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Hi,

we tried it for a while and even bought one for our family. It hasn't

done anything for my brain tumor, my daughter's supposed lymphoma and the

other very serious health issues in the family. What made the most

difference is our Faith and the food choices we've made.

Blessings,

Johanne

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> Hello all,

>

> I have a close friend of mine who has had leukemia for the last 18 months.

> Recently she started using a device called a Bio-active Frequency

> Generator. With this device you hold electrodes in each hand and several

> different frequencies are applied.

>

> It seems that the basic concept is that the frequencies are supposed to

> weaken the leukemia so that her body can better fight it. I have never

> heard of anything like this, but the funny thing is that she does seem to

> be doing better. She has more energy and is feeling better after having

> used this device.

>

> Supposedly there are no side effects. I'm wondering if anybody here had

> heard of this and if they had any comments. I'm concerned that even

though

> she is feeling better while using this device she might be hurting herself

> in the long run.

>

> The webpage where she learned about this device is at www.rrrs.org

>

> Thanks in advance for you comments.

>

> Dave

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

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Gill, I don't know of anything in the UK, but have you thought of applying for a Florence Nightingale travelling scholarship/award to visit the USA and see what they are doing there?

I went on one once many moons ago when I was working at the then HVA to look at the school nursing services in the USA. Just put in the application/reasons if I remember rightly. Or I think there are also Winston Churchill awards for these kind of projects. I'm a bit out of touch with them now but I'm sure someone at the CPHVA or RCN or Senate could fill you in.

Regards, June

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A WEBSITE for young people witnessing domestic

violence was launched yesterday. Children who fear they have no one to

turn to can log on to the

site — called The Hideout — to get

advice.

It even has a “panic button” which

instantly calls up a different site such as the BBC’s CBeebies in case an

abusive parent walks into the room.

The site stresses to children that domestic

violence is not their fault and offers practical help.

YOU can log on at www.thehideout.org.uk — or contact

the 24-hour National Domestic Violence Helpline on free-phone: 0808 2000 247.

-----Original

Message-----

From:

[mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Gill Newell

Sent: 20

April 2005 17:52

Subject: request for

information

Dear All

I have 2 requests for info.

Firstly does any Senate member know of any projects/services in this country

working with children who witness domestic violence? We are trying to

develop a service in Gloucestershire whereby child witnesses could be referred

for short term therapeutic interventions, and also looking at school based work

for older children as well. I am struggling to determine whether there is

anything already up and running in the UK (plenty in USA but I

don’t think I’d get my travel expenses paid!) that I could

visit. I’ve come across plenty of initiatives focussing on women

but nothing on interventions for children of all ages.

Secondly, does anyone know of a good

speaker/facilitator for fathers work? We are putting on 2 events later in

the year and need to find another speaker and also someone who would facilitate

a workshop. We have contacted Bob Geldof but have not yet had a

reply….

Thanks very much

Gill

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Dear Gill,

Someone from the Mens Health Forum might be suitable for your Fathers'

speaker, as might Children's Commisioner Al Aynsley-Green (although he

writes more about becoming a Grandfather.... ). Prof. Mike Wadsworth of UCL

is a very interesting speaker about factors that influence health and

development in the early years (he is director of the MRC birth cohort

studies). A good speaker from a social work background is of course Herbert

Lord Laming, but I don't know what personal experience of fatherhood he has.

Two retired psychiatrists that I have worked for, with strong family

perspectives, for whom I have the greatest admiration, are Prof. Arthur

Crisp (ex-St. 's) and Dr. Crowe (ex-Maudsley), but they are

not such " public " figures as Bob Geldof.

Good luck,

Woody.

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Dear All

I have 2 requests for info. Firstly does any Senate member know of any

projects/services in this country working with children who witness domestic

violence? We are trying to develop a service in Gloucestershire whereby

child witnesses could be referred for short term therapeutic interventions,

and also looking at school based work for older children as well. I am

struggling to determine whether there is anything already up and running in

the UK (plenty in USA but I don't think I'd get my travel expenses paid!)

that I could visit. I've come across plenty of initiatives focussing on

women but nothing on interventions for children of all ages.

