Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?

November 11, 2009

Hi,

do you salt load? at least sluggishness could be a sign of elevated serum

bromide levels. salt loading is the main weapon against high serum bromide.

>

> I started taking it about 5 months ago and really thought it could help

resolve A LOT of issues I was having, mainly weight gain, sluggishness and

constipation. I read up on it and bought Brownstein's book.

>

> I started out with 50mg/day and stayed there without missing a dosage. Early

on I began B2, B3 and Vit C. I had been taking mag malate for a few years and

recently upped my dosage of it. More recently I started taking selenium, even

though it's in my liquid vitamin.

>

> I started seeing my symptoms get worse and my cycle went absolutely haywire

where it has been very normal for years and years. Especially problemsome (is

that a word? is the weight gain and constipation.

>

> Friday was the last day I took 50mg and went 2 days with taking none. Then for

the last 2 days I took 12.5mg. I've had a 'cramp' in my upper chest (like it's

my thyroid swelling or something)and just a general unease.

>

> I don't know which way to go. I feel like I'm pushing myself right into taking

the hormone and I started taking iodine specifically so I would NOT have to do

that!

>

> I read here that many are having the same problems as me so it seems the

iodine is having an opposite effect from what we thought it would do.

>

> I kinda feel like I'm going nuts here and would love some help.

>

November 11, 2009

We know that the companion nutrients are needed to make iodine effective. So maybe as you added them it started to work by kicking out toxins and beginning to be used by the thyroid. Your thyroid is in your neck not your chest so you comment about swelling and thyroid doesn't make sense to me. It is normal for your hormones to go "whacky" when taking iodoral as ever gland and mucosal lining use iodine (adrenals, ovaries, uterus - all control sex hormones).

Here are the dosage recommendations:

Magnesium 400 mgs

Vit C 3,000 - 5,000 mgs

Selenium 200 - 400 mcg

Unrefined salt 1/2 tsp + using liberally on food.

Other beneficial things I have found:

Kroeger Herbs Sunny A - 25,000 iU from fish and carrots

BalanCe - www.vrp.com a vit C supplement containing Vit C, Potassium, Magnesium, Calcium I feel best taking 1-2 scoops 2x per day (I have to work up to that amount for bowel tolerance)

B6 Complex - I take Pure Encapsulations

Keep in mind most of us are HIGHLY toxic and when you get things moving you will get a healing crisis. I have lived them for years as I work on each new thing. You are always a work in process.

Am I right or wrong about iodine?

I started taking it about 5 months ago and really thought it could help resolve A LOT of issues I was having, mainly weight gain, sluggishness and constipation. I read up on it and bought Brownstein's book.I started out with 50mg/day and stayed there without missing a dosage. Early on I began B2, B3 and Vit C. I had been taking mag malate for a few years and recently upped my dosage of it. More recently I started taking selenium, even though it's in my liquid vitamin.I started seeing my symptoms get worse and my cycle went absolutely haywire where it has been very normal for years and years. Especially problemsome (is that a word? is the weight gain and constipation.Friday was the last day I took 50mg and went 2 days with taking none. Then for the last 2 days I took 12.5mg. I've had a 'cramp' in my upper chest (like it's my thyroid swelling or something)and just a general unease.I don't know which way to go. I feel like I'm pushing myself right into taking the hormone and I started taking iodine specifically so I would NOT have to do that!I read here that many are having the same problems as me so it seems the iodine is having an opposite effect from what we thought it would do.I kinda feel like I'm going nuts here and would love some help.

November 11, 2009

you may need thyroid meds, and/or you may need more than 50mg Iodoral.

gracia

spacejunkie2001us wrote:

>

> I started taking it about 5 months ago and really thought it could

> help resolve A LOT of issues I was having, mainly weight gain,

> sluggishness and constipation. I read up on it and bought Brownstein's

> book.

>

> I started out with 50mg/day and stayed there without missing a dosage.

> Early on I began B2, B3 and Vit C. I had been taking mag malate for a

> few years and recently upped my dosage of it. More recently I started

> taking selenium, even though it's in my liquid vitamin.

>

> I started seeing my symptoms get worse and my cycle went absolutely

> haywire where it has been very normal for years and years. Especially

> problemsome (is that a word? is the weight gain and constipation.

>

> Friday was the last day I took 50mg and went 2 days with taking none.

> Then for the last 2 days I took 12.5mg. I've had a 'cramp' in my upper

> chest (like it's my thyroid swelling or something)and just a general

> unease.

>

> I don't know which way to go. I feel like I'm pushing myself right

> into taking the hormone and I started taking iodine specifically so I

> would NOT have to do that!

>

> I read here that many are having the same problems as me so it seems

> the iodine is having an opposite effect from what we thought it would do.

>

> I kinda feel like I'm going nuts here and would love some help.

