Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Hi Everyone: Hope this message gets through since to propagate a message I usually spin off someone else's gallstones e-mail. Over the past month or two, my GB symtoms have worsened and I'm wondering how I can stem this problem and get it under control promptly. Been a member of this group for years, get and read most e-mails (so I'm a little up to date). These attacks come in " swells " lasting about 15 to 30 minutes, usually in morning but particularly at night. I flushed the other night at kept strict to the procedure and protocol. Was fine during flush, got some crud out. But my large stone (11mm a few years ago) I'm sure is still there. Seems no matter what I eat these days prompts an attack to a greater or lesser degree. Day after flush, symtoms returned almost all day... but that's understandablle since I probably ate something I should not have. What's the aggressive thing to do at this point to begin seeing some results to allieve my discomfort which, so far, is marginally tolerable but getting worse with time... I can tell? Right now there's tightness in my gut... but I'm drinking coffee... so. Thanks everyone and I'll wait for your advises. Hoping to avoid surgery. Obviously, starting a regime of vitamins (A-F) can't begin today, etc., but perhaps there's some other things I can do. I have a well-equipped Wholefoods nearby, so... Why won't modern medicine lipo-crush these stones for us so we can pass them????...or at least get out stones out and leave the GB??? Yes, I now the sentiments here about the medical community. Regards, Fran ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 In a message dated 9/15/2007 11:06:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jessguim@... writes: That's another secret. Thanks, Jess. Yes, I know about coffee. Still, I've taken chances with it and it'll have to stop. Don't eat much beef and I have been drinking a lot of water, particularly sparkling mineral water. Thanks again. Fran ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Fran: Coffee and beef meat are the worst enemies of gallstone. There is scientific finding that coffee helps control gallstone development. But it's not true to everybody. Please stop drinking coffee, or any drink that has caffein, and see for yourself the result. Beef meat is another enemy of gallstone. Try eating chicken meat instead. And best of all, please drink a lot of water after eating. Water is the fountain of life. Drink, more water to wash out oil in your food after eating them. That's another secret. Jess franniboy@... wrote: Hi Everyone: Hope this message gets through since to propagate a message I usually spin off someone else's gallstones e-mail. Over the past month or two, my GB symtoms have worsened and I'm wondering how I can stem this problem and get it under control promptly. Been a member of this group for years, get and read most e-mails (so I'm a little up to date). These attacks come in " swells " lasting about 15 to 30 minutes, usually in morning but particularly at night. I flushed the other night at kept strict to the procedure and protocol. Was fine during flush, got some crud out. But my large stone (11mm a few years ago) I'm sure is still there. Seems no matter what I eat these days prompts an attack to a greater or lesser degree. Day after flush, symtoms returned almost all day... but that's understandablle since I probably ate something I should not have. What's the aggressive thing to do at this point to begin seeing some results to allieve my discomfort which, so far, is marginally tolerable but getting worse with time... I can tell? Right now there's tightness in my gut... but I'm drinking coffee... so. Thanks everyone and I'll wait for your advises. Hoping to avoid surgery. Obviously, starting a regime of vitamins (A-F) can't begin today, etc., but perhaps there's some other things I can do. I have a well-equipped Wholefoods nearby, so... Why won't modern medicine lipo-crush these stones for us so we can pass them????...or at least get out stones out and leave the GB??? Yes, I now the sentiments here about the medical community. Regards, Fran ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 I would ignore the advice of Jess...I usually ignore posts that are not gramatically correct...but in this case advising someone to drink lots of water after eating is just bad advice. Water dilutes the digestive juices making it less likely that you will fully digest your food. You should drink lots of water....but drink it one half hour before eating....drink minimally while eating and hold off for several hours afterword. > Hi Everyone: > > Hope this message gets through since to propagate a message I usually spin > off someone else's gallstones e-mail. > > Over the past month or two, my GB symtoms have worsened and I'm wondering how > I can stem this problem and get it under control promptly. Been a member of > this group for years, get and read most e-mails (so I'm a little up to date). > > These attacks come in " swells " lasting about 15 to 30 minutes, usually in > morning but particularly at night. I flushed the other night at kept strict to > the procedure and protocol. Was fine during flush, got some crud out. But my > large stone (11mm a few years