Guest guest Posted May 19, 1999 Report Share Posted May 19, 1999 Sorry yall are having to wait so long to get in to see the doctors. It's hard to wait when there are so many questions that need to be answered. My brother-in-law is now paying for his long life of drugs and the wild life. He did have a blood transfusion a few years back when he was in a major car wreck but it's my guess he got it from the drugs. It's sad no matter how he got it. Another thing that complicates his situation, he is in a federal prison for several more years. We'll see what kind of healthcare he'll get. Such a waste of a life. Many are affected by his actions. . . . mother, father, wife, brother, sister-in-law, nephew. Really sad. Glenda _____________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Holly....I'm no angel but I sure appreciate the compliment. Holly, this crap takes time. What I have seen with the black light has shown me that the things were in my house and on us by the billions and I'm not kidding. One time I looked at the top of my husbands head with that black light and I thought I was going to faint. Under regular light his scalp looked perfect....not one thing on it......under that black light I could see those little white "pearls" on top and down into his hair follicles. We saw just how many we had on our bodies and to remove something that can breed this fast and produce that many off spring ....well we knew we were in for the fight of our lives. I am praying that the dehumidifiers work because we all need something that works on a continuing basis. I watched that video that Bessie posted about the mites shutting down that clothing store. They are calling this a scabies out break but that is what the prison is calling it up here. Only thing is they can't kill it. So there is a strong possibility that this crap we all are battling is really starting to take off in the general populace. As with everything we are trying...time will tell. None....none of us are crazy......we need help and we will keep each other going until help arrives. Keep fighting this thing and try to control your environment along with skin protection......all we have is time....and time is on our side. Have a good night, sweet dreams and Good Luck!!!!!! You are an angel also and your little one is riding on the same cloud you do. Rita sulphur soap> > > > > > Can anyone fill me in on your experiences with using sulfur-based > soap?> > > > I can't seem to find any soap in this lousy arsed country that > has more than 3% of precipitated sulfur as one of it's ingredients. > So far it isn't helping to keep the bird mites off of me.> > > > Does sulfur work directly on the mites or do they discourage them > by getting rid of fungus and/or fungi infection?> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Rita, I am so there with you on the jillions and jillions of em. I can see them on the water surface of the tub when I am very still and shine a bright light on the water. They are everywhere, moving and grovin, having a pool party. I'm not sure if they are dust, demodex mites or what, but many seem larger, like a bird mite's nymphs to me. Whatever they are, they are causing me grief. I am working on a new protocol that involves several short baths in a row, emptying the tub and rinsing well, then washing with a dawn soaked sponge and then spraying with a bleach solution in between every bath. I then shower before the next bath to rinse off any hangeroners. I've only done this for a couple of days, but my crawling has gone done 95% since I've started this. And a jillion or so buggers have gone done the drain. I watch and celebrate each and every one...lol. I believe I am the main source of infection in my home and I'm working hard to nix that! I'm not going to let these beat me and us. bob > > > > > > Stan many people are trying all sort of things. In the > beginning we > > loaded our home down with a very fine sulfur powder. We put it > every > > where. We used it on our bodies. It was made by Bonide and was > 90% > > sulfur. Since it was such a fine powder we could mix it with > lotions > > and our bodies were covered in it. It seemed to work like other > > substances. It made us feel some what better but it didn't keep > them > > off us. We lived in a sulfur house for 8 months, close to a year. > > Every crack and crevice was full of sulfur. We did not see a turn > > around until we started using a very high concentration of salt > > water. 2 cups of Epsom salt to one pint of water poured onto the > skin > > and then blow dried on. This used with straight Clorox squirted > into > > a wash cloth that is very soapy with dawn dish soap worked well. > I > > sprayed my house down with the Clorox and salt water mixture and > we > > felt less and less activity. Then we thought we had beat the > things. > > I opened a storage bin and the things came running out. We were > > infested again. Our car has been a major headache. We started > running > > the dehumidifiers 22 days ago in our car and in our house and we > > think this has made a difference. So for our skin, the salt, > Clorox > > and olive oil seemed to work the best. When we feel the things > > actually crawling up our arms or legs from an infected area the > Raid > > ant and roach spray kills them off our skin instantly. We are > seeing > > improvement in our car ...or better said...after 2 years > something > > different is being noticed in our car from running the > dehumidifier. > > As with everything that people are trying, time will tell. I wish > you > > luck and keep posting......we all need to hear what is working > and > > what isn't . Rita > > > > > > sulphur soap > > > > > > > > > Can anyone fill me in on your experiences with using sulfur- > based > > soap? > > > > > > I can't seem to find any soap in this lousy arsed country that > > has more than 3% of precipitated sulfur as one of it's > ingredients. > > So far it isn't helping to keep the bird mites off of me. > > > > > > Does sulfur work directly on the mites or do they discourage > them > > by getting rid of fungus and/or fungi infection? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Hi, ; I believe as well, that I am the main source of the infestation, I refrain from using the word infection. That is another discussion topic. Before I go on (and on, lol), I must ask about the exterminator you used with such success, do they know a similar exterminator in my area, SF ? I am re-grouping after my recent third move this year. I found a carpet- less, very shiny floored little city apartment, they even put new cabinets in the kitchen, new tub and sink and toilet etc...I was instantly smitten by the shiny floors of the huge kitchen and bath room, granite and so are the tops, the bath tubs is surrounded by real tiles with decent grout, the small living studio area has shiny quality hardwood floors, I mop constantly. The walls and ceiling have a semi gloss paint, halleluljah!...I can mop those too, or steam clean soon with the lady bug I have my eyes on after sufficient financial recovery. The steam output is near 195 degrees F. Try to use the least amount of water as possible. I tossed my third bed out this year before this move, mattress and all. sleeping in my all trusted leather club chair from Potterybarn, my only possesion left, minimal clothes now, and about to tackle all my office paper stuff stacked away and also discarding more, baking a lot in my also brand new oven, laundry in the neighborhood laundrymat in Nob Hill, nice outing and my only socializing these days...LOL, the dryers are much better and hotter I wish I had about a week off to do all my preciscion, highly detailed re-arranging, tossing, clean bagging, setting up an efficient, less time consuming system, an easy to follow protocol with my not so regular work hours and call times. So for now, I have to do it in installments, in between the busy work days. About my health, well, I am battling, I can count my ribs for the first time in my life.... May contact a Friend Vet MD in L.A. and ask him for referral to a vet up here....I believe it maybe the only answer to have a medical professional pull those suckers out of my ears and other cavities for ID... I will step up my showering and bathing routine like you have mentioned, it seems to help, I will eventually achieve sterile, clinical condition in my abode, (hopefully within myself as well, about to go for the New Hope Kit) with the little belongings I have left now. Can't wait to get rid of my desk top PC with all those inviting cables etc...for those bastards....will go for an easy to 'bag and gas' wireless laptop. Still got to deal with the flat panel tv, which is another attractive target.... thanks for listening and any input from you and others is appreciated.. M in SF- From: <bobbyboyd99@...>Subject: Re: Time will tellbird mites Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 8:02 PM Rita, I am so there with you on the jillions and jillions of em. I can see them on the water surface of the tub when I am very still and shine a bright light on the water. They are everywhere, moving and grovin, having a pool party. I'm not sure if they are dust, demodex mites or what, but many seem larger, like a bird mite's nymphs to me. Whatever they are, they are causing me grief. I am working on a new protocol that involves several short baths in a row, emptying the tub and rinsing well, then washing with a dawn soaked sponge and then spraying with a bleach solution in between every bath. I then shower before the next bath to rinse off any hangeroners. I've only done this for a couple of days, but my crawling has gone done 95% since I've started this. And a jillion or so buggers have gone done the drain. I watch and celebrate each and every one...lol. I believe I am the main source of infection in my home and I'm working hard to nix that! I'm not going to let these beat me and us.bob> > >> > > Stan many people are trying all sort of things. In the > beginning we > > loaded our home down with a very fine sulfur powder. We put it > every > > where. We used it on our bodies. It was made by Bonide and was > 90% > > sulfur. Since it was such a fine powder we could mix it with > lotions > > and our bodies were covered in it. It seemed to work like other > > substances. It made us feel some what better but it didn't keep > them > > off us. We lived in a sulfur house for 8 months, close to a year. > > Every crack and crevice was full of sulfur. We did not see a turn > > around until we started using a very high concentration of salt > > water. 