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Bob is right , how you make it, how much you take, etc. , are just as important as in taking penicillin, for example.

Just bought a Silver Pulser Lite for $50.(Sota still has some left)and made 1st batch of CS. Very easy to make!RE: Giving to pets: How much CS do you add per gallon of water? Is itok for both cats & dogs?ThanksSteve

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Hi Brad,

Please eleborate on where you have gotten your information.

>

> > Just bought a Silver Pulser Lite for $50.(Sota still has some

left)

> > and made 1st batch of CS. Very easy to make!

> >

> > RE: Giving to pets: How much CS do you add per gallon of water?

Is it

> > ok for both cats & dogs?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Steve

> >

> >

> >

>

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All, I will do more research into silverlist.com and the other resources listed to attempt to determine what happened. However, my very personal and very real experience with CS has not been positive. On top of heavy metal poisoning, I am now highly allergic to CS and I get terrible hives when I take it, even the small particle store bought stuff.

Granted, CS is an amazing resource, but just like everything, there is nothing that works 100% of the time for 100% of the people - enter your CS journey with caution and respect.Thanks,Brad

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 8:47 AM, sotainstruments <russ@...> wrote:

Hi Brad,

Please eleborate on where you have gotten your information.

>

> > Just bought a Silver Pulser Lite for $50.(Sota still has some

left)

> > and made 1st batch of CS. Very easy to make!

> >

> > RE: Giving to pets: How much CS do you add per gallon of water?

Is it

> > ok for both cats & dogs?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Steve

> >

> >

> >

>

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Most ridiculous statement I've ever read.

Been studying and using homemade CS for better than a decade with

great success.

Here's a good source of CS info:

http://silver-lightning.com/research.html

and

http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html

Chuck

Why is it called tourist season if we can't shoot at them?

On 9/7/2008 11:47:16 PM, Brad Andersen (bradandersen@...) wrote:

> All,

>

> Please take it from someone who suffered from heavy metal poisoning - home

> made CS is just not worth the risk. Unless you or your pets have tried

> everything else and you are on your deathbed and can't afford store bought

silver, then I would highly recommend against homemade CS. Sure, it is great to

spray on your armpits or use it to spray down the counters, but the particles

are too big for your body to really be able to process them. You will notice a

very sore chin after just a few days on homemade CS. This is because the body

stores excess silver in the face which is real close to the brain. If you want

Autistic pets, then by all means please give them homemade CS.

>

> Cheers,

> Brad

>

> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:17 PM, sgm789 <sgm789@... [link:

mailto:sgm789@...]> wrote:

>

> Just bought a Silver Pulser Lite for $50.(Sota still has some left)

> and made 1st batch of CS. Very easy to make!

>

> RE: Giving to pets: How much CS do you add per gallon of water? Is it

> ok for both cats & dogs?

>

> Thanks

>

> Steve

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Hi Brad,

You might want to look into a product called Zeolite to

help you eliminate the heavy metals from your body.

Here are a couple of links.

Lots of info on this website:

http://www.liquidzeolite.org/

Waiora is a company that sells Zeolite.

http://www.zeolite.com/

take care,

Greg

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All, I will do more research into silverlist.com and the other resources listed to attempt to determine what happened. However, my very personal and very real experience with CS has not been positive. On top of heavy metal poisoning, I am now highly allergic to CS and I get terrible hives when I take it, even the small particle store bought stuff. Granted, CS is an amazing resource, but just like everything, there is nothing that works 100% of the time for 100% of the people - enter your CS journey with caution and respect.Thanks,Brad

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 8:47 AM, sotainstruments <russsotainstruments> wrote:

Hi Brad,Please eleborate on where you have gotten your information.> > > Just bought a Silver Pulser Lite for $50.(Sota still has some left)> > and made 1st batch of CS. Very easy to make!> >> > RE: Giving to pets: How much CS do you add per gallon of water? Is it> > ok for both cats & dogs?> >> > Thanks> >> > Steve> >> > > >>

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The healing clay, and orthomolecular treatment work,too.