ago) I'm sure is still there. Seems no matter what > I eat these days prompts an attack to a greater or lesser degree. > > Day after flush, symtoms returned almost all day... but that's > understandablle since I probably ate something I should not have. > > What's the aggressive thing to do at this point to begin seeing some results > to allieve my discomfort which, so far, is marginally tolerable but getting > worse with time... I can tell? > > Right now there's tightness in my gut... but I'm drinking coffee... so. > > Thanks everyone and I'll wait for your advises. Hoping to avoid surgery. > Obviously, starting a regime of vitamins (A-F) can't begin today, etc., but > perhaps there's some other things I can do. I have a well-equipped Wholefoods > nearby, so... > > Why won't modern medicine lipo-crush these stones for us so we can pass > them????...or at least get out stones out and leave the GB??? Yes, I now the > sentiments here about the medical community. > > Regards, > > Fran > > ************************************** > See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Thanks . I guess coffee will have to go as I'm feeling really bad lately. Diet pretty good but probably too much pasta/ bread/ carbs than I need. Vegetables and fruits as much as possible. Is it uncommon to feel GB lousy most of the day and then a little worse at different times of the day? Thanks so much, everyone who's replied so far. Fran ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Coffee is very high in cholergic acids (one can do coffee enemas). It is one of the best bile stimulating substances out there. If the stimulation of bile is considered to be advantageous in the moment. -D ----- Original Message ----- From: Jess Guim<mailto:jessguim@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 7:57 AM Subject: Re: GB symptoms worsening Fran: Coffee and beef meat are the worst enemies of gallstone. There is scientific finding that coffee helps control gallstone development. But it's not true to everybody. Please stop drinking coffee, or any drink that has caffein, and see for yourself the result. Beef meat is another enemy of gallstone. Try eating chicken meat instead. And best of all, please drink a lot of water after eating. Water is the fountain of life. Drink, more water to wash out oil in your food after eating them. That's another secret. Jess franniboy@...<mailto:franniboy@...> wrote: Hi Everyone: Hope this message gets through since to propagate a message I usually spin off someone else's gallstones e-mail. Over the past month or two, my GB symtoms have worsened and I'm wondering how I can stem this problem and get it under control promptly. Been a member of this group for years, get and read most e-mails (so I'm a little up to date). These attacks come in " swells " lasting about 15 to 30 minutes, usually in morning but particularly at night. I flushed the other night at kept strict to the procedure and protocol. Was fine during flush, got some crud out. But my large stone (11mm a few years ago) I'm sure is still there. Seems no matter what I eat these days prompts an attack to a greater or lesser degree. Day after flush, symtoms returned almost all day... but that's understandablle since I probably ate something I should not have. What's the aggressive thing to do at this point to begin seeing some results to allieve my discomfort which, so far, is marginally tolerable but getting worse with time... I can tell? Right now there's tightness in my gut... but I'm drinking coffee... so. Thanks everyone and I'll wait for your advises. Hoping to avoid surgery. Obviously, starting a regime of vitamins (A-F) can't begin today, etc., but perhaps there's some other things I can do. I have a well-equipped Wholefoods nearby, so... Why won't modern medicine lipo-crush these stones for us so we can pass them????...or at least get out stones out and leave the GB??? Yes, I now the sentiments here about the medical community. Regards, Fran ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 I second the motion. -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: CC<mailto:cobchc@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 8:28 AM Subject: Re: GB symptoms worsening I would ignore the advice of Jess...I usually ignore posts that are not gramatically correct...but in this case advising someone to drink lots of water after eating is just bad advice. Water dilutes the digestive juices making it less likely that you will fully digest your food. You should drink lots of water....but drink it one half hour before eating....drink minimally while eating and hold off for several hours afterword. > Hi Everyone: > > Hope this message gets through since to propagate a message I usually spin > off someone else's gallstones e-mail. > > Over the past month or two, my GB symtoms have worsened and I'm wondering how > I can stem this problem and get it under control promptly. Been a member of > this group for years, get and read most e-mails (so I'm a little up to date). > > These attacks come in " swells " lasting about 15 to 30 minutes, usually in > morning but particularly at night. I flushed the other night at kept strict to > the procedure and protocol. Was fine during flush, got some crud out. But my > large stone (11mm a few years ago) I'm sure