>

November 11, 2009

I had been salting but I started feeling worse. Then I read that you have to do

potassium if you salt so I started doing black strap molasses (because I read

that supplementing potassium isn't a good idea). Then I started having real

discomfort in my spleen area.

It's difficult to continue these things when you feel worse. It's contra

indicative and hard to justify. I do know that detoxing can make you feel worse

before better, often, but I was just getting progressively worse.

> >

> > I started taking it about 5 months ago and really thought it could help

resolve A LOT of issues I was having, mainly weight gain, sluggishness and

constipation. I read up on it and bought Brownstein's book.

> >

> > I started out with 50mg/day and stayed there without missing a dosage.

Early on I began B2, B3 and Vit C. I had been taking mag malate for a few years

and recently upped my dosage of it. More recently I started taking selenium,

even though it's in my liquid vitamin.

> >

> > I started seeing my symptoms get worse and my cycle went absolutely haywire

where it has been very normal for years and years. Especially problemsome (is

that a word? is the weight gain and constipation.

> >

> > Friday was the last day I took 50mg and went 2 days with taking none. Then

for the last 2 days I took 12.5mg. I've had a 'cramp' in my upper chest (like

it's my thyroid swelling or something)and just a general unease.

> >

> > I don't know which way to go. I feel like I'm pushing myself right into

taking the hormone and I started taking iodine specifically so I would NOT have

to do that!

> >

> > I read here that many are having the same problems as me so it seems the

iodine is having an opposite effect from what we thought it would do.

> >

> > I kinda feel like I'm going nuts here and would love some help.

> >

>

November 11, 2009

It was/is really a tighting in the lower neck, basically where the collar bone

is. It's not chest I can feel the tightness in the very upper part and lower

neck.

I think I'm just having a hard time reconciling that all of the hypo thyroid

symptoms got so much worse after starting iodine and no one here could really

say they've been on it for X months or years and that all went away and now they

feel great. I haven't been a member all that long so I'm certainly not trying to

disparage the board, I'm just not seeing any real anecdotal evidence that your

thyroid really starts working optimally after taking x mg for x time.

I guess I'll continue on the 12.5mg of iodine (although I may quit altogether)

and just do all the other supplements to build that up.

>

> We know that the companion nutrients are needed to make iodine effective. So

maybe as you added them it started to work by kicking out toxins and beginning

to be used by the thyroid. Your thyroid is in your neck not your chest so you

comment about swelling and thyroid doesn't make sense to me. It is normal for

your hormones to go " whacky " when taking iodoral as ever gland and mucosal

lining use iodine (adrenals, ovaries, uterus - all control sex hormones).

>

> Here are the dosage recommendations:

>

> Magnesium 400 mgs

> Vit C 3,000 - 5,000 mgs

> Selenium 200 - 400 mcg

> Unrefined salt 1/2 tsp + using liberally on food.

>

> Other beneficial things I have found:

>

> Kroeger Herbs Sunny A - 25,000 iU from fish and carrots

> BalanCe - www.vrp.com a vit C supplement containing Vit C, Potassium,

Magnesium, Calcium I feel best taking 1-2 scoops 2x per day (I have to work up

to that amount for bowel tolerance)

> B6 Complex - I take Pure Encapsulations

>

> Keep in mind most of us are HIGHLY toxic and when you get things moving you

will get a healing crisis. I have lived them for years as I work on each new

thing. You are always a work in process.

>

> Am I right or wrong about iodine?

>

> I started taking it about 5 months ago and really thought it could help

resolve A LOT of issues I was having, mainly weight gain, sluggishness and

constipation. I read up on it and bought Brownstein's book.

>

> I started out with 50mg/day and stayed there without missing a dosage. Early

on I began B2, B3 and Vit C. I had been taking mag malate for a few years and

recently upped my dosage of it. More recently I started taking selenium, even

though it's in my liquid vitamin.

>

> I started seeing my symptoms get worse and my cycle went absolutely haywire

where it has been very normal for years and years. Especially problemsome (is

that a word? is the weight gain and constipation.

>

> Friday was the last day I took 50mg and went 2 days with taking none. Then

for the last 2 days I took 12.5mg. I've had a 'cramp' in my upper chest (like

it's my thyroid swelling or something)and just a general unease.

>

> I don't know which way to go. I feel like I'm pushing myself right into

taking the hormone and I started taking iodine specifically so I would NOT have

to do that!

>

> I read here that many are having the same problems as me so it seems the

iodine is having an opposite effect from what we thought it would do.

>

> I kinda feel like I'm going nuts here and would love some help.

>

November 11, 2009

It's one thing to feel bad and another to feel worse. If you are worse then back off or pulse dose by taking a few days off and then going back to it. I suspect that w/o knowing it the potassium in my Vit C was balancing my sodium. Although potassium is not part of the iodine doc's protocol.

Steph

Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?

