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Hi Christy!

Welcome to the list. You will find a great source of comfort as well as

information that will help you make decisions for your baby and also the

support you need to defend those decisions. You are not alone. Many of us

on this list have children who have had to one degree or another reactions to

immunizations. So never feel guilty. You did the best you knew at the time

and now you know more! That is what mothering is all about. You are doing

the right thing by searching for information and knowledge.

Try to stay sane during your move. We moved about 900 miles 18 months ago

with six kids and it was a fat calorie burning experience!!!!! Hang in

there.

Alice Clinton

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Welcome to the list Christy!

For being a fairly young new mother you have a lot

to be proud of yourself about. Your insticts were

telling you to stop and do research and now you are

more educated about this very controversial, heated

issue.

I hope your baby will fully recover and it sounds as

if your decision to stop vaccinating your daughter

could quite literally save her life.

I hope you find this list helpful, I know I have. There

are resources for standing by your decision and having

it respected, without necessarily having to remove our

children from society.

I hope your move goes well and look forward to having

you back.

Sherri

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welcome to the list christy! you're sure to get the

support and information you need in order to make an

informed decision, not one that derived from being

bullied by the all-knowing medical trade whose first

aim is to get their accounts to balance at the end of

each month.

with regard to school: unless you live in wv or ms,

there will be at least a religious exemption if not a

philosophical one. and don't let school secretaries

bully you as to what is acceptable. if in doubt, phone

the department of health in your county and they are

normally more sensible than school staff (that's my

experience!).

have you tried homeopathic treatment and/or

chiropractic for britanny? homeopathy can help reverse

the effects of vaccs and is generally a much safer way

to treat dis-ease than conventional medicine. if you

like to know more, you can e-mail me.

in any case, you are at the right place to get plenty

of information and education!

love and light

claudia

--- Christy Summers <bb_brittany@...>

wrote:

> Hi all. This is going to be a ling introduction.

> I'll start with my personal info. My name is

> Christy (19)and my baby is Brittany (5

> months). Brittany has many risk factors as to why

> she should not be vaccinated. She was born at 37

> weeks at only 5 lbs 6 oz. She has reflux and it has

> caused recurrent upper resp infections and

> aspiration pneumonia. After her 2 month shots she

> became very sore in her legs, had a 101 fever and

> screamed high pitch for hours. The doc said it was

> normal. We put off her 4 month shots due to

> Rotavirus (hospitalized) and then a cold. She had

> not fully recovered from the cold and the nurse

> insisted she get the shots so I at the time being

> ignorant let her. Brittany has since become very

> agitated. On the wasy home frim the docs she feel

> into a deep sleep and when we got home whe woke up

> only to start screaming, her legs awole up huge, she

> did not want to be touched. She has still been

> running a fever of up to 102. I have been reasurred

> by doc and ER that it is normal. So mommy instinct

> said " YEA RIGHT " so I started surfing the net and

> what I found has opened my eyes!!!!! All I can say

> is what have I done to my baby? How could I not see

> that something so unnatural is so bad. All the

> chemicals in the shots and LIVE viruses and

> bacteria!!!!! What have I done? I want so baddly

> not to ever do it again, but I dont know where to

> start. How do I slip through the system? Will she

> have to be homeschooled? How do I do it? So many

> questions. I am so scared that this time may have

> done some real damage. My baby is different than

> she was not totally but her personallity has changed

> quite a bit. I hope you guys can help me in making

> the decisions I am going to have to. I want so bad

> to protect her yet I'm scared about if she will be

> able to get a good education and job. Yet that all

> is so small compared to her life. I am confused and

> scared not to mention angry. OK I am through. I

> hope to get to know you all well soon. If I am a

> little quiet all of the sudden it is due to the fact

> that we are moving to CA next week sometime but

> Iwill be back!

> Christy

> mom to Brittany 4 months (5 months tommorrw the

> 7th!)

