Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?

[Guest guest]

yes, I actually am aware of that and have so many more symptoms of hypo too.

I'm certain I need to cleanse the liver/bowel as well but knowing what to is

really overwhelming, as there are SO MANY products or plans out there, you don't

know where to start!

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> >

> >

> > Hi Spacejunkie (sorry I don't know your real name):

> > I have a question for you, is there a reason you don't want to go on any

thyroid medication? I had so many hypo/Hashi symptoms that have cleared up

once being on Armour (the old armour was much better). I am on a compounded

thyroid med right now.

> > Since being dx with Hashi's over 4 yrs. ago, IÂ figured I would have to

be on thyroid meds the rest of my life. I started on a low dose (12.5mgs.) of

iodoral on the suggestion of my holistic doctor. I now take that, but add

another 1/2 of pill every other day. My worse bromide detox symtom is acne on

my face, especially on my cheeks and hairline. When I have tried to raise the

dose higher in the past, I would feel very depressed. I figure it is better

for me to take a low dose of Iodoral than not get any at all. I also take the

companion nutrients plus celtic sea salt.

> > I have been able to reduce my thyroid meds from 180mgs. to 90 mgs. I am

not judging you, but just wondered why you have chosen not to go the thyroid

med route. Is there something I am missing in thinking that it is o.k. to be

on these meds for an extended period of time?

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

aren't you being guided by test results. It would seem a perilous thing to wing it?

From: spacejunkie2001us <scastor@...>Subject: Am I right or wrong about iodine?iodine Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 12:07

I started taking it about 5 months ago and really thought it could help resolve A LOT of issues I was having, mainly weight gain, sluggishness and constipation. I read up on it and bought Brownstein's book.I started out with 50mg/day and stayed there without missing a dosage. Early on I began B2, B3 and Vit C. I had been taking mag malate for a few years and recently upped my dosage of it. More recently I started taking selenium, even though it's in my liquid vitamin.I started seeing my symptoms get worse and my cycle went absolutely haywire where it has been very normal for years and years. Especially problemsome (is that a word? is the weight gain and constipation.Friday was the last day I took 50mg and went 2 days with taking none. Then for the last 2 days I took 12.5mg. I've had a 'cramp' in my upper chest (like it's my thyroid swelling or something)and just a general unease.I don't know which way to go. I feel

like I'm pushing myself right into taking the hormone and I started taking iodine specifically so I would NOT have to do that!I read here that many are having the same problems as me so it seems the iodine is having an opposite effect from what we thought it would do.I kinda feel like I'm going nuts here and would love some help.

[Guest guest]

Yes I was faced with the same thing - but fighting cancer so it was more urgent. I found a good ND in my area and he got me started and then when I hit a brick wall I went to Dr. Brownstein who "finished me off". LOL! Sometimes your thyroid has been damaged too much and you cannot repair it no matter what you do. Just be careful not to try too long or you will have damage to other body systems. My long term hypothyroidism taxed my adrenals and now I suffer with them being on the fringe all the time.

Steph

Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?

yes, I actually am aware of that and have so many more symptoms of hypo too. I'm certain I need to cleanse the liver/bowel as well but knowing what to is really overwhelming, as there are SO MANY products or plans out there, you don't know where to start!> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Spacejunkie (sorry I don't know your real name):> > I have a question for you, is there a reason you don't want to go on any thyroid medication? I had so many hypo/Hashi symptoms that have cleared up once being on Armour (the old armour was much better). I am on a compounded thyroid med right now.> > Since being dx with Hashi's over 4 yrs. ago, I figured I would have to be on thyroid meds the rest of my life. I started on a low dose (12.5mgs.) of iodoral on the suggestion of my holistic doctor. I now take that, but add another 1/2 of pill every other day. My worse bromide detox symtom is acne on my face, especially on my cheeks and hairline. When I have tried to raise the dose higher in the past, I would feel very depressed. I figure it is better for me to take a low dose of Iodoral than not get any at all. I also take the companion nutrients plus celtic sea salt.> > I have been able to reduce my thyroid meds from 180mgs. to 90 mgs. I am not judging you, but just wondered why you have chosen not to go the thyroid med route. Is there something I am missing in thinking that it is o.k. to be on these meds for an extended period of time?> > > >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bruce,

what are normal soil levels of iodine?

From: Bruce <bruce@...>Subject: Re: Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?iodine Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 16:45

From: spacejunkie2001us>Thanks Donna. Were you on Armour before iodine or did you go on it >afterwards? Your post kind of proves my point that even with the higher > >doses of iodine, and being on it awhile, you still have several of the >hypo symptoms. In Dr. Brownstein's book he makes reference to several .>patients reducing or going off hormones completely after they start iodine >but I've not seen that with anyone here yet.>Are there any other people here doing iodine who are NOT on any thyroid >hormones?I am taking iodine, the only reason being that after a lot of study I agreed the body requires it.I'm still not convinced on amount, mainly due to bromide being illegal here (Canada) in food products and ona good natural diet for over a year. I "may" settle on 12mg/day as body sufficiency.When I start others on iodine I play safe, max 2-5

mg/day and let them make their own decisions after studying the issue for themselves.So far haven't found a dr here aware of doing loading tests...working on that.I'm very cautious on attributing every symptom to detox and upping dose, though in a lot of cases that applies. I did once for headaches and it was candida, not detox.Being a Creationist my question would be what amount would we get from a natural diet where the soil levels are normal, not how much the Japanese get...Bruce

[Guest guest]

Oh my gosh! 4 little ones...

I get where you're at now and I appreciate the clarity. I have had various

symptoms for years and have tried certain things, half heartedly really, if I

were to be honest. I am now trying to balance myself via nutrition, along with

the supplements. I can say, without a doubt, that I was able to completely go

off of anti depressants due to high doses of mag malate and was able to

alleviate gallbladder issues with ACV so the next step was iodine and the hypo

symptoms.