Secondly, does anyone know of a good speaker/facilitator for fathers work?

We are putting on 2 events later in the year and need to find another

speaker and also someone who would facilitate a workshop. We have contacted

Bob Geldof but have not yet had a reply..

Thanks very much

Gill

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Dear Gill

we had Sue Pollock speak at one of the NSPCC/Dept Child Health, Carfidd

University seminars last year. She is part of a team that have researched

fathers and how their needs are met/not met in NHS services. One or two health

visitors in the interprofessional audience took exception to some of the

findings but it was really a good wake up study. I first heard her at the

BASPCAN conference in 2003. She is a social science lecturer/researcher from

Bristol University. If you look on the Brisyol University Website there are

details of the research and a report from the funding body. Or e-mail her for

details: SB Pollock, School Policy Studies, Bristol University:

Sue.Pollock@...

Have you looked at the Father's Direct website? They have just, or are about to,

put on a major conference on fatherhood. www.fathersdirect.com

Dr Coles PhD BA RHV RGN

Research Fellow

Department of Child Health, Community Section

Cardiff University, Wales College of Medicine

First Floor, Academic Centre

Llandough Hospital

Cardiff CF64 2XX

Telephone

Direct line/message service 02920 715479

Secretary 02920 716932/33/34

Fax 02920 350140

>>> gill.newell@... 04/20/05 5:52 PM >>>

Dear All

I have 2 requests for info. Firstly does any Senate member know of any

projects/services in this country working with children who witness domestic

violence? We are trying to develop a service in Gloucestershire whereby

child witnesses could be referred for short term therapeutic interventions,

and also looking at school based work for older children as well. I am

struggling to determine whether there is anything already up and running in

the UK (plenty in USA but I don't think I'd get my travel expenses paid!)

that I could visit. I've come across plenty of initiatives focussing on

women but nothing on interventions for children of all ages.

Secondly, does anyone know of a good speaker/facilitator for fathers work?

We are putting on 2 events later in the year and need to find another

speaker and also someone who would facilitate a workshop. We have contacted

Bob Geldof but have not yet had a reply..

Thanks very much

Gill

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Dear Gill,

I have a number of contacts re working with fathers through the special interest group. I'll send you details off SENATE.

Best wishes,

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Dear All

I have 2 requests for info. Firstly does any Senate member know of any projects/services in this country working with children who witness domestic violence? We are trying to develop a service in Gloucestershire whereby child witnesses could be referred for short term therapeutic interventions, and also looking at school based work for older children as well. I am struggling to determine whether there is anything already up and running in the UK (plenty in USA but I don’t think I’d get my travel expenses paid!) that I could visit. I’ve come across plenty of initiatives focussing on women but nothing on interventions for children of all ages.

Secondly, does anyone know of a good speaker/facilitator for fathers work? We are putting on 2 events later in the year and need to find another speaker and also someone who would facilitate a workshop. We have contacted Bob Geldof but have not yet had a reply….

Thanks very much

Gill

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Dear Gill and

I am working with Dr Ian Banks and the Men’s Health Forum.

The theme for next year is mental health. You

may have seen

the Haynes manuals that accompany these

campaigns (

I am pleased to say that I have been able

to help the MHF

to see that mental health issues should

continue to break

like waves through each and every year’s

campaign, no matter

what it might be…eg this year is

obesity). There will be one

for next year. So….I would be really

interested in hearing your

thinking about how we might help fathers

around this issue.

The approach is quite a mechanical one and

it is proby going to appeal to

a particular element of father-men. So,

next year the manual will be

about how to look after your

brain/mind/mental health using computer

metaphors. Is there evidence/literature

that we can “tune” to make it

as readable/relevant as possible for this

campaign? Is there work

that I should be reading to acquaint

myself better with the issues?

I am also keen, since I do work with NIMHE

etc to know what I need to know to help

take these issues and ensure that they are

aired in the environments

in which I work and any projects with

which I am involved.

I gather from Ian that the various

European Men’s Health For a

are focussing on mental health over the

next three years.