>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all. & nbsp; This is

going to be a ling

introduction. & nbsp; I'll start with my personal

info. & nbsp; My name is Christy

(19)and my baby is Brittany (5

months). & nbsp; Brittany has many risk

factors as to why she should not be vaccinated. & nbsp;

She was born at 37 weeks

at only 5 lbs 6 oz. & nbsp; She has reflux and it has

caused recurrent upper resp

infections and aspiration pneumonia. & nbsp; After her 2

month shots she became

very sore in her legs, had a 101 fever and screamed

high pitch for hours. & nbsp;

The doc said it was normal. & nbsp; We put off her 4

month shots due to Rotavirus

(hospitalized) and then a cold. & nbsp; She had not

fully recovered from the cold

and the nurse insisted she get the shots so I at the

time being ignorant let

her. & nbsp; Brittany has since become very

agitated. & nbsp; On the wasy home frim

the docs she feel into a deep sleep and when we got

home whe woke up only to

start screaming, her legs awole up huge, she did not

want to be touched. & nbsp;

She has still been running a fever of up to 102. & nbsp;

I have been reasurred by

doc and ER that it is normal. & nbsp; So mommy instinct

said & quot;YEA RIGHT & quot;

so I started surfing the net and what I found has

opened my eyes!!!!! & nbsp; All

I can say is what have I done to my baby? & nbsp; How

could I not see that

something so unnatural is so bad. & nbsp; All the

chemicals in the shots and LIVE

viruses and bacteria!!!!! & nbsp; What have I

done? & nbsp; I want so baddly not to

ever do it again, but I dont know where to

start. & nbsp; How do I slip through

the system? & nbsp; Will she have to be

homeschooled? & nbsp; How do I do it? & nbsp;

So many questions. & nbsp; I am so scared that this time

may have done some real

damage. & nbsp; My baby is different than she was not

totally but her personallity

has changed quite a bit. & nbsp; I hope you guys can

help me in making the

decisions I am going to have to. & nbsp; I want so bad

to protect her yet I'm

scared about if she will be able to get a good

education and job. & nbsp; Yet that

all is so small compared to her life. & nbsp; I am

confused and scared not to

mention angry. & nbsp; OK I am through. & nbsp; I hope to

get to know you all well

soon. & nbsp; If I am a little quiet all of the sudden

it is due to the fact that

we are moving to CA next week sometime but Iwill be

back!</FONT></DIV>

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(5 months tommorrw the

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Congrats on the baby. Hope everything is easier for you now that you and

hubby are the same type. I have 4 different types in my family....urgh!

Honest to say that none of us in this family, eat the right the stuff all

the time...just too hard to make so many different foods, and not take from

the other type's food.

Good luck, and you are probably going to feel terrific.

Debbie

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> From: " Miranda Pollock " <mpollock@...>

>

>

> Hey all,

> I have been doing ER4YT for about a year now. Only one problem... I grew

up

> in a family of As. We all assumed that I was an A as well. I am married

to

> an O. So, I was cooking meat for him and making vegan meals for myself.

> The other day at the Dr's office (as I was getting the regular slew of

blood

> tests for pregnancy) I learned that I am a type O. What a switch! Kind

of

> explains why I feel much better after going for a run, rather than going

for

> a walk, or why I prefer red meat and seafood to poultry. WOW. I am still

> in awe of this. So, now it is my job to make a healthy and safe switch to

> an O diet. I am in my 27th week of pregnancy, so I want to make sure I am

> doing this safely.

>

> Miranda

>

>

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In a message dated 2/15/2001 10:41:56 PM Central Standard Time, selina65@... writes:

G'day all

I'm new to this list, I have been low carbing for over 12 mths with no results, here's a quick history on myself.

35, married, 3 monsters (kids) aussie, work far too many hours a week

sometime in late 1999 I got stopped smoking and went on low carb the same week,,,,,Say hello to 20 kilos! I was 78 kgs (sorry this is in australian) and now I am at 98. The low carb diet stopped my weight gain, but no weight loss. Over the last 6 mths I am back on about 5 cigs a day (yes I know!) a few extra on friday nights when I go out!