One thing I am NOT doing consistently,that I know for a FACT will help, is

exercise. Good, consistent weight training is great for balancing health and

I've been skirting it. So, that's the next goal that I'm sure will contribute

greatly to feeling better.

>

>

>

> <<Thanks Donna. Were you on Armour before iodine or did you go on it

afterwards? Your post kind of proves my point that even with the higher doses of

iodine, and being on it awhile, you still have several of the hypo symptoms. In

Dr. Brownstein's book he makes reference to several patients reducing or going

off hormones completely after they start iodine but I've not seen that with

anyone here yet.

>

> Are there any other people here doing iodine who are NOT on any thyroid

hormones?<<

>

> I have been on Armour Thyroid for 14 years. I improved even more on iodine

also. The point you missed is that it was the change in Armour Thyroid's

formulation that brought back my hypo symptoms, not the iodine. Boy, if I wasn't

on the iodine when they changed Armour, I can't imagine what I would be like.

Before I started on Armour, I was sleeping 14 hours a day, and I had 3 young

children (9 mos to 4 years) and was expecting. Try to get anything done while

sleeping most of the day!

>

> While Dr. Brownstein refers to some patients lowering or going off completely,

he never states that that will be the case for everyone. It also takes time for

healing. They say for every year you have had problems, it takes at least 1

month for healing. So if I had thyroid problems for 6 years before I was

diagnosed, then I have 20 years of problems, so I need to allow at least 20

months of healing, which have not come about yet. I don't mind taking Armour

continuously. It made me able to function. I was never on a high dose, but was

much improved with iodine. If the iodine helps me to eventually lower the dose,

that will be fine, but I won't quit taking iodine if I can't lower it. Too many

other things in the body need the iodine, and all around I am better.

>

> Donna in IL

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bruce. I totally agree. I read not long ago that the levels for

acceptable cholesterol were LOWERED about 15 years ago for no other reason, IMO,

than to accommodate the drug companies. Cholesterol is the symptom of a

problem, not a problem. Taking statins is like putting a piece of tape over your

oil lamp in your car and pretending that that took care of it because you can't

see the light anymore!

>

> Not to go off topic, but I had the same (statins) from doctor. I refused and

found that it's all junk science to promote drug co proffits.

> High cholesterol has very little relationship to artery/heart disease.

> They are actually dangerous.

> As Steph said, iodine can help. most of all a good natural diet - no refined

veg oils, junk foods, or trans fats- and supplements. Iodine is natural really.

>

> Bruce

>

> From: spacejunkie2001us

> I am trying to avoid going on a lifelong medication. In my simple mind I

was hoping to actually SOLVE my issue naturally as opposed to 'medicating'. I

have no idea if I'm looking at it right or not. I have slightly elevated

cholesterol too and I refuse to take a statin.

> Rebel at heart, I suppose, and since I believe God made us capable of

healing ourselves I'm trying to hold out as long as I can on going the 'pill'

route.

>

[Guest guest]



http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1036622

Has some info for the usa, it really varies all over.

I wouldn't depend on plant/animal sources in light of Dr Brownsteins and others research.

Bruce

From: david kenna

Hi Bruce,

what are normal soil levels of iodine?

[Guest guest]

weight gain.

Are you getting sufficient omega 3. Long chain which is from oily fish like sardines or

mackerel. or salmon.

Omega 3 speeds metabolism is vital for the brain , heart health,prevent arrythmia,speed

circulation, helps with varicose veins, etc etc.

Only one portion(100 grams) per week gives you the necessary amount.

Most people have too much omega 6, also essential, but it seems being overused.

it slows metabolism, and increases appetite!!!! and so weight gain is certain.

From: Donna Iler <Donna@...>Subject: RE: Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?"iodine " <iodine >Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 14:47

Have you read the detox lists? Many of the symptoms you are listing are detox. There have been many people that have reported feeling much better, but there is also the healing crisis.

I have been taking 50 mg for just over a year now. I feel much better, have lots more energy, not so jumpy, can handle loud noise better – I think that has more to do with the magnesium part of it – my hair stopped falling out, not so cold all the time, sleeping better. However, since the change in Armour, I have gained even more weight, my nails are starting to break below the bed again, my skin is dryer, so I need to see someone to get on another product.

Remember, you are feeding and nourishing your body, and working to heal it. That takes time, and working through detox symptoms and the whole balancing issue. It is not an overnight, make you feel great immediately thing. That is what allopathic specializes in – covering the symptoms so you feel good, even if there is no real healing of the problem. That is why people under allopathic are on long term, most likely lifetime treatment. So if our healing takes time, at least we have the hope of getting better, maybe not perfect, but we don’t have that hope at all with allopathic.

Donna in IL

From: iodinegroups (DOT) com [mailto:iodine] On Behalf Of spacejunkie2001usSent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:20 AMiodinegroups (DOT) comSubject: Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?

It was/is really a tighting in the lower neck, basically where the collar bone is. It's not chest I can feel the tightness in the very upper part and lower neck.I think I'm just having a hard time reconciling that all of the hypo thyroid symptoms got so much worse after starting iodine and no one here could really say they've been on it for X months or years and that all went away and now they feel great. I haven't been a member all that long so I'm certainly not trying to disparage the board, I'm just not seeing any real anecdotal evidence that your thyroid really starts working optimally after taking x mg for x time.I guess I'll continue on the 12.5mg of iodine (although I may quit altogether) and just do all the other supplements to build that up.>> We know that the companion nutrients are needed to make iodine effective. So maybe as you added them it started to work by kicking out toxins and beginning to be used by the thyroid. Your thyroid is in your neck not your chest so you comment about swelling and thyroid doesn't make sense to me. It is normal for your hormones to go "whacky" when taking iodoral as ever gland and mucosal lining use iodine (adrenals, ovaries, uterus - all control sex hormones). > > Here are the dosage recommendations:> > Magnesium 400 mgs> Vit C 3,000 - 5,000 mgs> Selenium 200 - 400 mcg> Unrefined salt 1/2 tsp + using liberally on food.> > Other beneficial things I have found:> > Kroeger Herbs Sunny A - 25,000 iU from fish and carrots> BalanCe - www.vrp.com a vit C supplement containing Vit C, Potassium, Magnesium,