I had been salting but I started feeling worse. Then I read that you have to do potassium if you salt so I started doing black strap molasses (because I read that supplementing potassium isn't a good idea). Then I started having real discomfort in my spleen area.It's difficult to continue these things when you feel worse. It's contra indicative and hard to justify. I do know that detoxing can make you feel worse before better, often, but I was just getting progressively worse.

November 11, 2009

Spacejunkie,

I started iorodal in February and although I am going through a bromide detox

and possibly stressed adrenals, I feel soooo much better taking the iodoral.

The detoxes can be hard. My first after a month on 50mg and all supps was sinus

and then ovaries and then stomach. My thyroid felt that it had tightened and I

felt pressure but that soon stopped and my goitre reduced in size. My breasts

then softened up. I don't suffer from any sinus problems anymore, my cycle is

better than it has ever been (no pain and less heavy) and my metabolism has sped

up. I stopped taking synthetic T4 in 2004 so I am on no thyroid meds. I am

hypoT (no hashis) with a nodule on my thyroid. I had cystic breasts, fibroids

and classic hypoT symptoms. I suffered from constant migranes around my

periods. Last year I literally came to a standstill and lost the will to

function.

I am now have energy again to keep up with my little six year old. I am

renovating the house and feeling good. I am not perfect yet but I believe this

will take time. I will now take iodine for the rest of my life as I feel how

important it is for my body.

My bromide detox is not nice but I know it is the best thing for my body. My

adrenals are weak but I do not want to take HC for them and would rather use

adrenal supps which mean I need to be super careful how quickly I detox.

Have you been tested for Hashi's, as sometimes smaller amounts of iodine racks

more havoc on your body if you suffer from Hashi's then just being hypoT?

Hope this helps

>

> It was/is really a tighting in the lower neck, basically where the collar bone

is. It's not chest I can feel the tightness in the very upper part and lower

neck.

>

> I think I'm just having a hard time reconciling that all of the hypo thyroid

symptoms got so much worse after starting iodine and no one here could really

say they've been on it for X months or years and that all went away and now they

feel great. I haven't been a member all that long so I'm certainly not trying to

disparage the board, I'm just not seeing any real anecdotal evidence that your

thyroid really starts working optimally after taking x mg for x time.

>

> I guess I'll continue on the 12.5mg of iodine (although I may quit altogether)

and just do all the other supplements to build that up.

>

November 11, 2009

Have you read the detox lists? Many of the symptoms you are

listing are detox. There have been many people that have reported feeling much

better, but there is also the healing crisis.

I have been taking 50 mg for just over a year now. I feel much

better, have lots more energy, not so jumpy, can handle loud noise better –

I think that has more to do with the magnesium part of it – my hair

stopped falling out, not so cold all the time, sleeping better. However, since

the change in Armour, I have gained even more weight, my nails are starting to

break below the bed again, my skin is dryer, so I need to see someone to get on

another product.

Remember, you are feeding and nourishing your body, and working

to heal it. That takes time, and working through detox symptoms and the whole

balancing issue. It is not an overnight, make you feel great immediately thing.

That is what allopathic specializes in – covering the symptoms so you

feel good, even if there is no real healing of the problem. That is why people

under allopathic are on long term, most likely lifetime treatment. So if our

healing takes time, at least we have the hope of getting better, maybe not perfect,

but we don’t have that hope at all with allopathic.

Donna in IL

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of spacejunkie2001us

Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:20 AM

iodine

Subject: Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?

It was/is really a tighting in the lower neck,

basically where the collar bone is. It's not chest I can feel the tightness in

the very upper part and lower neck.

I think I'm just having a hard time reconciling that all of the hypo thyroid

symptoms got so much worse after starting iodine and no one here could really

say they've been on it for X months or years and that all went away and now

they feel great. I haven't been a member all that long so I'm certainly not

trying to disparage the board, I'm just not seeing any real anecdotal evidence

that your thyroid really starts working optimally after taking x mg for x time.

I guess I'll continue on the 12.5mg of iodine (although I may quit altogether)

and just do all the other supplements to build that up.

>

> We know that the companion nutrients are needed to make iodine effective.

So maybe as you added them it started to work by kicking out toxins and

beginning to be used by the thyroid. Your thyroid is in your neck not your

chest so you comment about swelling and thyroid doesn't make sense to me. It is

normal for your hormones to go " whacky " when taking iodoral as ever

gland and mucosal lining use iodine (adrenals, ovaries, uterus - all control

sex hormones).

>

> Here are the dosage recommendations:

>

> Magnesium 400 mgs

> Vit C 3,000 - 5,000 mgs

> Selenium 200 - 400 mcg

> Unrefined salt 1/2 tsp + using liberally on food.

