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This is very delayed but welcome. I, too, received the information from

our insurance company. I was so outraged that they had not presented

both sides of the issue (ie. when you should not vaccinated, ask for the

package insert, etc)that I called the ins. company and notified them

that they may want to be careful about what they are promoting because

they could be held liable for presenting incomplete information. It is

somthing to consider. I would not necessarily tell them that you have

refused to vaccinate for the rest..as this may jeopardize your insurance

coverage..but I would give them a call and tell them you did not like

the false information provided.

Just my .02

> Joe Tabachnick wrote:

>

> Hi, My name is Tabatchnick. I am new to the group. I have been

> just reading for a while. I got some time today. So I think it's time

> to introduce myself. My husband and I have two children. Four yr old

> boy and two yr old girl. When my two yr old was two months old, she

> had an adverse reaction to vaccines. Prior to that I had never heard

> of adverse reactions to vaccines. It never occurred to me to look into

> vaccines. I'll always kick myself for it. The vaccine cocktail she

> received, on her " well baby visit " , contained Hep-B, DTaP, Hib and

> oral Polio. I had questioned the doctor on the sheer amount of shots.

> The doctor reassured me " we do this all the time " , " no problem " . In 36

> hours, she developed fever, high pitched screaming, loss of appetite,

> lethargy and was hospitalized for 5 days. Her health had a down hill

> slide ever since. Eczema, frequent colds and ear infections, multiple

> food allergies, low muscle tone, poor sense of balance, underweight,

> developmental delays are among her symptoms which I am sure, were

> caused by the vaccines.

> Her health problems surfaced soon after the shots. I started research

> into vaccines. I read " Vaccination, the issue of our time " " What every

> parent should know about childhood vaccination " , " The consumers guide

> to childhood vaccines " , " DTP, The vaccine roulette " (Video), " DTP, A

> shot in the dark " , etc, etc. I was horrified by what I found out. Most

> of the diseases that we are vaccinated against are either very rare or

> are self limiting diseases. Overloading an infant's developing immune

> system with harsh chemicals, disease antigens and animal DNA's hardly

> seems appropriate way to help a baby's ability to fight diseases, but

> rather, hinders it. By carefully weighing the risk and benefit of

> catching the actual diseases and the chance of recovery thus acquire

> natural immunity with the risk and benefit of getting artificial

> immunity through vaccines thus receiving the toxins along with it and

> having an adverse reaction. My husband and I decided against further

> vaccinate both of our children. In my daughter's case, it was pretty

> clean cut decision. I just cann't give her any more shots to chance

> another reaction. That would be catastrophic. In my son's case, as a

> sibling, he is predisposed to adverse reactions as well. The fact that

> he had previous shots and seemed no major reactions does not mean he

> may not have a future reaction. In fact, he may have been sensitized

> by those shots he got and may be a prime candidate for an adverse

> reaction to a future shot. I would rather take our chances with the

> actual diseases. Our doctor said something to the effect of " the

> absence of disease does not indicate true health. True health means

> that you get sick and then recover. That indicates superior immunity. "

> I was very happay when this past spring both my kids got chicken pox

> and recovered from it naturally. We also joined a local support group

> and received a lot of support and help.

>

> I recently got something from our insurance company that included

> information on " Give your child a healthy start " . The childhood

> immunization schedule includes 3 hep-B, 4 DTaP, 4 Hib, 3 Polio, 3

> Rotavirus, 1 MMR, 1 Varicella for newborn to 18 months of age. That is

> a total of 29 doses. Then 13 more doses of those from age 4 to 16.

> There are more vaccines being developed. There is something very wrong

> about this picture. Why cann't people see it? I told some of my

> friends about my daughter to warn them the danger of vaccines. Hoping

> that they would look into the issue for their own children. Quess

> what, it fell on deaf's ears. Some went right ahead and gave their

> newborn every shot.

>

> Time to sign off.

>

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Wow I dont know what happened there, her biggest concern is to keep the

cost of treatment as low as possible while getting me better. I did see a

Dr Baumzwieger in southern CA, he was the mad scientist doc I spoke of,

he really educated me on a lot of treatments. He also is the doc that

had all of my blood work done(28 vials in 4 days) he had me checked for

fungus, virus', immune function, and the Hemex work a very good doc but

it's just to expencive to go out there and stay for weeks at a time,

veterans from all over the country go see him.