Calcium I feel best taking 1-2 scoops 2x per day (I have to work up to that amount for bowel tolerance)> B6 Complex - I take Pure Encapsulations> > Keep in mind most of us are HIGHLY toxic and when you get things moving you will get a healing crisis. I have lived them for years as I work on each new thing. You are always a work in process.> > > > > Am I right or wrong about iodine?> > > > I started taking it about 5 months ago and really thought it could help resolve A LOT of issues I was having, mainly weight gain, sluggishness and

constipation. I read up on it and bought Brownstein's book.> > I started out with 50mg/day and stayed there without missing a dosage. Early on I began B2, B3 and Vit C. I had been taking mag malate for a few years and recently upped my dosage of it. More recently I started taking selenium, even though it's in my liquid vitamin.> > I started seeing my symptoms get worse and my cycle went absolutely haywire where it has been very normal for years and years. Especially problemsome (is that a word? is the weight gain and constipation.> > Friday was the last day I took 50mg and went 2 days with taking none. Then for the last 2 days I took 12.5mg. I've had a 'cramp' in my upper chest (like it's my thyroid swelling or something)and just a general unease.> > I don't know which way to go. I feel like I'm pushing myself right into taking the hormone and I started taking iodine specifically so I would NOT

have to do that!> > I read here that many are having the same problems as me so it seems the iodine is having an opposite effect from what we thought it would do.> > I kinda feel like I'm going nuts here and would love some help.>

[Guest guest]

thanks Bruce.1/11/09, Bruce <bruce@...> wrote:

From: Bruce <bruce@...>Subject: Re: Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?iodine Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 22:46

 http://curezone. com/forums/ am.asp?i= 1036622

Has some info for the usa, it really varies all over.

I wouldn't depend on plant/animal sources in light of Dr Brownsteins and others research.

Bruce

From: david kenna

Hi Bruce,

what are normal soil levels of iodine?

[Guest guest]

That's good to know, since Omega -3 is cheaper than the 3-6-9 that I am taking.

Jag

From: david kenna <davidjohnkenna@...>Subject: RE: Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?iodine Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 5:54 PM

weight gain.

Are you getting sufficient omega 3. Long chain which is from oily fish like sardines or

mackerel. or salmon.

Omega 3 speeds metabolism is vital for the brain , heart health,prevent arrythmia,speed

circulation, helps with varicose veins, etc etc.

Only one portion(100 grams) per week gives you the necessary amount.

Most people have too much omega 6, also essential, but it seems being overused.

it slows metabolism, and increases appetite!!!! and so weight gain is certain.

From: Donna Iler <Donna@Master- Solutions. com>Subject: RE: Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?"iodine@groups .com" <iodinegroups (DOT) com>Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 14:47

Have you read the detox lists? Many of the symptoms you are listing are detox. There have been many people that have reported feeling much better, but there is also the healing crisis.

I have been taking 50 mg for just over a year now. I feel much better, have lots more energy, not so jumpy, can handle loud noise better – I think that has more to do with the magnesium part of it – my hair stopped falling out, not so cold all the time, sleeping better. However, since the change in Armour, I have gained even more weight, my nails are starting to break below the bed again, my skin is dryer, so I need to see someone to get on another product.

Remember, you are feeding and nourishing your body, and working to heal it. That takes time, and working through detox symptoms and the whole balancing issue. It is not an overnight, make you feel great immediately thing. That is what allopathic specializes in – covering the symptoms so you feel good, even if there is no real healing of the problem. That is why people under allopathic are on long term, most likely lifetime treatment. So if our healing takes time, at least we have the hope of getting better, maybe not perfect, but we don’t have that hope at all with allopathic. Donna in IL

From: iodinegroups (DOT) com [mailto:iodine] On Behalf Of spacejunkie2001usSent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:20 AMiodinegroups (DOT) comSubject: Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?

It was/is really a tighting in the lower neck, basically where the collar bone is. It's not chest I can feel the tightness in the very upper part and lower neck.I think I'm just having a hard time reconciling that all of the hypo thyroid symptoms got so much worse after starting iodine and no one here could really say they've been on it for X months or years and that all went away and now they feel great. I haven't been a member all that long so I'm certainly not trying to disparage the board, I'm just not seeing any real anecdotal evidence that your thyroid really starts working optimally after taking x mg for x time.I guess I'll continue on the 12.5mg of iodine (although I may quit altogether) and just do all the other supplements to build that up.>> We know that the companion nutrients are needed to make iodine effective. So maybe as you added them it started to work by kicking out toxins and beginning to be used by the thyroid. Your thyroid is in your neck not your chest so you comment about swelling and thyroid doesn't make sense to me. It is normal for your hormones to go "whacky" when taking iodoral as ever gland and mucosal lining use iodine (adrenals, ovaries, uterus - all control sex hormones). > > Here are the dosage recommendations:> > Magnesium 400 mgs> Vit C 3,000 - 5,000 mgs> Selenium 200 - 400 mcg> Unrefined salt 1/2 tsp + using liberally on food.> > Other beneficial things I have found:> > Kroeger Herbs Sunny A - 25,000 iU from fish and carrots> BalanCe - www.vrp.com a vit C supplement containing Vit C, Potassium, Magnesium, Calcium I feel best taking

1-2 scoops 2x per day (I have to work up to that amount for bowel tolerance)> B6 Complex - I take Pure Encapsulations> > Keep in mind most of us are HIGHLY toxic and when you get things moving you will get a healing crisis. I have lived them for years as I work on each new thing. You are always a work in process.> > > > > Am I right or wrong about iodine?> > > > I started taking it about 5 months ago and really thought it could help resolve A LOT of issues I was having, mainly weight gain, sluggishness and constipation. I read up on it and bought Brownstein's book.>