Hi Brad,Please eleborate on where you have gotten your information.> > > Just bought a Silver Pulser Lite for $50.(Sota still has some left)> > and made 1st batch of CS. Very easy to make!> >> > RE: Giving to pets: How much CS do you add per gallon of water? Is it> > ok for both cats & dogs?> >> > Thanks> >> > Steve> >> > > >>

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I cant believe you would be bold enough to give advice like this

someone, which is an outright lie... you definately do NOT know what

you are talking about. Whats the matter with you why are you saying

these things????... Ive been giving CS to my cats for a couple of

years now. I have a bowl of water by their food and a bowl of CS in

another room, I have cured them and saved massive money on vet

bills...

>

> > Just bought a Silver Pulser Lite for $50.(Sota still has some

left)

> > and made 1st batch of CS. Very easy to make!

> >

> > RE: Giving to pets: How much CS do you add per gallon of water?

Is it

> > ok for both cats & dogs?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Steve

> >

> >

> >

>

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What have you cured them from? What symptoms did you see? What time frame did it take to see a change? Did you change the diet after giving them CS? How much did you give them, etc. etc, ad nauseam.....

To give a rebuttal, you need data, observational data. So far on this newsgroup I have seen none of that. This doesn't mean I don't think CS is useful. In fact I think Bob Beck did have something going. But let's give some evidence here instead of vague replies please.

Thanks,

J

From: <robertfeb@...>Subject: Re: New member Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 8:26 AM

I cant believe you would be bold enough to give advice like this someone, which is an outright lie... you definately do NOT know what you are talking about. Whats the matter with you why are you saying these things????.. . Ive been giving CS to my cats for a couple of years now. I have a bowl of water by their food and a bowl of CS in another room, I have cured them and saved massive money on vet bills... > > > Just bought a Silver Pulser Lite for $50.(Sota still has some left)> > and made 1st batch of CS. Very easy to make!> >> > RE: Giving to pets: How much CS do you add per gallon of water? Is it> > ok for both cats & dogs?> >> > Thanks>

>> > Steve> >> > > >>

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would you tell me what does CS stand for?--- El mar 9-sep-08, Mr Jc <mrjc71@...> escribió:

De: Mr Jc <mrjc71@...>Asunto: Re: Re: New memberPara: Fecha: martes, 9 de septiembre de 2008, 11:29 am

What have you cured them from? What symptoms did you see? What time frame did it take to see a change? Did you change the diet after giving them CS? How much did you give them, etc. etc, ad nauseam.....

To give a rebuttal, you need data, observational data. So far on this newsgroup I have seen none of that. This doesn't mean I don't think CS is useful. In fact I think Bob Beck did have something going. But let's give some evidence here instead of vague replies please.

Thanks,

J

From: <robertfeb (DOT) com>Subject: [beck-blood- electrification] Re: New memberBeck-blood-electrif ication@gro ups.comDate: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 8:26 AM

I cant believe you would be bold enough to give advice like this someone, which is an outright lie... you definately do NOT know what you are talking about. Whats the matter with you why are you saying these things????.. . Ive been giving CS to my cats for a couple of years now. I have a bowl of water by their food and a bowl of CS in another room, I have cured them and saved massive money on vet bills... > > > Just bought a Silver Pulser Lite for $50.(Sota still has some left)> > and made 1st batch of CS. Very easy to make!> >> > RE: Giving to pets: How much CS do you add per gallon of water? Is it> > ok for both cats & dogs?> >> > Thanks>

>> > Steve> >> > > >>

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CS = Colloidal Silver [beck-blood- electrification] Re: New memberBeck-blood-electrif ication@gro ups.comDate: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 8:26 AM

I cant believe you would be bold enough to give advice like this someone, which is an outright lie... you definately do NOT know what you are talking about. Whats the matter with you why are you saying these things????... . Ive been giving CS to my cats for a couple of years now. I have a bowl of water by their food and a bowl of CS in another room, I have cured them and saved massive money on vet bills... > > > Just bought a Silver Pulser Lite for $50.(Sota still has some left)> > and made 1st batch of CS. Very easy to make!> >> > RE: Giving to pets: How much CS do you add per gallon of water? Is it> > ok for both cats & dogs?> >> > Thanks>

>> > Steve> >> > > >>

CocinaRecetas prácticas y comida saludable Visitá http://ar.mujer. / cocina/

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I apoligize for being bold. I realize some people can smoke

cigarettes all their lives and remain healthy as a horse,and some

people are just the opposite. Some people for some reason or another

are more sensitive to one thing and not to another, more so than

other people. You are certainly a rareity, if what you say is true..

