Guest guest Posted March 30, 2001 Report Share Posted March 30, 2001 After 1 1/2 years of being part of this group and suffering over 7 attacks... I done an exhaustive search in an effort to cure my gb problems without surgury. I had initial success with the flushes, but six months later I had additional symptoms and attacks. I believe that through this group and extensive research on the internet... and yes, God's grace... I may be completely cured of my gb problems. For those of you who co0ntinue to suffer... I belive it is important to first identify if you have calcium stones or cholestorol stones. Most of us have cholestorol stones that often do not show up on the ultrasound, but hurt like the dickens! More than 80% of all stones are cholestorol stones. I do not have the cure for calcium stones, but perhaps breakstone tea helps... For cholestorol stones I am convinced that three things will significantly cure you and it is NOT avoiding certain " alergic " foods. I too had many foods that were taken off my list when I suffered gb problems. Pasta, tomatoes, chocolate, etc. caused significant indigestion. Now I eat everything... except dairy with NO problems... The cure... I said it before... but now more convinced... Granulated LECITHIN. For the past 5 months I have been taking a tablespoon of granulated Lecithin each morning in an ounce of oj and some flax seed oil. I feel terrific, lots of energy and am regular again. Most of all... there is NO gnawing discomfort or pain in the gb or middle back area like before. Again... I eat whatever I want except milk and icecream, with very little cheese. My reasearch indicates that cholestorol stones build up in both the gb and the liver caused by clumping cholestorol around calcium specs. The way to cure the problem is to get rid of the calcium specs by avoiding dairy and taking lecithin that will give you the Choline and other chemicals needed to smooth out the bile. Do a simple search of Lecithin on the internet and especially in the Medical school sites and you will find that research has shown: Lecithin has cure gb and fatty liver problems in both humans and research animals. Most reknown alternative med doctors list Lecithin as a #1 approach to curing the problem. The following is just a little bit of some information on the subject. Perhaps I will change my tune with another attack... but right now... I feel cured! I hate to hear that someone is going into surgery BEFORE they have tried flaxseed oil and Lecithin to cure their prolems. Type in Lecithin Fatty Liver into your search engine and you will find a wealth of knowledge and the possible cure to your health problems. ken A. (formally kalexan328@...). Supplemental choline (in the form of lecithin) has reversed fatty liver in TPN patients.60 In the study patients had been treated for an average of 7 years with TPN solutions providing 17 kJ/kg BW/d (4 kcal/kg/d) as 20% Intralipid (delivering approximately 6 mg/kg BW/d [50 µmoles/kg/d] of choline as phosphatidylcholine).60 These patients had low plasma choline concentrations (average 6.3 µmoles/L). In a double-blind protocol, 20 g commercial lecithin (30% phosphatidylcholine, delivering approximately 36 mg choline/kg BW/d [300 µmoles choline/kg/d]) or placebo (soybean oil) was administered twice a day for 6 weeks. By the end of this experimental period, plasma choline had risen by more than 50% in the lecithin group, and decreased by 25% in the placebo group. Fatty liver was assessed through computerized tomography. In the lecithin group, liver density increased (fat decreased) by approximately 30% (p<0.05). In the placebo group liver density increased by only 8% (nonsignificant). This strongly suggests choline is an essential nutrient during long-term TPN. Supplemental choline, in the form of lecithin, has reversed fatty liver in patients receiving total parenteral nutrition (TPN). 