>

> Other beneficial things I have found:

>

> Kroeger Herbs Sunny A - 25,000 iU from fish and carrots

> BalanCe - www.vrp.com a vit C supplement containing Vit C, Potassium,

Magnesium, Calcium I feel best taking 1-2 scoops 2x per day (I have to work up

to that amount for bowel tolerance)

> B6 Complex - I take Pure Encapsulations

>

> Keep in mind most of us are HIGHLY toxic and when you get things moving

you will get a healing crisis. I have lived them for years as I work on each

new thing. You are always a work in process.

>

> Am I right or wrong about iodine?

>

> I started taking it about 5 months ago and really thought it could help

resolve A LOT of issues I was having, mainly weight gain, sluggishness and

constipation. I read up on it and bought Brownstein's book.

>

> I started out with 50mg/day and stayed there without missing a dosage.

Early on I began B2, B3 and Vit C. I had been taking mag malate for a few years

and recently upped my dosage of it. More recently I started taking selenium,

even though it's in my liquid vitamin.

>

> I started seeing my symptoms get worse and my cycle went absolutely

haywire where it has been very normal for years and years. Especially

problemsome (is that a word? is the weight gain and constipation.

>

> Friday was the last day I took 50mg and went 2 days with taking none. Then

for the last 2 days I took 12.5mg. I've had a 'cramp' in my upper chest (like

it's my thyroid swelling or something)and just a general unease.

>

> I don't know which way to go. I feel like I'm pushing myself right into

taking the hormone and I started taking iodine specifically so I would NOT have

to do that!

>

> I read here that many are having the same problems as me so it seems the

iodine is having an opposite effect from what we thought it would do.

>

> I kinda feel like I'm going nuts here and would love some help.

>

November 11, 2009

I think I feel bad, but not necessarily worse, just different-bad. The

discomfort in my spleen, the " swelling(?) " in my neck and the CRAZY cycle

problems are not things I dealt with before iodine. But, while on the 50mg

dosage, I think I was more alert, less depressed, hair seems to be growing back

pretty well.

Different symptoms than before iodine but concerning because they're biggies and

I guess my mind tends to think I'm actually causing it by doing what I'm doing,

whereas prior to that, it just 'was'.

I'm certain I sound like I'm babbling but I don't feel certain about my course

and so I feel like I'm all over the map on this.

>

November 11, 2009

Have you done any lab testing... like iodine saturation, thyroid hormones,

liver, kidney, bromide and other toxic substances?

I would not say that iodine is a fat burner, because it helps the thyroid to

work in normal ways, which could result in weight gain if a person was hyper. if

a person was hypo it could help with weight loss.

To me your symptoms sound like you have another problem like not being able to

excrete the bad stuff. problems with liver and/or kidney could be responsible,

but this is just a hypothesis, and I am not a doctor. If kidney problems are the

case, salt loading and high potassium intake would be bad for the kidney. If

this is the cause for your spleen pain, I do not know.

I would try to stop everything you are taking for a few days, drink A LOT water

to help the kidneys, and see what happens. While beeing " off " , you could also

add supplements that help kidney and liver, and see if it helps. I would also

visit a doctor because this sounds like there is something else going on in your

system that you should check asap.

Please keep us informed of your progress!

> > >

> > > I started taking it about 5 months ago and really thought it could help

resolve A LOT of issues I was having, mainly weight gain, sluggishness and

constipation. I read up on it and bought Brownstein's book.

> > >

> > > I started out with 50mg/day and stayed there without missing a dosage.

Early on I began B2, B3 and Vit C. I had been taking mag malate for a few years

and recently upped my dosage of it. More recently I started taking selenium,

even though it's in my liquid vitamin.

> > >

> > > I started seeing my symptoms get worse and my cycle went absolutely

haywire where it has been very normal for years and years. Especially

problemsome (is that a word? is the weight gain and constipation.

> > >

> > > Friday was the last day I took 50mg and went 2 days with taking none. Then

for the last 2 days I took 12.5mg. I've had a 'cramp' in my upper chest (like

it's my thyroid swelling or something)and just a general unease.

> > >

> > > I don't know which way to go. I feel like I'm pushing myself right into

taking the hormone and I started taking iodine specifically so I would NOT have

to do that!

> > >

> > > I read here that many are having the same problems as me so it seems the

iodine is having an opposite effect from what we thought it would do.

> > >

> > > I kinda feel like I'm going nuts here and would love some help.

> > >

> >

>

November 11, 2009

Thanks Donna. Were you on Armour before iodine or did you go on it afterwards?

Your post kind of proves my point that even with the higher doses of iodine, and

being on it awhile, you still have several of the hypo symptoms. In Dr.

Brownstein's book he makes reference to several patients reducing or going off

hormones completely after they start iodine but I've not seen that with anyone

here yet.

Are there any other people here doing iodine who are NOT on any thyroid

hormones?