Dr. Rathod did get me tested for myco and I got the results today, I

was positive for fermentans and hominus, dont know a whole lot about

hominus, It might sound strange but I'm almost glad to have a known

disease, after spending 3 yrs going from doc to doc to have them tell me

it was all in my head, it's a relief to know what I have. I just didn't

want to be one of the veterans that got into nerve agent or other bad

chemical, you cant fight those, but this can be fought

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In a message dated 01/15/2000 8:24:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Crazyjerk@... writes:

>

> a week or two with my other e-mail addy but it's not working so I joined

> again with this one so I can communicate(can't communicate with other

> e-mail, only receive) I live in New Jersey and took biology at Rutgers but

I

> quit because I became ill. I didn't become ill with hiv though. I have

lupus

> anticougulation syndrome. I was studying to make a cure for aids and that's

> why I joined this list. Does anyone else live in New Jersey that is on this

> list?

I live in New York City, but have friends in Jersey and love to go to Sandy

Hook. I had a friend with lupus. She was told she had six months to live.

Then I got her started on rebounding. Within one week, she was going of the

house for the first time in months. After two weeks she went back to work.

That was about a dozen years ago.

Doctors treat illness like it's a drug deficiency. Too often, it just the

opposite. Polypharmacy and doctors are now leading causes of death.

(for more info on rebounding see <A HREF= " http://ehealth.htmlplanet.com " >Plan

et Health</A>)

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Thanks to all of you who took the time to answer me.

The Red Devil I used is intended for drain cleaning. It says it is 99% sodium

Hydroxide, so I guess the 1% left is the blue colorant I told you. I won´t

attempt to make soap again until I get some pure lye from a pharmacist. The

recipes I used,(from the net, I just don´t remember where, there are so many

soap pages out there) called for Red Devil.

Wiz: Thanks a lot for the links you send.

Lulu

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Hi Cheri,

The first tape is compete instruction along with many different positions to chose from. It also includes the natural face lift at the end.

It was created to be used as your own personal tool kit to give you all you would need to work out a program for yourself. I found that many wanted a workout, start to finish so I created all of the new workout videos with no instruction, just the complete balanced body workout.

I think that the descriptions on the web site don't do justice to the workout one tape. My fault as I was trying to get the information to my web designer. I personally love workout one and it seems to be true of most others as I have had rave reviews. The difference is that workout one has more ballet type leg exercises along with the great floor exercises that work all body parts, including stretching out and strengthening the lower back. The workout two has in place of the ballet type exercises, chair exercises that again work the legs totally, but in a very different way.

I am certain if you wait awhile you will get in put from others on the workout one. No one has seen workout two since it will not be ready to ship for about one to two weeks.

I hope this helps.

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From: T Fisher <johnncheri@...> I have not started a program yet. I am considering purchasing the firstLifeLift tape and then one of the 2 workout tapes. I have gotten theimpression from what I have been reading that the LL method is moregentle than the others. However, I have some questions. 1) Is there also a workout routine on the first tape, or is it strictlymethod?2) Can you get by with just the first tape?3) In choosing one of the 2 workout tapes, the 2nd one looks morerounded. Does anyone have recommendations on which of the 2 to get if Ionly got one?I sure appreciate your input.Thank you, Cheri

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Hi Amy,

I am trying to stay off the computer today to finish some of these projects, but I saw your message and had to say we missed you too!

So glad you are back with us.

Rashelle

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From: pgmr1@... Hi everyone,I unsubscribed for a couple of days, because I thought I couldn't keep up with all the mail, but I missed you guys too much so I'm back. I am so inspired by all of you I just couldn't stay away. Time for bed now. Goodnight all.Amy:o)

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Hi Amy,

Welcome back!

Karma

Hi

From: pgmr1@... Hi everyone,I unsubscribed for a couple of days, because I thought I couldn't keep up with all the mail, but I missed you guys too much so I'm back. I am so inspired by all of you I just couldn't stay away. Time for bed now. Goodnight all.Amy :o)

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Amy,

I know what you mean about keeping up! YOu have to stay on top of this list!

I've been away for several days because I've been moving and I've come back

to a mountain of email. I've been trying to get to bed for some time but I

just can't stop reading! I'm like Karma....I think I'm an addict!! I'm going

to have to stop for a while and go to bed and finish up tomorrow. Glad you

came back to us!!!

Maggie

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Darlene, Darlene, Darlene,

How many times do I need to tell you to cut yourself a break!?! You and I

really need to work on those perfectionist issues don't we??

Glad to see you posting, jump in whenever. Yours is an important voice

(especially to me).

(from Alabama---50 miles or so up the road from Darlene--hi girlfriend!)