2 cups of Epsom salt to one pint of water poured onto the > skin > > and then blow dried on. This used with straight Clorox squirted > into > > a wash cloth that is very soapy with dawn dish soap worked well. > I > > sprayed my house down with the Clorox and salt water mixture and > we > > felt less and less activity. Then we thought we had beat the > things. > > I opened a storage bin and the things came running out. We were > > infested again. Our car has been a major headache. We started > running > > the dehumidifiers 22 days ago in our car and in our house and we > > think this has made a difference. So for our skin, the salt, > Clorox > > and olive oil seemed to work the best. When we feel the things > > actually crawling up our arms or legs from an infected area the > Raid > > ant and roach spray kills them off our skin instantly. We are > seeing > > improvement in our car ...or better said...after 2 years > something > > different is being noticed in our car from running the > dehumidifier. > > As with everything that people are trying, time will tell. I wish > you > > luck and keep posting..... .we all need to hear what is working > and > > what isn't . Rita> > > > > > sulphur soap> > > > > > > > > Can anyone fill me in on your experiences with using sulfur-> based > > soap?> > > > > > I can't seem to find any soap in this lousy arsed country that > > has more than 3% of precipitated sulfur as one of it's > ingredients. > > So far it isn't helping to keep the bird mites off of me.> > > > > > Does sulfur work directly on the mites or do they discourage > them > > by getting rid of fungus and/or fungi infection?> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Re cables; I get toilet paper wad and soak it in enzyme cleaner, have been adding the orange listerine, wipe down the cables manually, flush, then put a half tsp enzymes in the toilet bowl water. For keyboard (MS Nat Professional, so old the plastic shows wrinkles from many years of the heat from my finger pressure) I wear vinyl gloves at home always, which reduces what I drop from fingers and hands; reduces damage to hands from what drops from face and hairline; and reduces reinfestation from what DOES wind up in the keyboard. Vacuum keyboard and mouse regularly. Home mouse less vulnerable due to where the crevices are than the one at work. Vacuum around gel pad and regularly run lint roller and pieces of lint roller sheets in the crevices when I can't vacuum. Take mouse apart and clean out with a Q- Tip w Enzyme Cleaner undiluted. Have multiple keyboards just alike, when they get really bad I literally soak in bathtub 24 hrs with a bit of enzyme cleaner (3-4 inches water to submerge kybd, add about 1/4 cup Enzyme Cleaner or I suppose anything would work, it's mostly the time under water that works as others have also discovered. Allow to dry for a month at least, preferably unscrewed in a large zip loc, one of those suitcase size, with about a roll of clean paper towels unrolled in the bag to absorb moisture. After that, can switch out anytime, just keep sterile till really need that one again. Big problem for me is the desktop with all its nooks and crannies. I've been dealing with outside and connections, haven't gotten into the innards, but am dehumidifying the computer room aggressively and am going to start opening the case soon, as am seeing a drastic reduction in attacks in that room (I still shed and get hit from sheds just as much, but far fewer attacks from the room itself). I too have lots of paper to get rid of, and have been frantically trying to scan everything to get it on disk so I can, but amt of paper keeps growing and I guess i am just going to have to start bagging with mothballs. Postponing the digitization though. Or, could just toss everything and damn the torpedoes, but much is tax related stuff I have to have, so will have to deal, I guess... Thanks again for all you contribute, M, I appreciate you very much, as I do all the rest of my extended, very real I feel, family here. katiejill (LWC) > > > > > > > > Stan many people are trying all sort of things. In the > > beginning we > > > loaded our home down with a very fine sulfur powder. We put it > > every > > > where. We used it on our bodies. It was made by Bonide and was > > 90% > > > sulfur. Since it was such a fine powder we could mix it with > > lotions > > > and our bodies were covered in it. It seemed to work like other > > > substances. It made us feel some what better but it didn't keep > > them > > > off us. We lived in a sulfur house for 8 months, close to a > year. > > > Every crack and crevice was full of sulfur. We did not see a > turn > > > around until we started using a very high concentration of salt > > > water. 2 cups of Epsom salt to one pint of water poured onto > the > > skin > > > and then blow dried on. This used with straight Clorox squirted > > into > > > a wash cloth that is very soapy with dawn dish soap worked > well. > > I > > > sprayed my house down with the Clorox and salt water mixture > and > > we > > > felt less and less activity. Then we thought we had beat the > > things. > > > I opened a storage bin and the things came running out. We were > > > infested again. Our car has been a major headache. We started > > running > > > the dehumidifiers 22 days ago in our car and in our house and > we > > > think this has made a difference. So for our skin, the salt, > > Clorox > > > and olive oil seemed to work the best. When we feel the things > > > actually crawling up our arms or legs from an infected area the > > Raid > > > ant and roach spray kills them off our skin instantly. We are > > seeing > > > improvement in our car ...or better said...after 2 years > > something > > > different is being noticed in our car from running the > > dehumidifier. > > > As with everything that people are trying, time will tell. I > wish > > you > > > luck and keep posting..... .we all need to hear what is working > > and > > > what isn't . Rita > > > > > > > > sulphur soap > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone fill me in on your experiences with using sulfur- > > based > > > soap? > > > > > > > > I can't seem to find any soap in this lousy arsed country > that > > > has more than 3% of precipitated sulfur as one of it's > > ingredients. > > > So far it isn't helping to keep the bird mites off of me. > > > > > > > > Does sulfur work directly on the mites or do they discourage > > them > > > by getting rid of fungus and/or fungi infection? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 I'm in MASS and he is a one man show, so unlikely he knows anyone in SF. I can tell you what he used though. He broadcast sprayed Suspend, to which he added Exciter to. He sprayed everything, furniture, baseboards, around windows and mattresses, and my cars. It looked like a bomb went off. He then used cd 80 as a hand held knockdown spray in each room. Life was immediately better, and kept getting better over the next few weeks. He came back in 10 days and did another knockdown spray in each room. I think repeat knockdown sprays are very important. The people who say spray again in 10 days are just laying chemical down on chemical. If I need it again, I will have him use Nylar in the next spray mix. I didn't wash or clean anything for many weeks, just vacumed. I would interview small companies on the phone till you find one who will use what you suggest and be willing to help you. And most of all, have a warranty. The ones that say they know exactly what to use and how to handle these, usually don't. I am leaning towards trying Trish's new essential oil mix at ESP Botanicals that she will be selling next week and spraying myself. She said it will KILL mites, not just deter, and leave a residual. She said to mist everything, electronics included. Why not cover a new mattress and boxspring in a complete vinyl surround before you use it? I covered mine and my pillows and I'm only bothered at night by the ones on and in me. It's so easy to spray and wipe down with ACV. I hate sleeping on the vinyl...but the alternative. I just intend to NEVER take it off. I probably will buy a new one and toss this one when I know this bugmare is over. A comfortable, goods night sleep is really important in being able to battle these. bob > > > > > > > > Stan many people are trying all sort of things. In the > > beginning we > > > loaded our home down with a very fine sulfur powder. We put it > > every > > > where. We used it on our bodies. It was made by Bonide and was > > 90% > > > sulfur. Since it was such a fine powder we could mix it with > > lotions > > > and our bodies were covered in it. It seemed to work like other > > > substances. It made us feel some what better but it didn't keep > > them > > > off us. We lived in a sulfur house for 8 months, close to a > year. > > > Every crack and crevice was full of sulfur. We did not see a > turn > > > around until we started using a very high concentration of salt > > > water. 2 cups of Epsom salt to one pint of water poured onto > the > > skin > > > and then blow dried on. This used with straight Clorox squirted > > into > > > a wash cloth that is very soapy with dawn dish soap worked > well. > > I > > > sprayed my house down with the Clorox and salt water mixture > and > > we > > > felt less and less activity. Then we thought we had beat the > > things. > > > I opened a storage bin and the things came running out. We were > > > infested again. Our car has been a major headache. We started > > running > > > the dehumidifiers 22 days ago in our car and in our house and > we > > > think this has made a difference. So for our skin, the salt, > > Clorox > > > and olive oil seemed to work the best. When we feel the things > > > actually crawling up our arms or legs from an infected area the > > Raid > > > ant and roach spray kills them off our skin instantly. We are > > seeing > > > improvement in our car ...or better said...after 2 years > > something > > > different is being noticed in our car from running the > > dehumidifier. > > > As with everything that people are trying, time will tell. I > wish > > you > > > luck and keep posting..... .we all need to hear what is working > > and > > > what isn't . Rita > > > > > > > > sulphur soap > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone fill me in on your experiences with using sulfur- > > based > > > soap? > > > > > > > > I can't seem to find any soap in this lousy arsed country > that > > > has more than 3% of precipitated sulfur as one of it's > > ingredients. > > > So far it isn't helping to keep the bird mites off of me. > > > > > > > > Does sulfur work directly on the mites or do they discourage > > them > > > by getting rid of fungus and/or fungi infection? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Hi M, Glad to hear you are happy with your new place. I hope we can all get rid of our demons. J. From: <bobbyboyd99>Subject: Re: Time will tellbird mitesDate: Monday, October 13, 2008, 8:02 PM Rita, I am so there with you on the jillions and jillions of em. I can see them on the water surface of the tub when I am very still and shine a bright light on the water. They are everywhere, moving and grovin, having a pool party. I'm not sure if they are dust, demodex mites or what, but many seem larger, like a bird mite's nymphs to me. Whatever they are, they are causing me grief. I am working on a new protocol that involves several short baths in a row, emptying the tub and rinsing well, then washing with a dawn soaked sponge and then spraying with a bleach solution in between every bath. I then shower before the next bath to rinse off any hangeroners. I've only done this for a couple of days, but my crawling has gone done 95% since I've started this. And a jillion or so buggers have gone done the drain. I watch and celebrate each and every one...lol. I believe I am the main source of infection in my home and I'm working hard to nix that! I'm not going to let these beat me and us.bob> > >> > > Stan many people are trying all sort of things. In the > beginning we > > loaded our home down with a very fine sulfur powder. We put it > every > > where. We used it on our bodies. It was made by Bonide and was > 90% > > sulfur. Since it was such a fine powder we could mix it with > lotions > > and our bodies were covered in it. It seemed to work like other > > substances. It made us feel some what better but it didn't keep > them > > off us. We lived in a sulfur house for 8 months, close to a year. > > Every crack and crevice was full of sulfur. We did not see a turn > > around until we started using a very high concentration of salt > > water. 2 cups of Epsom salt to one pint of water poured onto the > skin > > and then blow dried on. This used with straight Clorox squirted > into > > a wash cloth that is very soapy with dawn dish soap worked well. > I > > sprayed my house down with the Clorox and salt water mixture and > we > > felt less and less activity. Then we thought we had beat the > things. > > I opened a storage bin and the things came running out. We were > > infested again. Our car has been a major headache. We started > running > > the dehumidifiers 22 days ago in our car and in our house and we > > think this has made a difference. So for our skin, the salt, > Clorox > > and olive oil seemed to work the best. When we feel the things > > actually crawling up our arms or legs from an infected area the > Raid > > ant and roach spray kills them off our skin instantly. We are > seeing > > improvement in our car ...or better said...after 2 years > something > > different is being noticed in our car from running the > dehumidifier. > > As with everything that people are trying, time will tell. I wish > you > > luck and keep posting..... .we all need to hear what is working > and > > what isn't . Rita> > > > > > sulphur soap> > > > > > > > > Can anyone fill me in on your experiences with using sulfur-> based > > soap?> > > > > > I can't seem to find any soap in this lousy arsed country that > > has more than 3% of precipitated sulfur as one of it's > ingredients. > > So far it isn't helping to keep the bird mites off of me.> > > > > > Does sulfur work directly on the mites or do they discourage > them > > by getting rid of fungus and/or fungi infection?> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 A keyboard " skin " – clear flexible cover configured for a particular keyboard – proves protective. After wrecking my last one with the inevitable spills & crumbs, ordered one as cheap insurance for a replacement laptop earlier this year. Less than $25 with shipping from www.protectcovers.com . Has a peel-off tape edge but left it loose to wash at the sink. Stuck it down fast when the mites hit! Easily cleaned with sprays (OrangePlus my favorite) or wipes. Also wore disposable gloves from Sam's for less than $6 a thousand. http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5 & item=199153 Hands get sweaty after a while but cheap enough to swap out. Pulled off from the wrist to turn inside out & trashed in the toxic bin. Good for food prep & light cleaning, too. Wiping the cords with rubbing alcohol on a paper towel & wrapping near the plug-ins with double- sided scotch tape helps keep bugs at bay here. Abandoned the desk as too tough to keep clear. Now my laptop sits on a stool while I sit on a leather (now sleeping) couch in the kitchen. The wooden stool washed down with 's/Orange Plus (floor, too) every 3 weeks & draped with a disposable synthetic absorbent plastic backed pad that traps on the white side (up) & repels them on the slick side, changed out periodically. From Sams 120 count 2'x3' underpads also good for bathmats & not bad as a towel. http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5 & item=358840 Baggied the mouse first then switched to a cordless in a Ziploc. Jettisoned that too & learned to use the touchpad. Now that shedding's to a minimum, no more gloves & a roll of tape at hand catches any. Easy to spot the clear, white & black ones silhouetted on the silver plastic laptop & its protective skin. Thinking about your creative idea, kj, for painting your walls in black & white to showcase the critters. Considering how well they stand out on my silver laptop, wondering if aluminum paint might be another option for walls? Painted old radiators in a n house with it & then a long central hallway. Really liked the soft diffused reflective glow & the feeling walking the hallway, as if the walls weren't really there. The paint's made with powdered aluminum – there's also bronze & copper. Varies in color by manufacturer, some lighter some darker. Need to finish by rolling all one direction before it dries for uniformity. Much prettier & more subtle than metallic wallpaper. May very well use it in our bedroom & bath. Many papers here, too. Washed the long kitchen table with the 's/OrangePlus, vacuumed the pages & piled them there. Danby 55- pint dehumidifier running next to it these last 3 weeks. Keeping the moisture in the high 30's to low 40's range, not bad for a kitchen in an open floorplan. Anything newly printed gets bagged to minimize exposure. Doesn't seem to be much going on here in the kitchen, full moon or no, since the OrangePlus Swiffer clean-up & Danby done at the same time. Figuring it's me that " infested " the kitchen in the first place, I'm staying out of the living room & dining room & on the main floor in an attempt to corral them near me where I can dispatch them. Know it's a (big) gamble, but that's my game plan. Guess we'll see how that spins - time will tell, indeed. I'm with you on the shedding problem. Got my scalp & hair under control (no bites no crawl) with Trisha's esp botanicals lice treatment done once, under the New Hope soap on this page: http://www.espbotanicals.com/main_line_new_hope.html Testimonials on her site mention just shampooing with the New Hope soap for the same (much cheaper) effect. Trisha sent a half-size jar of the New Hope Body Balm as a bonus with my last order – wonder if she might sell that size at half the price of the full jar? Her New Hope soap used as a body masque – left on 24 hours & then salt-bathed off & repeated – alternated with the Serum or Body Balm has nearly stopped surface biting & crawl on the rest of me. Suspect the soap alone done that way would be enough to draw the critters into the suds & trap them there. Leaves a slightly waxy surface that seems to repel. Every once in a while I feel a crawl & can easily find the culprit & roll it onto my fingertip for disposal. The Balm & Serum penetrate deeper to draw the bugs to the surface where the soap can get them. That's about 3 weeks clear personally thanks to Trisha. Rummaging around in the linen closet, found a forgotten pair of bath gloves that I started using & find better than the brushes in removing the somewhat sticky stuff from the surface. Some kind of synthetic knitted into a stretchy glove that's abrasive without being harsh, even on my face with my allergic hypersensitive skin. Came from Connie s (yes, the singer, who has a great line of products) & she still has them for $5 a pop. Heartily recommend. I leave them in the salt bath all the time. Salt destroys the mites here. Gloves: http://www.foreverspring.com/cgi-bin/dbsearch.exe?mdb=% 5Cinventory.mdb,tbl=PRODUCTS,DB_ITEM_NO=XE10040,dbtype=2000,template=% 5Ccommerce%5Cprodinfoshop.htm,ReturnMax=1 Wearing a Buzz-Off kerchief on my head all the time to keep any other pests from coming aboard. Looking like a refugee in my rubber boots & kerchief, but don't care as long as it works! Best wishes, Sue Stan many people are trying all sort of things. In the beginning we loaded our home down with a very fine sulfur powder. We put it every where. We used it on our bodies. It was made by Bonide and was 90% sulfur. Since it was such a fine powder we could mix it with lotions and our bodies were covered in it. It seemed to work like other substances. It made us feel some what better but it didn't keep them off us. We lived in a sulfur house for 8 months, close to a year. Every crack and crevice was full of sulfur. We did not see a turn around until we started using a very high concentration of salt water. 