> I started out with 50mg/day and stayed there without missing a dosage. Early on I began B2, B3 and Vit C. I had been taking mag malate for a few years and recently upped my dosage of it. More recently I started taking selenium, even though it's in my liquid vitamin.> > I started seeing my symptoms get worse and my cycle went absolutely haywire where it has been very normal for years and years. Especially problemsome (is that a word? is the weight gain and constipation.> > Friday was the last day I took 50mg and went 2 days with taking none. Then for the last 2 days I took 12.5mg. I've had a 'cramp' in my upper chest (like it's my thyroid swelling or something)and just a general unease.> > I don't know which way to go. I feel like I'm pushing myself right into taking the hormone and I started taking iodine specifically so I would NOT have to do that!> > I read here that many are having

the same problems as me so it seems the iodine is having an opposite effect from what we thought it would do.> > I kinda feel like I'm going nuts here and would love some help.>

[Guest guest]

It is perilous and I have been winging it. I got tested a few years ago, several

times and it always came back 'normal'. With that said, I agree with you and I'm

going to try to see Dr. Don Colbert(?), pretty sure that's his name. He's here

in Apopka, FL. Not sure if anyone here has ever heard of him or has an opinion.

If so I'd love to hear it.

Also, if there's a good website that I can find a decent provider near me

instead of him, that you all think is savvy on thyroid stuff that would be

great.

>

>

> From: spacejunkie2001us <scastor@...>

> Subject: Am I right or wrong about iodine?

> iodine

> Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 12:07

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> I started taking it about 5 months ago and really thought it could help

resolve A LOT of issues I was having, mainly weight gain, sluggishness and

constipation. I read up on it and bought Brownstein's book.

>

> I started out with 50mg/day and stayed there without missing a dosage. Early

on I began B2, B3 and Vit C. I had been taking mag malate for a few years and

recently upped my dosage of it. More recently I started taking selenium, even

though it's in my liquid vitamin.

>

> I started seeing my symptoms get worse and my cycle went absolutely haywire

where it has been very normal for years and years. Especially problemsome (is

that a word? is the weight gain and constipation.

>

> Friday was the last day I took 50mg and went 2 days with taking none. Then for

the last 2 days I took 12.5mg. I've had a 'cramp' in my upper chest (like it's

my thyroid swelling or something)and just a general unease.

>

> I don't know which way to go. I feel like I'm pushing myself right into taking

the hormone and I started taking iodine specifically so I would NOT have to do

that!

>

> I read here that many are having the same problems as me so it seems the

iodine is having an opposite effect from what we thought it would do.

>

> I kinda feel like I'm going nuts here and would love some help.

>

[Guest guest]

I was steadily taking Carlson's fish oil (on a spoon, not capsule) and ran out

recently. I read your post earlier on this and it explained alot regarding the

long chain/short chain, and how we're basically decieved when packaging has

omega 3 on it, as it's most likely short chain.

Do you have a brand you like?

> >

> > We know that the companion nutrients are needed to make iodine effective. So

maybe as you added them it started to work by kicking out toxins and beginning

to be used by the thyroid. Your thyroid is in your neck not your chest so you

comment about swelling and thyroid doesn't make sense to me. It is normal for

your hormones to go " whacky " when taking iodoral as ever gland and mucosal

lining use iodine (adrenals, ovaries, uterus - all control sex hormones).

> >

> > Here are the dosage recommendations:

> >

> > Magnesium 400 mgs

> > Vit C 3,000 - 5,000 mgs

> > Selenium 200 - 400 mcg

> > Unrefined salt 1/2 tsp + using liberally on food.

> >

> > Other beneficial things I have found:

> >

> > Kroeger Herbs Sunny A - 25,000 iU from fish and carrots

> > BalanCe - www.vrp.com a vit C supplement containing Vit C, Potassium,

Magnesium, Calcium I feel best taking 1-2 scoops 2x per day (I have to work up

to that amount for bowel tolerance)

> > B6 Complex - I take Pure Encapsulations

> >

> > Keep in mind most of us are HIGHLY toxic and when you get things moving you

will get a healing crisis. I have lived them for years as I work on each new

thing. You are always a work in process.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Am I right or wrong about iodine?

> >

> >

> >

> > I started taking it about 5 months ago and really thought it could help

resolve A LOT of issues I was having, mainly weight gain, sluggishness and

constipation. I read up on it and bought Brownstein's book.

> >

> > I started out with 50mg/day and stayed there without missing a dosage. Early

on I began B2, B3 and Vit C. I had been taking mag malate for a few years and

recently upped my dosage of it. More recently I started taking selenium, even

though it's in my liquid vitamin.

> >

> > I started seeing my symptoms get worse and my cycle went absolutely haywire

where it has been very normal for years and years. Especially problemsome (is

that a word? is the weight gain and constipation.

> >

> > Friday was the last day I took 50mg and went 2 days with taking none. Then

for the last 2 days I took 12.5mg. I've had a 'cramp' in my upper chest (like

it's my thyroid swelling or something)and just a general unease.

> >

> > I don't know which way to go. I feel like I'm pushing myself right into

taking the hormone and I started taking iodine specifically so I would NOT have

to do that!

> >

> > I read here that many are having the same problems as me so it seems the

iodine is having an opposite effect from what we thought it would do.

> >

> > I kinda feel like I'm going nuts here and would love some help.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Normal isn't always normal. Test results for serum magnesium are certainly too low

according to Dr Carolyn Dean. There are other types of test whole body tests but

they are not widely available.

see her book. magnesium has so many applications.