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Welcome back, Darlene!!

Hi

> I don't know how many of you remember me since it's been quite awhile

> since I

> posted. Gee, it's hard to keep up! I'm on message 1300 out of about

> 1600.

> Did you know everybody's posted that much since February? I just

> read Libby

> and Bonnie's posts about their turning negatives into positives, and

> I felt

> like I needed to post. (Wow, ladies - you're wonderful!)

>

> I just wanted to say how much I enjoy this list and how much I

> especially

> love Rashelle. I've been " talking " to her for going on two years

> now, and

> I'm so glad that she is here to help us. This is the most supportive

> list

> that I've ever been on, and I love you all so much. I know I haven't

> posted

> much lately, and part of it is my unfortunate perfectionistic

> tendencies. I

> feel sometimes as if I have to have all of the answers before I post

> - just

> in case somebody asks me something I don't know! I am coming to

> realize that

> I need to jump in there and tell everybody how I feel and offer what

> I can in

> spite of myself! <grin>

>

> Now that I've posted once, I think the next time won't be far

> behind. But I

> did want everybody to know I really am here and that I do pray for

> you, too.

>

> Smiles,

> Darlene

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Darlene, Glad you're back sis BIG:-) Looking forward to hearing from you again soon, and am glad you have been praying too :-)

God bless, Bonnie

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Oh Darlene,

How perfect that you have written today. I closed my eyes last night wondering if you were ok since I had not heard from you in a while. I am so glad to have you back. I missed you.

Take care,

Rashelle

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I don't know how many of you remember me since it's been quite awhile since Iposted. Gee, it's hard to keep up! I'm on message 1300 out of about 1600. Did you know everybody's posted that much since February? I just read Libby and Bonnie's posts about their turning negatives into positives, and I felt like I needed to post. (Wow, ladies - you're wonderful!) I just wanted to say how much I enjoy this list and how much I especially love Rashelle. I've been "talking" to her for going on two years now, and I'm so glad that she is here to help us. This is the most supportive list that I've ever been on, and I love you all so much. I know I haven't posted much lately, and part of it is my unfortunate perfectionistic tendencies. I feel sometimes as if I have to have all of the answers before I post - just in case somebody asks me something I don't know! I am coming to realize thatI need to jump in there and tell everybody how I feel and offer what I can inspite of myself! <grin>Now that I've posted once, I think the next time won't be far behind. But I did want everybody to know I really am here and that I do pray for you, too. Smiles,Darlene

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Hi Everyone,

Earlier today I received a message from someone needing some extra help. I thought some of these ideas might help some of you.

I have included the list I gave her below. I hope it helps you in reaching and maintaining your goals.

Take care,

Rashelle

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Make a check list. Buy or find a tablet that is just for this. We will call it your wish book.

In this book I want you to write down exactly what it is that you want for yourself in detail. A small tablet that will fit in your purse is best so you can have it with you all the time.

Now, you will create a page that has a list of what you need to do to reach those goals.

Like this.

1-Do at least 20 minutes of my Life Lift breaths daily. Make a place to check this off. Add spaces to check off when you do extra like while you are sitting at the computer. I feel adding a few here and there is a big key for you, so do a few breaths as often as possible.

2-Drink at least 8 glasses of water daily Write down 8 spaces and check off the space each time you drink a glass of water.

3-Write down 6 spaces to check off when you have eaten. For snacks buy some Granola bars, I like NatureValley, get some Snack Well vanilla cookies, or something small, but tasty, something low in sodium. Get some fruit, some tiny peeled carrots, other things that are crunchy and take time to chew, yet have a nice taste to you.

Love,

Rashelle

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In a message dated 5/24/00 3:41:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

syd_monk@... writes:

By the way there was a post some weeks ago on a good cure for

fingernail fungus. I am not sure if it was this group or not. Does

anyone recall that post? I could use it right now I think.

*****

I don`t recall the post...but VICK`s vapor-rub, applied daily, will kill any

nail fungus.

Worked great for me, natural, too.

Well wishes,

debmc

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Hi back, Syd. Hope the treatments are going well for you. Are you having

any side effects? Any depression?

I don't recall a remedy for fingernail fungus on this list, and I've heard

it's hard to treat.

Tree

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Hi Syd,

Wooo Hooo,for you!!!!

That is SOOOOO Great to hear!!

You must be feeling much better!!

