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[Guest guest]

hey cricket,

gosh i can't believe my luck... finally someone in raleigh who doesn't

vaccinate either, lol. i live in holly springs!!!!!!! we haven't, up

to now, had the need to find a ped, but i guess from what i've heard

in the neighborhood, it's real hard to find one that goes along with

our opinions! it's much more important to them that the cash flow is

right at the end of the day, and it won't be if their patients don't

get vaccinated! i also got a lot of bullying from the school my 9 year

old daughter attends (she's about to come out, i'm going to

homeschool!). but once they realized that i know as much as they do,

they've kept a somewhat lower profile... btw, my son is two days

younger than your daughter, maybe we should get together, you can

e-mail me if you're interested!

anyways, welcome to the list, you'll learn loads here. there is a

vaccine awareness group in n.c., in charlotte, it's run by lisa

(forgotten her 2nd name), her e-mail addy is werpave@..., if

you're interested.

love and light

claudia

---Pure Power <purepower@...> wrote:

> My name is Crickett Brown. My husband, Mike, & I have one daughter

to this point. Her name is and she just turned 14 m.o. March 2nd.

I am a SAHM who helps run the Internet-related business my husband

started. Since our business does not support us fully yet, my husband

does have a regular 40-hour-a-week job as a computer programmer in

PowerBuilder.

>

> We moved from Orlando, FL (where my husband & I both lived our whole

lives) to Raleigh, NC this past July.

>

> Right before our daughter was born, a friend gave us some

information on vaccinations and how they are not necessary due to the

fact the way our bodies' natural defenses work. I discussed this with

my pediatrician in Orlando and, of course, he said that isn't true,

the occurrences of the diseases have gone way down due to the

vaccinations, yada, yada... Unfortunately, I didn't research

vaccinations any further and my husband wasn't encouraging in this

area, so we did start our daughter's shots. However, I just couldn't

continue them, so the last set she had was the 6-month set (which were

given when she was 8 months old). Thank goodness she hasn't had any

side effects to this point!!

>

> So, that's where I'm at. I've just started looking into the research

of not vaccinating. I have not had to address this with our current

pediatrician, but the time is coming so I want to be as prepared as

possible.

>

> I look forward to joining this discussion.

> Crickett

>

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Nadine -

I would love to have the titles of the articles, books, and web sights you

mentioned below. I am just starting out in my quest for knowledge in this area,

so any input would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Crickett, mommy to (1/2/98)

At 09:13 PM 3/7/1999 EST, you wrote:

>From: GJB12292@...

>

>Camille, I read ALOT of books (How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of your

>Doctor), articles (especially in MOTHERHOOD magazine) and internet info. It

>wasn't a question of whether or not I had information with me, just knowing

>that there was alot of pro- and anti- info. out there and I had made an

> " educated " decision based on all the information I had. I just really did my

>homework so to speak. I was also asked to leave my first pediatricians

>practice (almost 6 years ago) and asked around for people with like minds for

>their pediatrician. I actually told a white lie on our initial form at my

>current ped. office when they asked if all of my son's shots were current. He

>was extremely sick and we had just moved into the area. I was afraid they

>wouldn't see him. As it turns out, I had nothing to be afraid of. It is all

>a matter of having the courage of your convictions. Not whether or not you

>have the " right " information, just what is right for YOU. I still worry, at

>times, whether or not I have made the right choices for my children ( I have a

>6 year old little boy, and a 2 year old little girl) but I have to believe I

>;am doing what is best at this time. Good luck on your search and I am here,

>as well as MANY others, for support. Let me know if you need titles of

>articles, books, websights, etc....keep in touch. Sincerely,Nadine

>

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[Guest guest]

, Welcome!! How lucky you are to have such an understanding

pediatrician!! And I think I speak for most of us associated with this

websight. I'm curious, where are you from? I used to know a Lambpert

in Fort Lauderdale. Just curious. Take care. Nadine

[Guest guest]

>How do you support/defend your choice not to vaccinate without sounding like a

>lunatic who doesn't care for their childs welfare?

I do it logically.

1. Vaccines are toxic

2. possible animal viral contamination

3. vaccines do not simulate natural infection. the science of how vaccine work

is not well understood.

4. long term effects on the immune system are unkown

5. vaccines can change the age shift of disease to make the young and the old

more vulnerable.

the list goes on that way.

Welcome .

Sebastiana

At 11:57 PM 3/20/99 EST, you wrote:

>From: RJMaxcy@...

>

>Hello,

>

>I've just wandered into this list recently and thought I would introduce

>myself. I am 30 years old and have never been vaccinated. My parents had

>nine kids and stopped vaccinating and began questioning when my older brother

>had a severe reaction to the measles(?) vaccine. Consequently, myself and

>five of my siblings are not vaccinated. We are all quite healthy. I now have

>two children, ages 3.5 and 2, and they are unvaccinated and doing great.

>

>I find it extremely difficult to talk to others about this subject (unless

>they are already like minded). It seems the propaganda and lies are so

>abundant and engrained in our society that people rarely even question doing

>something other than what their doctor recommends.