> >

> > We know that the companion nutrients are needed to make iodine effective. So

maybe as you added them it started to work by kicking out toxins and beginning

to be used by the thyroid. Your thyroid is in your neck not your chest so you

comment about swelling and thyroid doesn't make sense to me. It is normal for

your hormones to go " whacky " when taking iodoral as ever gland and mucosal

lining use iodine (adrenals, ovaries, uterus - all control sex hormones).

> >

> > Here are the dosage recommendations:

> >

> > Magnesium 400 mgs

> > Vit C 3,000 - 5,000 mgs

> > Selenium 200 - 400 mcg

> > Unrefined salt 1/2 tsp + using liberally on food.

> >

> > Other beneficial things I have found:

> >

> > Kroeger Herbs Sunny A - 25,000 iU from fish and carrots

> > BalanCe - www.vrp.com a vit C supplement containing Vit C, Potassium,

Magnesium, Calcium I feel best taking 1-2 scoops 2x per day (I have to work up

to that amount for bowel tolerance)

> > B6 Complex - I take Pure Encapsulations

> >

> > Keep in mind most of us are HIGHLY toxic and when you get things moving you

will get a healing crisis. I have lived them for years as I work on each new

thing. You are always a work in process.

> >

> > Am I right or wrong about iodine?

> >

> > I started taking it about 5 months ago and really thought it could help

resolve A LOT of issues I was having, mainly weight gain, sluggishness and

constipation. I read up on it and bought Brownstein's book.

> >

> > I started out with 50mg/day and stayed there without missing a dosage. Early

on I began B2, B3 and Vit C. I had been taking mag malate for a few years and

recently upped my dosage of it. More recently I started taking selenium, even

though it's in my liquid vitamin.

> >

> > I started seeing my symptoms get worse and my cycle went absolutely haywire

where it has been very normal for years and years. Especially problemsome (is

that a word? is the weight gain and constipation.

> >

> > Friday was the last day I took 50mg and went 2 days with taking none. Then

for the last 2 days I took 12.5mg. I've had a 'cramp' in my upper chest (like

it's my thyroid swelling or something)and just a general unease.

> >

> > I don't know which way to go. I feel like I'm pushing myself right into

taking the hormone and I started taking iodine specifically so I would NOT have

to do that!

> >

> > I read here that many are having the same problems as me so it seems the

iodine is having an opposite effect from what we thought it would do.

> >

> > I kinda feel like I'm going nuts here and would love some help.

> >

>

> ________________________________

>

November 11, 2009

I am on iodine and I was slight hypo, the symptoms were severe... like not

getting out of bed, being tired all day, needed to take a nap every day, slow

thinking etc. Thats now all gone and more. I would not miss iodine for anything

in the world, personally. I still have bromide detox issues, but they will go

away eventually. I am not doing any thyroid medication.

> > >

> > > We know that the companion nutrients are needed to make iodine effective.

So maybe as you added them it started to work by kicking out toxins and

beginning to be used by the thyroid. Your thyroid is in your neck not your chest

so you comment about swelling and thyroid doesn't make sense to me. It is normal

for your hormones to go " whacky " when taking iodoral as ever gland and mucosal

lining use iodine (adrenals, ovaries, uterus - all control sex hormones).

> > >

> > > Here are the dosage recommendations:

> > >

> > > Magnesium 400 mgs

> > > Vit C 3,000 - 5,000 mgs

> > > Selenium 200 - 400 mcg

> > > Unrefined salt 1/2 tsp + using liberally on food.

> > >

> > > Other beneficial things I have found:

> > >

> > > Kroeger Herbs Sunny A - 25,000 iU from fish and carrots

> > > BalanCe - www.vrp.com a vit C supplement containing Vit C, Potassium,

Magnesium, Calcium I feel best taking 1-2 scoops 2x per day (I have to work up

to that amount for bowel tolerance)

> > > B6 Complex - I take Pure Encapsulations

> > >

> > > Keep in mind most of us are HIGHLY toxic and when you get things moving

you will get a healing crisis. I have lived them for years as I work on each new

thing. You are always a work in process.

> > >

> > > Am I right or wrong about iodine?

> > >

> > > I started taking it about 5 months ago and really thought it could help

resolve A LOT of issues I was having, mainly weight gain, sluggishness and

constipation. I read up on it and bought Brownstein's book.

> > >

> > > I started out with 50mg/day and stayed there without missing a dosage.

Early on I began B2, B3 and Vit C. I had been taking mag malate for a few years

and recently upped my dosage of it. More recently I started taking selenium,

even though it's in my liquid vitamin.

> > >

> > > I started seeing my symptoms get worse and my cycle went absolutely

haywire where it has been very normal for years and years. Especially

problemsome (is that a word? is the weight gain and constipation.

> > >

> > > Friday was the last day I took 50mg and went 2 days with taking none. Then

for the last 2 days I took 12.5mg. I've had a 'cramp' in my upper chest (like

it's my thyroid swelling or something)and just a general unease.

