Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 Hi, I was more active on this list about 10 months ago, since then haven't been reading posts. Anyway, I hope you don't mind if I jump in and ask a " beginners " question which I am sure has been discussed at length before (although I checked the archives and didn't find exactly what I wanted). My husband is generally healthy, 38 yrs old, and got a blood test back recently that said his cholesterol is 250. His " good " chol. was at a good level, but the overall level was high. The dr bills himself as " holistic; he is an MD, not a naturopath. Well, i am having a hard time getting a straight answer from my husband about what the dr said to do (I should have gone with him!) but I am gathering that he did say drink less milk and dairy. So, the dr was concerned about 250 being too high. And of course the mainstream folks say it is quite high. Okay. I have read NT. I know about the " Cholesterol Myths " book, and Enig's book. I would love to read them but can't afford to buy books right now. ( I am going to ask the library to order them! They ordered NT after I asked them too! ) And I know my husband wouldn't read them (argh... he's a bookaholic but won't read about his own health). SO, is there a brief way I can reassure my husband about his level... or IS 250 too high? And should I be concerned? What should we do with this piece of information? Celebrate? :-) Worry? We eat a lot of well-raised eggs :-), moderate amounts of healthy meats, lots of butter and olive oil, veggies and fruits.... our diet is far from gung-ho NT. I am working on it. I do badly on the fermented side. And we eat too much bread. One thing my husband eats too much of is sugar. Not junky junk foods...but sugar non the less. He craves sugar in response to stress. So I guess my questions are: is 250 too high, is any chol. level too high? what role does sugar play in chol. levels? how about stress? my husband does have a very stressful job and " holds stuff in " . I guess I WANT to be reassured by the NT view of things, but still worry in my heart about my husband getting a high reading. I can't help worrying with " the other side " saying he is basically due for a heart attack. My gut says he should cut down on sugar, deal with stress better, excercise more etc and not worry about dairy, eggs etc. We try to drink raw milk (we have a source) but often we can't get to the farm so we drink Straus whole milk. Sorry this is such a general question and I should just probably go out and get Enig's books etc. But I am craving some reassurance from this group! Any thoughts? I guess I am wondering WHY his chol. level is what it is. He used to be a professional athlete when he was younger and had a very, very low chol level (50 he says!) which I told him was dangerous. Maybe he is producing chol. to protect his body from stress? just a thought.... Well, I will be quiet now and await any responses. thank you. Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 In a message dated 1/22/03 1:12:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, cgd@... writes: > He used to be a professional athlete when he > was younger and had a very, very low chol level (50 he says!) which I > told him was dangerous. Wow... I've never heard of that. I had a cholesterol level of 106 when I had major mental problems. Anything below 160 is the danger zone in my opinion, but 50! He should be glad his cholesterol is up so much ;-) Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 Hi Carolyn, firstly my advice is you need not be concerned. I have no problem with a 250 TC. I might have a problem with it if there were multiple other issues with your husband, but just to make changes on this factor alone is unnecessary. Even without the book go to the cholesterol myths website or to the wap site and you'll retrieve plenty of cholesterol info. See http://www.mercola.com/2003/jan/4/cardiovascular_health.htm he gives reasonable and well thought out guide lines. I think his numbers are a little low but the article is helpful none the less. Your thoughts on what the " real " problem is (ie. sugar, lack of activity, etc... is a much more approprate correction to make (and just think you didn't even need to get a degree to figure that out!!! Amazing.) as opposed to just reducing cholesterol consumption. Arrrrrrgh, ridiculous! (sorry for the rant) One question that always has to be asked because I'd say at least 1/2 the time its done wrong... how long did he fast prior to his blood work. The reason I ask is I had a patient who went to his md for a physical and his triglycerides were OVER 900! His MD flipped. When he came in he was completely terrified by this doc. I simply saie wow 900 is pretty high. What time was your test? 1:30pm. What did you eat for lunch? 