If...by blessings,

> >

> > > Just bought a Silver Pulser Lite for $50.(Sota still has some

> left)

> > > and made 1st batch of CS. Very easy to make!

> > >

> > > RE: Giving to pets: How much CS do you add per gallon of water?

> Is it

> > > ok for both cats & dogs?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Steve

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Welcome Colleen -

Good news on your husband's ringworm issue.

As for the patch test, that is not a good indicator of body sufficiency.

You need to do the iodine loading test (info on where to order in the files

of the group). That is the only way to determine how much your entire body

has stored. The patch test has too many factors that change - evaporation,

sweating, density of iodine painted on, location painted, clothes rubbing

off. It's an old form of determining but not a good one. Every gland and

mucosal lining in your body needs iodine. The skin does not get to those

glands so you cannot be sure if they are getting enough. Also the receptors

on these cells are many times blocked by halogens. You can't tell by patch

testing how they are doing - that requires 2 iodine loading tests 3-6 mos

apart after 50 mgs of Iodine supplementation.

New Member

> Greetings to everyone! This is my fist post here. I have been reading

> the files etc., and have a few questions/comments. Please keep in mind

> that I have insomnia and sometimes (ok, maybe often) brain fog....

>

> I wonder about the iodine absorbtion transdermally. How much is too

> much? I figure that when it stays " painted " for over 24 hours, I can

> slack off(??)...but what size area? My entire family seems to be

> iodine deficient according to patch test. Good news is that my

> husband's ringworm went away amazingly quickly with applications of

> iodine. It has left a little round burn place where the fungus

> was...although the area around it was painted as well. It usually

> takes weeks with an anti-fungal cream. My daughter had tried many

> things for the wart on her ankle, and it seems to be going away with

> iodine. C

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Hi!

I am new here, too.

Dd was diagnosed at the beginning of Sept. with a 54 degree left thoracic

curve. So far we've met with 2 surgeons--one ready to operate by the end of

the year; the other is more conservative and says we can recheck in 6

months--surgery could take place between 1 and 5 years--some difference I'd

say!

Dd is considered an " adult " patient as she has pretty much finished growing.

She has no pain. Also her curve is a bit higher than usual. The second doc

says that her internal organs should not be affected as she gets older as

could otherwise happen with such a significant curve.

I'm here to learn as much as I can as well. The one thing I have learned is

don't feel rushed. Do your research.

As long as I'm here saying hello, does anyone have any suggestions as to

where to start research? Books, internet? Sites to suggest? I've gone to

the boards run by the National Scoliosis Foundation and they have been a big

help connecting me with others (also people who are familiar with some of

the docs in my area).

TIA!

n

new member

>I just wanted to say hello I joined this group because my nephew who is

> 15 has scoliosis he was diagnois 2 weeks ago and he had his first

> appointment with the ortho dr. he has a 46% curve and they r talking

> about fuison surgery i would like people opion who has had this surgrey

> good and bad opion are helpfull for us i would appericate it very much

>

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If she's not in pain and the curve isn't progressing, I would not have the

surgery. In my opinion, it's a surgery that's best not done if not absolutely

necessary. I didn't experience pain until I was in my 30's. And I waited until I

was almost 50 to have the surgery. I'd go with the 2nd Dr. and wait to see if

the curve gets worse. No need to put her through it otherwise. It's a lifetime

committement that doesn't always work out for the best.

new member

>I just wanted to say hello I joined this group because my nephew who is

> 15 has scoliosis he was diagnois 2 weeks ago and he had his first

> appointment with the ortho dr. he has a 46% curve and they r talking

> about fuison surgery i would like people opion who has had this surgrey

> good and bad opion are helpfull for us i would appericate it very much

>

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Welcome and n!