>

>How do you support/defend your choice not to vaccinate without sounding like a

>lunatic who doesn't care for their childs welfare?

>

>Thanks, it's nice to find support for this very important

>(sometimes life altering) choice.

>

>

>

>P.S. Does anybody else get really mad about what all this mandatory

>vaccinating is doing to our human race?!!! Survival of the fittest is natures

>supreme way of creating a healthy race, now we're all alive but sick with

>autoimmune disorders and creating a dying breed. This is not, I'm sure, the

>best thing for humanity.

>

>

>

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Welcome !

It's so neat to hear from adults who were not vaccinated!

I think it is a testimonial to our choices to not vaccinate

our children.

Did you experience the 'typical' childhood diseases?

How did you do with them if you did?

In reference to defending/sharing my choice about not

vaccinating. Some people jump to, " oh my, you gotta

give 'em their shots! " I simply and calmly ask them if

they've done any extensive research on the matter. I ask

if they have any idea of any adverse effects or what is

actually contained in the vaccines - besides the dead

viruses. Most people say, " uuuhhh... no. " At that point,

if their interested, I will share what I've learned. Otherwise

the conversation is over. One of my very best friends

who was a mentor throughout my pregnancy and attended

my home birth had her child vaccinated. When it came time

for me to make that decision and I was struggling so much

she simply said, " It seems like your intuition has already

given you your answer, so just listen. " I thought that was

a kind thing to say... even though she believes differently.

Yes, I too get very upset and angry that we, as parents, are

entrusted to bring up a child but we aren't entrusted to

make the best decisions about what we put into our

children's bodies. It make me absolutely sick that the

almight dollar takes precedence over the health and well

being of our beloved babies.

Hope you enjoy the list as much as I do.

Sherri

RJMaxcy@... wrote:

> From: RJMaxcy@...

>

> Hello,

>

> I've just wandered into this list recently and thought I would introduce

> myself. I am 30 years old and have never been vaccinated. My parents had

> nine kids and stopped vaccinating and began questioning when my older brother

> had a severe reaction to the measles(?) vaccine. Consequently, myself and

> five of my siblings are not vaccinated. We are all quite healthy. I now have

> two children, ages 3.5 and 2, and they are unvaccinated and doing great.

>

> I find it extremely difficult to talk to others about this subject (unless

> they are already like minded). It seems the propaganda and lies are so

> abundant and engrained in our society that people rarely even question doing

> something other than what their doctor recommends.

>

> How do you support/defend your choice not to vaccinate without sounding like a

> lunatic who doesn't care for their childs welfare?

>

> Thanks, it's nice to find support for this very important

> (sometimes life altering) choice.

>

>

>

> P.S. Does anybody else get really mad about what all this mandatory

> vaccinating is doing to our human race?!!! Survival of the fittest is natures

> supreme way of creating a healthy race, now we're all alive but sick with

> autoimmune disorders and creating a dying breed. This is not, I'm sure, the

> best thing for humanity.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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>

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[Guest guest]

hi cory, my name is jacki and i live in cranford. we have 3 children and no

longer vaccinate after our third was injured by his DTP vaccine. your

message stated you've researched vaccines but do you vaccinate? we were so

incredibly uninformed when we went into this. hope to hear from you. jacki

introduction

>From: Cmermer@...

>

>Hello

>

>Me and my wife and 2 children live in Westfield, NJ. I have been involved

in

>vaccine research since my wife was first pregnant 3 years ago. If anyone

>lives in Wesfield or nearby, I would be interested in getting in contact.

>

>Take care

>

>Cory

>

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Dear " " , here. If you tried to get FDA, AMA,

WHO to sign a form stating that vaccines are safe, they couldn't.

However, having been in the research business for many years, I can tell

you that there are many doctors and immunologists who don't get their

kids done, and don't tell anyone about it. Extended breast feeding. As

I said in my general letter last week, when our first was born I was

told that I couldn't breastfeed. Ian gave me the sack at 20.5 months,

because I was 7 months pregnant, and every time he came for a feed he

got belted up by in utero. fed for 4 and threequarter years

(don't choke - he was an allergic baby, but is not now!). Have to admit

I was pleased to have my front back though. I didn't wean him

actually. I had a stroke because of a viral infection in the trigeminal

nerve channel, and the time in hospital was a long enough break to make

more scathing of the procedure. (And no, I was not very

co-operative in hospital, refused their drugs and did it my way)

You will have received the Catholics and Moslems file. The interesting

thing about these sorts of articles is that even though they are based

on factual medical information, doctors and people in high places get

very upset by them. They say things like " What would she know? " " What

med-school did she go to? " or " lay people always misinterpret things,

and the information is misinformation. " Bollocks. There is nothing to

misinterpret in these types of articles. Its as plain as the print on

the page. So, do be prepared, no matter how impressed you are with your

doctor, for an allergic reaction to such articles. Prescribe

antihistamine for her, if she reacts this way.

Don't forget home schooling as an option. Do you really want your child

in surroundings where the topics are so often determined by the

" sponsors " , and the prevailing ideology. At least, if nothing else,

teach your children to read by the phonics method - yourself. And make

sure you explain to them all along the way, why you are bringing them up

that way, and have the proof available for them to read when they get to

the teenager stage, because in this country (maybe yours) once they get

to 12 years, the " consent " forms are written TO THE CHILD not to the

parent.