4 course meal at a Thai restaurant. What time? 12:15 or so. Moral of the story is cholesterol levels are not terribly stable from meal to meal and a minimum 12 hour fast should preceed any cholesterol testing that is to be given any merit. He went back 2 weeks later and TG's were 91. Sincerely, DMM www.cedarcanyonclinic.com > Hi, > > I was more active on this list about 10 months ago, since then > haven't been reading posts. Anyway, I hope you don't mind if I jump > in and ask a " beginners " question which I am sure has been discussed > at length before (although I checked the archives and didn't find > exactly what I wanted). My husband is generally healthy, 38 yrs old, > and got a blood test back recently that said his cholesterol is 250. > His " good " chol. was at a good level, but the overall level was > high. The dr bills himself as " holistic; he is an MD, not a > naturopath. Well, i am having a hard time getting a straight answer > from my husband about what the dr said to do (I should have gone with > him!) but I am gathering that he did say drink less milk and dairy. > So, the dr was concerned about 250 being too high. And of course the > mainstream folks say it is quite high. > > Okay. I have read NT. I know about the " Cholesterol Myths " book, > and Enig's book. I would love to read them but can't afford to > buy books right now. ( I am going to ask the library to order them! > They ordered NT after I asked them too! ) And I know my husband > wouldn't read them (argh... he's a bookaholic but won't read about > his own health). > > SO, is there a brief way I can reassure my husband about his level... > or IS 250 too high? And should I be concerned? What should we do > with this piece of information? Celebrate? :-) Worry? We eat a lot > of well-raised eggs :-), moderate amounts of healthy meats, lots of > butter and olive oil, veggies and fruits.... our diet is far from > gung-ho NT. I am working on it. I do badly on the fermented side. > And we eat too much bread. One thing my husband eats too much of is > sugar. Not junky junk foods...but sugar non the less. He craves > sugar in response to stress. > > So I guess my questions are: is 250 too high, is any chol. level too > high? what role does sugar play in chol. levels? how about stress? > my husband does have a very stressful job and " holds stuff in " . I > guess I WANT to be reassured by the NT view of things, but still > worry in my heart about my husband getting a high reading. I can't > help worrying with " the other side " saying he is basically due for a > heart attack. My gut says he should cut down on sugar, deal with > stress better, excercise more etc and not worry about dairy, eggs > etc. We try to drink raw milk (we have a source) but often we can't > get to the farm so we drink Straus whole milk. > > Sorry this is such a general question and I should just probably go > out and get Enig's books etc. But I am craving some reassurance from > this group! Any thoughts? I guess I am wondering WHY his chol. > level is what it is. He used to be a professional athlete when he > was younger and had a very, very low chol level (50 he says!) which I > told him was dangerous. > > Maybe he is producing chol. to protect his body from stress? just a > thought.... > > Well, I will be quiet now and await any responses. thank you. > > Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 scarring of the arteries is, from my research, the primary cause of excess cholesterol deposits. Scarring is caused by (at least a large factor anyway) xanthene oxidase (spelling?) from homogenised milk. This chemical isn't normally absorbed from milk, till its homogenised. I've yet to see a cholesterol level that wasn't lowered by the ingestion of some cayenne pepper, flax oil, lecithen & lipase (fat digesting enzymes), even in people unwilling to stray from their hungry jacks eating lifestyles. Give it a try, chris PS 'How We Heal' by on goes into more detail on this topic, and a forum for the discussion of these topics exists @ howweheal >From: " gingeribnchestnut <cgd@...> " <cgd@...