My advice is do what you feel comfortable with. If you don't feel

comfortable going through with surgery now, then hold off until you do

more research and feel better about your decision. The internet is by

far the best research tool, I think. Books tend to be outdated on this

subject, at least what I've found, and I worked in a library for 10

years until recently.

I am a scoliosis patient who had a spinal fusion 13 years ago. And I

will say that I am glad I did it. I had a double " S " curve the bottom

curve being over 80 degrees. They corrected that curve to 46 degrees.

Where I am today.

My internal organs were being affected and I had no choice in the

matter. It was a very difficult surgery and it took a lot of rehab but

I wouldn't have changed a thing. It was definitely the best thing for

me at the time.

I will say that not all patients, but most, will never completely shed

their scoliosis status. Once a patient, always a patient. Even now, 13

years later, I am having issues with the L4-S1 area, which isn't fused.

It just comes with the territory. Now, the surgery that I need for that

is ridiculous and dangerous and I'm not going to do it. But, it's okay

and you learn to live with your disability.

If you'd like details about the surgery, feel free to ask. But again,

if you don't feel comfortable yet, it sounds like their curves aren't

horribly bad and you have some time but I would definitely get it

checked frequently.

Hope this helps,

>

> I just wanted to say hello I joined this group because my nephew who

is

> 15 has scoliosis he was diagnois 2 weeks ago and he had his first

> appointment with the ortho dr. he has a 46% curve and they r talking

> about fuison surgery i would like people opion who has had this

surgrey

> good and bad opion are helpfull for us i would appericate it very much

>

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Hi, Before my surgery in 2002, I went to note number 1 in this very forum and

read all the way to the latest ones.  There is a TON of info and I didn't need

to search anywhere else.  I think this form us just the best research place

there is.

lj

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Subject: Re: new member

Scoliosis Treatment

Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 7:34 PM

Hi!

I am new here, too.

Dd was diagnosed at the beginning of Sept. with a 54 degree left thoracic

curve. So far we've met with 2 surgeons--one ready to operate by the end of

the year; the other is more conservative and says we can recheck in 6

months--surgery could take place between 1 and 5 years--some difference I'd

say!

Dd is considered an " adult " patient as she has pretty much finished growing.

She has no pain. Also her curve is a bit higher than usual. The second doc

says that her internal organs should not be affected as she gets older as

could otherwise happen with such a significant curve.

I'm here to learn as much as I can as well. The one thing I have learned is

don't feel rushed. Do your research.

As long as I'm here saying hello, does anyone have any suggestions as to

where to start research? Books, internet? Sites to suggest? I've gone to

the boards run by the National Scoliosis Foundation and they have been a big

help connecting me with others (also people who are familiar with some of

the docs in my area).

TIA!

n

new member

>I just wanted to say hello I joined this group because my nephew who is

> 15 has scoliosis he was diagnois 2 weeks ago and he had his first

> appointment with the ortho dr. he has a 46% curve and they r talking

> about fuison surgery i would like people opion who has had this surgrey

> good and bad opion are helpfull for us i would appericate it very much

>

>

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Thanks for the welcome, .

Sorry I haven't written sooner, but we've been hoppin' with these Dr.

visits--two in one week. We're hoping to have some down time for a bit.

Monday we were in Baltimore to see Dr. Gelb. Friday we went to see

Dr. Lauerman at town Hospital in Washington, DC.

We are sold with Dr. Lauerman. :)

Dd trusts him and so do I--something in his mannerisms (maybe not so puffed

up as the others we met) and thoroughness. He also seemed to be interested

in hearing what we had to say and dealing with us as an individual case.

He was *very* thorough--even asking about my pregnancy with dd. She was

high risk. I had been on several medications to hold the pregnancy--and

years ago it was an experimental treatment as I have an autoimmune disorder

which caused miscarriages.