VBW

Chris

www.primhe.org

From:

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On Behalf Of Bidmead

Sent: 21 April 2005 15:40

Subject: Re: request

for information

Dear Gill,

I have a number of contacts re working with fathers

through the special interest group. I'll send you details off SENATE.

Best wishes,

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Dear All

I have 2 requests for info. Firstly does any Senate

member know of any projects/services in this country working with children who

witness domestic violence? We are trying to develop a service in Gloucestershire

whereby child witnesses could be referred for short term therapeutic

interventions, and also looking at school based work for older children as

well. I am struggling to determine whether there is anything already up

and running in the UK (plenty

in USA

but I don’t think I’d get my travel expenses paid!) that I could

visit. I’ve come across plenty of initiatives focussing on women

but nothing on interventions for children of all ages.

Secondly, does anyone know of a good speaker/facilitator for

fathers work? We are putting on 2 events later in the year and need to

find another speaker and also someone who would facilitate a workshop. We

have contacted Bob Geldof but have not yet had a reply….

Thanks very much

Gill

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Blow me down..I've just read this email..having just sent the last one!

Woody..you and I live on the same branch?!

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Dear Gill,

Someone from the Mens Health Forum might be suitable for your Fathers'

speaker, as might Children's Commisioner Al Aynsley-Green (although he

writes more about becoming a Grandfather.... ). Prof. Mike Wadsworth of UCL

is a very interesting speaker about factors that influence health and

development in the early years (he is director of the MRC birth cohort

studies). A good speaker from a social work background is of course Herbert

Lord Laming, but I don't know what personal experience of fatherhood he has.

Two retired psychiatrists that I have worked for, with strong family

perspectives, for whom I have the greatest admiration, are Prof. Arthur

Crisp (ex-St. 's) and Dr. Crowe (ex-Maudsley), but they are

not such " public " figures as Bob Geldof.

Good luck,

Woody.

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Dear All

I have 2 requests for info. Firstly does any Senate member know of any

projects/services in this country working with children who witness domestic

violence? We are trying to develop a service in Gloucestershire whereby

child witnesses could be referred for short term therapeutic interventions,

and also looking at school based work for older children as well. I am

struggling to determine whether there is anything already up and running in

the UK (plenty in USA but I don't think I'd get my travel expenses paid!)

that I could visit. I've come across plenty of initiatives focussing on

women but nothing on interventions for children of all ages.

Secondly, does anyone know of a good speaker/facilitator for fathers work?

We are putting on 2 events later in the year and need to find another

speaker and also someone who would facilitate a workshop. We have contacted

Bob Geldof but have not yet had a reply..

Thanks very much

Gill

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Hello Gill,

Here in Bath & NE Somerset we have run some DV Therapeutic Recovery groups for 7-11 year old children and are about to run a pilot on domestic violence prevention work in a local volunteer primary school. Would these be of interest to you - and we are not too far away.

Ruth

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Dear All

I have 2 requests for info. Firstly does any Senate member know of any projects/services in this country working with children who witness domestic violence? We are trying to develop a service in Gloucestershire whereby child witnesses could be referred for short term therapeutic interventions, and also looking at school based work for older children as well. I am struggling to determine whether there is anything already up and running in the UK (plenty in USA but I don’t think I’d get my travel expenses paid!) that I could visit. I’ve come across plenty of initiatives focussing on women but nothing on interventions for children of all ages.

Secondly, does anyone know of a good speaker/facilitator for fathers work? We are putting on 2 events later in the year and need to find another speaker and also someone who would facilitate a workshop. We have contacted Bob Geldof but have not yet had a reply….

Thanks very much

Gill

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How can I get info on the Men's health Forum? I am particularly interested as I have 12.5% of my adult men with mental health problems and I do not understand their service needs nor of any help that I can provide.

Ruth

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Dear All

I have 2 requests for info. Firstly does any Senate member know of any projects/services in this country working with children who witness domestic violence? We are trying to develop a service in Gloucestershire whereby child witnesses could be referred for short term therapeutic interventions, and also looking at school based work for older children as well. I am struggling to determine whether there is anything already up and running in the UK (plenty in USA but I don’t think I’d get my travel expenses paid!) that I could visit. I’ve come across plenty of initiatives focussing on women but nothing on interventions for children of all ages.