Regards

wrote:

> Hello, I would like to introduce myself. My name is . My

> husband Don and I have a beautiful, healthy daughter, Payton, who just

> turned 15 months. She has not been vaccinated because we have many

> concerns about vaccinations. I have been researching the issue for

> about a year and still have no clear answers about whether or not

> vaccinations are safe. We have chosen to have extended breastfeeding,

> delayed introduction of solids, and not enroll her in a day care (Don

> is at home with her), in addition to not vaccinating her. We believe

> that this approach is right for us. We have had to deal with a few

> very pushy people about this issue. The hospital ped. could not

> believe that we did not want to give her the Hep B the day after she

> was born. But we both had researched it and knew that would not even

> consider that shot! The nurse at our ped.'s office told us it was

> time (in September) for a pertussis shot because it was pertussis

> season. We informed her that we would not be giving that shot at the

> current time. I guess she would be shocked to learn that Payton made

> it through the entire winter season without anything, not even a

> cold. We live in Idaho and if you don't know it, Idaho is currently

> ranked like 47th in immunizations. But with the new governor and his

> time of the child campaign, I see that changing. But Idaho has

> fiercely independent people and there are some large groups that

> question vaccinations. Today I met a new family practice doctor that

> believes in the wholistic approach to treating people. We talked

> about vaccinations and she said she knew that this was a very

> controversial topic these days (she admitted there are questions).

> She also said if she had kids she would probably vaccinate but that

> she had not done as much research as I had. She said if we decided to

> take Payton to her, she would like to know our reasons for not

> vaccinating. And she would not badger us about that decision but she

> may question us about the new findings and information in the future.

> Overall she said that doctors don't know it all and this wholistic

> approach is new to the conventional doctors and she learns alot from

> her patients. I was impressed! Anyway, thank you all for all of the

> valuable information on this list!

--

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,

Please check out www.909shot.com and www.thinktwice.com I think you will find

them informative.

Introduction

Hi everyone,

My name is Katy and my dh is . We have a 3 month old son Oliver, and we

have decided not to vaccinate. Right now, I am still researching vaccinations,

but i don't think our son will recieve any of his shots. If anyone has any good

web sites they have found to be informative, olease send them to me. We decided

not to vaccinate based on some info that I stumbled on one day while web

surfing. We didn't have a bad experiance with any of the shots, we just decided

that until we have completed our research, he can always get the shots a little

late, but once he has them, we can not undo any damage they cause. Thank you

for reading all of this, and I am looking forward to hearing about everyone and

learning from you and your experiances.

Thank You

Katy

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In a message dated 5/20/99 8:10:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Cvroth@...

writes:

<< can't imagine what it was like for people opposing

or questioning vaccines prior to the internet. >>

HI

This was me almost 8 years ago when oldest ds, Tyler, was born. At 2

months I allowed him to be fully vaccinated, not knowing the effects, then

when he was 3 months was when I became acquainted with our beloved Homeopath

who opened my eyes to the vaccines. At 4 months when I asked the

pediatrician for the Polio shot instead of the oral swallow, they looked at

me like I was nuts and said that infants are only given the live virus. If I

wanted the shot I had to go to another town where they give vaccinations for

world travelers. These people were the only ones who had the shot. They

also told me that if I got him the shot, I might as well give him NOTHING

because the shot was not as effective as the oral swallow kind!

And then, 5 or 6 years later, guess what??? Polio swallows are no longer

given to infants!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I had had this list 8 years ago, it would

have been SO SO much easier to refuse the shots! This list and the info.

online has saved many lives and much pain and suffering, I am sure!

Kerin

[Guest guest]

Welcome Traci!

First you do not have to keep the appt. if you are uncomfortable, remember

you are not held prisoner to your doctor and what they want to do to your

children.

I see a chiropractor for my family doctor and the medical doctor I have for

emergancies,or if my chiro refers me to him. The M.D. is great he sees alot

of Amish patients and understands our not vaccinating and respects us for

it. He knows I know what I am talking about. Do your research and have the

facts...it is your best defense to those who question you.

My son, 7 mos. now, has only seen the M.D. at 1 week old when we had him

circumcised with our paster there too, it was a beautiful ceremony like

atmoshpere.

I take him to the chiro every 3 weeks are so, more often if he doesn't seem

" right " . If the chiro saw somthing he would refer me out. He looks at the

same things and waches him grow on a regular basis and really knows him

better then M.D. does. Chiro's are trained the same, if not better then

M.D.'s on wellness issues and I trust mine more too.

There are exemptions call your health dept. and ask that it be sent to you.

You'll learn alot here....welcome

Dawn

Introduction

> From: " Traci " <TKnoppe@...>

>

> Hello everyone:

> I just joined this list and thought I'd introduce myself. My name is

Traci,

> dh is Mark. And we just very recently decided not to continue with our

> youngest sons' shots. (All of my older children have already completed

> their's - otherwise I'd stop their's too). I only recently heard

anything

> about vaccinations being harmful and/or not effective. It wasn't until

Sam

> had a reaction to his 6 week shots that I really began to question things.