60 Research by Lieber and colleagues suggests lecithin may also protect the liver independently of providing choline. In two studies baboons were fed diets high in alcohol with or without added lecithin for up to 8 years. About 80% of those not provided supplemental lecithin developed liver fibrosis or cirrhosis, characterized by collagen accumulation, fibrosis, and scarring. However, no animals fed lecithin developed fibrosis or cirrhosis.61,62 An earlier study showed choline did not provide this protective effect.63 In vitro studies showed lecithin increased the activity of hepatic collagenase, suggesting lecithin helps prevent alcohol-induced fibrosis and cirrhosis, partly by promoting collagen breakdown.62 In an editorial on diet and liver disease, Dr. Graeme Macdonald and Dr. Lucey, from the University of Michigan Medical Center in Ann Arbor stated, " Perhaps the most exciting demonstration that diet may have a beneficial effect in protecting against liver injury has come from Lieber et al, who reported recently that long-term supplementation with phosphatidylcholine protected baboons...chronically fed alcohol from developing liver fibrosis and cirrhosis. " 64 Lieber's group is currently conducting a multicenter clinical trial of lecithin supplements in alcoholic patients. " Perhaps the most exciting demonstration that diet may have a beneficial effect in protecting against liver injury has come from Lieber et al, who reported recently that long-term supplementation with phosphatidylcholine protected baboons . . . chronically fed alcohol from developing liver fibrosis and cirrhosis. " 64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 Is this the study ken? laura ----- Original Message ----- From: <bootsy328@...> <gallstones > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: The cure for a gb problems and fatty liver After 1 1/2 years of being part of this group and suffering over 7 attacks... I done an exhaustive search in an effort to cure my gb problems without surgury. I had initial success with the flushes, but six months later I had additional symptoms and attacks. I believe that through this group and extensive research on the internet... and yes, God's grace... I may be completely cured of my gb problems. For those of you who co0ntinue to suffer... I belive it is important to first identify if you have calcium stones or cholestorol stones. Most of us have cholestorol stones that often do not show up on the ultrasound, but hurt like the dickens! More than 80% of all stones are cholestorol stones. I do not have the cure for calcium stones, but perhaps breakstone tea helps... For cholestorol stones I am convinced that three things will significantly cure you and it is NOT avoiding certain " alergic " foods. I too had many foods that were taken off my list when I suffered gb problems. Pasta, tomatoes, chocolate, etc. caused significant indigestion. Now I eat everything... except dairy with NO problems... The cure... I said it before... but now more convinced... Granulated LECITHIN. For the past 5 months I have been taking a tablespoon of granulated Lecithin each morning in an ounce of oj and some flax seed oil. I feel terrific, lots of energy and am regular again. Most of all... there is NO gnawing discomfort or pain in the gb or middle back area like before. Again... I eat whatever I want except milk and icecream, with very little cheese. My reasearch indicates that cholestorol stones build up in both the gb and the liver caused by clumping cholestorol around calcium specs. The way to cure the problem is to get rid of the calcium specs by avoiding dairy and taking lecithin that will give you the Choline and other chemicals needed to smooth out the bile. Do a simple search of Lecithin on the internet and especially in the Medical school sites and you will find that research has shown: Lecithin has cure gb and fatty liver problems in both humans and research animals. Most reknown alternative med doctors list Lecithin as a #1 approach to curing the problem. The following is just a little bit of some information on the subject. Perhaps I will change my tune with another attack... but right now... I feel cured! I hate to hear that someone is going into surgery BEFORE they have tried flaxseed oil and Lecithin to cure their prolems. Type in Lecithin Fatty Liver into your search engine and you will find a wealth of knowledge and the possible cure to your health problems. ken A. (formally kalexan328@...). Supplemental choline (in the form of lecithin) has reversed fatty liver in TPN patients.60 In the study patients had been treated for an average of 7 years with TPN solutions providing 17 kJ/kg BW/d (4 kcal/kg/d) as 20% Intralipid (delivering approximately 6 mg/kg BW/d [50 µmoles/kg/d] of choline as phosphatidylcholine).60 These patients had low plasma choline concentrations (average 6.3 µmoles/L). In a double-blind protocol, 20 g commercial lecithin (30% phosphatidylcholine, delivering approximately 36 mg choline/kg BW/d [300 µmoles choline/kg/d]) or placebo (soybean oil) was administered twice a day for 6 weeks. By the end of this experimental period, plasma choline had risen by more than 50% in the lecithin group, and decreased by 25% in the placebo group. Fatty liver was assessed through computerized tomography. In the lecithin group, liver density increased (fat decreased) by approximately 30% (p<0.05). In the placebo group liver density increased by only 8% (nonsignificant). This strongly suggests choline is an essential nutrient during long-term TPN. Supplemental choline, in the form of lecithin, has reversed fatty liver in patients receiving total parenteral nutrition (TPN). 