Also, he took my concerns about her medication allergies seriously.

However, there may be a complication. He saw a spot on the MRI that he is

concerned about. He said he will have a neurosurgeon look at it--she may

have chiari malformation--he was looking at how atypical her curve was.

I'd rather him be overly cautious (which he admitted he is).

So he is going to check this out with a neurosurgeon colleague of his. He

said he would let us know if we needed to be concerned about that.

That, of course, would change the whole ball game--having to take care of

that before scoliosis surgery.

Right now we are scheduled to see him again in Feb. He will continue to

monitor dd's progress--if her curve hasn't really moved, he may wait and

observe her again in the fall. If it does move, she will have to have the

surgery--possibly next summer.

I'm glad to know that there is such support out there. I hate to think what

would've happened if we didn't have internet and we would've gone with the

first surgeon's recommendation.

Am anxious to learn more--anyone who has had or had a child with chiari

malformation--what that entails. I'm probably jumping the gun, but would

like to learn as much as I can.

n

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My dh and I are thinking the same thing about waiting.

We did find a surgeon that we feel comfortable with after interviewing 3.

We decided to go with the 3rd doctor as he was more thorough. He agreed

with the second about waiting to see--said at this point it's more cosmetic

than anything else although he's going to check with a neurosurgeon as he

said there's a suspicious spot that could be a chiari.

n

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> If she's not in pain and the curve isn't progressing, I would not have the

> surgery. In my opinion, it's a surgery that's best not done if not

> absolutely necessary. I didn't experience pain until I was in my 30's. And

> I waited until I was almost 50 to have the surgery. I'd go with the 2nd

> Dr. and wait to see if the curve gets worse. No need to put her through it

> otherwise. It's a lifetime committement that doesn't always work out for

> the best.

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-I had my surgery in 1967 and have had two Harrington Rods all that

time. I work full time in an office, wear heels, have had two children.

I would not have turned back at all as I feel great.

Do not let all the stories you will hear scare you--sort through them.

I have seen pictures of some of the rods that people have--when my rods

were inserted they have hooks on them that are fixed to the spine--my

spine cannot twist or curve anywhere. The only thing I am limited to

is somersaults, touching my toes and riding horses. The later does not

bother me too much as I don't really care for horses.

Like I said before read all the emails but make the decision on what is

best for the person. Make sure you really know the surgeon and ask

questions. My doctor was from Toronto Ontario and he was the best.

-- In Scoliosis Treatment , " karenharrison71 "

<karenharrison71@...> wrote:

>

> I just wanted to say hello I joined this group because my nephew who

is

> 15 has scoliosis he was diagnois 2 weeks ago and he had his first

> appointment with the ortho dr. he has a 46% curve and they r talking

> about fuison surgery i would like people opion who has had this

surgrey

> good and bad opion are helpfull for us i would appericate it very much

>

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Hi Deanna

Until I can can get back to reading all of the messages, I thought I would give you this link so you can get a little understanding of the problems experienced through emotions and hyperthyroidism. Hopefully, I will back on board sometime tomorrow when I have my little office back after Dr Peatfield's clinics.

http://www.thyroid.ca/Articles/EngE10F.html

LuvSheila -

I am now at the place where I'm an emotional wreck. I > panic and shake if I cannot find my car keys, anything can set me > off. I have been to the doctor and he has done another blood test > for thyroid which I will get the results on Tuesday. I will also get > a scan this next week. Right now I need to know about my emotions. > Will this get better? I can't live like this. I have to be around > someone today that really sets me off and I can't control the crying,>

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Hello P,

Good to meet you, so to speak. You've come to a great place, which mag

were you reading.

I don't have a hypo diagnosis, but a long thyroid history. I do think

my recent fall in health is related to the menopause. My Dr also

doesn't know what to do with me! She bases her lack of diagnosis on

blood results only! Grrr!

The more I read, the more I realise all of our hormones interlink and

interact. Have you done any reading up as yet, tpa has lots of very

valuable info in the files section. Also, there are a lot of associated

conditions that can run alongside hypothyroidism and mirror or

exacerbate the symptoms.