> Thankfully his reaction wasn't life threatening; but what about the next

> series?!!! After doing some research - we decided that we can not take

> that chance.

>

> I've contacted a local organization here in Missouri, trying to find out

if

> the laws in our state are applicable to homeschooled children. Apparently

> in Missouri it is the law that children must be immunized. However, I'm

> hoping this is just for children who will be attending public or private

> schools - we intend to homeschool. I'm anxiously awaiting an answer - as

> Sam's next appointment for shots is one week from today. We would like to

> bring our info to our ped. and inform her in person that we will not be

> continuing with Sam's shots. However, if there's a possibility that this

> will bring about legal action against us - we will just cancel the

> appointment and go elsewhere.

>

> What has the been the reactions of some of your doctors? I look forward

to

> getting to know everyone.

>

> Blessings,

> Traci

> Wife of: Mark

> Mom to: Lyndsay (18), Tom (16), (13),

> and also to our 2 tubal reversal babies:

> our angel Zachary ~ born still - yet *still* born on

3/22/98;

> and born 3/19/99 Psalm 127:3,5

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[Guest guest]

<<First you do not have to keep the appt. if you are uncomfortable, remember

you are not held prisoner to your doctor and what they want to do to your

children.>>

I was only uncomfortable telling her if there was a risk of legal problems;

but I have heard from someone else on this list, also from Missouri, that

assures me that what we're doing is legal in Missouri. We like our ped, and

wanted to be upfront and honest with her about our decision now - so in case

she had a problem with it, we would know if we need to look for another

doctor.

I have tons of things printed out and will be ordering some books on the

subject too. Our families are actually quite supportive of our " different "

beliefs! LOL They realize that we're the parents - not them - and they

respect our decisions. They also know that we research everything and only

do what we feel is best.

I'm so glad to have found this list!!!!

Blessings,

Traci

Wife of: Mark

Mom to: Lyndsay (18), Tom (16), (13),

and also to our 2 tubal reversal babies:

our angel Zachary ~ born still - yet *still* born on 3/22/98;

and born 3/19/99 Psalm 127:3,5

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[Guest guest]

Hi Shelby!

Welcome!

I think the reason the ped never mentioned the egg thing is because most

don't even know about it being a " passive " ingredient (by contamination)

I've heard stories of parents asking their docs what's in the shots and

they never know. Ironically, I think the MMR that is the main one that

is grown on chick embryos, and thus the contamination.

Also, I would highly recommend seeing if you can find a naturopath,

homeopath or herbalist to see if they can help with your son's excema.

They can also help with a cleansing to remove some of the toxins he has

from the first shots he got, which may be contributing to the excema. A

good chiropractor is also essential, and they may be able to refer you

to one of the other docs. Please read page 8 of my homepage which gives

you help on what you can do with alternative health to keep a vaccine

free body strong.The address is http://pages.ivillage.com/ps/carrielea

OH, and the first book I read, and felt validated by since he was a REAL

pediatrician (and an " old timer " at that!) was " How To Have A Healthy

Child - In Spite of your Doctor " by Dr. Mendelsohn. He also has a

book specifically on vaccines, which I haven't read but is probably

excellent.

If you'd like to learn more about alternative health, I publish a free

email newsletter once a month or so and cover all kinds of topics. (When

I get a chance, my next one will be on allergies and asthma) If you'd

like to receive it, just let me know at austinsmom@...

Hope you get lots of info from here!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/2/99 4:41:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

austinsmom@... writes:

<< (Dandelion herb, which is what I take while nursing and is also a liver

cleanser, is the only thing I've found besides antibiotics to clear up

the cystic acne I (still - at 32 years old) get. >>

,

what form do you take this in?An no problems with the babe and bfing?I always

thought this herb was rather strong from what I was told.Never took it

myself.It sounds like something I could use.Hey,do you know what blessed

thistle is for?

[Guest guest]

Hi Alix!

Until you can get to the homeopath, I would suggest a liver cleansing

for them with the milk thistle herb. It's a very safe herb and I tell

more about how important liver cleansing's are on my newsletter at

http;//www.geocities.com/hotsprings/sauna/6870/page4.html

I'm not sure about dosage. Maybe someone with a " smart medicine " book

can look it up? I would think as teenagers, though, they'd be close to

the adult dosage. Maybe cut it back by 1 or 2 caps a day. I'd do it for

a whole month and see if you notice a difference in their overall

health.

(Dandelion herb, which is what I take while nursing and is also a liver

cleanser, is the only thing I've found besides antibiotics to clear up

the cystic acne I (still - at 32 years old) get. Since it's cystic, I

know it's internal and has nothing to do with oily skin or all that, and

it must be that there are certain toxins that are accumulating in my

liver (which is the " oil filter " of the body)

Hope this helps a little! You might see if there's an herbalist near you

because they, too, can detox the body very well. Herbs can work on the

first, physical layer of detoxing, and homeopathics can work on the

deeper, energy levels of detoxing.

Welcome to the group!