From: spacejunkie2001us <scastor@...>Subject: Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?iodine Date: Thursday, 12 November, 2009, 0:16

It is perilous and I have been winging it. I got tested a few years ago, several times and it always came back 'normal'. With that said, I agree with you and I'm going to try to see Dr. Don Colbert(?), pretty sure that's his name. He's here in Apopka, FL. Not sure if anyone here has ever heard of him or has an opinion. If so I'd love to hear it.Also, if there's a good website that I can find a decent provider near me instead of him, that you all think is savvy on thyroid stuff that would be great.>

> > From: spacejunkie2001us <scastor@... >> Subject: Am I right or wrong about iodine?> iodinegroups (DOT) com> Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 12:07> > > Â > > > > I started taking it about 5 months ago and really thought it could help resolve A LOT of issues I was having, mainly weight gain, sluggishness and constipation. I read up on it and bought Brownstein's book.> > I started out with 50mg/day and stayed there without missing a dosage. Early on I began B2, B3 and Vit C. I had been taking mag malate for a few years and recently upped my dosage of it. More recently I started taking selenium, even though it's in my liquid vitamin.> > I started seeing my

symptoms get worse and my cycle went absolutely haywire where it has been very normal for years and years. Especially problemsome (is that a word? is the weight gain and constipation.> > Friday was the last day I took 50mg and went 2 days with taking none. Then for the last 2 days I took 12.5mg. I've had a 'cramp' in my upper chest (like it's my thyroid swelling or something)and just a general unease.> > I don't know which way to go. I feel like I'm pushing myself right into taking the hormone and I started taking iodine specifically so I would NOT have to do that!> > I read here that many are having the same problems as me so it seems the iodine is having an opposite effect from what we thought it would do.> > I kinda feel like I'm going nuts here and would love some help.>

[Guest guest]

I was having a lot of nausea in the morning since taking the iodine and when I started a new diet I started eating a banana every morning and ever since then the nausea has disappeared. I take one potassium pill but who knows how well my body was able to utilize that so I think the potassium is really important, and that the banana a day is what my body needed for the amount of salt I was using. All the electrolytes need to be balanced to feel right. The problem is there is no formula any one can offer because some of us my be deficient in one or another. So it seems it would be wise to advise that if you are having a hard time on the iodine to play with the potassium, magnesium, calcium, salt balance, if you are doing a lot of salt loading one week you may need to add extra mag potassium and cal that week then return to normal amounts when you are back to using normal amounts of salt. It sure seems from reading the list several months that everyone needs to find the best type of magnesium for their body. No matter how much I took in pill form or what kind it did very little for me. I didn't get any mag results until I started using the transdermal magnesium oil.

Engtovo

Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?

Posted by: "ladybugsandbees" ladybugsandbees@... stephanie_a_buist

Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:23 am (PST)

It's one thing to feel bad and another to feel worse. If you are worse then back off or pulse dose by taking a few days off and then going back to it. I suspect that w/o knowing it the potassium in my Vit C was balancing my sodium. Although potassium is not part of the iodine doc's protocol.Steph Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?I had been salting but I started feeling worse. Then I read that you have to do potassium if you salt so I started doing black strap molasses (because I read that supplementing potassium isn't a good idea). Then I started having real discomfort in my spleen area.It's difficult to continue these things when you feel worse. It's contra indicative and hard to justify. I do know that detoxing can make you feel worse before better, often, but I was just getting progressively worse.

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Not a brand. I eat sardines. So rich in nutrients. Omega 3 one srving gives a weeks supply.

Thats 100 grams. Also provides B12 in very high amouts relative to the RDA. Calcium 57%

Vita a 3% Niacin and Vit D. Alao excellent source of protein.

Take with salt to balance the oil.

From: spacejunkie2001us <scastor@...>Subject: Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?iodine Date: Thursday, 12 November, 2009, 0:19

I was steadily taking Carlson's fish oil (on a spoon, not capsule) and ran out recently. I read your post earlier on this and it explained alot regarding the long chain/short chain, and how we're basically decieved when packaging has omega 3 on it, as it's most likely short chain.Do you have a brand you like?> >> > We know that the companion nutrients are needed to make iodine effective. So maybe as you added them it started to work by kicking out toxins and beginning to be used by the thyroid. Your thyroid is in your neck not your chest so you comment about swelling and thyroid doesn't make sense to me. It is normal for your hormones to go "whacky" when taking iodoral as ever gland and mucosal lining use iodine

(adrenals, ovaries, uterus - all control sex hormones). > > > > Here are the dosage recommendations:> > > > Magnesium 400 mgs> > Vit C 3,000 - 5,000 mgs> > Selenium 200 - 400 mcg> > Unrefined salt 1/2 tsp + using liberally on food.> > > > Other beneficial things I have found:> > > > Kroeger Herbs Sunny A - 25,000 iU from fish and carrots> > BalanCe - www.vrp.com a vit C supplement containing Vit C, Potassium, Magnesium, Calcium I feel best taking 1-2 scoops 2x per day (I have to work up to that amount for bowel tolerance)> > B6 Complex - I take Pure Encapsulations> > > > Keep in mind most of us are HIGHLY toxic and when you get things moving you will get a healing crisis. I have lived them for years as I work on each new thing. You are always a work in process.> > > > >

> > > > > Am I right or wrong about iodine?> > > > > > > > I started taking it about 5 months ago and really thought it could help resolve A LOT of issues I was having, mainly weight gain, sluggishness and constipation. I read up on it and bought Brownstein's book.> > > > I started out with 50mg/day and stayed there without missing a dosage. Early on I began B2, B3 and Vit C. I had been taking mag malate for a few years and recently upped my dosage of it. More recently I started taking selenium, even though it's in my liquid vitamin.> > > > I started seeing my symptoms get worse and my cycle went absolutely haywire where it has been very normal for years and

years. Especially problemsome (is that a word? is the weight gain and constipation.> > > > Friday was the last day I took 50mg and went 2 days with taking none. Then for the last 2 days I took 12.5mg. I've had a 'cramp' in my upper chest (like it's my thyroid swelling or something)and just a general unease.> > > > I don't know which way to go. I feel like I'm pushing myself right into taking the hormone and I started taking iodine specifically so I would NOT have to do that!> > > > I read here that many are having the same problems as me so it seems the iodine is having an opposite effect from what we thought it would do.> > > > I kinda feel like I'm going nuts here and would love some help.> >>

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Are you getting sufficient protein...vital

From: Engtovo <engtovo@...>Subject: Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?iodine Date: Thursday, 12 November, 2009, 1:04

I was having a lot of nausea in the morning since taking the iodine and when I started a new diet I started eating a banana every morning and ever since then the nausea has disappeared. I take one potassium pill but who knows how well my body was able to utilize that so I think the potassium is really important, and that the banana a day is what my body needed for the amount of salt I was using. All the electrolytes need to be balanced to feel right. The problem is there is no formula any one can offer because some of us my be deficient in one or another. So it seems it would be wise to advise that if you are having a hard time on the iodine to play with the potassium, magnesium, calcium, salt balance, if you are doing a lot of salt loading one week you may need to add extra mag potassium and cal that week then return to normal amounts when you are back to using normal amounts

of salt. It sure seems from reading the list several months that everyone needs to find the best type of magnesium for their body. No matter how much I took in pill form or what kind it did very little for me. I didn't get any mag results until I started using the transdermal magnesium oil.