is still there. Seems no matter what > I eat these days prompts an attack to a greater or lesser degree. > > Day after flush, symtoms returned almost all day... but that's > understandablle since I probably ate something I should not have. > > What's the aggressive thing to do at this point to begin seeing some results > to allieve my discomfort which, so far, is marginally tolerable but getting > worse with time... I can tell? > > Right now there's tightness in my gut... but I'm drinking coffee... so. > > Thanks everyone and I'll wait for your advises. Hoping to avoid surgery. > Obviously, starting a regime of vitamins (A-F) can't begin today, etc., but > perhaps there's some other things I can do. I have a well-equipped Wholefoods > nearby, so... > > Why won't modern medicine lipo-crush these stones for us so we can pass > them????...or at least get out stones out and leave the GB??? Yes, I now the > sentiments here about the medical community. > > Regards, > > Fran > > ************************************** > See what's new at > http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Thanks, again, ... I think I'll do what you say. Will try to have a salad tonite, tho. I haven't eaten all day. Just had some organic apple juice. GB acted up again afer the juice, but is settling down now. This is going to be a haul Might schedule an ultrasound this week... just to see what going on. I can begin to see why people start thinking about surgery at certain stages of teir GB problems. This has been really annoying discomfort for me the last two months. Hope others will reply to my messages as well as yourself.... that's what support is about. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Thanks, Amber. Yes, I remember the A-F vitamins. I'll look for it in my local Whole Foods store and other places. Thanks. Fran ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 For starters, I would suggest you stop drinking coffee if it's making you feel bad. It's like asking why you have a headache as you pound a nail into your forehead. Also, take a look at what you eat. Are you avoiding saturated fats? Are you eating frutis and vegeatbles? --- franniboy@... wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > Hope this message gets through since to propagate a > message I usually spin > off someone else's gallstones e-mail. > > Over the past month or two, my GB symtoms have > worsened and I'm wondering how > I can stem this problem and get it under control > promptly. Been a member of > this group for years, get and read most e-mails (so > I'm a little up to date). > > These attacks come in " swells " lasting about 15 to > 30 minutes, usually in > morning but particularly at night. I flushed the > other night at kept strict to > the procedure and protocol. Was fine during flush, > got some crud out. But my > large stone (11mm a few years ago) I'm sure is still > there. Seems no matter what > I eat these days prompts an attack to a greater or > lesser degree. > > Day after flush, symtoms returned almost all day... > but that's > understandablle since I probably ate something I > should not have. > > What's the aggressive thing to do at this point to > begin seeing some results > to allieve my discomfort which, so far, is > marginally tolerable but getting > worse with time... I can tell? > > Right now there's tightness in my gut... but I'm > drinking coffee... so. > > Thanks everyone and I'll wait for your advises. > Hoping to avoid surgery. > Obviously, starting a regime of vitamins (A-F) can't > begin today, etc., but > perhaps there's some other things I can do. I have a > well-equipped Wholefoods > nearby, so... > > Why won't modern medicine lipo-crush these stones > for us so we can pass > them????...or at least get out stones out and leave > the GB??? Yes, I now the > sentiments here about the medical community. > > Regards, > > Fran > > > ************************************** > See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=summer+activities+for+kids & cs=bz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 When I get an attack, it goes on for a few hours, then goes away, unless I have a stone realy lodged like happened to me only twice, then I'm never really feeling myself until after a few days. I'm not a doctor by any means, but if I were you, I would fast and drink only water until you start feeling better, then if you're really hungry have only a basic salad or maybe a wheat cracker. In other words, stop putting anything into your system until it starts to go away, then slowly reintroduce easily digestible things that are good for you. I've also put a hot water bottle over where my gallbladeer is and that relieves the pain. i've tried walking too and that definitely helps. I suppose the movement helps the stones to move. Carbs shouldn't affect you. It's the protein that does the most damage when you're feeling bad, but just stop ingesting anything and try to go out and take a walk. Good luck. I know how it feels. --- franniboy@... wrote: > Thanks . I guess coffee will have to go as I'm > feeling really bad > lately. Diet pretty good but probably too much > pasta/ bread/ carbs than I need. > Vegetables and fruits as much as possible. > > Is it uncommon to feel GB lousy most of the day and > then a little worse at > different times of the day? > > Thanks so much, everyone who's replied so far. > > Fran > > > > ************************************** See what's > new at http://www.