2 cups of Epsom salt to one pint of water poured onto the skin and then blow dried on. This used with straight Clorox squirted into a wash cloth that is very soapy with dawn dish soap worked well. I sprayed my house down with the Clorox and salt water mixture and we felt less and less activity. Then we thought we had beat the things. I opened a storage bin and the things came running out. We were infested again. Our car has been a major headache. We started running the dehumidifiers 22 days ago in our car and in our house and we think this has made a difference. So for our skin, the salt, Clorox and olive oil seemed to work the best. When we feel the things actually crawling up our arms or legs from an infected area the Raid ant and roach spray kills them off our skin instantly. We are seeing improvement in our car ...or better said...after 2 years something different is being noticed in our car from running the dehumidifier. As with everything that people are trying, time will tell. I wish you luck and keep posting......we all need to hear what is working and what isn't . Rita sulphur soap Can anyone fill me in on your experiences with using sulfur-based soap? I can't seem to find any soap in this lousy arsed country that has more than 3% of precipitated sulfur as one of it's ingredients. So far it isn't helping to keep the bird mites off of me. Does sulfur work directly on the mites or do they discourage them by getting rid of fungus and/or fungi infection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 A keyboard " skin " – clear flexible cover configured for a particular keyboard – proves protective. After wrecking my last one with the inevitable spills & crumbs, ordered one as cheap insurance for a replacement laptop earlier this year. Less than $25 with shipping from www.protectcovers.com . Has a peel-off tape edge but left it loose to wash at the sink. Stuck it down fast when the mites hit! Easily cleaned with sprays (OrangePlus my favorite) or wipes. Also wore disposable gloves from Sam's for less than $6 a thousand. http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5 & item=199153 Hands get sweaty after a while but cheap enough to swap out. Pulled off from the wrist to turn inside out & trashed in the toxic bin. Good for food prep & light cleaning, too. Wiping the cords with rubbing alcohol on a paper towel & wrapping near the plug-ins with double- sided scotch tape helps keep bugs at bay here. Abandoned the desk as too tough to keep clear. Now my laptop sits on a stool while I sit on a leather (now sleeping) couch in the kitchen. The wooden stool washed down with 's/Orange Plus (floor, too) every 3 weeks & draped with a disposable synthetic absorbent plastic backed pad that traps on the white side (up) & repels them on the slick side, changed out periodically. From Sams 120 count 2'x3' underpads also good for bathmats & not bad as a towel. http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5 & item=358840 Baggied the mouse first then switched to a cordless in a Ziploc. Jettisoned that too & learned to use the touchpad. Now that shedding's to a minimum, no more gloves & a roll of tape at hand catches any. Easy to spot the clear, white & black ones silhouetted on the silver plastic laptop & its protective skin. Thinking about your creative idea, kj, for painting your walls in black & white to showcase the critters. Considering how well they stand out on my silver laptop, wondering if aluminum paint might be another option for walls? Painted old radiators in a n house with it & then a long central hallway. Really liked the soft diffused reflective glow & the feeling walking the hallway, as if the walls weren't really there. The paint's made with powdered aluminum – there's also bronze & copper. Varies in color by manufacturer, some lighter some darker. Need to finish by rolling all one direction before it dries for uniformity. Much prettier & more subtle than metallic wallpaper. May very well use it in our bedroom & bath. Many papers here, too. Washed the long kitchen table with the 's/OrangePlus, vacuumed the pages & piled them there. Danby 55- pint dehumidifier running next to it these last 3 weeks. Keeping the moisture in the high 30's to low 40's range, not bad for a kitchen in an open floorplan. Anything newly printed gets bagged to minimize exposure. Doesn't seem to be much going on here in the kitchen, full moon or no, since the OrangePlus Swiffer clean-up & Danby done at the same time. Figuring it's me that " infested " the kitchen in the first place, I'm staying out of the living room & dining room & on the main floor in an attempt to corral them near me where I can dispatch them. Know it's a (big) gamble, but that's my game plan. Guess we'll see how that spins - time will tell, indeed. I'm with you on the shedding problem. Got my scalp & hair under control (no bites no crawl) with Trisha's esp botanicals lice treatment done once, under the New Hope soap on this page: http://www.espbotanicals.com/main_line_new_hope.html Testimonials on her site mention just shampooing with the New Hope soap for the same (much cheaper) effect. Trisha sent a half-size jar of the New Hope Body Balm as a bonus with my last order – wonder if she might sell that size at half the price of the full jar? Her New Hope soap used as a body masque – left on 24 hours & then salt-bathed off & repeated – alternated with the Serum or Body Balm has nearly stopped surface biting & crawl on the rest of me. Suspect the soap alone done that way would be enough to draw the critters into the suds & trap them there. Leaves a slightly waxy surface that seems to repel. Every once in a while I feel a crawl & can easily find the culprit & roll it onto my fingertip for disposal. The Balm & Serum penetrate deeper to draw the bugs to the surface where the soap can get them. That's about 3 weeks clear personally thanks to Trisha. Rummaging around in the linen closet, found a forgotten pair of bath gloves that I started using & find better than the brushes in removing the somewhat sticky stuff from the surface. Some kind of synthetic knitted into a stretchy glove that's abrasive without being harsh, even on my face with my allergic hypersensitive skin. Came from Connie s (yes, the singer, who has a great line of products) & she still has them for $5 a pop. Heartily recommend. I leave them in the salt bath all the time. Salt destroys the mites here. Gloves: http://www.foreverspring.com/cgi-bin/dbsearch.exe?mdb=% 5Cinventory.mdb,tbl=PRODUCTS,DB_ITEM_NO=XE10040,dbtype=2000,template=% 5Ccommerce%5Cprodinfoshop.htm,ReturnMax=1 Wearing a Buzz-Off kerchief on my head all the time to keep any other pests from coming aboard. Looking like a refugee in my rubber boots & kerchief, but don't care as long as it works! Best wishes, Sue Stan many people are trying all sort of things. In the beginning we loaded our home down with a very fine sulfur powder. We put it every where. We used it on our bodies. It was made by Bonide and was 90% sulfur. Since it was such a fine powder we could mix it with lotions and our bodies were covered in it. It seemed to work like other substances. It made us feel some what better but it didn't keep them off us. We lived in a sulfur house for 8 months, close to a year. Every crack and crevice was full of sulfur. We did not see a turn around until we started using a very high concentration of salt water. 2 cups of Epsom salt to one pint of water poured onto the skin and then blow dried on. This used with straight Clorox squirted into a wash cloth that is very soapy with dawn dish soap worked well. I sprayed my house down with the Clorox and salt water mixture and we felt less and less activity. Then we thought we had beat the things. I opened a storage bin and the things came running out. We were infested again. Our car has been a major headache. We started running the dehumidifiers 22 days ago in our car and in our house and we think this has made a difference. So for our skin, the salt, Clorox and olive oil seemed to work the best. When we feel the things actually crawling up our arms or legs from an infected area the Raid ant and roach spray kills them off our skin instantly. We are seeing improvement in our car ...or better said...after 2 years something different is being noticed in our car from running the dehumidifier. As with everything that people are trying, time will tell. I wish you luck and keep posting......we all need to hear what is working and what isn't . Rita sulphur soap Can anyone fill me in on your experiences with using sulfur-based soap? I can't seem to find any soap in this lousy arsed country that has more than 3% of precipitated sulfur as one of it's ingredients. So far it isn't helping to keep the bird mites off of me. Does sulfur work directly on the mites or do they discourage them by getting rid of fungus and/or fungi infection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 A keyboard " skin " – clear flexible cover configured for a particular keyboard – proves protective. After wrecking my last one with the inevitable spills & crumbs, ordered one as cheap insurance for a replacement laptop earlier this year. Less than $25 with shipping from www.protectcovers.com . Has a peel-off tape edge but left it loose to wash at the sink. Stuck it down fast when the mites hit! Easily cleaned with sprays (OrangePlus my favorite) or wipes. Also wore disposable gloves from Sam's for less than $6 a thousand. http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5 & item=199153 Hands get sweaty after a while but cheap enough to swap out. Pulled off from the wrist to turn inside out & trashed in the toxic bin. Good for food prep & light cleaning, too. Wiping the cords with rubbing alcohol on a paper towel & wrapping near the plug-ins with double- sided scotch tape helps keep bugs at bay here. Abandoned the desk as too tough to keep clear. Now my laptop sits on a stool while I sit on a leather (now sleeping) couch in the kitchen. The wooden stool washed down with 's/Orange Plus (floor, too) every 3 weeks & draped with a disposable synthetic absorbent plastic backed pad that traps on the white side (up) & repels them on the slick side, changed out periodically. From Sams 120 count 2'x3' underpads also good for bathmats & not bad as a towel. http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5 & item=358840 Baggied the mouse first then switched to a cordless in a Ziploc. Jettisoned that too & learned to use the touchpad. Now that shedding's to a minimum, no more gloves & a roll of tape at hand catches any. Easy to spot the clear, white & black ones silhouetted