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone

I am re-forwarding this intro as there has been a problem with my server and

I am not sure if this intor got through. I have not had any mail for days

and the server was malfunctioning when I sent this.

Look forward to hearing from you

Alix

Introduction

>

>Hi everyone

>

>My name is Alix and I am currently living in Australia (on the edge of the

>desert) for the next few years.

>

>I have 4 children - 3 who are teenagers and a 9 month old son.

>

> My interest in vaccinations began when I worked in a travellers clinic

>providing vaccinations and information for people and organizations

>travelling and working overseas often in less developed countries.

>I started seeing some vaccine related reactions. For example with giving

ADT

>(adult diptheria and tetanus adsorbed vaccination) I would occasionally

>witness a client have an immediate reaction to the vaccine. Ususally they

>would have a vaso-vagal reaction (faint) and would jerk and when they came

>to, they would report very strange dreams. I would report these reactions

to

>the drug reaction body and I would be told that it wasn't possible to have

>these reactions, that I must have hit a nerve when vaccinating, they had

too

>high antibodies etc. All this may be true but what I struggled with was the

>dismissal of the idea that there was a group of people having reactions to

>vaccinations. Not only did I witness reactions, so did other staff and

when

>I asked around more so did many other clinics.

>After this I started investigating beyond the drug company literature and

>other pro vaccination medical literature and started finding out far more

>information that gave me cause to think about vaccinations and are they

>really necessary, are they more harmful than beneficial and how effective

>they are. In particular I'm concerned about the stabilization materials

>used, the assault on the immune system by giving so many vaccines at one

>time. (Where I worked - it was common to give 8 vaccinations at one

>session).

>

>My own personal experience with my children are the 3 older children are

>vaccinated. The 2 oldest both had Measles and Mumps vaccine yet contracted

>mumps. My oldest became really sick after his MM vaccine and I have alway

>felt had a personality change from an easy going contented baby to one that

>cried, screamed and was extremely irritable all the time. Both the oldest

>children have ADD (attention deficit disorder and my oldest has been

>severely affected by it). A lot of his behaviour was very similar to

autistic behaviour. He head banged severely, rocked himself, didn't like to

be touched, difficulty with interacting with others of his own age and at

times anyone, unable to be distracted etc. However he was highly verbal as

well.

>I took him to the dr. re his extreme discontent and difficulties but no

one would listen to me or address the problem. He was 10 before he was

diagnosed as ADD yet his behaviour had been occuring for 9 years prior to

that .

Even now he does not like to be touched, unless he initiates it

>

>My youngest child is not vaccinated and both his father and I are very

happy

>with our decision.

>

>For my 3 older children I would like to use homoepathic remedies to clear

>the vaccines from their systems but here there is no homeopath to go to.

>I do plan to to see a homeopath when we go to a big town!!

>

>OK that's my story. I look foward to sharing information with you all

>

>Regards

>Alix

>

>

>

>

>

>

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KARISMA99@... wrote:

> From: KARISMA99@...

> I am a type O, and do not each much protein. (I'm a huge bread eater!!

> Which explains why I'm huge!! lol) So I want to gradually introduce myself

> to the diet.

> Take care!

> Patty :-)

From what I know about it, you are on the right track. Cut down, way down on

carbohydrates and sugar. Parasites love to feed on that stuff and they will

throw

your body out of whack because of the nutrients they rob you of. It almost gets

to the point where you are unconsciously feeding them and only them. That's

probably why all the bread.

You should look into parasite cleansing program( don't feel bad, at least 85%

of the people

have them to some degree).

Also their is a virus that is responsible for at least 15% of the obesity in

people.

An addition of a little GOOD grade of colloidal silver would help that over

time.

A few good herbs to remember is garlic, goldenseal and oregano.

Another important thing is to add some friendly bacteria to your system.

This is getting too long. You got plenty of time to learn.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/15/99 7:42:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

bjs1779@... writes:

<< You should look into parasite cleansing program( don't feel bad, at least

85%

of the people

have them to some degree).

Also their is a virus that is responsible for at least 15% of the obesity in

people.

An addition of a little GOOD grade of colloidal silver would help that over

time.

A few good herbs to remember is garlic, goldenseal and oregano.

Another important thing is to add some friendly bacteria to your system.

>>

,

Thanks for the advice. I have never heard of a parasite cleansing program.

I will research it. I know I still have a lot to learn!

Take care,

Patty

[Guest guest]

Hi to Patty and everyone else--

I'm a newbie too. Actually, I'm also a lurker; I've been reading a few of

the postings lately without ever popping in officially to say hi.

Patty, I'm overweight also. Nothing major, but I want to lose weight and,

more important, be more energetic and simply feel healthier. I'm also type

O. I actually love protein--give me a broiled hamburger with melted

mozzeralla cheese on it--yum! But I also love bread, with a particular

weakness for sourdough. I'm also about to give the ER4YT method a go.

Basically, I just wanted to say " Good luck " and hang in there. I'll do the

same.

Swimming in New York--

Jackie

>From: KARISMA99@...

>

>I'm a newbie, so I thought I'd take a few seconds to introduce myself.