Found the book ERFYT and havent actually started anything as yet.

Hubby is blood B, I am O

So........what do I do,,,where do I find some receipes, who has some great daily eating plans?

I know this will be all old stuff to you, but some direction from you would help me heaps.

Selina in australia

Hi Selina,

Rather than retype all this I will ask you to go to the following URL's and read the following:

http://www./group//files

Click on TABITHA'S ER FOLDER

ER TERMINOLOGY I.txt (the post labeled BLOOD TYPE TERMINOLOGY)

ER TERMINOLOGY II.txt (the post labeled INTRODUCTION TO...)

HOW TO USE THIS FOLDER.txt (to find out how to use the recipes)

BLOOD TYPE FOOD LISTS I and II.txt (to find the food lists for your type)

I too am O with a B husband, an O daughter, and a B daughter. While you were on a low carb diet, you were probably eating other avoids that made you gain weight.

I should also mention that there are tons of recipes in the above folder, that the food lists are basic, and that you can find THE MOST UPDATED FOOD LISTS in the new book LIVE RIGHT 4 YOUR TYPE which came out this past Christmas. Be forewarned that for a newbie, the new book might be a little technical and overwhelming. I suggest getting through the first one and getting a good start on the basic diet as outlined in ER before coping with some of the fine line changes mentioned in LR. All of the recipes in the folder are done according to the original ER book.

I have been on this diet for 3 years and will never go back...my kids have been on it since birth and are basically never sick (9 mo girl and 3 yo girl)...after you read the info in the file you will find out why I am a believer.

The recipes and cooking tips in this folder can be used by anyone, not just those on the diet, and are also good for those with food allergies (this is covered in HOW TO USE THIS FOLDER.txt)

For further information consult the books:

EAT RIGHT 4 YOUR TYPE and COOK RIGHT 4 YOUR TYPE by Dr. J. D'Adamo, N. D.  LIVE RIGHT 4 YOUR TYPE CAME OUT 12/26/00

or go to the websites:

http://www.dadamo.com/ (the main blood type site)

http://www.er4yt.org/ (International Foundation for Blood Type Living)

http://www.foodforyourblood.com/ (North American Pharmacal)

If after doing this you have further questions, please contact me again, privately.

Thank you for your time,

Tabitha

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Hello everyone and Selina welcome to ER! After a long journey I am back in Austin. I did a detoxification fast that worked wonders (only water for 5 days and 8 days of a liquid diet of lemonade with maple syrup and cayenne pepper, plus bentonite and the avoid psyllium). It was amazing to notice the increment of energy and the clarity of thought. I also lost unwanted fat in the process. I am still taking the protein shake (rice milk, protein powder, flax seeds and fruit) and following the circadian rythm way of eating: protein for breakfast, mid morning snack, lunch and mid afternoon snack and carbohydrates for dinner and I do not worry anymore about amounts of food or gaining weight. For the internal cleansing I followed "The Ultimate Fast" found in the book "Prostate Health in 90 Days" by Larry Clapp, PhD, JD. For the circadian way of eating the book: "The Circadian Prescription" by Sidney Mac Baker, M.D.For wellness in body, mind, and spirit the book: "The Ultimate Cure" The Healing Energy Within You by Bernie Siegel, M.D. Selina, it is better to go slowly in cutting down the harmful things, not all at once. I remember some 21 years ago when I first visited my homeopath I was all worried because I smoked a cigarrete once in a while and I new it was not only bad for my health but I was contaminating the air as well. The doctor told me first of all not to worry anymore because of that; he said one day will come when you will not need to smoke anymore. Fortunately that day came 12 years ago. You can e-mail me at perfectweight@... if you need any help in losing weight. Good luck! Newbie G'day allI'm new to this list, I have been low carbing for over 12 mths withno results, here's a quick history on myself.35, married, 3 monsters (kids) aussie, work far too many hours a weeksometime in late 1999 I got stopped smoking and went on low carb thesame week,,,,,Say hello to 20 kilos! I was 78 kgs (sorry this is inaustralian) and now I am at 98. The low carb diet stopped my weightgain, but no weight loss. Over the last 6 mths I am back on about 5cigs a day (yes I know!) a few extra on friday nights when I go out!Found the book ERFYT and havent actually started anything as yet.Hubby is blood B, I am OSo........what do I do,,,where do I find some receipes, who has somegreat daily eating plans?I know this will be all old stuff to you, but some direction from youwould help me heaps.Selina in australia