> >Reply- > >Subject: cholesterol levels >Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:11:42 -0000 > >Hi, > >I was more active on this list about 10 months ago, since then >haven't been reading posts. Anyway, I hope you don't mind if I jump >in and ask a " beginners " question which I am sure has been discussed >at length before (although I checked the archives and didn't find >exactly what I wanted). My husband is generally healthy, 38 yrs old, >and got a blood test back recently that said his cholesterol is 250. >His " good " chol. was at a good level, but the overall level was >high. The dr bills himself as " holistic; he is an MD, not a >naturopath. Well, i am having a hard time getting a straight answer >from my husband about what the dr said to do (I should have gone with >him!) but I am gathering that he did say drink less milk and dairy. >So, the dr was concerned about 250 being too high. And of course the >mainstream folks say it is quite high. > >Okay. I have read NT. I know about the " Cholesterol Myths " book, >and Enig's book. I would love to read them but can't afford to >buy books right now. ( I am going to ask the library to order them! >They ordered NT after I asked them too! ) And I know my husband >wouldn't read them (argh... he's a bookaholic but won't read about >his own health). > >SO, is there a brief way I can reassure my husband about his level... >or IS 250 too high? And should I be concerned? What should we do >with this piece of information? Celebrate? :-) Worry? We eat a lot >of well-raised eggs :-), moderate amounts of healthy meats, lots of >butter and olive oil, veggies and fruits.... our diet is far from >gung-ho NT. I am working on it. I do badly on the fermented side. >And we eat too much bread. One thing my husband eats too much of is >sugar. Not junky junk foods...but sugar non the less. He craves >sugar in response to stress. > > So I guess my questions are: is 250 too high, is any chol. level too >high? what role does sugar play in chol. levels? how about stress? >my husband does have a very stressful job and " holds stuff in " . I >guess I WANT to be reassured by the NT view of things, but still >worry in my heart about my husband getting a high reading. I can't >help worrying with " the other side " saying he is basically due for a >heart attack. My gut says he should cut down on sugar, deal with >stress better, excercise more etc and not worry about dairy, eggs >etc. We try to drink raw milk (we have a source) but often we can't >get to the farm so we drink Straus whole milk. > >Sorry this is such a general question and I should just probably go >out and get Enig's books etc. But I am craving some reassurance from >this group! Any thoughts? I guess I am wondering WHY his chol. >level is what it is. He used to be a professional athlete when he >was younger and had a very, very low chol level (50 he says!) which I >told him was dangerous. > >Maybe he is producing chol. to protect his body from stress? just a >thought.... > >Well, I will be quiet now and await any responses. thank you. > >Carolyn > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 Carolyn, I am seeing lots of people writing that high consumption of carbohydrates (breads and sugar and such) can lead to high triglycerides/high cholesterol. Here is a link to an article on Mercola's site that I found helpful: http://www.mercola.com/article/Diet/carbohydrates/scientific_evidence_ low_grains.htm I think I've read that stress raises it. I know that I've read that estrogen raises it. If he eats much junk food or fast food or convenience food, he may be getting a significant amount of phytoestrogen in the soy that those foods almost always contain. Being hypothyroid can raise it. Soy can make you hypothyroid. Are you familiar with that concept? Being hypothyroid can make your homocysteine go up. Having an elevated level of serum homocysteine _has_ been associated with increased incidence of heart disease. I've seen several writers say that if cholesterol is high, it's because something else is going on that the body has raised cholesterol to protect against. > And we eat too much bread. One thing my husband eats too much of is > sugar. Not junky junk foods...but sugar non the less. He craves > sugar in response to stress. > > So I guess my questions are: is 250 too high, is any chol. level too > high? what role does sugar play in chol. levels? how about stress? > my husband does have a very stressful job and " holds stuff in " . I > guess I WANT to be reassured by the NT view of things, but still > worry in my heart about my husband getting a high reading. I can't > help worrying with " the other side " saying he is basically due for a > heart attack. My gut says he should cut down on sugar, deal with > stress better, excercise more etc and not worry about dairy, eggs > etc. We try to drink raw milk (we have a source) but often we can't > get to the farm so we drink Straus whole milk. > > Sorry this is such a general question and I should just probably go > out and get Enig's books etc. But I am craving some reassurance from > this group! Any thoughts? I guess I am wondering WHY his chol. > level is what it is. He used to be a professional athlete when he > was younger