Secondly, does anyone know of a good speaker/facilitator for fathers work? We are putting on 2 events later in the year and need to find another speaker and also someone who would facilitate a workshop. We have contacted Bob Geldof but have not yet had a reply….

Thanks very much

Gill

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Dear Ruth

Best person to contact is Dr Ian Banks himself:

ian@...

VBW

Chris

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ruth Grant

Sent: 23 April 2005 20:18

Subject: Re: request

for information

How can I get info on the Men's

health Forum? I am particularly interested as I have 12.5% of my adult

men with mental health problems and I do not understand their service needs nor

of any help that I can provide.

Ruth

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Dear All

I have 2 requests for info. Firstly does any Senate

member know of any projects/services in this country working with children who

witness domestic violence? We are trying to develop a service in

Gloucestershire whereby child witnesses could be referred for short term

therapeutic interventions, and also looking at school based work for older

children as well. I am struggling to determine whether there is anything

already up and running in the UK

(plenty in USA

but I don’t think I’d get my travel expenses paid!) that I could

visit. I’ve come across plenty of initiatives focussing on women

but nothing on interventions for children of all ages.

Secondly, does anyone know of a good speaker/facilitator for

fathers work? We are putting on 2 events later in the year and need to

find another speaker and also someone who would facilitate a workshop. We

have contacted Bob Geldof but have not yet had a reply….

Thanks very much

Gill

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As you will have gathered, I know little of pop medicine and what I

have learned of it, I have learned on from its critics over the

last couple of years. Here for the first time I have also met its

advocates. To my question.

What are the names for it?

There is homeopathy. There seem to be all sorts of other such things.

Are these things collectively known as Alternative Medicine by their

friends and as pop medicine by their critics? Where would I find an

overview of the field? Thanks.

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Lee wrote: Where would I

find an overview of [alternative medicine]?

I had never heard the term “pop medicine” prior to your use

of it. Of course, you could consult

the de-licensed “Dr.” Barrett, shill of Big Pharma, but you probably already know about his site.

www.quackwatch.org

If you’re truly interested in a balanced overview of alternative

medicine, the most cogent voice is Lerner in his book, “Choices

in Healing.” The complete

book is available at:

www.commonweal.org

Also, Ralph Moss specializes in

alternatives to poison, cut and burn (cancer). He’s a “friendly skeptic”

of alternative medicine.

www.cancerdecisions.com

Or you could hang out at alternative

medicine discussion boards—there are thousands of them on the Internet—but,

of course, any positive stories of healing you read there would be *gasp!* anecdotal.

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Hi , Ok, thanks very much. Alternative medicine will do quite

nicely as a term.

Popular medicine is the term used in academia. I first came across it

in a historical study of witchcraft, astrology and other methods of

healing in early modern Europe. But I wanted to know what advocates of

popular medicince called it.

My next question is this: how broad is it? I know that it encompasses

Homeopathy, but what else is there? I do not think that witchcraft and

astrology are part of it anymore, but what is?

I have looked at Quackwatch. Very good site for what it does. But

what it does is very very limited.

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Homeopathic medicine is substances that are diluted

which create the same symptoms as to what it is

treating creating an opposite effect.

It works like snake venom, however can not hurt you

and can be used with any and all medications.

Alternative medicines are supplements ranging from

vitamins and minerals to herbs that help or prevent

conditions and diseases.

Natural medicines refer to food.

Does that help?

Thank,

April

--- Lee <jackalope_lepus@...> wrote:

> Hi , Ok, thanks very much. Alternative

> medicine will do quite

> nicely as a term.

>

> Popular medicine is the term used in academia. I

> first came across it

> in a historical study of witchcraft, astrology and

> other methods of

> healing in early modern Europe. But I wanted to

> know what advocates of

> popular medicince called it.

>

> My next question is this: how broad is it? I know

> that it encompasses

> Homeopathy, but what else is there? I do not think

> that witchcraft and

> astrology are part of it anymore, but what is?

>

> I have looked at Quackwatch. Very good site for

> what it does. But

> what it does is very very limited.

>

>

>

>

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Yes, I thought you would think Quackwatch is just peachy. 