> > >

> > > I don't know which way to go. I feel like I'm pushing myself right into

taking the hormone and I started taking iodine specifically so I would NOT have

to do that!

> > >

> > > I read here that many are having the same problems as me so it seems the

iodine is having an opposite effect from what we thought it would do.

> > >

> > > I kinda feel like I'm going nuts here and would love some help.

> > >

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

>

November 11, 2009

From: spacejunkie2001us

>Thanks Donna. Were you on Armour before iodine or did you go on it

>afterwards? Your post kind of proves my point that even with the higher

> >doses of iodine, and being on it awhile, you still have several of the

>hypo symptoms. In Dr. Brownstein's book he makes reference to several .

>patients reducing or going off hormones completely after they start iodine

>but I've not seen that with anyone here yet.

>Are there any other people here doing iodine who are NOT on any thyroid

>hormones?

I am taking iodine, the only reason being that after a lot of study I agreed

the body requires it.

I'm still not convinced on amount, mainly due to bromide being illegal here

(Canada) in food products and on

a good natural diet for over a year. I " may " settle on 12mg/day as body

sufficiency.

When I start others on iodine I play safe, max 2-5 mg/day and let them make

their own decisions after studying the issue for themselves.

So far haven't found a dr here aware of doing loading tests...working on

that.

I'm very cautious on attributing every symptom to detox and upping dose,

though in a lot of cases that applies. I did once for headaches and it was

candida, not detox.

Being a Creationist my question would be what amount would we get from a

natural diet where the soil levels are normal, not how much the Japanese

get...

Bruce

November 11, 2009

Hi Spacejunkie (sorry I don't know your real name):

I have a question for you, is there a reason you don't want to go on any thyroid medication? I had so many hypo/Hashi symptoms that have cleared up once being on Armour (the old armour was much better). I am on a compounded thyroid med right now.

Since being dx with Hashi's over 4 yrs. ago, I figured I would have to be on thyroid meds the rest of my life. I started on a low dose (12.5mgs.) of iodoral on the suggestion of my holistic doctor. I now take that, but add another 1/2 of pill every other day. My worse bromide detox symtom is acne on my face, especially on my cheeks and hairline. When I have tried to raise the dose higher in the past, I would feel very depressed. I figure it is better for me to take a low dose of Iodoral than not get any at all. I also take the companion nutrients plus celtic sea salt.

I have been able to reduce my thyroid meds from 180mgs. to 90 mgs. I am not judging you, but just wondered why you have chosen not to go the thyroid med route. Is there something I am missing in thinking that it is o.k. to be on these meds for an extended period of time?

November 11, 2009

space junkie wrote:

> Are there any other people here doing iodine who are NOT on any thyroid

hormones?

>

I am taking 50 mg Iodoral and have never taken thyroid hormone. While I have

many hypo symptoms my tests always come back in mid to upper range normal. Yes

normal my ND is very sensitive to out of range numbers on his radar. I noticed

with in 2 days of taking 50 mg that I am MUCH warmer. I'm still tired but I have

severe anemia and I think this will take time. My ND thinks that after taking

iodine for awhile he will not be surprised to see my labs show hypo numbers

since my thyroid will not over compensate and we'll see a much more reasonable

thyroid output. I don't know if that's true but that's his summation. I won't

freak out if I start showing hypo in the labs. BTW right before I started taking

Iodoral my TSH came back hyper! I had no symptoms, so I think our thyroids can

do strange things. All I know is that I AM losing weight (slowly), and I am

warmer. No other detox symptoms but I have some chronic things still going that

I had before and with Iodoral.

November 11, 2009

I was not on thyroid hormones for over six months. This is because I was taking synthetic T4 and it was feeding my RT3 problem. So I stopped and I survived on iodine alone. However, I think the selenium in the protocol was aggravating my RT3 problem too so in the end I tried T3 and have decided to give it a long term trial. My RT3 symptoms are improved. Since I have taken iodine there have been lots of improvements in my breasts and cycle problems. I can now produce enough T4 to fall within the limits of a blood test. It's probably not enough but it's an improvement. I am trying to get my hashi anti-bodies down as well. I definately feel warmer too and the brain fog disappeared pretty quick.It didn't solve all my problems but having a

clear brain is a good start.

MacG.

From: Karin <krmaya@...>iodine Sent: Wed, 11 November, 2009 18:34:02Subject: Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?

space junkie wrote:> Are there any other people here doing iodine who are NOT on any thyroid hormones?> I am taking 50 mg Iodoral and have never taken thyroid hormone. While I have many hypo symptoms my tests always come back in mid to upper range normal. Yes normal my ND is very sensitive to out of range numbers on his radar. I noticed with in 2 days of taking 50 mg that I am MUCH warmer. I'm still tired but I have severe anemia and I think this will take time. My ND thinks that after taking iodine for awhile he will not be surprised to see my labs show hypo numbers since my thyroid will not over compensate and we'll see a much more reasonable thyroid output. I don't know if that's true but that's his summation. I won't freak out if I start showing hypo in the labs. BTW right before I started taking Iodoral my TSH came back hyper! I had no symptoms, so I think our thyroids can do strange things. All I know is that I AM

losing weight (slowly), and I am warmer. No other detox symptoms but I have some chronic things still going that I had before and with Iodoral.