>

>My name is Patty. I'm 22 years old, born and raised in Miami, FL. I have

>been battling a serious weight problem all my life and have tried many

> " unnatural " methods for weight loss. Only a few were successful and the

>success did not last long! My highest weight was 290 only a few months ago,

>and am now down to 270, thanks to exercise--which is my worst enemy!!! Ha,

>Ha.

>

>I was told about the ER4YT diet by a friend who's doctor recommended it for

>her Autistic child and their family.

>

>I came across the Cooking right 4 your type book shortly after learning of

>the diet and bought it out of curiosity. After reading, I'm convinced this

>is the way of life for me!!

>

>I have not begun the diet yet....mostly due to Hurricane Floyd, but plan to

>in the next day or so.

>

>I am a type O, and do not each much protein. (I'm a huge bread eater!!

>Which explains why I'm huge!! lol) So I want to gradually introduce myself

>to the diet.

>

>I look forward to hearing from you and your ideas and recipes. Especially

>the recipes!! And if anyone out there is also using the diet as a weight

>loss method and new way of life.. I'd love to hear your ideas or any advice

>you may have for a newcomer.

>

>Take care!

>Patty :-)

>

>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/17/99 2:08:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

debmcb@... writes:

<< I eat nothing but the

beneficial foods, and feel absolutely wonderful, but I have not lost any

weight at all. I am 5'8' and have put on thirty pounds in the past five

years so I am up to 170 lbs. I can't seem to loose it no matter what. >>

Debbie,

I can relate. My only advice would be to exercise, and drink tons of water!

I know it's not exactly what you want to hear .. but it's the truth!

Patty

[Guest guest]

I have been on the erfyt o diet for four months. I eat nothing but the

beneficial foods, and feel absolutely wonderful, but I have not lost any

weight at all. I am 5'8' and have put on thirty pounds in the past five

years so I am up to 170 lbs. I can't seem to loose it no matter what. I am

sedentary as I sit in an office all day and at night take care of my six

children, so I have very little time for me to exercise like I would like

to. What could I be doing wrong?

Thank you,

Debbie

Re: Introduction

> From: Jackie Kessler <kesslerj@...>

>

> Hi to Patty and everyone else--

>

> I'm a newbie too. Actually, I'm also a lurker; I've been reading a few of

> the postings lately without ever popping in officially to say hi.

>

> Patty, I'm overweight also. Nothing major, but I want to lose weight and,

> more important, be more energetic and simply feel healthier. I'm also type

> O. I actually love protein--give me a broiled hamburger with melted

> mozzeralla cheese on it--yum! But I also love bread, with a particular

> weakness for sourdough. I'm also about to give the ER4YT method a go.

>

> Basically, I just wanted to say " Good luck " and hang in there. I'll do the

> same.

>

> Swimming in New York--

> Jackie

>

> >From: KARISMA99@...

> >

> >I'm a newbie, so I thought I'd take a few seconds to introduce myself.

> >

> >My name is Patty. I'm 22 years old, born and raised in Miami, FL. I

have

> >been battling a serious weight problem all my life and have tried many

> > " unnatural " methods for weight loss. Only a few were successful and the

> >success did not last long! My highest weight was 290 only a few months

ago,

> >and am now down to 270, thanks to exercise--which is my worst enemy!!!

Ha,

> >Ha.

> >

> >I was told about the ER4YT diet by a friend who's doctor recommended it

for

> >her Autistic child and their family.

> >

> >I came across the Cooking right 4 your type book shortly after learning

of

> >the diet and bought it out of curiosity. After reading, I'm convinced

this

> >is the way of life for me!!

> >

> >I have not begun the diet yet....mostly due to Hurricane Floyd, but plan

to

> >in the next day or so.

> >

> >I am a type O, and do not each much protein. (I'm a huge bread eater!!

> >Which explains why I'm huge!! lol) So I want to gradually introduce

myself

> >to the diet.

> >

> >I look forward to hearing from you and your ideas and recipes.

Especially

> >the recipes!! And if anyone out there is also using the diet as a weight

> >loss method and new way of life.. I'd love to hear your ideas or any

advice

> >you may have for a newcomer.

> >

> >Take care!

> >Patty :-)

> >

> >---------------------------

[Guest guest]

If you can find time for the exercise you will be glad you did. In my

opinion a long slow run or walk is better for you than sleep. It's

really hard in the beginning but if you build up gradually and start to

have some long sessions you will begin to feel like the kid you once

were. Most people excercise too hard (for their condition) and soon

quit. If you go gently you will love the results. A rule of thumb is if

you don't feel like excercising you probably have been going too fast.

Take a day or two off and start again. Better yet get a good heart rate

monitor and stay in " THE ZONE " . 180 -(minus) your age - 5 is a good

maximum to start with. If you run too fast you lose most of the

aerobic benefits. If you run too slow you still get most of the aerobic

benefits. So go slow enough that people on the street laugh at you.

Then you will probably be in " THE ZONE " .

The key to weight loss seems to be ketosis which means cutting on the

carbs.