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Autos. http://autos./index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Since you asked for others to respond, I'll jump in here. I've posted this before but will repeat it in case you missed it. Dr. Bruce West reported of a doctor who stopped doing 95% of his gallbladder surgeries when he put his patients on A-F Betafood from Standard Process Labs. I continue to take it daily and, even though my ultrasounds show " immunerable stones " I am doing fine. This product should be available at health food stores or by calling 1-800-231-8063. It certainly can't hurt to try it. Amber I can begin to see why people start thinking about surgery at certain stages of teir GB problems. This has been really annoying discomfort for me the last two months. Hope others will reply to my messages as well as yourself.... that's what support is about. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Super. I took the full dose in the beginning but just take one twice a day now, kind of maintenance. Amber Thanks, Amber. Yes, I remember the A-F vitamins. I'll look for it in my local Whole Foods store and other places. Thanks. Fran . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Dear CC: Speaking of grammar, were you saying " afterward " or " afterword " in your last sentence? In my case, grammar doesn't matter as long as the advise makes sense. We are not here to show-off our skills in writing, but we're only here to help others. Jess CC <cobchc@...> wrote: I would ignore the advice of Jess...I usually ignore posts that are not gramatically correct...but in this case advising someone to drink lots of water after eating is just bad advice. Water dilutes the digestive juices making it less likely that you will fully digest your food. You should drink lots of water....but drink it one half hour before eating....drink minimally while eating and hold off for several hours afterword. > Hi Everyone: > > Hope this message gets through since to propagate a message I usually spin > off someone else's gallstones e-mail. > > Over the past month or two, my GB symtoms have worsened and I'm wondering how > I can stem this problem and get it under control promptly. Been a member of > this group for years, get and read most e-mails (so I'm a little up to date). > > These attacks come in " swells " lasting about 15 to 30 minutes, usually in > morning but particularly at night. I flushed the other night at kept strict to > the procedure and protocol. Was fine during flush, got some crud out. But my > large stone (11mm a few years ago) I'm sure is still there. Seems no matter what > I eat these days prompts an attack to a greater or lesser degree. > > Day after flush, symtoms returned almost all day... but that's > understandablle since I probably ate something I should not have. > > What's the aggressive thing to do at this point to begin seeing some results > to allieve my discomfort which, so far, is marginally tolerable but getting > worse with time... I can tell? > > Right now there's tightness in my gut... but I'm drinking coffee... so. > > Thanks everyone and I'll wait for your advises. Hoping to avoid surgery. > Obviously, starting a regime of vitamins (A-F) can't begin today, etc., but > perhaps there's some other things I can do. I have a well-equipped Wholefoods > nearby, so... > > Why won't modern medicine lipo-crush these stones for us so we can pass > them????...or at least get out stones out and leave the GB??? Yes, I now the > sentiments here about the medical community. > > Regards, > > Fran > > ************************************** > See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Let us know how you're doing. Hope you feel better. --- franniboy@... wrote: > Thanks, again, ... I think I'll do what you > say. Will try to have a > salad tonite, tho. I haven't eaten all day. Just had > some organic apple juice. GB > acted up again afer the juice, but is settling down > now. This is going to be > a haul Might schedule an ultrasound this week... > just to see what going on. > > I can begin to see why people start thinking about > surgery at certain stages > of teir GB problems. This has been really annoying > discomfort for me the last > two months. > > Hope others will reply to my messages as well as > yourself.... that's what > support is about. > > > ************************************** > See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness./webhosting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 You won't find Standard Process in a health food store, but any naturopath should be able to get it for you. It is a practitioner only company. -D ----- Original Message ----- From: franniboy@...