The site’s operator, Barrett, a hired gun for Big Pharma, has lost case after case at the summary judgment

phase.  As you may know, being as how you’re

in “academia,” Big Pharma lost its bid to

stifle competition vis-à-vis chiropractic care.

Anyway…the field of alternative

medicine, much to Big Pharma’s chagrin, is

growing exponentially.  It is estimated

that 30% of patients routinely look to alternative medicine, even if they are,

at the same time, undergoing Official Medicine treatments.  Quackwatch—er, I mean, Big Pharma—just

hates it that NCCAM even exists.  Big Pharma, as an industry, hates competition, even as

companies in the industry compete among themselves.

http://nccam.nih.gov

I have no objection to Official Medicine—after

all, Official Medicine excels in emergency medical care—so long as treatment

doesn’t harm the patient (unlike Vioxx and

chemotherapy) and Big Pharma sticks to its knitting.  It’s when the medical industrial complex

uses its might to force people—through its vise-like grip on the

insurance industry—to submit only to Official Medicine or go broke doing

anything else.

There is no doubt that not everything

alternative is efficacious.  But there’s

also no doubt that not everything Official Medicine is healing, either.  But instead of admitting that Official

Medicine—and particularly its wholly owned subsidiary, Cancer, Inc.—doesn’t

really have a clue where degenerative diseases are concerned, it aggressively

marches on until, unable to completely corner the market on healing modalities,

it’s forced to award a Nobel Prize to two lone Australian researchers who

finally proved, after plodding on for more than two decades, that ulcers are

not caused by stress but by a bacteria called helicobacter

pylori.

There are many stories in the annals of so

called modern medicine of medical mavericks gone mad or broke trying to

convince the reigning majority of the efficacy of something or other.  Ignaz Semmelweis is one such maverick.  After trying for years—many patients

dying in the meantime—to convince his colleagues to wash their frickin’ hands before moving on to the next patient,

he died a broken man.  After his death,

it was finally accepted that good hygiene will save—not kill—the patient.

And so it goes. 

The bottom line is,

if there’s no money in it, we have nothing but Official Medicine on which

to rely to do the necessary research because the game is closed to anyone else.  (And please don’t respond with your

tired-ass question:  “where are the

studies?”)  If the threatened

pandemic becomes reality, we shall see alternative medicine emerging as never

before.  If many more people actually

LIVE than die through using various alternative medicine

at their disposal, it signals the end of “modern medicine” as we

know it today, in my opinion.  Anecdotal

evidence will thus require a closer look, as so called scientific medicine will

have failed us.

The answer, in my opinion, is to set up a

system of medical research that operates like the “finders of fact”

in a court of law.  But Official

Medicine, lead by the nose by Big Pharma, has so many

lobbyists working in Washington, it’s impossible to find an unbiased jury.  Impossible.

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Hi April, Yes, it does help. But then what is the entire field

called?

Does Alternative Medicine refer to all three: homeopathy, natural

medicines and supplements? If not, then what term does, other than

the term pop medicine, which seems to be a term that some people do

not like?

Thanks very much!

> > Hi , Ok, thanks very much. Alternative

> > medicine will do quite

> > nicely as a term.

> >

> > Popular medicine is the term used in academia. I

> > first came across it

> > in a historical study of witchcraft, astrology and

> > other methods of

> > healing in early modern Europe. But I wanted to

> > know what advocates of

> > popular medicince called it.

> >

> > My next question is this: how broad is it? I know

> > that it encompasses

> > Homeopathy, but what else is there? I do not think

> > that witchcraft and

> > astrology are part of it anymore, but what is?

> >

> > I have looked at Quackwatch. Very good site for

> > what it does. But

> > what it does is very very limited.

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wrote: It is very encouraging that the NCCAM

exists.

Not really. Barrett, Big Pharma’s

most visible shill, hates it and regularly rants against it. But he confirms again why alternative

medicine will NEVER be able to go the distance against Big Pharma’s

deep pockets. The pharmaceutical

industry’s lobby is $500 billion (that’s billion, with a B) strong.