60 Research by Lieber and colleagues suggests lecithin may also protect the liver independently of providing choline. In two studies baboons were fed diets high in alcohol with or without added lecithin for up to 8 years. About 80% of those not provided supplemental lecithin developed liver fibrosis or cirrhosis, characterized by collagen accumulation, fibrosis, and scarring. However, no animals fed lecithin developed fibrosis or cirrhosis.61,62 An earlier study showed choline did not provide this protective effect.63 In vitro studies showed lecithin increased the activity of hepatic collagenase, suggesting lecithin helps prevent alcohol-induced fibrosis and cirrhosis, partly by promoting collagen breakdown.62 In an editorial on diet and liver disease, Dr. Graeme Macdonald and Dr. Lucey, from the University of Michigan Medical Center in Ann Arbor stated, " Perhaps the most exciting demonstration that diet may have a beneficial effect in protecting against liver injury has come from Lieber et al, who reported recently that long-term supplementation with phosphatidylcholine protected baboons...chronically fed alcohol from developing liver fibrosis and cirrhosis. " 64 Lieber's group is currently conducting a multicenter clinical trial of lecithin supplements in alcoholic patients. " Perhaps the most exciting demonstration that diet may have a beneficial effect in protecting against liver injury has come from Lieber et al, who reported recently that long-term supplementation with phosphatidylcholine protected baboons . . . chronically fed alcohol from developing liver fibrosis and cirrhosis. " 64 Collected testimonials: http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the Gallstones group on 's groups. Post message: gallstones Subscribe: gallstones-subscribe Unsubscribe: gallstones-unsubscribe URL to this page: gallstones By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones Web Site for more information: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ http://www.liverdoctor.com/ http://www.sensiblehealth.com/ Have a nice day ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 Thanks ! That is the info I am referring to... only 60% cure rate in humans and 80% in baboons... I guess that means a 70% cure rate for me! Here is some more research I just came across... Authors: Ayyad N; Cohen BI; Ohshima A; Mosbach EH Abstract: We examined the effect of diet on gallstone incidence and the composition of biliary phosphatidylcholines in methyltestosterone- treated female hamsters. These hamsters were fed a nutritionally adequate purified lithogenic diet containing 2% corn oil, 4% butterfat, 0.3% cholesterol, and 0.05% methyltestosterone, resulting in a cholesterol gallstone incidence of 86%. This incidence was lowered when mono- and polyunsaturated fats or fatty acids were added to the diet: 2.5% oleic acid resulted in total prevention of cholesterol cholelithiasis, 2.5% linoleic acid, and 4% safflower oil (78% linoleic acid content) reduced gallstone incidence to 26 and 8%, respectively. An additional 4% butterfat (29% oleic acid content) produced gallstones in 50% of the animals. At the end of the 6-wk feeding period, the bile of all hamsters was supersaturated with cholesterol. The major biliary phosphatidylcholine species in all groups were (sn-1-sn-2): 16:0-18:2, 16:0-18:1, 18:0-18:2, 16:0-20:4, and 18:2-18:2. The safflower oil- and linoleic acid-fed hamsters exhibited an enrichment of 16:0-18:2 (16-18%); added butterfat or oleic acid increased the proportion of 16:0-18:1 (9 and 25%, respectively). We conclude that the phosphatidylcholine molecular species in female hamster bile can be altered by dietary fats/fatty acids and that mono- and polyunsaturated fatty acids play a role in suppressing the induced cholelithiasis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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