<mailto:franniboy@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 4:01 PM Subject: Re: Re: GB symptoms worsening Thanks, Amber. Yes, I remember the A-F vitamins. I'll look for it in my local Whole Foods store and other places. Thanks. Fran ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Hi again, Amber. What precise are? A-F Betafood vitamins. What are they supposed to do? Are there others in the newsgroup who have testimony to these? I'm wondering what stage I'm in with these stones/condition of my GB and why recently the discomfort has escalated AND if I'm at a point where I can still salvage/save my GB. Didn't have anything to eat yesterday except water and organic apple juice, except my wife and I went out last night and I had a salad, bread and, yes, a couple of drinks. I know the drinks will irritate the condition. In the middle of the night I a had a few attacks, two pretty severe. Duration of the sever attacks was about 15-20 minutes. Mild attacks, in general, are short in duration and I drink either water or sparkling mineral water to help ease them. Last night I had to take two mild tranquilizers and finally Epsom salts with water to finally get to sleep. This morning, no coffee... just water and no attacks yet, although upon waking I felt a little something coming on and it passed. My plan is to do as Bob said: to fast for long as possible, do some walking exercises and only eat foods that won't irritate the condition. I'll do this over the course of a week and then attempt another flush. In the interim, my wife wants me to at least see a doctor (we all know what he'll say) to make sure that nothing else is going on down there like pancreatitis (spell???) or something. I'm pretty sure it's the GB and stone, though, as I'm quite more in tune with my body than my routine and eating habits (both are slowly coming up to paar, though). I'll get another ultrasound and some blood work before committing to and surgery and will check with a few people I know who have had their gall bladders out about their experience and the lapro procdure/recovery. My aim, though, is to save the GB. IS there any place in the world that will lipotrip these stone for me and, if outside the US, how might one make those arrangements? I have good insurance, so... I could possible go somewhere for that procedure. I feel that after being crushed or " pulverized " as they do with kidney stone... a few flushes should complete the process and get me on the road to GB rejuvenation. Thanks and awaiting more feedback. -Fran ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 In a message dated 9/16/2007 12:05:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lschoenrank@... writes: > I wish the medical profession would consider finding ways to > break up the stones instead of removing the gallbladder. > Indeed, and thanks for yours. Yes, I have done Ibu for pain and it does help, but I haven't used it recently. Guess my GB's inflammed too... Fran ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 My answer may not be popular, but here goes: Have you tried Ibuprofen? Let me explain why I said that. During the summer of 2006 I was away visiting my in-laws when I had a dreadful gallbladder attack and ended up in the hospital for 6 days on morphine. (Small local hospital doesn't do surgery.) When I had to leave to travel home, they gave me a last shot of morphine and a prescription for Tylenol 3's and privately told me that if this wasn't sufficient pain relief I could suppliment with Ibuprofen (Advil). What I discovered over the course of the two-day car trip home was that the Tylenol 3's didn't help much at all, but the Ibuprofen worked VERY well! I guess because it's an anti-inflammatory. They had already told me that my pain was from an inflamed gallbladder and had me on antibiotics. They also told me that my gallbladder was full of stones and sludge and I should get it removed when I got home. My husband heard one doctor mention " golf-ball sized " . Well, I didn't/don't want to get my gallbladder removed, and in the last year it's given me very little trouble. The stones are still there, because I had another ultrasound and they tell me that one of the stones is 4.1 centimeters across - that's about 1.6 inches!! That must be the one the doctor in the hospital mentioned. Obviously, I can't pass a stone that big. But I've had pain only a few times, and each time it's been completely - and quickly - relieved with Ibuprofen and lying on my side for awhile. I wish the medical profession would consider finding ways to break up the stones instead of removing the gallbladder. Sorry for the long post. Laurel > > Hi Everyone: > > Hope this message gets through since to propagate a message I usually spin > off someone else's gallstones e-mail. > > Over the past month or two, my GB symtoms have worsened and I'm wondering how > I can stem this problem and get it under control promptly. Been a member of > this group for years, get and read most e-mails (so I'm a little up to date). > > These attacks come in " swells " lasting about 15 to 30 minutes, usually in > morning but particularly at night. I flushed the other night at kept strict to > the procedure and protocol. Was fine during flush, got some crud out. But my > large stone (11mm a few years ago) I'm sure is still there. Seems no matter what > I eat these days prompts an attack to a greater or lesser degree. > > Day after flush, symtoms returned almost all day... but that's > understandablle since I probably ate something I should not have. > > What's the aggressive thing to do at this point to begin seeing some results > to allieve my discomfort which, so far, is marginally tolerable but getting > worse with time... I can tell? > > Right now there's tightness in my gut... but I'm drinking coffee... so. > > Thanks everyone and I'll wait for your advises. Hoping to avoid surgery. > Obviously, starting a regime of vitamins (A-F) can't begin today, etc., but > perhaps there's some other things I can do. I have a well-equipped Wholefoods > nearby, so... > > Why won't modern medicine lipo-crush these stones for us so we can pass > them????...or at least get out stones out and leave the GB??? Yes, I now the > sentiments here about the medical community. > > Regards, > > Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 I was told the same thing and advised, also privately, to take four motrin in case of an oncoming attack. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But the reason they take you aside and tell you this is because anti-inflammatories are EXTREMELY bad for you, especially if you start to take them on a regular basis. Be very careful of that. --- Laurel <lschoenrank@...> wrote: > My answer may not be popular, but here goes: Have > you tried > Ibuprofen? > > Let me explain why I said that. During the summer of > 2006 I was > away visiting my in-laws when I had a dreadful > gallbladder attack > and ended up in the hospital for 6 days on morphine. > (Small local > hospital doesn't do surgery.) When I had to leave to > travel home, > they gave me a last shot of morphine and a > prescription for > Tylenol 3's and privately told me that if this > wasn't sufficient pain > relief I could suppliment with Ibuprofen (Advil). > What I discovered > over the course of the two-day car trip home was > that the > Tylenol 3's didn't help much at all, but the > Ibuprofen worked VERY > well! I guess because it's an anti-inflammatory. > > They had already told me that my pain was from an > inflamed > gallbladder and had me on antibiotics. They also > told me that > my gallbladder was full of stones and sludge and I > should get > it removed when I got home. My husband heard one > doctor > mention " golf-ball sized " . > > Well, I didn't/don't want to get my gallbladder > removed, and > in the last year it's given me very little trouble. > The stones are > still there, because I had another ultrasound and > they tell me > that one of the stones is 4.1 centimeters across - > that's about > 1.6 inches!! That must be the one the doctor in the > hospital > mentioned. Obviously, I can't pass a stone that big. > But I've > had pain only a few times, and each time it's been > completely > - and quickly - relieved with Ibuprofen and lying on > my side > for awhile. > > I wish the medical profession would consider finding > ways to > break up the stones instead of removing the > gallbladder. > > Sorry for the long post. > > Laurel > > > > > > Hi Everyone: > > > > Hope this message gets through since to propagate > a message I usually spin > > off someone else's gallstones e-mail. > > > > Over the past month or two, my GB symtoms have > worsened and I'm wondering how > > I can stem this problem and get it under control > promptly. Been a member of > > this group for years, get and read most e-mails > (so I'm a little up to date). > > > > These attacks come in " swells " lasting about 15 to > 30 minutes, usually in > > morning but particularly at night. I flushed the > other night at kept strict to > > the procedure and protocol. Was fine during flush, > got some crud out. But my > > large stone (11mm a few years ago) I'm sure is > still there. Seems no matter what > > I eat these days prompts an attack to a greater or > lesser degree. > > > > Day after flush, symtoms returned almost all > day... but that's > > understandablle since I probably ate something I > should not have. > > > > What's the aggressive thing to do at this point to > begin seeing some results > > to allieve my discomfort which, so far, is > marginally tolerable but getting > > worse with time... I can tell? > > > > Right now there's tightness in my gut... but I'm > drinking coffee... so. > > > > Thanks everyone and I'll wait for your advises. > Hoping to avoid surgery. > > Obviously, starting a regime of vitamins (A-F) > can't begin today, etc., but > > perhaps there's some other things I can do. I have > a well-equipped Wholefoods > > nearby, so... > > > > Why won't modern medicine lipo-crush these stones > for us so we can pass > > them????...or at least get out stones out and > leave the GB??? Yes, I now the > > sentiments here about the medical community. > > > > Regards, > > > > Fran > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=summer+activities+for+kids & cs=bz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 If you're trying to take care of yourself and eat healthy things and then have alcoholic beverages in the middle of all this, you're just asking for severe and long term problems. If you can't discipline yourself and stop drinking or eating things that are not good for you, especially during the time you are experiencing symptoms, you will never get healthy. OF COURSE you had an attack. Alcohol is terrible for the liver and the liver naturally affects your gallblader because they are so closely related. You are making a big mistake constantly poisoning yourself during the time of your attacks and you will regret it very soon when your