I found starting with the files here very helpful in developing my

understanding of the wider picture.

Good luck,

xx

>

> Hi

> I have just joined after seeing an article about the group in a mag.

I

> am 54 and have had an underactive thyroid for about 20 years.

> P

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Hi P

Welcome

to our forum and I hope you get the support you need here. Can you let me know

what magazine TPA-UK was mentioned please. Was it 'She'?

Have

you had a full thyroid function panel done? If not, ask your GP to test your

Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH), your Free T4, Free T3, and if possible, he

could test to see if you have antibodies to your thyroid. Also, ask him to test

your ferritin level (stored iron) and a test to see whether you have low

vitamin D (either of the last two will give your thyroid problems in stopping

them doing what they are supposed to do). Do you have any members of your

family with a thyroid problem or an autoimmune disease.

Go to

our website www.tpa-uk.org.uk and click

on 'Hypothyroidism' in the Menu, and in the drop down Menu, click on 'Symptoms

and Signs' and check all of yours against those. Take your basal temperature

each morning before you get out of bed (if possible with a mercury

thermometer). If it is 98.6 - that is normal. If it is 97.8 (and it could be

much less), this is a sign you have a low metabolism and could be showing you

are hypothyroid. You do not mention feeling cold - is this because you don't

feel cold. This is usually a symptom of hypothyroidism because of the low

metabolism, but some people feel the opposite, strangely.

If

you have a low basal temperature for say, 5 mornings and you have many of the

symptoms and signs, ask your GP if he will refer you to a thyroid specialist

(emphasise the 'thyroid' rather than an endocrinologist who specialises in

diabetes - because many diabetic specialists know little of the thyroid

problems. You need to read, read and then read more to get a thorough

understanding of how the thyroid works, the problems that are associated with under

active thyroid and what you can do to get yourself well again.

If

you have any questions, just shout, and somebody will be along to hopefully

help you find some answers.

Luv -

Sheila

Hi

I have just joined after seeing an article about the group in a mag. I

am 54 and have had an underactive thyroid for about 20 years. Since

having a hysterectomy 3 years ago I have been suffering with a variety

of symptoms such as bad headaches, tiredness, and lack of energy in

general. I have tried HRT, acupuncture, changing my diet and my doctor

is at a loss to know what to do with me! I think going through an

abrupt menopause has sent my thyroid and any other hormones into

freefall. If anyone has any advice or has had similar experiences, I

would love to hear from you.

P

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hi paula; from one winwood to another ~ welcome, you have certainly

come to the right place !regards jane

>

> Hi

> I have just joined after seeing an article about the group in a mag.

I

> am 54 and have had an underactive thyroid for about 20 years. Since

> having a hysterectomy 3 years ago I have been suffering with a

variety

> of symptoms such as bad headaches, tiredness, and lack of energy in

> general. I have tried HRT, acupuncture, changing my diet and my

doctor

> is at a loss to know what to do with me! I think going through an

> abrupt menopause has sent my thyroid and any other hormones into

> freefall. If anyone has any advice or has had similar experiences, I

> would love to hear from you.

> P

>

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> Hello P,

> Good to meet you, so to speak. You've come to a great place, which

mag

> were you reading.

> I don't have a hypo diagnosis, but a long thyroid history. I do

think

> my recent fall in health is related to the menopause. My Dr also

> doesn't know what to do with me! She bases her lack of diagnosis on

> blood results only! Grrr!

> The more I read, the more I realise all of our hormones interlink

and

> interact. Have you done any reading up as yet, tpa has lots of very

> valuable info in the files section. Also, there are a lot of

associated

> conditions that can run alongside hypothyroidism and mirror or

> exacerbate the symptoms.

> I found starting with the files here very helpful in developing my

> understanding of the wider picture.

> Good luck,

>

> xx

> >

> > Hi

Thanks for the tip, I will do some research of the files ASAP. I now

realise that a lot of the symptoms which I put down to " womens

problems " were actually caused by the thyroid. The mag was Good

Housekeeping I think.

P

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