Engtovo

Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?

Posted by: "ladybugsandbees" ladybugsandbees@ sbcglobal. net stephanie_a_ buist

Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:23 am (PST)

It's one thing to feel bad and another to feel worse. If you are worse then back off or pulse dose by taking a few days off and then going back to it. I suspect that w/o knowing it the potassium in my Vit C was balancing my sodium. Although potassium is not part of the iodine doc's protocol.Steph Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?I had been salting but I started feeling worse. Then I read that you have to do potassium if you salt so I started doing black strap molasses (because I read that supplementing potassium isn't a

good idea). Then I started having real discomfort in my spleen area.It's difficult to continue these things when you feel worse. It's contra indicative and hard to justify. I do know that detoxing can make you feel worse before better, often, but I was just getting progressively worse.

[Guest guest]

It's funny how taking a pill can sometimes feel like a moral issue -

taking vitamins and minerals somehow feels like a better thing to do. I

suppose the feeling would be that the vitamins/minerals/nutrition

approach is about getting your body to work as it would do if healthy,

supporting your natural self, simply feeding the body the right way.

Taking the thyroid replacement feels like admitting failure, like

crossing the line between healthy and sick, strong or weak.

I used to think like that. Now, having been on replacement for a few

years, and done a lot more research about it all, I see it differently.

Supporting your thryoid with replacement hormone while it is struggling

can buy you more time to use the nutritional approach to reverse (if

possible) the autoimmunity, or clean up the liver, or whatever the issue

is. The longer you are actually hypo the more damage is being done at a

cellular level. Jump in early with replacement, you can stop the damage,

and some people find they don't need to stay on it for life. And it

looks like it is a similar picture with Adrenal glands. People are so

scared of taking cortisol because they think they will be on it for

life. But if you listen to people that are using it - it seems that it

can support you for a while and give your adrenals a chance to recover.

I'm really grateful that God made people with enough intelligence to

notice that feeding people with animal thyroid gland tissue reversed a

lot of myxoedema symptoms because I hate to think what my quality of

life would be like otherwise.

Gail

> >

> > Are you aware that elevated cholesterol is a sign of hypothyroidism?

> >

> > Have you looked at my full list of thyroid supporting nutrients on

my website? www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

> >

> > Steph

> >

> >

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Hi , you might want to read the book Hormone Solution by Dr. Hertoghe(sp). He explains that around 30 - 35 our hormones start to decline and this is where aging starts. If you wish to stay healthy, it might be a good idea to supplement with bio identical hormones. He also explains that keeping our hormone levels up to where they were in our 20's protects us from diseases..like cancer. I, personally don't care how long I live, I just don't want to feel like crap.

Good luck.Nonie > > I'm > > I am trying to avoid going on a lifelong medication. In my simple mind I was hoping to actually SOLVE my issue naturally as opposed to 'medicating'. I have no idea if I'm looking at it right or not. I have slightly elevated cholesterol too and I refuse to take a statin. > > Rebel at heart, I suppose, and since I believe God made us capable of healing ourselves I'm trying to hold out as long as I can on going the 'pill' route.

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I am not on any thyroid or any other hormones. I am 46 and working through menopause. I have had untreated hypo for many years and early in February developed subacute thyroiditis which is a viral infection of the thyroid that can take a year to a year and half to regulate. After developing the thyroiditis I started to research thyroid stuff and saw myself immediately in the symptoms of iodine deficiency before the thyroiditis started. I started on iodine right away and it has been a hard journey to find balance points as I worked through the thyroiditis but now I feel like I am hitting the other side of the thyroiditis and can tell all my hormones are starting to improve, my cycle does what it wants which is typical of going through menopause and I have had to switch up my iodoral dose to all kinds of different levels over the months based on the cycle of the thyroiditis and bromide detox and candida die off and diet etc. You really need to learn to listen to your own body which is a journey unto itself.

If there is one thing I have learned from my months on this list it is that if you are having difficulty at a certain dose of iodine you may feel better with less, you may feel better with more. I was as high as 100 mg at one point then the bromide hit hard but I can't take 12.5 or I feel just as horrible as I do on 100 mg just different symptoms. Right now I am working on fungal detoxing as well and iodine is antifungal and some people who feel worse may actually be going through candida die off too. So I have temporarily lowered to 25 mg M-F and none on sat and sun to keep from overloading my liver with bromide while it is loaded with candida toxins. That is working well for me and as soon as I have worked through this level of candida die off I will raise my iodoral again but I think I will definitely continue with the pulsing 5 days on and 2 days off, my body is responding to that well. I tried going down to 12.5 3 different times over all the months and clearly have found 25 mg to be my personal minimum dose but I am only 5 feet tall so for a much bigger person 50 mg may be their minimum dose.

Once my thyroiditis has completely resolved I will have to address the state of my thyroid and determine the hormone issue. I personally am not a firm believer in taking anything that requires a prescription so I will try whatever I need to before resorting to that even though it is a natural product. At this point it appears my thyroid is healing and I just started on a new diet to work on the weight now that I am starting to feel better and have lost a few pounds when I couldn't lose any even with diet and good exercise prior to the iodine and thyroiditis. In the months I have been on the list I have heard lots of success stories there are just so many new people finding the list and needing to ask questions that we hear more about the issues than the successes. Also lot of people who start to feel better go back to living their life and spend less time online in these forums. Sometimes having new symptoms appear can be scary when you are trying to get well and especially for people who have always relied on doctors. That is why we are all here there is very little that anyone may experience that someone else in the group hasn't been through.