liver starts malfunctioning as well. Eating healthy for a week will do absolutely nothing for you. You must go a minimum of seven to eight weeks of absolutely healthy food (read the Liver Cleansing Diet by Dr. Cabot) without liquor or caffeine so your liver can bounce back. Pills aren't going to magically take the problem away. You MUST change your eating lifestyle for good and after the eight weeks, begin introducing the other things you enjoy but ALWAYS in moderation. If you don't, you will be condemned to feeling pain for the rest of your life and never get better, affecting your liver, pancreas and and your entire digestive system until there's no hope left. Have I scared you enough? Stop poisoning yourself! There is no magic cure. Take care of your body. It's the only one you've got. --- franniboy@... wrote: > Hi again, Amber. > > What precise are? A-F Betafood vitamins. What are > they supposed to do? Are > there others in the newsgroup who have testimony to > these? > > I'm wondering what stage I'm in with these > stones/condition of my GB and why > recently the discomfort has escalated AND if I'm at > a point where I can still > salvage/save my GB. > > Didn't have anything to eat yesterday except water > and organic apple juice, > except my wife and I went out last night and I had a > salad, bread and, yes, a > couple of drinks. I know the drinks will irritate > the condition. In the middle > of the night I a had a few attacks, two pretty > severe. Duration of the sever > attacks > was about 15-20 minutes. Mild attacks, in general, > are short in duration and > I drink either water or sparkling mineral water to > help ease them. Last night > I had to take two mild tranquilizers and finally > Epsom salts with water to > finally get to sleep. This morning, no coffee... > just water and no attacks yet, > although upon waking I felt a little something > coming on and it passed. > > My plan is to do as Bob said: to fast for long as > possible, do some walking > exercises and only eat foods that won't irritate the > condition. I'll do this > over the course of a week and then attempt another > flush. In the interim, my > wife wants me to at least see a doctor (we all know > what he'll say) to make sure > that nothing else is going on down there like > pancreatitis (spell???) or > something. I'm pretty sure it's the GB and stone, > though, as I'm quite more in tune > with my body than my routine and eating habits (both > are slowly coming up to > paar, though). I'll get another ultrasound and some > blood work before > committing to and surgery and will check with a few > people I know who have had their > gall bladders out about their experience and the > lapro procdure/recovery. > > My aim, though, is to save the GB. IS there any > place in the world that will > lipotrip these stone for me and, if outside the US, > how might one make those > arrangements? I have good insurance, so... I could > possible go somewhere for > that procedure. I feel that after being crushed or > " pulverized " as they do with > kidney stone... a few flushes should complete the > process and get me on the > road to GB rejuvenation. > > Thanks and awaiting more feedback. > > -Fran > > > ************************************** > See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 There is a way to break up the stones. It's called gold coin grass. Barb http://easternhealingarts.com/Articles/ConquerChron.html If that link doesn't work, try going through the back door. Go here first, then to articles and then to " conquering chronic " http://easternhealingarts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <franniboy@...> <gallstones > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: Re: Re: GB symptoms worsening > In a message dated 9/16/2007 12:05:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > lschoenrank@... writes: > >> I wish the medical profession would consider finding ways to >> break up the stones instead of removing the gallbladder. >> > > Indeed, and thanks for yours. Yes, I have done Ibu for pain and it does > help, > but I haven't used it recently. Guess my GB's inflammed too... > > Fran > > > ************************************** > See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 , did you know, when and how you're going to die was already determined BEFORE you were even born? My neighbor lived to be 92 years old. His very first visit to a doctor was at the ripe old age of 85. Guess what he did? He smoked like a trooper and he drank every single day. IMO, most of our health issues, have far more to do with emotional and financial trauma (stress) than food and alcohol. Don't get me wrong, food and alcohol most definitely can be toxic to the liver, BUT, I also think if we did not have the termendous STRESS factor to boot, we would be much happier and therefore, much healthier. Alcohol has been consumed for thousands of years. Why would it suddenly be more " toxic? " I would suggest it's because of our extremely high STRESS levels of today. Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: " Seoane " <robert_seoane@...