November 11, 2009

Im not on thyroid hormones. I would rather not be on them.

I think you have to find your balance that will be minimal detox issues with

enough iodine to continue to detox, achieve sufficency and remove bad

antibodies.

If there is major intense pain I dont think that balance has been found.

Increasing mag has helped me alot. The Rodiola e I started 3 days ago seems

to be helping. Adrenal problems seems to be alot of peoples pain/detox issues

and needs to be addressed, too. Selenium 2x day might be helping.I feel alot

better than i did when I started to majorly detox which caused me to change my

mag, c, salt, water intake.

The more intense detox may produce a faster recovery. Still takes time. But

slow and steady detox will also produce recovery. Just takes longer.

I dont think its a good idea to totally go off the iodine. A lower dosage(15mg)

wont send the body into thinking there is a new shortage like having none might.

(Thats my thought). 50mg heals faster. And 100mg is a must for the severely sick

and toxic body.

Cheryl

November 11, 2009

Hi there,What brand iodine are you taking? I ask this because when I first began taking iodine, I went to the health food store and got some, thinking it would do. It did not work at all. Later on, I found out that most of the iodines in the health food stores are virtually worthless. I then read about lugol's iodine. However, the FDA ran Greg Caton out of the country. They set up shop again in a South American country. So, I then turned to using kelp. This seemed to help some. I also read about iodoral. That iodine is supposed to be good. However, to get the same effect as lugol's you have to take twice as much. Or so I have been told.Other in this group probably have much more experience with other iodines that can be effective. But if you are using iodine, it needs to be a kind of iodine that is potent

enough to do the job.Regards, BastidaFrom: spacejunkie2001us <scastor@...>Subject: Am I right or wrong about iodine?iodine Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 6:07 AM

I started taking it about 5 months ago and really thought it could help resolve A LOT of issues I was having, mainly weight gain, sluggishness and constipation. I read up on it and bought Brownstein's book.

I started out with 50mg/day and stayed there without missing a dosage. Early on I began B2, B3 and Vit C. I had been taking mag malate for a few years and recently upped my dosage of it. More recently I started taking selenium, even though it's in my liquid vitamin.

I started seeing my symptoms get worse and my cycle went absolutely haywire where it has been very normal for years and years. Especially problemsome (is that a word? is the weight gain and constipation.

Friday was the last day I took 50mg and went 2 days with taking none. Then for the last 2 days I took 12.5mg. I've had a 'cramp' in my upper chest (like it's my thyroid swelling or something)and just a general unease.

I don't know which way to go. I feel like I'm pushing myself right into taking the hormone and I started taking iodine specifically so I would NOT have to do that!

I read here that many are having the same problems as me so it seems the iodine is having an opposite effect from what we thought it would do.

I kinda feel like I'm going nuts here and would love some help.

November 11, 2009

I like it...good advice.

>

> From: spacejunkie2001us

> >Thanks Donna. Were you on Armour before iodine or did you go on it

> >afterwards? Your post kind of proves my point that even with the higher

> > >doses of iodine, and being on it awhile, you still have several of the

> >hypo symptoms. In Dr. Brownstein's book he makes reference to several .

> >patients reducing or going off hormones completely after they start iodine

> >but I've not seen that with anyone here yet.

>

> >Are there any other people here doing iodine who are NOT on any thyroid

> >hormones?

>

> I am taking iodine, the only reason being that after a lot of study I agreed

> the body requires it.

> I'm still not convinced on amount, mainly due to bromide being illegal here

> (Canada) in food products and on

> a good natural diet for over a year. I " may " settle on 12mg/day as body

> sufficiency.

>

> When I start others on iodine I play safe, max 2-5 mg/day and let them make

> their own decisions after studying the issue for themselves.

> So far haven't found a dr here aware of doing loading tests...working on

> that.

> I'm very cautious on attributing every symptom to detox and upping dose,

> though in a lot of cases that applies. I did once for headaches and it was

> candida, not detox.

> Being a Creationist my question would be what amount would we get from a

> natural diet where the soil levels are normal, not how much the Japanese

> get...

>

> Bruce

>

November 11, 2009

Hi ,

I'm

I am trying to avoid going on a lifelong medication. In my simple mind I was

hoping to actually SOLVE my issue naturally as opposed to 'medicating'. I have

no idea if I'm looking at it right or not. I have slightly elevated cholesterol

too and I refuse to take a statin.