Engtovo

Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?

Posted by: "spacejunkie2001us" scastor@... spacejunkie2001us

Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:16 am (PST)

Thanks Donna. Were you on Armour before iodine or did you go on it afterwards? Your post kind of proves my point that even with the higher doses of iodine, and being on it awhile, you still have several of the hypo symptoms. In Dr. Brownstein's book he makes reference to several patients reducing or going off hormones completely after they start iodine but I've not seen that with anyone here yet. Are there any other people here doing iodine who are NOT on any thyroid hormones?

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yep plenty of protein

Engtovo

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for a lot of us it is not about taking a pill, it is about the pill being a prescription. I don't go to doctors, can’t afford to, but if I won a lotto tomorrow I wouldn't run to a doc because I have become quite self sufficient and learn more about my own body every day. I look around the world in it's current instability and I don't want my health to be hanging by whether a prescription is available to me or not. I can stockpile various vitamins and supplements if I want but not prescription medications. I am fortunate to still have my thyroid and I will only go to meds as a last resort. All I have to do is remember the people on rooftops in New Orleans after Katrina trying to hold up signs about being diabetic with no insulin to remind me that any route you can take to homeostasis without prescriptions is always the preferred route. Some people can't avoid the prescriptions because their health issues have gone to far and so they do what they need to do, but I think we are far too quick to get the RX because it seems easier than the actual healing.

Engtovo

Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?

Posted by: "Gail A" gail_m_allen@... gail.allen

Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:55 pm (PST)

It's funny how taking a pill can sometimes feel like a moral issue -taking vitamins and minerals somehow feels like a better thing to do. Isuppose the feeling would be that the vitamins/minerals/nutritionapproach is about getting your body to work as it would do if healthy,supporting your natural self, simply feeding the body the right way.Taking the thyroid replacement feels like admitting failure, likecrossing the line between healthy and sick, strong or weak.I used to think like that. Now, having been on replacement for a fewyears, and done a lot more research about it all, I see it differently.Supporting your thryoid with replacement hormone while it is strugglingcan buy you more time to use the nutritional approach to reverse (ifpossible) the autoimmunity, or clean up the liver, or whatever the issueis. The longer you are actually hypo the more damage is being done at acellular level. Jump in early with replacement, you can stop the damage,and some people find they don't need to stay on it for life. And itlooks like it is a similar picture with Adrenal glands. People are soscared of taking cortisol because they think they will be on it forlife. But if you listen to people that are using it - it seems that itcan support you for a while and give your adrenals a chance to recover.I'm really grateful that God made people with enough intelligence tonotice that feeding people with animal thyroid gland tissue reversed alot of myxoedema symptoms because I hate to think what my quality oflife would be like otherwise.Gail

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Do any of you take Nutri-Pak Thyroid Tissue rather than Synthroid or Armouror NatureThroid? It is an OTC supplement (not classified as a drug), you can buy it here:http://www.nourishingfoods.com/nutripak-thyroid-tissue-90-tablets.htmlIt is from cow rather than porcine (pig). Just curious if there are any of you takingthis as well as Iodoral. I've read so much about iodine, including Brownstein'sbook, and so much about thryoid (including Brownstein, Broda , Mercola,and Shomon) but am still confused if iodine supports or

suppresses the thyroid! (Ie if one should be on both thyroid and iodine supplementation, especially ifone has low-normal lab results but a low basal temperature.) It seemsridiculous that I still don't feel like I understand that piece of the puzzle! If anyonecould enlighten me, I would be grateful! :0)I'm also curious if any of you are taking pregnenolone for adrenal support? I closelyfollow Dr Ray Peat and he suggests taking 10-50mg of it a day to support adrenals.He claims that excess is secreted, so there's no concern with toxicity or overdose.I know others disagree with this assessment. But I'm hearing many of you talkabout adrenal burnout, and was wondering if this was something you had tried. I take 25mg a day.http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/thyroid.shtmlhttp://raypeat.com/articles/articles/three-hormones.shtmlhttp://www.iherb.com/Allergy-Research-Group-Nutricology-Pregnenolone-50-60-Scored-Tablets/4526?at=0

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> Are there any other people here doing iodine who are NOT on any thyroid

hormones?

>

Hi, , new voice here! I went to a chiro in April 2008 for an exhaustive

list of symptoms that indicated " metabolic syndrome " . He did some amazing body

work that eliminated a lot of chronic pain, put me on a mostly plant-based diet,

told me to eliminated sugar and sugar substitutes and as much packaged and

processed foods as I could. He advised that my thryroid AND my adrenals were

out of whack, but that the primary problem was in my adrenals.

I didn't go to an ND or any other alt practitioner because I couldn't pay the

fees. So I did make the changes he suggested and made some rather radical

life-changing decisions that addressed other sources of stress. I'd gotten so

bad-off that I hated being attached to my body. I also had started doing a lot

of research before I found this chiro, and had already started making changes to

the diet. I kept up the research afterwards, too.

In Feb 2009 I was dx with breast cancer. Like Steph, that became the biggest

fire I had to put out. Now, it's a matter of everything being all linked

together, and just doing what I can with what I have to work with. I have been

prescribed all kinds of things, from pain meds and statins for high blood

pressure to whatever else you can think of. Right now, I don't take any meds.

Like you, I trust nature a lot more than the pharmaceutical companies. That

doesn't mean I would never take prescriptions, just that I'm pretty committed to

avoiding them when there are ways to heal without them.

I have NEVER had healthy hormone balance, ever. I have tried, out of

desperation, a large variety of prescribed hormones over the past 3 decades.

Every experience was disastrous for me. It's not that way for everyone - I'm

just talking about my experience, here.