> <gallstones > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 12:28 PM Subject: Re: Re: GB symptoms worsening > > If you're trying to take care of yourself and eat > healthy things and then have alcoholic beverages in > the middle of all this, you're just asking for severe > and long term problems. If you can't discipline > yourself and stop drinking or eating things that are > not good for you, especially during the time you are > experiencing symptoms, you will never get healthy. OF > COURSE you had an attack. Alcohol is terrible for the > liver and the liver naturally affects your gallblader > because they are so closely related. You are making a > big mistake constantly poisoning yourself during the > time of your attacks and you will regret it very soon > when your liver starts malfunctioning as well. > > Eating healthy for a week will do absolutely nothing > for you. You must go a minimum of seven to eight weeks > of absolutely healthy food (read the Liver Cleansing > Diet by Dr. Cabot) without liquor or caffeine > so your liver can bounce back. Pills aren't going to > magically take the problem away. You MUST change your > eating lifestyle for good and after the eight weeks, > begin introducing the other things you enjoy but > ALWAYS in moderation. If you don't, you will be > condemned to feeling pain for the rest of your life > and never get better, affecting your liver, pancreas > and and your entire digestive system until there's no > hope left. > > Have I scared you enough? Stop poisoning yourself! > There is no magic cure. Take care of your body. It's > the only one you've got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Alcohol has always been toxic. Just because its been consumed for thousands of years and you have no record of alcohlism deaths doesnt mean they didnt die of that back then. Remember, back in the Middle Ages, people died in their 40s. Thanks to medical advances, people are now living way past their 70s. Is that taken into account when you say that people already have their death date planned even before they're born? How about fatal accidents and murders? How is that taken into account? I'm sorry, but I think we have a little more say in when we die by the way we take care of ourselves than you give us credit for. If I'm supposed to die when Im 92, I suppose I can have a cup of arsenic every morning for breakfast then. --- Barbara Leppky <bleppky@...> wrote: > , did you know, when and how you're going to > die was already > determined BEFORE you were even born? My neighbor > lived to be 92 years old. > His very first visit to a doctor was at the ripe old > age of 85. Guess what > he did? He smoked like a trooper and he drank every > single day. IMO, most > of our health issues, have far more to do with > emotional and financial > trauma (stress) than food and alcohol. Don't get me > wrong, food and alcohol > most definitely can be toxic to the liver, BUT, I > also think if we did not > have the termendous STRESS factor to boot, we would > be much happier and > therefore, much healthier. Alcohol has been > consumed for thousands of > years. Why would it suddenly be more " toxic? " I > would suggest it's because > of our extremely high STRESS levels of today. Barb > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " Seoane " <robert_seoane@...> > <gallstones > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 12:28 PM > Subject: Re: Re: GB symptoms worsening > > > > > > If you're trying to take care of yourself and eat > > healthy things and then have alcoholic beverages > in > > the middle of all this, you're just asking for > severe > > and long term problems. If you can't discipline > > yourself and stop drinking or eating things that > are > > not good for you, especially during the time you > are > > experiencing symptoms, you will never get healthy. > OF > > COURSE you had an attack. Alcohol is terrible for > the > > liver and the liver naturally affects your > gallblader > > because they are so closely related. You are > making a > > big mistake constantly poisoning yourself during > the > > time of your attacks and you will regret it very > soon > > when your liver starts malfunctioning as well. > > > > Eating healthy for a week will do absolutely > nothing > > for you. You must go a minimum of seven to eight > weeks > > of absolutely healthy food (read the Liver > Cleansing > > Diet by Dr. Cabot) without liquor or > caffeine > > so your liver can bounce back. Pills aren't going > to > > magically take the problem away. You MUST change > your > > eating lifestyle for good and after the eight > weeks, > > begin introducing the other things you enjoy but > > ALWAYS in moderation. If you don't, you will be > > condemned to feeling pain for the rest of your > life > > and never get better, affecting your liver, > pancreas > > and and your entire digestive system until there's > no > > hope left. > > > > Have I scared you enough? Stop poisoning yourself! > > There is no magic cure. Take care of your body. > It's > > the only one you've got. > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Autos. http://autos./index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 I beg to differ because I buy it at mine. Amber You won't find Standard Process in a health food store, but any naturopath should be able to get it for you. It is a practitioner only company. -D . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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