Sheila :)

Hi

My name is Syd. I have been lurking for sometime now and thought I should introduce myself.I was first diagnosed with non A non B hep 30 years ago. Recentlythe illness has progressed to the point where further tests were called for. I am 1b with a viral load of 20,000. My doctor decided that since most of my tests were normal, although ALT's were a littlehigh, to skip a biopsy and get me going on combo right away. I am 9 months along now and at 6 months I was undetectable, so that's pretty good for a 1b. We will see if I relapse or not.By the way there was a post some weeks ago on a good cure for fingernail fungus. I am not sure if it was this group or not. Does anyone recall that post? I could use it right now I think.Syd

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Yeah-I chew the heck out of mine! (fingernails) Glad to hear you're doing so

good and also that you were able to skip the biopsy. I've had HCV for about

30 years also and I'm in the same viral load as you and also in my 9th

month.

Keep us posted.

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Hi

> My name is Syd. I have been lurking for sometime now and thought I

> should introduce myself.

>

> I was first diagnosed with non A non B hep 30 years ago. Recently

> the

> illness has progressed to the point where further tests were called

> for. I am 1b with a viral load of 20,000. My doctor decided that

> since most of my tests were normal, although ALT's were a little

> high,

> to skip a biopsy and get me going on combo right away. I am 9 months

> along now and at 6 months I was undetectable, so that's pretty good

> for a 1b. We will see if I relapse or not.

>

> By the way there was a post some weeks ago on a good cure for

> fingernail fungus. I am not sure if it was this group or not. Does

> anyone recall that post? I could use it right now I think.

>

> Syd

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The treatment seems to be going OK. It has turned me into a " can't get it

done " kind of a guy in a way though. No spark or energy. The Hep was alot

like that and in a way it's hard to know what's affecting me right now,

liver damage, hep or the treatments. They are all so identical in effects.

However, all in all, it's not so bad. I don't have to work (SDI) so I don't

have to worry about the disaster I would be to any employer. I don't have

any family so no worries there. Additionally, I have avoided some of the

worst complications so I have to consider myslef relatively lucky. If I

don't relapse I will have dodged a bullet on this one.

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>Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:50:53 EDT

>

>Hi back, Syd. Hope the treatments are going well for you. Are you having

>any side effects? Any depression?

>

>I don't recall a remedy for fingernail fungus on this list, and I've heard

>it's hard to treat.

>

>Tree

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I agree with you on this marie.

My mom was resistant to try anything that was beneficial for her. I think

the fear of failure,.... that something might not work, was enough to keep

her away from anything that could " potentially " help.

It is true that everyone reacts differently to things. Funny you should

mention the carrot juice since that's what I do whenever I'm on the verge of

a cold. Works just about every time. I usually throw abit of parsley in

also.

I know 2 people who have had lumps in their colons. One definitely

cancerous and the other was potentially cancerous. Within a month of taking

about 30 apricot seeds a day, they had reduced the lumps completely.

I guess everyone needs to go with what they feel is right.. For me, I've

seen it work when other alternatives looked more dangerous.

Steve

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>Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:40:02 -0000

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>I truly don't understand why everyone got so upset about the

>seeds. We must respect everyone's experiences.

>

>I for instance think that carrot juice is God's food.

>Whenever I begin to get any flu-like symptoms, I immediately

>head for the juicer and begin making the carrot juice.

>Within a day and a half I'm feeling great. I do that with

>my kids too. It works for us, but I have met people who

>have difficulties digesting carrot juice, and just can't do

>what I do.

>

>But at the same time, I must admit that I was truly amused by how

>heated up the arguement got. The topic of how effective the

>seeds truly are, has been on my mind a lot lately, as in the last

>5 years, 3 of my friends have died. One lady had a bit of cancer

>in her liver, and I told her about the seeds, but she never even

>tried them. Maybe some people do have a death wish.

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>Bye for now, Marie

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Hi Ronda,

I am in ville Fl, I also have a 5 yr old that until last week was

fully vaccinated w/no apparent problems. I denied the two boosters of polio

& dpt that he was required to have for school entry. I am enrolling him in

Kindergarten tomorrow with my exemption letter ready to go. I have a 16 mo

old who is still breastfed and is partially vaxed, I stopped at 7 mos w/him

when he began to wheeze 3 days after receiving his first dose of Hep B

vaccine. I initially stalled our pediatrician by telling him I was

researching the vaccine issue and wanted to wait...also w/the wheezing

seeming to be a now chronic problem, I told the doc I didn't want him

vaccinated since he appeared to be ill. I had to advise the pediatrician at

my son's 5 yr check up that I was delaying shots indefinitely since after

much research, I was not able to give informed consent. I asked my doc if

he could tell me that the boosters would not damage my child, he could not.