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:07:53 -0400 " Debbie McBurney "

<debmcb@...> writes:

>From: " Debbie McBurney " <debmcb@...>

>

>I have been on the erfyt o diet for four months. I eat nothing but

>the

>beneficial foods, and feel absolutely wonderful, but I have not lost

>any

>weight at all. I am 5'8' and have put on thirty pounds in the past

>five

>years so I am up to 170 lbs. I can't seem to loose it no matter what.

> I am

>sedentary as I sit in an office all day and at night take care of my

>six

>children, so I have very little time for me to exercise like I would

>like

>to. What could I be doing wrong?

>

>Thank you,

>Debbie

> Re: Introduction

>

>

>> From: Jackie Kessler <kesslerj@...>

>>

>> Hi to Patty and everyone else--

>>

>> I'm a newbie too. Actually, I'm also a lurker; I've been reading a

>few of

>> the postings lately without ever popping in officially to say hi.

>>

>> Patty, I'm overweight also. Nothing major, but I want to lose weight

>and,

>> more important, be more energetic and simply feel healthier. I'm

>also type

>> O. I actually love protein--give me a broiled hamburger with melted

>> mozzeralla cheese on it--yum! But I also love bread, with a

>particular

>> weakness for sourdough. I'm also about to give the ER4YT method a

>go.

>>

>> Basically, I just wanted to say " Good luck " and hang in there. I'll

>do the

>> same.

>>

>> Swimming in New York--

>> Jackie

>>

>> >From: KARISMA99@...

>> >

>> >I'm a newbie, so I thought I'd take a few seconds to introduce

>myself.

>> >

>> >My name is Patty. I'm 22 years old, born and raised in Miami, FL.

>I

>have

>> >been battling a serious weight problem all my life and have tried

>many

>> > " unnatural " methods for weight loss. Only a few were successful

>and the

>> >success did not last long! My highest weight was 290 only a few

>months

>ago,

>> >and am now down to 270, thanks to exercise--which is my worst

>enemy!!!

>Ha,

>> >Ha.

>> >

>> >I was told about the ER4YT diet by a friend who's doctor

>recommended it

>for

>> >her Autistic child and their family.

>> >

>> >I came across the Cooking right 4 your type book shortly after

>learning

>of

>> >the diet and bought it out of curiosity. After reading, I'm

>convinced

>this

>> >is the way of life for me!!

>> >

>> >I have not begun the diet yet....mostly due to Hurricane Floyd, but

>plan

>to

>> >in the next day or so.

>> >

>> >I am a type O, and do not each much protein. (I'm a huge bread

>eater!!

>> >Which explains why I'm huge!! lol) So I want to gradually

>introduce

>myself

>> >to the diet.

>> >

>> >I look forward to hearing from you and your ideas and recipes.

>Especially

>> >the recipes!! And if anyone out there is also using the diet as a

>weight

>> >loss method and new way of life.. I'd love to hear your ideas or

>any

>advice

>> >you may have for a newcomer.

>> >

>> >Take care!

>> >Patty :-)

>> >

>> >---------------------------

[Guest guest]

J McBrearty wrote:

>

> The key to weight loss seems to be ketosis which means cutting on the

> carbs.

How right you are!. And that means pasta too. Even Slim Fast has too many

carbs in proprotion to whats needed. If you all don't believe it, just keep

on

feeding your parasite friends.

[Guest guest]

Hi - I agree - exercise is vital. Since I have back/structural problems

along with the FMS I have started doing water walking and it is wonderful.

However - I am concerned about the chlorine in the pool. Does anyone have

any input on how that can affect people? I'm not drinking it, but I know

its still not good. Wish we were rich enough for an indoor pool with sea

salt. I had a friend in VA who had an outside one she used it in. (Here in

AK an outdoor pool wouldn't be very practical). I go to public pools and

worry about other peoples germs too. Jeanie

> From: J McBrearty <edmcbre@...>

>

> If you can find time for the exercise you will be glad you did. In my

> opinion a long slow run or walk is better for you than sleep. It's

> really hard in the beginning but if you build up gradually and start to

> have some long sessions you will begin to feel like the kid you once

> were. Most people excercise too hard (for their condition) and soon

> quit. If you go gently you will love the results. A rule of thumb is if

> you don't feel like excercising you probably have been going too fast.

> Take a day or two off and start again. Better yet get a good heart rate

> monitor and stay in " THE ZONE " . 180 -(minus) your age - 5 is a good

> maximum to start with. If you run too fast you lose most of the

> aerobic benefits. If you run too slow you still get most of the aerobic

> benefits. So go slow enough that people on the street laugh at you.

> Then you will probably be in " THE ZONE " .

>

> The key to weight loss seems to be ketosis which means cutting on the

> carbs.

> On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:07:53 -0400 " Debbie McBurney "

> <debmcb@...> writes:

> >From: " Debbie McBurney " <debmcb@...>

> >

> >I have been on the erfyt o diet for four months. I eat nothing but

> >the

> >beneficial foods, and feel absolutely wonderful, but I have not lost

> >any

> >weight at all. I am 5'8' and have put on thirty pounds in the past

> >five

> >years so I am up to 170 lbs. I can't seem to loose it no matter what.