and had a very, very low chol level (50 he says!) which I > told him was dangerous. > > Maybe he is producing chol. to protect his body from stress? just a > thought.... > > Well, I will be quiet now and await any responses. thank you. > > Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 In a message dated 1/22/03 5:06:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, toyotaokiec@... writes: > I've seen several writers say that if cholesterol is high, it's > because something else is going on that the body has raised > cholesterol to protect against. I think it's also important to recognize that high cholesterol levels aren't necessarily indicative of a problem at all. Between 200 and 300 is perfectly acceptable, as in the 60s 300 was considered normal and there hasn't been any justification for ammending that figure. But I of course defer to Dr. Mike on this one. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 In a message dated 6/12/03 2:44:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jonathang@... writes: > Many years ago when i was vegetarian (and drinking a lot of milk) and > getting holes in my teeth and very fatigued, my total cholesterol was > something like 140. Doctors were happy. Now of course I feel much > more healthy but test was 239 (162 LDL, 55 HDL). And the advice nurse > is telling me to use olive oil blah blah blah. Sounds like your symptoms or lack thereof tell it all. The editorial opinion expressed in Wise Traditions is that they're irrelevant. chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Do you know what your Triglecerides score was? >From: ChrisMasterjohn@... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Cholesterol levels >Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:37:38 EDT > >In a message dated 6/12/03 2:44:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >jonathang@... writes: > > > Many years ago when i was vegetarian (and drinking a lot of milk) and > > getting holes in my teeth and very fatigued, my total cholesterol was > > something like 140. Doctors were happy. Now of course I feel much > > more healthy but test was 239 (162 LDL, 55 HDL). And the advice nurse > > is telling me to use olive oil blah blah blah. > >Sounds like your symptoms or lack thereof tell it all. The editorial >opinion >expressed in Wise Traditions is that they're irrelevant. > >chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Hi Matt and Triglycerides are 111. I know that NT perspective is that cholesterol is not the villian everyone thinks , but surely there must be some numbers. Ie 150 is too low, 350 is too high. I'm just curious. Thanks, --- In , " Matt Pack " <training@m...> wrote: > Do you know what your Triglecerides score was? > > > >From: ChrisMasterjohn@a... > >Reply- > > > >Subject: Re: Cholesterol levels > >Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:37:38 EDT > > > >In a message dated 6/12/03 2:44:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >jonathang@g... writes: > > > > > Many years ago when i was vegetarian (and drinking a lot of milk) and > > > getting holes in my teeth and very fatigued, my total cholesterol was > > > something like 140. Doctors were happy. Now of course I feel much > > > more healthy but test was 239 (162 LDL, 55 HDL). And the advice nurse > > > is telling me to use olive oil blah blah blah. > > > >Sounds like your symptoms or lack thereof tell it all. The editorial > >opinion > >expressed in Wise Traditions is that they're irrelevant. > > > >chris > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Elevated triglycerides and low HDL is usually a predictor of elevated insulin levels. Dr. Ron Rosedale as well as the late Dr. Atkins state that elevated Triglycerides are the causal factor in Heart Disease. In other words hyperinsulemia (elevated insulin) is a huge factor in atherosclerosis. But I don't see any need to worry, I've heard of Triglycerides being in the 1000's before. What's the quickest way to lower Triglycerides? Monitor any foods that give off an insulin response and implement a regular exercise program. Matt Pack >From: " Gauntlett " <jonathang@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Cholesterol levels >Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:29:15 -0000 > >Hi Matt and > >Triglycerides are 111. > >I know that NT perspective is that cholesterol is not the villian >everyone thinks , but surely there must be some numbers. Ie 150 is >too low, 350 is too high. I'm just curious. > >Thanks, > > >--- In , " Matt Pack " <training@m...