I appeared to be in peri-menopause before my bilateral mastectomy in March 2009,

no chemo, etc. All menses stopped after surgery - and I can't say I was sorry.

LOL I did begin taking Iodoral 12.5mg this summer, and have finally progressed

up to 50mg for the past month. I expected detox symptoms and wasn't surprised

by them. I follow as much of the Iodine protocol as I can afford. I'm taking

things veeeery slowly because I don't have an iodine literate physician and

because I am hoping it keeps the detox from becoming too overwhelming, by going

slowly. I have done pulse dosing with the iodine when things got a bit much and

then gone back to daily dosing when I got past it. I place heavy emphasis on

helping my body cope with eliminating toxins and that seems to make a huge

difference in how much I do or don't suffer.

In the past two months I seem to be experiencing hormone modulation - menses

began again in Sept and Oct; BUT, not a whole week of PMS, debiiitating pain and

flooding during, like I'd been experiencing for 30 years. Nice, very nice and I

don't mind getting periods back, if this is what they'll be like. My skin has

changed texture for the better and my hair is no longer falling out as fast as

it was, but still responds twice a year to seasonal changes - and it grows fast,

so the hairbrush stays fairly full, as does my head so there's no problem there.

I do still get spot breakouts when a new detox issue begins and then it clears

up.

You're getting the best peer advice you could ask for on this group, but the

physician that posted a few msgs back had a good point. Steph and quite a few

others here see a physician of some kind to guide and keep track of progress.

Being healthy is an all-systems and whole-body thing, not a one- or two-sytems

thing.

My chiro suggested that addressing my adrenals would support the healing of my

thyroid. I made some sweeping changes in my life to do that. That seems to be

working for me, so far. But I can't afford to seem him, now, and I'm NOT under

the care of a doc that would really be able to tell me how I'm doing, for sure.

I'm 'shooting in the dark' and just paying very close attention to the signals

my body sends me.

IF I COULD WORK WITH A DOC, I WOULD DO SO IN AN INSTANT! That is highly

recommended on Steph's website and in all the literature you'll read, because it

is a really good idea. We can all tell our stories and offer opinions and

support, even answer a lot of questions. But none of us can substitute for a

doc who understands this stuff! Keep researching and reading, keep asking

questions, and if you can afford a physician it's a good idea to get one.

Hope this helps! D'Ann

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Doesn't sea salt have the "perfect" ratio of sodium to potassium? Should we be adding more potassium if we are taking 1/2 tsp. sea salt with the iodine and using liberally on food?

Thanks.

BarbF

In a message dated 11/11/2009 9:24:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ladybugsandbees@... writes:

I suspect that w/o knowing it the potassium in my Vit C was balancing my sodium

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Deciding to take iodine was one of the hardest decisions I have ever taken. Deciding to get married, go to university, get pregnant were not even 1/10th as hard although these events have a big impact on your life. All this was due to one thing. The idea that you are doing something "naughty"! I like to think that I am a fairly independent thinker but I am probably more conditioned to obey social conventions than I thought I was. I started iodine because I thought that if I got cancer or my health deteriorated any more my husband, although very supportive and understanding, would not be able to cope because he is self employed which in France requires 110% of your time and energy and my little boy would be

brought up being handed round to different carers who, however nice, would not offer him the continuity and stability I could. We also have no close family in this country.

Now I have freed myself from what I now consider to be a "sensibility" not based on logic, I feel a lot better and morally and physically.

I notice that people only make these kind of decisions when they feel they have nothing left to loose. In my family there are several people who would benefit from iodine treatment. But things are not serious enough for them to feel really threatened. The only person who is interested in taking iodine because he has heard about it from me is onto his third cancer!

Says a lot about human nature!

MacG.

From: Engtovo <engtovo@...>iodine Sent: Thu, 12 November, 2009 4:13:58Subject: Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?

for a lot of us it is not about taking a pill, it is about the pill being a prescription. I don't go to doctors, can’t afford to, but if I won a lotto tomorrow I wouldn't run to a doc because I have become quite self sufficient and learn more about my own body every day. I look around the world in it's current instability and I don't want my health to be hanging by whether a prescription is available to me or not. I can stockpile various vitamins and supplements if I want but not prescription medications. I am fortunate to still have my thyroid and I will only go to meds as a last resort. All I have to do is remember the people on rooftops in New Orleans after Katrina trying to hold up signs about being diabetic with no insulin to remind me that any route you can take to homeostasis without prescriptions is always the preferred route. Some people can't avoid the prescriptions because their health

issues have gone to far and so they do what they need to do, but I think we are far too quick to get the RX because it seems easier than the actual healing.

Engtovo

Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?

Posted by: "Gail A" gail_m_allen@ hotmail.com gail.allen

Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:55 pm (PST)

It's funny how taking a pill can sometimes feel like a moral issue -taking vitamins and minerals somehow feels like a better thing to do. Isuppose the feeling would be that the vitamins/minerals/ nutritionapproach is about getting your body to work as it would do if healthy,supporting your natural self, simply feeding the body the right way.Taking the thyroid replacement feels like admitting failure, likecrossing the line between healthy and sick, strong or weak.I used to think like that. Now, having been on replacement for a fewyears, and done a lot more research about it all, I see it differently.Supporting your thryoid with replacement hormone while it is strugglingcan buy you more time to use the nutritional approach to reverse (ifpossible) the autoimmunity, or clean up the liver, or whatever the issueis. The longer

you are actually hypo the more damage is being done at acellular level. Jump in early with replacement, you can stop the damage,and some people find they don't need to stay on it for life. And itlooks like it is a similar picture with Adrenal glands. People are soscared of taking cortisol because they think they will be on it forlife. But if you listen to people that are using it - it seems that itcan support you for a while and give your adrenals a chance to recover.I'm really grateful that God made people with enough intelligence tonotice that feeding people with animal thyroid gland tissue reversed alot of myxoedema symptoms because I hate to think what my quality oflife would be like otherwise.Gail