on the silver plastic laptop & its protective skin. Thinking about your creative idea, kj, for painting your walls in black & white to showcase the critters. Considering how well they stand out on my silver laptop, wondering if aluminum paint might be another option for walls? Painted old radiators in a n house with it & then a long central hallway. Really liked the soft diffused reflective glow & the feeling walking the hallway, as if the walls weren't really there. The paint's made with powdered aluminum – there's also bronze & copper. Varies in color by manufacturer, some lighter some darker. Need to finish by rolling all one direction before it dries for uniformity. Much prettier & more subtle than metallic wallpaper. May very well use it in our bedroom & bath. Many papers here, too. Washed the long kitchen table with the 's/OrangePlus, vacuumed the pages & piled them there. Danby 55- pint dehumidifier running next to it these last 3 weeks. Keeping the moisture in the high 30's to low 40's range, not bad for a kitchen in an open floorplan. Anything newly printed gets bagged to minimize exposure. Doesn't seem to be much going on here in the kitchen, full moon or no, since the OrangePlus Swiffer clean-up & Danby done at the same time. Figuring it's me that " infested " the kitchen in the first place, I'm staying out of the living room & dining room & on the main floor in an attempt to corral them near me where I can dispatch them. Know it's a (big) gamble, but that's my game plan. Guess we'll see how that spins - time will tell, indeed. I'm with you on the shedding problem. Got my scalp & hair under control (no bites no crawl) with Trisha's esp botanicals lice treatment done once, under the New Hope soap on this page: http://www.espbotanicals.com/main_line_new_hope.html Testimonials on her site mention just shampooing with the New Hope soap for the same (much cheaper) effect. Trisha sent a half-size jar of the New Hope Body Balm as a bonus with my last order – wonder if she might sell that size at half the price of the full jar? Her New Hope soap used as a body masque – left on 24 hours & then salt-bathed off & repeated – alternated with the Serum or Body Balm has nearly stopped surface biting & crawl on the rest of me. Suspect the soap alone done that way would be enough to draw the critters into the suds & trap them there. Leaves a slightly waxy surface that seems to repel. Every once in a while I feel a crawl & can easily find the culprit & roll it onto my fingertip for disposal. The Balm & Serum penetrate deeper to draw the bugs to the surface where the soap can get them. That's about 3 weeks clear personally thanks to Trisha. Rummaging around in the linen closet, found a forgotten pair of bath gloves that I started using & find better than the brushes in removing the somewhat sticky stuff from the surface. Some kind of synthetic knitted into a stretchy glove that's abrasive without being harsh, even on my face with my allergic hypersensitive skin. Came from Connie s (yes, the singer, who has a great line of products) & she still has them for $5 a pop. Heartily recommend. I leave them in the salt bath all the time. Salt destroys the mites here. Gloves: http://www.foreverspring.com/cgi-bin/dbsearch.exe?mdb=% 5Cinventory.mdb,tbl=PRODUCTS,DB_ITEM_NO=XE10040,dbtype=2000,template=% 5Ccommerce%5Cprodinfoshop.htm,ReturnMax=1 Wearing a Buzz-Off kerchief on my head all the time to keep any other pests from coming aboard. Looking like a refugee in my rubber boots & kerchief, but don't care as long as it works! Best wishes, Sue Stan many people are trying all sort of things. In the beginning we loaded our home down with a very fine sulfur powder. We put it every where. We used it on our bodies. It was made by Bonide and was 90% sulfur. Since it was such a fine powder we could mix it with lotions and our bodies were covered in it. It seemed to work like other substances. It made us feel some what better but it didn't keep them off us. We lived in a sulfur house for 8 months, close to a year. Every crack and crevice was full of sulfur. We did not see a turn around until we started using a very high concentration of salt water. 2 cups of Epsom salt to one pint of water poured onto the skin and then blow dried on. This used with straight Clorox squirted into a wash cloth that is very soapy with dawn dish soap worked well. I sprayed my house down with the Clorox and salt water mixture and we felt less and less activity. Then we thought we had beat the things. I opened a storage bin and the things came running out. We were infested again. Our car has been a major headache. We started running the dehumidifiers 22 days ago in our car and in our house and we think this has made a difference. So for our skin, the salt, Clorox and olive oil seemed to work the best. When we feel the things actually crawling up our arms or legs from an infected area the Raid ant and roach spray kills them off our skin instantly. We are seeing improvement in our car ...or better said...after 2 years something different is being noticed in our car from running the dehumidifier. As with everything that people are trying, time will tell. I wish you luck and keep posting......we all need to hear what is working and what isn't . Rita sulphur soap Can anyone fill me in on your experiences with using sulfur-based soap? I can't seem to find any soap in this lousy arsed country that has more than 3% of precipitated sulfur as one of it's ingredients. So far it isn't helping to keep the bird mites off of me. Does sulfur work directly on the mites or do they discourage them by getting rid of fungus and/or fungi infection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 I'm sorry you are not having more positive results with the drying up. You are the second person I have heard from that the units don't seem to be working for. Some times I think that using something that "kills" in the environment helps during the drying out time. As with everything we all use to fight this mess..........time will tell. Keep trying and hang in there. Rita Re: Hi Mel I purchased a dehumidifier and I have had it on going on 4 weeks. The numbers have gone down but it no way have are the mites gone. They are still lingering. I am wondering if Jeff had such success because of his precaution at such an early stage. I had my hopes high but they are starting to dwindle AGAIN. Blanca> >> > Well im not losing hope, we dont share any common areas and theres > > walls between us. And weve only been here for a month and a half. So > > im going to do what i can for now...> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Thanks Rita for the encouragement. I really need it after 3 years of fighting this hell sometimes I feel I just don't have it in me to fight no more. I purchased a frigidaire 25 pint. I live in about 1200 square feet space. They told me at Lowes that it should be enough for my space. I continue with windex, the vinegar - it keeps them at bay but does not eliminate. Compared to what I was living like 2 1/2 years ago I am great. They are controlled but that is not what I wish for just like everyone else in this forum I desire total eliminiation of these things. There are day for some reason they flair up. I use bleach only about 2 times a week cause there are three asthmatics in my family one of which is me and it affects me. Maybe one day we will find a cure. For now I just continue my cleaning regime and wish for the day things will go back to normal. Blanca > > > > > > Well im not losing hope, we dont share any common areas > and theres > > > walls between us. And weve only been here for a month and > a half. So > > > im going to do what i can for now... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Don't loss hope. The fact that the numbers have dwindled is a good sign and these things take time. I found that having the heat on with the dehumidifires on top of spraying with bifitherin is knocking them out more and more. We got another dehumidifire last night for the living room and we ran the heat about 80 degrees all night. The heat seems to be the most important addition. Over a five week period with one dehumidifire and heating the apt once twice a week using the bifitherin, internal sulfer and oragano oil, and tea tree baths several times a day I feel no crawling again today. Yesterday there was a little and I sprayed orange oil furniture spray all over my body and knocked them out. The day before two crawlies knocked them out the same way and today so far nothing. I find that every time we heat the apt up for an evening and leave the numbers have reduced further. I think it is because the heat dries moisture out of your stuff then the dehumidifire sucks up all the moister so it can't recondinsate and land bck down on things for the mites to rehydrate themselves so unless they can feed enough or find some other source of moisture they dehydrate to death. In addition to this I washed all my clothing for the week in boric acid and put them in vacuum seal bags i don't seem to have to microwave clothing this way which is better for my clothing. I just take out an outfit after showering and bathing and seel up the bags. Good timing too. I have an ear infecton and I can't soak my ears right now. So I still bath and shower just dipping my hair in the tea tree bath, shampo in under the shower with a cotton ball in my ear, and lice comb w/ conditioner under the facet to keep from getting water in my ear. Because the numbers are so low this seems to be working out well none the less. Good luck to all and don't give up. It just may take a while with the dehumidifieres and some additional messures to ensure knocking them out. Another thing that has helped us is Rita's suggestiong of Lemon sented raid. I can't put it on me cause it burns my skin like crazy so I have done away with that part. However, when sprayed in purses, brief cases, chairs, the vinal coverings on futons and beds, and stuffed animals, it works out pretty good. From: Rita and Mike Carlson <m.r.carlson@...>Subject: Re: time will tellbird mites Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 11:24 AM I'm sorry you are not having more positive results with the drying up. You are the second person I have heard from that the units don't seem to be working for. Some times I think that using something that "kills" in the environment helps during the drying out time. As with everything we all use to fight this mess........ ..time will tell. Keep trying and hang in there. Rita Re: Hi Mel I purchased a dehumidifier and I have had it on going on 4 weeks. The numbers have gone down but it no way have are the mites gone. They are still lingering. I am wondering if Jeff had such success because of his precaution at such an early stage. I had my hopes high but they are starting to dwindle AGAIN. Blanca> >> > Well im not losing hope, we dont share any common areas and theres > > walls between us. And weve only been here for a month and a half. So > > im going to do what i can for now...> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 We are all our own mad scientist's on this site.......we can only try !!!!!!!!!!! Rita Rita? Adam?> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Are you guys doing ok? Miss seeing you around...> > > > > >> > > > > > Hugs,> > > > > > Trly> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Remember the book Catch 22? The pilots flying near suicidal bombing missions kept getting extended until they crashed so they would claim they were crazy so the doc would ground them. Their commander said that anyone would be crazy not to want to get out of those dangerous missions so if they tried to get out by saying they were crazy, that meant they were sane and had to keep flying. Must we claim madness to be considered sane? For scientists we surely are! Tim has drawn a remarkable bunch of people: We have teachers, medical professionals, textbook writers, skilled researchers, and others from many other professions and with a rich skillset. Scientific research relies on purity of process, and a clear separation between one group, to whom an hypothesis is not applied, and as near an identical group as possible to whom the hypothesis, or test, IS applied. We may be short on the purity of the processes on the face of it, but it is there for many of the hypotheses that this group has tested, buried 100 or 300 back in something Rita wrote, or Frito, or Doe, or any of us. Whoever notices suddenly that a particular thing is or is not working, that the consensus of posts report that the jury is still out, or is in, may slip by unnoticed, but they are written. They are documented. And, also buried, are the test results. And the original hypothesis. For example, do dehumidifiers reduce residential mite populations? Based on research already done specifically on D. Gallinae, we as a group embraced this promising tool and within a month many of us bought one or more and started watching the humidity in our homes drop as the units drew moisture from our walls, bookcases, bodies. Several weeks into our loosely organized test, some report better results than others. I think it is helping in my house. However, I think it is a tool that cannot stand alone, as I still have problems in my environment. Just not as many. So the success rate for this example hypothesis, " Do dehumidifiers reduce residential mite populations? " is less than 100 percent as of now. But I think it is still a successful test, based on my experience and most of the posts I have noticed on the subject. For me, the test is a success. Other hypotheses: Do menthol crystals reduce the incidence of biting from the environment? Do ESP Botanicals pull " impurities " (the old fashioned word) from the skin with regular use? A compound hypothesis might read " Does Dawn liquid detergent, when sprayed around the home, 1) kill mites 2) repel mites 3) reduce the mite population? Oh yes, you are totally right, we are scientists. And we are stressed, and sometimes quite a bit pissed off, but I wouldn't call us mad! kj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Trly......I haven't had much to say because we have reach > > > > a dead > > > > > > end .......again. If I can't get rid of the damn things I sure > > > > can't > > > > > > offer help to others. I along with 2 other people are ready to > > > > give > > > > > > up on our dehumidifiers. We just aren't seeing the same results > > > > as > > > > > > Jeff did. We can't get the " things " out of our basement. We > > > > won't > > > > > > know about our yard until next spring because we have about 4 > > > > inches > > > > > > of snow on the ground right now. When I got the things back on > > > > me > > > > > > from racking the leaves this Fall they got back in my scalp and > > > > as > > > > > > everyone knows that takes a long time to get them out so I'm > > > > dealing > > > > > > with that mess again. After all I have been through I'm ready > > > > to just > > > > > > give in or give up. I hate to move because it's not a move...is > > > > an > > > > > > abandonment of everything we have accumulated over the last 36 > > > > years > > > > > > of marriage. I keep saying it over and over....what are we all > > > > going > > > > > > to do????? Rita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita? Adam? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you guys doing ok? Miss seeing you around... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > Trly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 KJ, I have a whole bunch that I'd like to know the definitive answers to instead of " it feels like it's helping " . So few of us have actually been able to catch these buggers, much less identify what's plaguing us. What we need is to have lab samples of what we have and see what works and what doesn't. For example, take D. Gallinae and apply cedarcide/orange plus/enzyme cleaners/listerine/alcohol/with hazel/windex/borax/empsom salt/sulfur/iver/bifen/cyfluthren/permithren/etc under a microscope. Does it die? How long does it take? What strength does it take? Which one of these have residual effects? Or put it in a closed container w/ menthol crystals/moth balls and see if they die or survive. Do the same with NFM, collembola, scabies mites, lint balls, etc, etc, etc. We need definite answers instead of trying to collect results by long, arduous and often times money/energy/time-wasting trials and errors. Whether the dehumidifier really works or not, I think it does slow down reproduction in my condo. To create a super-arrid env, I turn the home heater on above 80. Activity is extremely low when the humidstat reads 2% (won't go any lower). But like you, the dehumidifier in itself was not the silver bullet. When I took the 2 week trip in oct, I came back to a really good env. I hardly felt a thing. Then eventually it got worse over the weeks. I think I had brought it back, plus 2 weeks was not enough to do the job. Had I stayed another 3-4 weeks away, I may have come back to a completely clear env. Shucks. I'm sure the collective amount of money that we've all spent buying and trying stuff could've funded the research to do this! I remember seeing a news report (kinda like 20/20?) of this one super-rich guy opening up a cancer research center/hospital I think. It's a philanthropic (free) place and I don't remember whether it was limited to just cancer patients. I can't remember the guy's name. Maybe we can cry help to this organization for research. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Trly......I haven't had much to say because we > have reach > > > > > a dead > > > > > > > end .......again. If I can't get rid of the damn things > I sure > > > > > can't > > > > > > > offer help to others. I along with 2 other people are > ready to > > > > > give > > > > > > > up on our dehumidifiers. We just aren't seeing the same > results > > > > > as > > > > > > > Jeff did. We can't get the " things " out of our > basement. We > > > > > won't > > > > > > > know about our yard until next spring because we have > about 4 > > > > > inches > > > > > > > of snow on the ground right now. When I got the things > back on > > > > > me > > > > > > > from racking the leaves this Fall they got back in my > scalp and > > > > > as > > > > > > > everyone knows that takes a long time to get them out > so I'm > > > > > dealing > > > > > > > with that mess again. After all I have been through I'm > ready > > > > > to just > > > > > > > give in or give up. I hate to move because it's not a > move...is > > > > > an > > > > > > > abandonment of everything we have accumulated over the > last 36 > > > > > years > > > > > > > of marriage. I keep saying it over and over....what are > we all > > > > > going > > > > > > > to do????? Rita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita? Adam? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you guys doing ok? Miss seeing you around... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > Trly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Exactly, however what I have noticed is that since the group is so large and there are so many posts--and because we are each struggling in our daily lives--it is difficult to organize anything. If we could get someone interested in doing those kinds of tests under clinical conditions, which is what it would take...us supplying live specimens (gross, huh?) and someone else studying them WHILE they were alive...unless there were a way to keep them alive, and who would want to. It is difficult for me to know where to start with all the kinds of things that have been attracted to me. It stopped being just one critter in my case even before I realized I was dealing with human parasites of some kind. That is what made it so challenging for me to figure out that it was ANYthing...I would treat with the things that should have worked for scabies and it would live (30 min in the dryer on high is supposed to kill an old-fashioned scabies mite--didn't work). I would treat for lice (drown for 24 hours minimum, that's how long it takes to kill the hardest to kill louse, the body louse-- didn't work either). We are homing in on solid answers, though, but in the meantime we have to survive. It's a balancing act between short-term tolerable levels of comfort versus the ravages required for elimination. I will be honest with you, I have given everything up, spent everything, done everything I knew to do at the time, till I was slam worn out, broke, nearly lost my family, and just had to say ok, this isn't working, but until I know what will, I have to get up and go to work, love my husband and family, play with my dogs, read an occasional