> > I am

> >sedentary as I sit in an office all day and at night take care of my

> >six

> >children, so I have very little time for me to exercise like I would

> >like

> >to. What could I be doing wrong?

> >

> >Thank you,

> >Debbie

> > Re: Introduction

> >

> >

> >> From: Jackie Kessler <kesslerj@...>

> >>

> >> Hi to Patty and everyone else--

> >>

> >> I'm a newbie too. Actually, I'm also a lurker; I've been reading a

> >few of

> >> the postings lately without ever popping in officially to say hi.

> >>

> >> Patty, I'm overweight also. Nothing major, but I want to lose weight

> >and,

> >> more important, be more energetic and simply feel healthier. I'm

> >also type

> >> O. I actually love protein--give me a broiled hamburger with melted

> >> mozzeralla cheese on it--yum! But I also love bread, with a

> >particular

> >> weakness for sourdough. I'm also about to give the ER4YT method a

> >go.

> >>

> >> Basically, I just wanted to say " Good luck " and hang in there. I'll

> >do the

> >> same.

> >>

> >> Swimming in New York--

> >> Jackie

> >>

> >> >From: KARISMA99@...

> >> >

> >> >I'm a newbie, so I thought I'd take a few seconds to introduce

> >myself.

> >> >

> >> >My name is Patty. I'm 22 years old, born and raised in Miami, FL.

> >I

> >have

> >> >been battling a serious weight problem all my life and have tried

> >many

> >> > " unnatural " methods for weight loss. Only a few were successful

> >and the

> >> >success did not last long! My highest weight was 290 only a few

> >months

> >ago,

> >> >and am now down to 270, thanks to exercise--which is my worst

> >enemy!!!

> >Ha,

> >> >Ha.

> >> >

> >> >I was told about the ER4YT diet by a friend who's doctor

> >recommended it

> >for

> >> >her Autistic child and their family.

> >> >

> >> >I came across the Cooking right 4 your type book shortly after

> >learning

> >of

> >> >the diet and bought it out of curiosity. After reading, I'm

> >convinced

> >this

> >> >is the way of life for me!!

> >> >

> >> >I have not begun the diet yet....mostly due to Hurricane Floyd, but

> >plan

> >to

> >> >in the next day or so.

> >> >

> >> >I am a type O, and do not each much protein. (I'm a huge bread

> >eater!!

> >> >Which explains why I'm huge!! lol) So I want to gradually

> >introduce

> >myself

> >> >to the diet.

> >> >

> >> >I look forward to hearing from you and your ideas and recipes.

> >Especially

> >> >the recipes!! And if anyone out there is also using the diet as a

> >weight

> >> >loss method and new way of life.. I'd love to hear your ideas or

> >any

> >advice

> >> >you may have for a newcomer.

> >> >

> >> >Take care!

> >> >Patty :-)

> >> >

> >> >---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I just saw your note from July.

I am a school nurse and helped about a hundred families do exemptions this

fall. It is NOT a law in Missouri that children be immunized. The law is

they must be immunized OR exempted. If you are willing to sign a statement

that says it is against your belief to immunize, you can do this. I was

wondering where you live. We are starting a coalition in Missouri to

reinstate the personal exemption in addition to the religious one we already

have.

Patti White, RN

rpwhitey@...

Introduction

>From: " Traci " <TKnoppe@...>

>

>Hello everyone:

>I just joined this list and thought I'd introduce myself. My name is

Traci,

>dh is Mark. And we just very recently decided not to continue with our

>youngest sons' shots. (All of my older children have already completed

>their's - otherwise I'd stop their's too). I only recently heard anything

>about vaccinations being harmful and/or not effective. It wasn't until Sam

>had a reaction to his 6 week shots that I really began to question things.

>Thankfully his reaction wasn't life threatening; but what about the next

>series?!!! After doing some research - we decided that we can not take

>that chance.

>

>I've contacted a local organization here in Missouri, trying to find out if

>the laws in our state are applicable to homeschooled children. Apparently

>in Missouri it is the law that children must be immunized. However, I'm

>hoping this is just for children who will be attending public or private

>schools - we intend to homeschool. I'm anxiously awaiting an answer - as

>Sam's next appointment for shots is one week from today. We would like to

>bring our info to our ped. and inform her in person that we will not be

>continuing with Sam's shots. However, if there's a possibility that this

>will bring about legal action against us - we will just cancel the

>appointment and go elsewhere.

>

>What has the been the reactions of some of your doctors? I look forward

to

>getting to know everyone.

>

>Blessings,

>Traci

>Wife of: Mark

>Mom to: Lyndsay (18), Tom (16), (13),

> and also to our 2 tubal reversal babies:

> our angel Zachary ~ born still - yet *still* born on 3/22/98;

> and born 3/19/99 Psalm 127:3,5

>

>Take part in the April 99 Mommies Current Survey!

>/surveycenter/April99mommies

>My web site:

>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/6704/index.html

>Little Blessings Sterilization Reversal Ministry:

>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/6704/littleblessings.html

>ICQ #: 28185911

>AOL instant messenger: TKnoppe5

>

>

>

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Welcome to the list! You will surely learn a lot here!!

Kerin

Mom to Tyler, Trevan and -Mae