> >wrote: > > Do you know what your Triglecerides score was? > > > > > > >From: ChrisMasterjohn@a... > > >Reply- > > > > > >Subject: Re: Cholesterol levels > > >Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:37:38 EDT > > > > > >In a message dated 6/12/03 2:44:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > >jonathang@g... writes: > > > > > > > Many years ago when i was vegetarian (and drinking a lot of >milk) and > > > > getting holes in my teeth and very fatigued, my total >cholesterol was > > > > something like 140. Doctors were happy. Now of course I feel >much > > > > more healthy but test was 239 (162 LDL, 55 HDL). And the advice >nurse > > > > is telling me to use olive oil blah blah blah. > > > > > >Sounds like your symptoms or lack thereof tell it all. The >editorial > > >opinion > > >expressed in Wise Traditions is that they're irrelevant. > > > > > >chris > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Hi Matt, Thanks for the info. My HMO said the normal range of triglyerides was up to 399 so 111 was considered fine. Is your perspective that 111 is elevated? Is HDL of 55 considered low? Cheers, --- In , " Matt Pack " <training@m...> wrote: > Elevated triglycerides and low HDL is usually a predictor of elevated > insulin levels. Dr. Ron Rosedale as well as the late Dr. Atkins state > that elevated Triglycerides are the causal factor in Heart Disease. In other > words hyperinsulemia (elevated insulin) is a huge factor in atherosclerosis. > But I don't see any need to worry, I've heard of Triglycerides being in the > 1000's before. What's the quickest way to lower Triglycerides? Monitor any > foods that give off an insulin response and implement a regular exercise > program. > > Matt Pack > > > >From: " Gauntlett " <jonathang@g...> > >Reply- > > > >Subject: Re: Cholesterol levels > >Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:29:15 -0000 > > > >Hi Matt and > > > >Triglycerides are 111. > > > >I know that NT perspective is that cholesterol is not the villian > >everyone thinks , but surely there must be some numbers. Ie 150 is > >too low, 350 is too high. I'm just curious. > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >--- In , " Matt Pack " <training@m...> > >wrote: > > > Do you know what your Triglecerides score was? > > > > > > > > > >From: ChrisMasterjohn@a... > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Cholesterol levels > > > >Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:37:38 EDT > > > > > > > >In a message dated 6/12/03 2:44:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > >jonathang@g... writes: > > > > > > > > > Many years ago when i was vegetarian (and drinking a lot of > >milk) and > > > > > getting holes in my teeth and very fatigued, my total > >cholesterol was > > > > > something like 140. Doctors were happy. Now of course I feel > >much > > > > > more healthy but test was 239 (162 LDL, 55 HDL). And the advice > >nurse > > > > > is telling me to use olive oil blah blah blah. > > > > > > > >Sounds like your symptoms or lack thereof tell it all. The > >editorial > > > >opinion > > > >expressed in Wise Traditions is that they're irrelevant. > > > > > > > >chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 A recent editorial opinion expressed in response to a letter in Wise Traditions was that cholesterol is not worth getting checked. That's the closest I can think of to an " official " WAPF position on cholesterol levels. Under 40 is considered low HDL but it's somewhat irrelevant. If you are worried you have too low HDL, you should eat more butter and cut sugar. If you don't use much sugar (includes natural sugars) then cut fruit, but really I wouldn't worry about it. There's no clear relationship between heart disease and a) high LDL b)low HDL c)high triglycerides. Familial hypercholesterolemics have high rates of heart disease while young (actually very low rates, but some of them die from heart disease young versus basically none for the rest of the poopulation), but their problem is not high cholesterol but a serious genetic defect that causes high cholesterol because they have no LDL receptors in their cells. Like Matt said it would be better to check insulin. If there is any cholesterol level to check, the VLDL is the only one with any relevance to heart disease, and that is primarily produced in response to fructose apparently. Still, heart disease is probably best prevented by having adequate amino acids, vitamin C, CoQ10, nutrients that prevent the blood vessels from being harmed. chris In a message dated 6/12/03 4:37:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jonathang@... writes: > I know that NT perspective is that cholesterol is not the villian > everyone thinks , but surely there must be some numbers. Ie 150 is > too low, 350 is too high. I'm just curious. > " To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore Roosevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 If memory serves me correct normal HDL can range between 35-80 for males so I think you're in good shape. If you asked me one test to dermine how healthy you are it would be a fasting insulin test over total cholesterol. This test gets over looked by most medical practitioners. Total Cholesterol and HDL/LDL testing is a money maker and they know that. Anyone over 200 these days is recommended to be put on Lipritor. Their's more incidence of Heart disease in lower cholesterol than elevated. It's a huge money making skam! Read the book The Cholesterol Myths by Uffe Ravnskov, this book will really open up your eyes. Matt Pack >From: " Gauntlett " <jonathang@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Cholesterol levels >Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:36:50 -0000 > >Hi Matt, > >Thanks for the info. My HMO said the normal range of triglyerides was >up to 399 so 111 was considered fine. Is your perspective that 111 is >elevated? Is HDL of 55 considered low? > >Cheers, > > >--- In , " Matt Pack " <training@m...> >wrote: > > Elevated triglycerides and low HDL is usually a predictor of >elevated > > insulin levels. Dr. Ron Rosedale as well as the late Dr. >Atkins state > > that elevated Triglycerides are the causal factor in Heart Disease. >In other > > words hyperinsulemia (elevated insulin) is a huge factor in >atherosclerosis. > > But I don't see any need to worry, I've heard of Triglycerides >being in the > > 1000's before. What's the quickest way to lower Triglycerides? >Monitor any > > foods that give off an insulin response and implement a regular >exercise > > program. > > > > Matt Pack > > > > > > >From: " Gauntlett " <jonathang@g...> > > >Reply- > > > > > >Subject: Re: Cholesterol levels > > >Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:29:15 -0000 > > > > > >Hi Matt and > > > > > >Triglycerides are 111. > > > > > >I know that NT perspective is that cholesterol is not the villian > > >everyone thinks , but surely there must be some numbers. Ie 150 is > > >too low, 350 is too high. I'm just curious. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > > >--- In , " Matt Pack " ><training@m...> > > >wrote: > > > > Do you know what your Triglecerides score was? > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: ChrisMasterjohn@a... > > > > >Reply- > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Cholesterol levels > > > > >Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:37:38 EDT > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 6/12/03 2:44:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > >jonathang@g... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > Many years ago when i was vegetarian (and drinking a lot of > > >milk) and > > > > > > getting holes in my teeth and very fatigued, my total > > >cholesterol was > > > > > > something like 140. Doctors were happy. Now of course I feel > > >much > > > > > > more healthy but test was 239 (162 LDL, 55 HDL). And the >advice > > >nurse > > > > > > is telling me to use olive oil blah blah blah. > > > > > > > > > >Sounds like your symptoms or lack thereof tell it all. The > > >editorial > > > > >opinion > > > > >expressed in Wise Traditions is that they're irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > >chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 > I know that NT perspective is that cholesterol is not the villian > everyone thinks , but surely there must be some numbers. Ie 150 is > too low, 350 is too high. I'm just curious. > > Thanks, > There have been studies in the press in the past couple of years which link LOW total cholesterol (~150 or lower) with increased risk of stroke (hemorrhagic), depression, suicide, and violent behavior and deaths. The most discussed study I saw looked at older men (in Hawaii, I think), but I can't see why the negative consequences should be limited to only older folks. I have been trying to RAISE my low cholesterol levels for years now, and have only had moderate success. Any one have any suggestions? (Other than " eat more butter and eggs! " ) thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 In a message dated 6/13/03 2:04:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fletcher@... writes: > (Other than " eat more butter and eggs! " ) , How much butter and eggs do you eat? Hard to consider without knowing your diet. I had very low cholesterol for a while. Haven't gotten in checked since, but symptoms I would associate with it have disappeared. Anyway " more " is relative. How much do you eat? chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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