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Harold,

Make sure your problem with your hip isn't originating with the hip,

independent from the back problems. Prior to my scoli surgery (one year ago

today I might add) the surgeon made sure to evaluate the hips themselves to

rule out degeneration, etc. Only then would he procede with back surgery.

Donna

>

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Harold,

I had thoracic scoliosis surgery in 1972 at the age of 13. It sure

did seem unfair. Did you have thoracic or lumabar, I am just very

curious? I have had major problems with my lower back in the past

15 - 17 years. Only to come to fruition and keep me from working 12

years ago. I also suffer from RA and fibromyalgia too tho. I do

have trouble with my right hip also and of course at 13 I had no

problems with my hips, I was otherwise in good health except for the

curved spine! Part of my hip pain may be due to my bad knee tho. But

my hips have always been affected by my back. They have been uneven

since the surgery and I even wear a small lift in my right shoe. You

can try this at very little cost and with no RX from the Doc. I went

to a shoemaker and told him what I needed. I got two different

heights to see which was a better fit for me. It's an easy way to try

to get some relief.

Good luck and I look forward to " talking " to you in the future.

Tina

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Tina,

Where did you have your surgery in 1972. I had mine at Boston

Children's Medical Center, and I am curious to talk to anyone who might

have had surgery there around that time period.

fluff71 wrote:

>

> Harold,

>

> I had thoracic scoliosis surgery in 1972 at the age of 13. It sure

> did seem unfair. Did you have thoracic or lumabar, I am just very

> curious? I have had major problems with my lower back in the past

> 15 - 17 years. Only to come to fruition and keep me from working 12

> years ago. I also suffer from RA and fibromyalgia too tho. I do

> have trouble with my right hip also and of course at 13 I had no

> problems with my hips, I was otherwise in good health except for the

> curved spine! Part of my hip pain may be due to my bad knee tho. But

> my hips have always been affected by my back. They have been uneven

> since the surgery and I even wear a small lift in my right shoe. You

> can try this at very little cost and with no RX from the Doc. I went

> to a shoemaker and told him what I needed. I got two different

> heights to see which was a better fit for me. It's an easy way to try

> to get some relief.

>

> Good luck and I look forward to " talking " to you in the future.

>

> Tina

>

>

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I had my surgery at Boston Children's Hospital, but in 1997. My surgeon has

been there since the 70's though. Can I ask who your surgeon was?

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>Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 22:09:37 -0600

>

>Tina,

>

>Where did you have your surgery in 1972. I had mine at Boston

>Children's Medical Center, and I am curious to talk to anyone who might

>have had surgery there around that time period.

>

>

>

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My surgeon was Dr. Keller. He did a great job and was very good

to me and my parents throughout the time before and during my surgery.

I also had a neurosurgeon on the case, but I'll have to find out what

his name is...my parents still remember.

I'll write more later...got to get to work soon...

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Could it be because of medications?

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> that way, however, I've always had digestive problems since the surgery.

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I had surgery, (Harrington Rod, T5-L3) in 1975 at Children's Hospital

in Boston. My surgeon was Lyle Michili, (sp). I didn't start having

problems until 1996 and have since had another fusion from L5-S1 to

stabilize spondylolisthesis. I am now being treated for chronic pain

and am trying to find more info on flatback. I have been reading

about it and I'm very concerned...I am always leaning forward and by

the end of the day it is difficult to stand straight. I am hoping to

avoid any more surgery but if it will help with the pain then I will

look at the option.

I would love to talk to you if you want. My regular email is

patsfan11@..., (I always forget to check this address)

Sherri

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Hi Sherri...