He did go through the usual spiel about how vaccines are great and safe and

that his info comes from reliable sources (yeah, we know how reliable THOSE

are) and that it was his duty as our doc to give us that info. He did also

say that he would not refuse to treat my children based on my decision.

Please feel free to email me, and others on the list are very helpful with

any questions you might have.

suschi@... or paris_sun@...

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>Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:13:06 -0700

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>Hi. My name is Ronda and I am new here. I have a 5 year old son who is

>fully vaccinated and had no problems. I just had a baby, which is now 1

>month old, and i refuse to have her vaccinated because of the risks

>involved. I know of 2 babies in my area who have died already from the 2

>month shots. I live in Homosassa, FL and really need to find someone in

>this area who refuses to have their baby vaccinated too. I need to talk to

>someone about this. I am soooo scared to tell the pediatrician that i am

>not having my daughter vaccinated, in fear that she wont want to see my

>daughter anymore or will try to have her taken from me for neglect or

>something. I am scared, but DO NOT want to vaccinate her. I am also

>scared of the diseases she might get from not being vaccinated too. Am I

>doing the right thing to not vaccinate? I am so confused and scared. I

>think about this EVERY single day and i cant get it out of my head. I only

>have 1 month before i have to tell the pediatrician that i am not

>vaccinating her. She will probably bitch me out and say that my daughter

>will catch one of the diseases. I know she will pressure me, but i have to

>be strong. I wish i could find a doctor in this area that would not have a

>problem with me not vaccinating. Can someone PLEASE help me? Is there

>anyone from this area out there? I live about 1 hour north of Tampa, FL in

>case anyone doesnt know where Homosassa is. I need some advice badly. I

>also am breastfeeding so will that make her immune system handle things

>better? I am so worried about SIDS too, even if i dont vaccinate. I worry

>about everything. I just dont want to lose my little girl after all my

>husband and i went through to have her. What about school? How do i get a

>religious exemption when i dont belong to any type of religious group, or

>dont even go to church? Am I gonna have to homeschool her? If not, will

>she catch the unvaccinated diseases at school? Please help.

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Hi Ronda!

I don't live anywhere

near FL so I can't help you there, but I just wanted to tell you that my

13 month old has never had a shot for anything, my doctor is fine with

this, nobody has threatened to take him away and breastfeeding is a super

way to boost the immune system of the baby! =)

Having said that, I also

want to point out that the drug companies and doctors have been very successful

in brainwashing us all into thinking that measles, mumps, and the like

are horrible, deadly, incurable diseases that lurk in dark corners waiting

to POUNCE on the children of "those people too dumb or lazy" <wink>

to keep with the vaccine schedules. That simply is not the case.

I don't have all the

links that the other Mamas do but I'm sure they'll email them to you/the

group. Rest assured that you are in good company here! =)

/Odrade

mrjr wrote:

Hi. My name

is Ronda and I am new here. I have a 5 year old son who is fully

vaccinated and had no problems. I just had a baby, which is now 1

month old, and i refuse to have her vaccinated because of the risks involved.

I know of 2 babies in my area who have died already from the 2 month shots.

I live in Homosassa, FL and really need to find someone in this area who

refuses to have their baby vaccinated too. I need to talk to someone

about this. I am soooo scared to tell the pediatrician that i am

not having my daughter vaccinated, in fear that she wont want to see my

daughter anymore or will try to have her taken from me for neglect or something.

I am scared, but DO NOT want to vaccinate her. I am also scared of

the diseases she might get from not being vaccinated too. Am I doing

the right thing to not vaccinate? I am so confused and scared.

I think about this EVERY single day and i cant get it out of my head.

I only have 1 month before i have to tell the pediatrician that i am not

vaccinating her. She will probably bitch me out and say that my daughter

will catch one of the diseases. I know she will pressure me, but

i have to be strong. I wish i could find a doctor in this area that

would not have a problem with me not vaccinating. Can someone PLEASE

help me? Is there anyone from this area out there? I live about

1 hour north of Tampa, FL in case anyone doesnt know where Homosassa is.

I need some advice badly. I also am breastfeeding so will that make

her immune system handle things better? I am so worried about SIDS

too, even if i dont vaccinate. I worry about everything. I

just dont want to lose my little girl after all my husband and i went through

to have her. What about school? How do i get a religious exemption

when i dont belong to any type of religious group, or dont even go to church?

Am I gonna have to homeschool her? If not, will she catch the unvaccinated

diseases at school? Please help.

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