Rigorous

trials cost $1-5 million each. Five to twenty trials are needed to prove or

disprove effectiveness of each product or method. After staff expenses, $100

million per year can support only 10-20 reliable trials per year. [end quote]

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/nccam.html

Our country’s stunningly expensive

disease care system must implode on its own—and it most assuredly will,

eventually—before we see any change in how disease is treated in this

country.

Yup…the

business of disease.

The only antidote to being caught in the web is to stay healthy by

learning and reading and knowing how to be proactive with respect to your own

health.

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I would agree

April

--- Coy <catherinecoy@...> wrote:

> wrote: It is very encouraging that the

> NCCAM exists.

>

> Not really. Barrett, Big Pharma's most

> visible shill, hates it

> and regularly rants against it. But he confirms

> again why alternative

> medicine will NEVER be able to go the distance

> against Big Pharma's deep

> pockets. The pharmaceutical industry's lobby is

> $500 billion (that's

> billion, with a B) strong.

>

>

Rigorous trials cost $1-5 million each. Five

> to twenty trials

> are needed to prove or disprove effectiveness of

> each product or method.

> After staff expenses, $100 million per year can

> support only 10-20

> reliable trials per year. [end quote]

>

>

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/nccam.html

>

>

> Our country's stunningly expensive disease care

> system must implode on

> its own-and it most assuredly will,

> eventually-before we see any change

> in how disease is treated in this country.

>

> Yup.the business of disease. The only antidote to

> being caught in the

> web is to stay healthy by learning and reading and

> knowing how to be

> proactive with respect to your own health.

>

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Cginca96 wrote: Now, having said

that, hopefully this will quiet down a few of the

more argumentative posters in this group...

Whatsza matter…you don’t

like a healthy debate? Whaddya doing on

a discussion board, then?

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> Whatsa matter.you don't like a healthy debate? Whaddya doing on a

> discussion board, then?

There's a difference between " discussing " and " arguing " and being

insulting or inflamatory.

Two hours ago we had 65 members. Now we are down to 63.

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Who cares what Mr. Barrett has to say. The fact remains that NCCAM is an established government agency, so he can yap all he wants to. His concerns are less important than whatever scientific information comes out of NCCAM. Coy <catherinecoy@...> wrote:

wrote: It is very encouraging that the NCCAM exists.

Not really. Barrett, Big Pharma’s most visible shill, hates it and regularly rants against it. But he confirms again why alternative medicine will NEVER be able to go the distance against Big Pharma’s deep pockets. The pharmaceutical industry’s lobby is $500 billion (that’s billion, with a B) strong.

Rigorous trials cost $1-5 million each. Five to twenty trials are needed to prove or disprove effectiveness of each product or method. After staff expenses, $100 million per year can support only 10-20 reliable trials per year. [end quote]

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/nccam.html

Our country’s stunningly expensive disease care system must implode on its own—and it most assuredly will, eventually—before we see any change in how disease is treated in this country.

Yup…the business of disease. The only antidote to being caught in the web is to stay healthy by learning and reading and knowing how to be proactive with respect to your own health.

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I am sorry for that. I know that I was part of that. I

promise that will not be the case from this point out

with me.

I am up writing so I will be checking in. however I am

not always at my computer and I may not be around for

several days. So I guess everyone can have a break

from me.

I apologize.

April

--- cginca96 <cginca96@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > Whatsa matter.you don't like a healthy debate?

> Whaddya doing on a

> > discussion board, then?

>

> There's a difference between " discussing " and

> " arguing " and being

> insulting or inflamatory.

>

> Two hours ago we had 65 members. Now we are down to

> 63.

>

>

>

>

>

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I am sorry for that. I know that I was part of that. I

promise that will not be the case from this point out

with me.

I am up writing so I will be checking in. however I am

not always at my computer and I may not be around for

several days. So I guess everyone can have a break

from me.

I apologize.

April

--- cginca96 <cginca96@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > Whatsa matter.you don't like a healthy debate?

> Whaddya doing on a

> > discussion board, then?

>

> There's a difference between " discussing " and

> " arguing " and being

> insulting or inflamatory.

>

> Two hours ago we had 65 members. Now we are down to

> 63.

>

>

>

>

>

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