I'm sorry to hear that you're not doing very well. As far as I know,

there is no non-surgical treatment to correct flatback. The good news

is that, in the hands of the right doctor, the surgery to repair

flatback is fairly successful. If you're still in Boston, there are

many people who have gone to Dr. Rand for their revision surgery.

Good luck.

Regards,

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Hope you are now past the headache. Always remember

that headache when you go to eat something bad for

you.

Health Food stores have good dressings. Amys brand,

Drews and Ginger people are a couple. Mostly

beneficial ingredients in a variety of flavors. Also

Olive oil and lemon juice - dill is good with that.

Hang in there

KM

--- THEUPLIFTER@... wrote:

> Hello Everyone,

>

> My name is and I am a Newbie. I have been

> on the program for

> about a day and I have a massive headache as I am

> writing this email.

> It probably has to deal with the many years of

> eating wrong. As a type

> O, I had several salads today , and I was wondering

> " what kind of salad

> dressings could I eat? I am really perplexed by

> this quandry.

>

>

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I make my own with extra virgin olive oil, apple cider vinegar and

spices. It gets kind of solid in the frig, so you need to get it out

early to melt. Pretty perky with the apple cider vinegar, too!

E Long in Austin, TX

and I was wondering

> > " what kind of salad

> > dressings could I eat? I am really perplexed by

> > this quandry.

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Can you tell me the proportions? Why does it need to be kept in the fridge -

olive oil does not usually, I believe.

Re: NEWBIE

I make my own with extra virgin olive oil, apple cider vinegar and

spices. It gets kind of solid in the frig, so you need to get it out

early to melt. Pretty perky with the apple cider vinegar, too!

E Long in Austin, TX

and I was wondering

> > " what kind of salad

> > dressings could I eat? I am really perplexed by

> > this quandry.

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Hi again, Just wondering...is apple cider vinegar OK for O's? I use lemon

juice and oils (flax and olive) as per advice from ND. Would like a change of

flavor, however.

Just looked it up...apple cider is OK for secretors but not OK for non-secretors

but lemon is good for both according to LR4YT. Ann the " nonnie "

Re: NEWBIE

I make my own with extra virgin olive oil, apple cider vinegar and

spices. It gets kind of solid in the frig, so you need to get it out

early to melt. Pretty perky with the apple cider vinegar, too!

E Long in Austin, TX

and I was wondering

> > " what kind of salad

> > dressings could I eat? I am really perplexed by

> > this quandry.

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Probably more from habit. I use one of those salad dressing cruits

that has the little line for vinegar, water and oil. I just do that.

It's not much vinegar and more oil, 3x? Apple cider vinegar is the

only non-avoid vinegar for Os, right guys?

E Long

> Can you tell me the proportions? Why does it need to be kept in the

fridge - olive oil does not usually, I believe.

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My asthma has been in remission since childhood, my sensitivity to aspirin is not nearly as great as that of most persons on this list (but I haven't touched it in years now), and while my polyps eventually cause a lot of trouble, I have been able greatly to retard their growth with medical treatments. I've had an ENT tell me this still sounds like Samters, even in the absence of presently full-blown expression of each element of the triad.

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Hi Sue - The single most important part of the O diet is adequate

protein consumption. Consume at least 1 gram per body weight. At the

same time, eat lots of greens and always some fat with each meal. If you

still have space left to ear more then have some bread, but know that it

doesn't support your health. Exercise daily with weights. Drink lots of

water also. As far as your husband.. " " " " teach by example " " " " (be the

change you want to see in your husband).

Hope this helps.