book, write, and I took hunting back up. I have found ways to come at what's going on from different directions to reduce the impact, kill a few or a bunch with this, a few more with that, and that has been my only option. Well, there's always cremation, but that is not a solution I am prepared to contemplate at this time! So yes. I have my digital microscope, and I do test every chemical and combination of chemicals I bring in my house. I have even drawn squares on my arm many times and labeled each square with the chemical I was using on that spot. One thing Doe told me is that maybe I have given up on some treatments too soon. The value of this group is that I don't have to try everything myself. I can continue to experiment where I see gaps, which is what I've been doing, while watching the results others are having with other approaches. No, I have not lost hope. However, I have suffered injuries from exhaustion directly due to this, injuries I would probably not have had, and those make doing some of the things I need to do, including something so simple as putting on my socks, ridiculously painful. Stretches help some, so I do those. Thank G*d for the great physical therapists in our town! Other decisions I have had to make were to decide whether to disclose to medical professionals when I was there for something other than critters. What I tell them is that I have an allergic or other skin condition that may or may not be contagious, and that for their sakes I would suggest they wear their gloves when examining me. I also clean off the chair I am sitting in if I can do so without drawing too much attention, because I know that I am always shedding. I have probably got nearly 1,000 photos now, not all online, but many are, of the various critters I have found on my body. They dry out very quickly and I am out of jars to save them in. I used to do that but while I sought a lab, they would disintegrate in the medium, whatever I used. I tried mineral and baby and olive oils, alcohol (the worst bec it was so drying). Mineral is supposed to be the best if you can get a sample to the lab quickly enough bec it produces nearly no bubbles. Now some labs will take specimens on tape, provided they meet certain criteria which I have misplaced. Someone posted the name of a lab who will do identification for us but I don't think the link I have at critterfiles is the same one, and I haven't been able to find the post when I searched for it. Did you happen to make a note of that lab? Another thing is that the equipment to take the investigation and tests to the next level are getting cheaper, but still cost quite a bit. I thought I could just walk right into the entomology department at a nearby university and they would let me use a microscope. Well, apparently not! I would have to have a certification of some kind even to get close to it, let alone for my findings to be considered remotely credible. I am interested in finding ways to do what you propose, though. I know things are always changing, and we may have opportunities, options, or resources available to us that are affordable today that were not a few years ago. For example, my little digital microscope is not as sharp as my pocket microscope still, but it is much better than the horrid Digital Blue I started out with. Tell me what you are doing and what you are doing with your findings. Do you know how we can take this to the next level? PS I do not know if you have seen my critter pics online. I am still adding more, have added an album for ones that I found while they were biting me, and I am now uploading some I am categorizing by what they look like, including one I discovered last week that is distinctly different than any I have found before. There is also the possibility that although I have found maybe 17 or 18 different looking things on me that I believe to be organic, many biters, they may only represent 5 species. I don't know yet. Last option for me is something I have little interest in doing but may have to do, and that is to do what Steve Tveden did when he had personal reasons to find a safer way to control pests (he wrote The Best Control, invented Enzyme Cleaner with Peppermint, and owns Safe Solutions), and that is to go BACK to school yet again, but this time in microbiology. I'm really excited that someone is talking about doing tests (ourselves?) and am open to hearing how you think we might be able to do it. I hope you are serious. I am. Anyone else? We would have to communicate directly by email, because our posts here would be lost in the shuffle. KJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Trly......I haven't had much to say because we > > have reach > > > > > > a dead > > > > > > > > end .......again. If I can't get rid of the damn > things > > I sure > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > offer help to others. I along with 2 other people > are > > ready to > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > up on our dehumidifiers. We just aren't seeing the > same > > results > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > Jeff did. We can't get the " things " out of our > > basement. We > > > > > > won't > > > > > > > > know about our yard until next spring because we > have > > about 4 > > > > > > inches > > > > > > > > of snow on the ground right now. When I got the > things > > back on > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > from racking the leaves this Fall they got back in > my > > scalp and > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > everyone knows that takes a long time to get them > out > > so I'm > > > > > > dealing > > > > > > > > with that mess again. After all I have been through > I'm > > ready > > > > > > to just > > > > > > > > give in or give up. I hate to move because it's not > a > > move...is > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > abandonment of everything we have accumulated over > the > > last 36 > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > of marriage. I keep saying it over and over....what > are > > we all > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > to do????? Rita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita? Adam? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you guys doing ok? Miss seeing you around... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > Trly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Kihun - I have written to several rich people who have a humanitarian streak, such as (the most recent). Others that come to mind: Soros, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, T. Boone Pickins... I have yet to get an answer from any of them, but the more correspondence they get the more likely it is to " register " and maybe one day help will come. And bombarding the CDC is something else that should continue to get done (yes, they have been getting emails/letters for years). Bessie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Trly......I haven't had much to say because we > > have reach > > > > > > a dead > > > > > > > > end .......again. If I can't get rid of the damn > things > > I sure > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > offer help to others. I along with 2 other people > are > > ready to > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > up on our dehumidifiers. We just aren't seeing the > same > > results > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > Jeff did. We can't get the " things " out of our > > basement. We > > > > > > won't > > > > > > > > know about our yard until next spring because we > have > > about 4 > > > > > > inches > > > > > > > > of snow on the ground right now. When I got the > things > > back on > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > from racking the leaves this Fall they got back in > my > > scalp and > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > everyone knows that takes a long time to get them > out > > so I'm > > > > > > dealing > > > > > > > > with that mess again. After all I have been through > I'm > > ready > > > > > > to just > > > > > > > > give in or give up. I hate to move because it's not > a > > move...is > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > abandonment of everything we have accumulated over > the > > last 36 > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > of marriage. I keep saying it over and over....what > are > > we all > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > to do????? Rita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita? Adam? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you guys doing ok? Miss seeing you around... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > Trly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Hi KJ Just checked out your pics on your website. One of them looked like the ones I pulled off the sheets with scotch tape. My pics or on the bird mites website if you have ever looked at them. That was the one Dr. Oldag diagnosed as a bird mite although he never identified the type. It looks like a plain old chicken mite to me when I was trying to catch one. They are very hard to see - about the size of the period at the end of a sentence. Since I don't have eagle eyes I had to use a magnifying glass to really see them, then took pics thru my Brother-in-law's high powered microscope. I have since bought a smaller one for myself but by the time I got it didn't need it anymore. I'm not sure I won't later though because Neal has felt some crawlies lately. He don't think it is mites, but I have my doubts. However, he has a very unstable nervous condition when his rheumatoid arthritis is acting up like it always does in colder weather so am hoping it is that. Nevertheless, I plan to buy some pink oil today just in case. I already have 2-3 gallons of cedarcide left but Neal doesn't feel well enough to use it and he won't let me do anything physical so am hoping it is just his nerves. We do have quite a bit of the Gabapentin the dermatologist gave him to heal his nerve endings and when he takes it he sleeps like a log but is groggy all day after. You can't seem to win in this situation! I'm so glad you are posting so much you are doing. Am sure it is helping a lot of people. I have given several of your suggestions to Marcia Kelman, my friend in Florida. She will probably be joining