Rebel at heart, I suppose, and since I believe God made us capable of healing

ourselves I'm trying to hold out as long as I can on going the 'pill' route.

>

> Hi Spacejunkie (sorry I don't know your real name):

> I have a question for you, is there a reason you don't want to go on any

thyroid medication?Â I had so many hypo/Hashi symptoms that have cleared up

once being on Armour (the old armour was much better).Â I am on a compounded

thyroid med right now.

> Since being dx with Hashi's over 4 yrs. ago, IÂ figured I would have to be on

thyroid meds the rest of my life.Â I started on a low dose (12.5mgs.) of

iodoral on the suggestion of my holistic doctor.Â I now take that, but add

another 1/2 of pill every other day.Â My worse bromide detox symtom is acne on

my face, especially on my cheeks and hairline.Â When I have tried to raise the

dose higher in the past, I would feel very depressed.Â I figure it is better

for me to take a low dose of Iodoral than not get any at all.Â I also take the

companion nutrients plus celtic sea salt.

> I have been able to reduce my thyroid meds from 180mgs. to 90 mgs.Â I am not

judging you, butÂ just wondered why you have chosen not to go the thyroid med

route.Â Is there something I am missing in thinking that it is o.k. to be on

these meds for an extended period of time?

>

November 11, 2009

<<Thanks

Donna. Were you on Armour before iodine or did you go on it afterwards? Your

post kind of proves my point that even with the higher doses of iodine, and

being on it awhile, you still have several of the hypo symptoms. In Dr. Brownstein's book he makes reference to

several patients reducing or going off hormones completely after they start

iodine but I've not seen that with anyone here yet.

Are there any other people here doing iodine who are NOT on any thyroid

hormones?<<

I have been on Armour

Thyroid for 14 years. I improved even more on iodine also. The point you missed

is that it was the change in Armour Thyroid’s formulation that brought

back my hypo symptoms, not the iodine. Boy, if I wasn’t on the iodine

when they changed Armour, I can’t imagine what I would be like. Before I

started on Armour, I was sleeping 14 hours a day, and I had 3 young children (9

mos to 4 years) and was expecting. Try to get anything done while sleeping

most of the day!

While Dr.

Brownstein refers to some patients lowering or going off completely, he never

states that that will be the case for everyone. It also takes time for healing.

They say for every year you have had problems, it takes at least 1 month for

healing. So if I had thyroid problems for 6 years before I was diagnosed, then

I have 20 years of problems, so I need to allow at least 20 months of healing,

which have not come about yet. I don’t mind taking Armour continuously.

It made me able to function. I was never on a high dose, but was much improved with

iodine. If the iodine helps me to eventually lower the dose, that will be fine,

but I won’t quit taking iodine if I can’t lower it. Too many other

things in the body need the iodine, and all around I am better.

Donna in IL

November 11, 2009

Are you aware that elevated cholesterol is a sign of hypothyroidism?

Have you looked at my full list of thyroid supporting nutrients on my website? www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

Steph

Re: Am I right or wrong about iodine?

Hi ,I'm :)I am trying to avoid going on a lifelong medication. In my simple mind I was hoping to actually SOLVE my issue naturally as opposed to 'medicating'. I have no idea if I'm looking at it right or not. I have slightly elevated cholesterol too and I refuse to take a statin. Rebel at heart, I suppose, and since I believe God made us capable of healing ourselves I'm trying to hold out as long as I can on going the 'pill' route.>> > > > > > > > Hi Spacejunkie (sorry I don't know your real name):> I have a question for you, is there a reason you don't want to go on any thyroid medication?Â I had so many hypo/Hashi symptoms that have cleared up once being on Armour (the old armour was much better).Â I am on a compounded thyroid med right now.> Since being dx with Hashi's over 4 yrs. ago, IÂ figured I would have to be on thyroid meds the rest of my life.Â I started on a low dose (12.5mgs.) of iodoral on the suggestion of my holistic doctor.Â I now take that, but add another 1/2 of pill every other day.Â My worse bromide detox symtom is acne on my face, especially on my cheeks and hairline.Â When I have tried to raise the dose higher in the past, I would feel very depressed.Â I figure it is better for me to take a low dose of Iodoral than not get any at all.Â I also take the companion nutrients plus celtic sea salt.> I have been able to reduce my thyroid meds from 180mgs. to 90 mgs.Â I am not judging you, butÂ just wondered why you have chosen not to go the thyroid med route.Â Is there something I am missing in thinking that it is o.k. to be on these meds for an extended period of time?> >

November 11, 2009

thanks Karin...all these posts to me are very helpful (I know there's a couple I

still need to respond to). It's really helping me get clarity on which direction

I should go.

>

> > Are there any other people here doing iodine who are NOT on any thyroid

hormones?

> >

>

> I am taking 50 mg Iodoral and have never taken thyroid hormone. While I have