Love

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Newbie

I've just recently heard of the Type O diet. My husband is on the

heart transplant list and a friend gave us Dr. D'Adamo's Blood Type 0

book. I have to be honest I read it and figured " Hey, I've done just

fine all these years - why do I need to change anything now " . I put

the book on the shelf but strangly it keep eating at me. I found

your group and have only read about 20 messages and thought

again " Hey, maybe there's something to this " . So the book is

currently on the counter in my kitchen. I figured I might as well

give this a whirl seeing as I need to lose about 10 pounds and we all

want to feel better, right?! I see you can have Manna bread and I am

a bread baker but geez, this bread is pretty involved to make. I

love my bread for breakfast and I love my normal cereal too. What

kinds of cereals and breads do you folks eat? And I really have to

give up milk? I've never had green tea but I'll be adding that to

my grocery list. Cheese will be a problem but I'll deal with it.

Did you all feel overwhelmed thinking you had to change your way of

eating? The 2nd part of my problem is convincing my husband to try

the diet seeing as he has the most to gain. Now that I've totally

bored you all I'll sit back and lurk and try to learn. Any tips

would really be appreciated. We're glad to be aboard!!

TIA

Sue

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I used to live on homemade bread and cheese.(Never felt good, duh) Now I eat

Ezekial bread(toasted) and just found some sheep feta cheese on a trip to the

big city. Yummy! wish I had bought more. There is also a spanish sheep cheese

called Manchego (prizey), it's the best!

Eat cereal only of you want to gain weight,some people here go totally

grainless.

Green tea is real nice, coffee used to upset my stomach, that I had to give it

up even before I went on this diet.

Milk gives me sinusprobs, so never was big on that either.

Of course you'll have to make the decision, if it's worthwhile for you, but us

oldtimers would never go back to the old way of eating.

Hope your husband gets his transplant soon, wishing you both the best,

Emmi

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Heidi in her column, on Dr. D's website, wrote these words a few days

ago.

" The foundational idea to keep in mind about this plan is: the more

closely you follow it, the better and faster your health concerns

will be resolved. There are as many approaches as there are people.

I've found that the more unbearable the malady, the more common a

full headlong plunge into 100% beneficials becomes. "

I thought her words might help give you some guidance as you

contemplate how to adjust to the type O diet.

Don

> I've just recently heard of the Type O diet. My husband is on the

> heart transplant list and a friend gave us Dr. D'Adamo's Blood Type

0

> book. I have to be honest I read it and figured " Hey, I've done

just

> fine all these years - why do I need to change anything now " . I

put

> the book on the shelf but strangly it keep eating at me. I found

> your group and have only read about 20 messages and thought

> again " Hey, maybe there's something to this " . So the book is

> currently on the counter in my kitchen. I figured I might as well

> give this a whirl seeing as I need to lose about 10 pounds and we

all

> want to feel better, right?! I see you can have Manna bread and I

am

> a bread baker but geez, this bread is pretty involved to make. I

> love my bread for breakfast and I love my normal cereal too. What

> kinds of cereals and breads do you folks eat? And I really have to

> give up milk? I've never had green tea but I'll be adding that to

> my grocery list. Cheese will be a problem but I'll deal with

it.

> Did you all feel overwhelmed thinking you had to change your way of

> eating? The 2nd part of my problem is convincing my husband to try

> the diet seeing as he has the most to gain. Now that I've totally

> bored you all I'll sit back and lurk and try to learn. Any tips

> would really be appreciated. We're glad to be aboard!!

> TIA

> Sue

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That is common sense - regardless of what you do in life.

Re: Newbie

Heidi in her column, on Dr. D's website, wrote these words a few days

ago.

" The foundational idea to keep in mind about this plan is: the more

closely you follow it, the better and faster your health concerns

will be resolved. There are as many approaches as there are people.

I've found that the more unbearable the malady, the more common a

full headlong plunge into 100% beneficials becomes. "

I thought her words might help give you some guidance as you

contemplate how to adjust to the type O diet.

Don

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The single most important part of the O diet is adequate

protein consumption. Consume at least 1 gram per body weight. At the

same time, eat lots of greens and always some fat with each meal. If you

>The single most important part of the O diet is adequate

protein consumption. Consume at least 1 gram per body weight. At the

same time, eat lots of greens and always some fat with each meal. >

I assume you mean 1 gram of protein per lb of body weight???

Jane

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