our group soon. Thank you again for contacting her. Joan Re: Time will tell website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Hi, Joan, I'm sorry Neal is having a rough time. RA + jangled nerves are a no-rest for the weary combo, you'll be in my prayers. I use the Pink Oil straight up for my spa treatment and I really do try to make it a self-nurturing thing. I accept that I may be bitten in the process but the opportunity to remove thousands of critters that otherwise would languish under my skin poisoning me is worth that little bit of aggravation. Besides, when I have a new " strike " they are easier to get out because they haven't gone too far usually (it's not that they couldn't, but like everything else in nature, me included, they are basically following Mazlow, and staying as close to air and the " action " that only occurs on the surface I think as they can. A quick dollop or two of Pink Oil and hard rubbing and I can feel the little rascals between the skin and the bone or lower layers of the skin, and I rub vigorously enough that they lose their " footing " and kind of " roll up. " As SOON as I feel that little spiny bugger (they are the ones who strike, the soft-bodied ones can't penetrate quite as easily I dont' think) I roll him off my finger or wherever and onto a lint roller. I put them on a clean spot or at least a spot with no powder if I have to choose between oily and powdery I'll pick oily because it is harder for them to escape from. On the dry spots is best (not a powdery spot, such as covered with DE etc or they don't stick) because on the dry spots, the more they try to get away, the more those little thready legs get STUCK. And then, of course, you can have your way with them for a change, that is, 'scope 'em or crunch or just wad 'em up with a " C'ya sucker. " Ahhh. Very good for my wounded morale!!! Keep me posted and let me know if you have any questions about anything I've written and if I don't know, we'll figure it out together, like we always do, won't we y'all! KJ > > Hi KJ Just checked out your pics on your website. One of them looked like the ones I pulled off the sheets with scotch tape. My pics or on the bird mites website if you have ever looked at them. That was the one Dr. Oldag diagnosed as a bird mite although he never identified the type. It looks like a plain old chicken mite to me when I was trying to catch one. They are very hard to see - about the size of the period at the end of a sentence. > Since I don't have eagle eyes I had to use a magnifying glass to really see them, then took pics thru my Brother-in-law's high powered microscope. I have since bought a smaller one for myself but by the time I got it didn't need it anymore. I'm not sure I won't later though because Neal has felt some crawlies lately. He don't think it is mites, but I have my doubts. However, he has a very unstable nervous condition when his rheumatoid arthritis is acting up like it always does in colder weather so am hoping it is that. Nevertheless, I plan to buy some pink oil today just in case. I already have 2-3 gallons of cedarcide left but Neal doesn't feel well enough to use it and he won't let me do anything physical so am hoping it is just his nerves. We do have quite a bit of the Gabapentin the dermatologist gave him to heal his nerve endings and when he takes it he sleeps like a log but is groggy all day after. You can't seem to win in this situation! > I'm so glad you are posting so much you are doing. Am sure it is helping a lot of people. I have given several of your suggestions to Marcia Kelman, my friend in Florida. She will probably be joining our group soon. Thank you again for contacting her. > Joan > > Re: Time will tell > > > > website > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Joan, are you killing yourself doing laundry? If so, consider the disposable sheets. I LOVE them. I bundle up so much I only sleep on top of one so use one a day ($1.50 a sheet or so) but I'm sure the laundry cost me 10x as much. KJ > > Hi KJ Just checked out your pics on your website. One of them looked like the ones I pulled off the sheets with scotch tape. My pics or on the bird mites website if you have ever looked at them. That was the one Dr. Oldag diagnosed as a bird mite although he never identified the type. It looks like a plain old chicken mite to me when I was trying to catch one. They are very hard to see - about the size of the period at the end of a sentence. > Since I don't have eagle eyes I had to use a magnifying glass to really see them, then took pics thru my Brother-in-law's high powered microscope. I have since bought a smaller one for myself but by the time I got it didn't need it anymore. I'm not sure I won't later though because Neal has felt some crawlies lately. He don't think it is mites, but I have my doubts. However, he has a very unstable nervous condition when his rheumatoid arthritis is acting up like it always does in colder weather so am hoping it is that. Nevertheless, I plan to buy some pink oil today just in case. I already have 2-3 gallons of cedarcide left but Neal doesn't feel well enough to use it and he won't let me do anything physical so am hoping it is just his nerves. We do have quite a bit of the Gabapentin the dermatologist gave him to heal his nerve endings and when he takes it he sleeps like a log but is groggy all day after. You can't seem to win in this situation! > I'm so glad you are posting so much you are doing. Am sure it is helping a lot of people. I have given several of your suggestions to Marcia Kelman, my friend in Florida. She will probably be joining our group soon. Thank you again for contacting her. > Joan > > Re: Time will tell > > > > website > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Good idea! I just moisten and microwave my sheets daily From: livingwithcritters <livingwithcritters@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 1:04:30 PMSubject: Re: Time will tell Joan, are you killing yourself doing laundry? If so, consider the disposable sheets. I LOVE them. I bundle up so much I only sleep on top of one so use one a day ($1.50 a sheet or so) but I'm sure the laundry cost me 10x as much.KJ>> Hi KJ Just checked out your pics on your website. One of them looked like the ones I pulled off the sheets with scotch tape. My pics or on the bird mites website if you have ever looked at them. That was the one Dr. Oldag diagnosed as a bird mite although he never identified the type. It looks like a plain old chicken mite to me when I was trying to catch one. They are very hard to see - about the size of the period at the end of a sentence.> Since I don't have eagle eyes I had to use a magnifying glass to really see them, then took pics thru my Brother-in-law' s high powered microscope. I have since bought a smaller one for myself but by the time I got it didn't need it anymore. I'm not sure I won't later though because Neal has felt some crawlies lately. He don't think it is mites, but I have my doubts. However, he has a very unstable nervous condition when his rheumatoid arthritis is acting up like it always does in colder weather so am hoping it is that. Nevertheless, I plan to buy some pink oil today just in case. I already have 2-3 gallons of cedarcide left but Neal doesn't feel well enough to use it and he won't let me do anything physical so am hoping it is just his nerves. We do have quite a bit of the Gabapentin the dermatologist gave him to heal his nerve endings and when he takes it he sleeps like a log but is groggy all day after. You can't seem to win in this situation!> I'm so glad you are posting so much you are doing. Am sure it is helping a lot of people. I have given several of your suggestions to Marcia Kelman, my friend in Florida. She will probably be joining our group soon. Thank you again for contacting her.> Joan> > Re: Time will tell> > > > website> Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 Hi KJ. No, we only change bedding about once a week again and Neal does a lot of the work. He is a born housecleaner (Thank goodness) and I don't worry too much about a little clutter here and there as long as it isn't actually dirty. The disposable sheets sound good though in case we need them again sometime. Sure hope not though. Thanks, Joan Re: Time will tell> > > > website> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Joan - When did you stop the nightly sheet changing? I'm still too scared to vary the nightly routine! Bessie > > > > Hi KJ Just checked out your pics on your website. One of them > looked like the ones I pulled off the sheets with scotch tape. My > pics or on the bird mites website if you have ever looked at them. > That was the one Dr. Oldag diagnosed as a bird mite although he never > identified the type. It looks like a plain old chicken mite to me > when I was trying to catch one. They are very hard to see - about > the size of the period at the end of a sentence. > > Since I don't have eagle eyes I had to use a magnifying glass to > really see them, then took pics thru my Brother-in-law's high powered > microscope. I have since bought a smaller one for myself but by the > time I got it didn't need it anymore. I'm not sure I won't later > though because Neal has felt some crawlies lately. He don't think it > is mites, but I have my doubts. However, he has a very unstable > nervous condition when his rheumatoid arthritis is acting up like it > always does in colder weather so am hoping it is that. Nevertheless, > I plan to buy some pink oil today just in case. I already have 2- 3 > gallons of cedarcide left but Neal doesn't feel well enough to use it > and he won't let me do anything physical so am hoping it is just his > nerves. We do have quite a bit of the Gabapentin the dermatologist > gave him to heal his nerve endings and when he takes it he sleeps > like a log but is groggy all day after. You can't seem to win in > this situation! > > I'm so glad you are posting so much you are doing. Am sure it is > helping a lot of people. I have given several of your suggestions to > Marcia Kelman, my friend in Florida. She will probably be joining > our group soon. Thank you again for contacting her. > > Joan > > > > Re: Time will tell > > > > > > > > website > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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