - not overnight:-) And a mutation of a new blood type is NOT going to happen in this person's children. The ABO blood group genes and their rules are here today and will be the same tomorrow. The conditions for a mutation are NOT met here. There's no Chernobyl next door to the list member to accelerate mutation rate for example, and even if there was, a mutation is rare - and even if it occurred, it would not likely be a blood type mutation. Mutation also works within set and predictable rules. There's nothing random about the mechanisms - it all works in a logical and intelligent way:-) Life was not thrown together by mistake - it was designed - very well, as is evident the more one investigates its pretty magnificent structure :-)) Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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